Paddy power special for the Arkle - steer clear?

Jayo11780

Ok i think i'll steer clear of this race - I have a feeling the jolly will be over-turned!!
Similar the last 2 years, Cue Card last year and Dunguib the year before the 'festival bankers' turned out not to be the case with PP offering the punters money back if the favourites won and we know what happened then..

I was going to do an accy with SS, HF, LR, SE, Q & Boston Bob @ 83/1 but i reckon SS will be the one to let the side down.

It's still a 42/1 accumulator

Jayo11780

Jayo11780 wrote: »

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I was going to do an accy with SS, HF, LR, SE, Q & Boston Bob @ 83/1 but i reckon SS will be the one to let the side down.

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On OR ings SS is one of the more appealing of those you list
The jockey's comparisons to Moscow Flyer are also noteworthy.

SS isn't the festival banker by any stretch though, that would be BBs for most punters.

Arctic89

Is there anything to stop you going around 10 or 11 different paddy power shops this evening and putting 100 euro in each of them on Al Ferof and getting the 100 back from each individual shop tomorrow if Sprinter wins?

FortuneChip

Arctic89 wrote: »

Is there anything to stop you going around 10 or 11 different paddy power shops this evening and putting 100 euro in each of them on Al Ferof and getting the 100 back from each individual shop tomorrow if Sprinter wins?

Yeah, I don't have a single €100 stash, let alone 10 or 11!!!

Oscars Well.

Did one of the major bookies not offer money back if you finish second to Big Bucks last year? Look how well that turned out for them. Big Bucks won and Grand Crus second!

hucklebuck

Boyle refund up to €200 if your horse is second, that is where my Sprinter Sacre and Hurricane Fly money has gone

squirrelohara

whats paddys thinking behind this offer.
i was first thinkn that he wants everyone to stay away from sprinter because paddy thinks he will def win.
now im thinkn that paddys thinks he will lose and he will clean up because loads of people have backed outsiders and only one will win.

im confused

razor425

squirrelohara wrote: »

whats paddys thinking behind this offer.
i was first thinkn that he wants everyone to stay away from sprinter because paddy thinks he will def win.
now im thinkn that paddys thinks he will lose and he will clean up because loads of people have backed outsiders and only one will win.

im confused

It doesn't matter who wins, the aim is to get punters into the shops early on the first day. This way they will probably bet with Paddy for the week and no matter what the result of the Arkle Paddy will have made his money back.

squirrelohara

razor425 wrote: »

It doesn't matter who wins, the aim is to get punters into the shops early on the first day. This way they will probably bet with Paddy for the week and no matter what the result of the Arkle Paddy will have made his money back.

Good Thinking. Not much of a business head on me. Should attend some lectures maybe....not this week though:D

Ice87

squirrelohara wrote: »

whats paddys thinking behind this offer.
i was first thinkn that he wants everyone to stay away from sprinter because paddy thinks he will def win.
now im thinkn that paddys thinks he will lose and he will clean up because loads of people have backed outsiders and only one will win.

im confused

Paddy thinks Menorah will bring Sprinter down at the first.

squirrelohara

Ice87 wrote: »

Paddy thinks Menorah will bring Sprinter down at the first.

haha i hope not for my pockets sake

Getoffmytrain

As far as i know, PP are enhancing Ruby's mounts during Cheltenham as well.
I can't see any reason to steer clear of the offer.

Alpish

Sorry for the noob question but can someone explain to me how the free bet on paddypower works?

I just registered and it says I'm entitled to one.

Getoffmytrain

You put the bet on as normal, if it wins you only get the winnings and not the stake back. i.e. 1 euro free bet at 5/1 returns 5 euros.

razor425

Getoffmytrain wrote: »

You put the bet on as normal, if it wins you only get the winnings and not the stake back. i.e. 1 euro free bet at 5/1 returns 5 euros.

I'm pretty sure this is not the case. I think this is probably a free bet offer for joining. With regards the free bet on the Arkle however, this is how it works.

Alpish

razor425 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure this is not the case. I think this is probably a free bet offer for joining. With regards the free bet on the Arkle however, this is how it works.

Sorry should have cleared that up it's a free bet for joining?

shawnee

Jayo11780 wrote: »

Ok i think i'll steer clear of this race - I have a feeling the jolly will be over-turned!!
Similar the last 2 years, Cue Card last year and Dunguib the year before the 'festival bankers' turned out not to be the case with PP offering the punters money back if the favourites won and we know what happened then..

I was going to do an accy with SS, HF, LR, SE, Q & Boston Bob @ 83/1 but i reckon SS will be the one to let the side down.

It's still a 42/1 accumulator

A lot of fences to be jumped by a lot horses for 42/1 , and it's in Cheltenham ,. bad value ... even if they won :D

shawnee

Arctic89 wrote: »

Is there anything to stop you going around 10 or 11 different paddy power shops this evening and putting 100 euro in each of them on Al Ferof and getting the 100 back from each individual shop tomorrow if Sprinter wins?

Good way of getting exercise alright !!! sounds like they're giving away something but it's only your own back and then again if something else should win , you'll lose the whole fecking lot ... special my ho..:D

mr.jingle

I hope this is right i've been looking at this all day:

Anyone backing in the Arkle has to go this way and do this with Paddy power. Money back if Sprinter Sacre wins so here's a bet to nothing. Al Ferof €80 win @ 11/4- win €300, Cue Card €38 win @ 7/1 - win €304, Menorah €30 win @ 9/1 wins €300, Blackstairmountain €18 win @16/1 win €306, Foildubh €4 win @ 80/1 win €324. Bets by them stakes costing you €170 in total and if Sprinter Sacre wins you get that money all back and if any of the others win guaranteed profit of €130

Am I right in saying this?

mdwexford

mr.jingle wrote: »

I hope this is right i've been looking at this all day:

Anyone backing in the Arkle has to go this way and do this with Paddy power. Money back if Sprinter Sacre wins so here's a bet to nothing. Al Ferof €80 win @ 11/4- win €300, Cue Card €38 win @ 7/1 - win €304, Menorah €30 win @ 9/1 wins €300, Blackstairmountain €18 win @16/1 win €306, Foildubh €4 win @ 80/1 win €324. Bets by them stakes costing you €170 in total and if Sprinter Sacre wins you get that money all back and if any of the others win guaranteed profit of €130

Am I right in saying this?

Looks spot on to me.

nice1franko

Ignoring the 100 limit per customer restriction and assuming that you either:

1)
a) leg it around a load of shops
b) have multiple accounts
c) have a rake of people ready to place bets at the same time (barney curley style)

AND

2) none of the odds don't change in between the time you get all the bets on

AND 

3) you don't otherwise get rumbled...

...it's a good thing

squirrelohara

nice1franko wrote: »

Ignoring the 100 limit per customer restriction and assuming that you either:

1)
a) leg it around a load of shops
b) have multiple accounts
c) have a rake of people ready to place bets at the same time (barney curley style)

AND

2) none of the odds don't change in between the time you get all the bets on

AND 

3) you don't otherwise get rumbled...

...it's a good thing

sounds like a lot of effort. it would be easier to just back the winner. spriter sacre

mdwexford

nice1franko wrote: »

Ignoring the 100 limit per customer restriction and assuming that you either:

1)
a) leg it around a load of shops
b) have multiple accounts
c) have a rake of people ready to place bets at the same time (barney curley style)

AND

2) none of the odds don't change in between the time you get all the bets on

AND 

3) you don't otherwise get rumbled...

...it's a good thing

Two shops, no accounts would be fine.

Three horses in one shop, two in the other.

squirrelohara

mdwexford wrote: »

Two shops, no accounts would be fine.

Three horses in one shop, two in the other.

You could actually just do it in one shop. It will be so mobbed they wont remember who is putting on what. There will also be 4 or 5 people behind the counter.

Juwwi

mr.jingle wrote: »

I hope this is right i've been looking at this all day:

Anyone backing in the Arkle has to go this way and do this with Paddy power. Money back if Sprinter Sacre wins so here's a bet to nothing. Al Ferof €80 win @ 11/4- win €300, Cue Card €38 win @ 7/1 - win €304, Menorah €30 win @ 9/1 wins €300, Blackstairmountain €18 win @16/1 win €306, Foildubh €4 win @ 80/1 win €324. Bets by them stakes costing you €170 in total and if Sprinter Sacre wins you get that money all back and if any of the others win guaranteed profit of €130

Am I right in saying this?

You could always then back SS in Boyles on line for €130.

That way if SS wins you get back 130 at 4/5 plus 170 from PP
if SS is second money back from Boyles and win from PP
SS outside top two break even.

hucklebuck

I am sure the T&C only says €100 per customer and not one horse up to €100 per customer.

One betslip may well do it.

nice1franko

mdwexford wrote: »

Two shops, no accounts would be fine.

Three horses in one shop, two in the other.

squirrelohara wrote: »

You could actually just do it in one shop. It will be so mobbed they wont remember who is putting on what. There will also be 4 or 5 people behind the counter.

Yeah, both true. Good work Mr. Jingle. Might just do that myself!

wolfyboy555

Can you do this online if your 5 singles come under 100e put together? I've my bet slip filled ready to pull the trigger. Total bets comes to 99.75

Juwwi

wolfyboy555 wrote: »

Can you do this online if your 5 singles come under 100e put together? I've my bet slip filled ready to pull the trigger. Total bets comes to 99.75[/QUOTE

No dont do that that they usually have in terms and conditions if someone abuses the offer they have thave the right to withdraw it.

wolfyboy555

robbie1977 wrote: »

wolfyboy555 wrote: »

Can you do this online if your 5 singles come under 100e put together? I've my bet slip filled ready to pull the trigger. Total bets comes to 99.75[/QUOTE

No dont do that that they usually have in terms and conditions if someone abuses the offer they have thave the right to withdraw it.

So up to the shop then? There is only one near me? Would they accept 5 singles on 5 horses in same race?

Juwwi

wolfyboy555 wrote: »

So up to the shop then? There is only one near me? Would they accept 5 singles on 5 horses in same race?

Yes just do them on different slips.

I just looked on their site at the terms and conditions and it does'nt mention it this time but it usually does.

hucklebuck

wolfyboy555 wrote: »

Can you do this online if your 5 singles come under 100e put together? I've my bet slip filled ready to pull the trigger. Total bets comes to 99.75

Ask one of their customer service people and print screen the chat incase there is a problem.

Smart ploy by Powers, get people not to back Sprinter and by refunding everything else they only lose the few bets they took on Sprinter.

You could back them all with Powers and back Sprinter for €100 or more with Boyles, if Sprinter is second you get your €100 or more back and your winnings from Powers.

If Sprinter wins you get €180 off Boyles and your €100 back from Powers.

FortuneChip

"won't refund a faller"

I'm 95% sure I'm wrong here, just thinking of an angle. Apologies!

Juwwi

FortuneChip wrote: »

They won't refund a faller. 2 miles at the Arkle Pace over fences. Not to mention Menorah is one of them!

Where did you see that?

squirrelohara

FortuneChip wrote: »

They won't refund a faller. 2 miles at the Arkle Pace over fences. Not to mention Menorah is one of them!

That would be very harsh

FortuneChip

FortuneChip wrote: »

They won't refund a faller. 2 miles at the Arkle Pace over fences. Not to mention Menorah is one of them!

So if SS wins and the rest all fall no refunds in PP?

Howjoe1

RoverJames wrote: »

So if SS wins and the rest all fall no refunds in PP?

no. a faller is a loser and money back

FortuneChip

Edited, I came off rather matter-of-factly, I haven't heard/read that anywhere!

Time to leave the room...

squirrelohara

FortuneChip wrote: »

Edited, I came off rather matter-of-factly, I haven't heard/read that anywhere!

Time to leave the room...

haha gas man....making everyone poo themselves for a moment:D

FortuneChip

squirrelohara wrote: »

haha gas man....making everyone poo themselves for a moment:D

Kinda sheds some light on how people view the special though.
It's far better than Cue Card and Dunguib (of course Hindsight is fully operational here)

Juwwi

wolfyboy555 wrote: »

Can you do this online if your 5 singles come under 100e put together? I've my bet slip filled ready to pull the trigger. Total bets comes to 99.75

Originally Posted by robbie1977
No dont do that that they usually have in terms and conditions if someone abuses the offer they have thave the right to withdraw it.[/QUOTE]

wolfyboy555 wrote: »

So up to the shop then? There is only one near me? Would they accept 5 singles on 5 horses in same race?

robbie1977 wrote: »

Yes just do them on different slips.

I just looked on their site at the terms and conditions and it does'nt mention it this time but it usually does.

Max refund: e100/£100 per customer.
Applies to bets placed on the Arkle Chase from 8am 28th February.
Applies to win (and win part of each way) single bets only placed before the start of the race.
The customer's selection must run in the Arkle Chase for the refund to apply.
Does not apply to extra markets.
Does not apply to Tote bets.
Paddy Power reserves the right to refuse refunds if a customer backs multiple runners in this race.


That new term and condition has been added in the last hour.

I wonder have people been backing all the other runners or do PP
have people reading forums.

paulisagayboy

I did this- all on one slip in the shop- as I placed the bet- I directly said to the girl- if ss wins, will I get 100 back and she said yes- so I will argue my case if they dont give it to me and say that they changed the terms and c's after I placed my bet! Doubt they will refuse but in future, I doubt they will leave it out of t+c's

wolfyboy555

Does anyone know if you can cash a betslip in a different paddypower shop? Just i made this in hometown but wont be home tomorrow but will have access to another shop elsewhere!

wolfyboy555

paulisagayboy wrote: »

I did this- all on one slip in the shop- as I placed the bet- I directly said to the girl- if ss wins, will I get 100 back and she said yes- so I will argue my case if they dont give it to me and say that they changed the terms and c's after I placed my bet! Doubt they will refuse but in future, I doubt they will leave it out of t+c's

Lets hope they pay out

Juwwi

wolfyboy555 wrote: »

Does anyone know if you can cash a betslip in a different paddypower shop? Just i made this in hometown but wont be home tomorrow but will have access to another shop elsewhere!

Yea no problem collecting that at all in a different PP shop.

Juwwi

wolfboy be carefull now backing all 5 in the 1 shop Im sure staff
will be dont to watch out for this now.

they must be getting hammered with it being only a 6 horse race now.

wolfyboy555

robbie1977 wrote: »

Yea no problem collecting that at all in a different PP shop.

Cheers

JONJO THE MISER

Jayo11780 wrote: »

Ok i think i'll steer clear of this race - I have a feeling the jolly will be over-turned!!
Similar the last 2 years, Cue Card last year and Dunguib the year before the 'festival bankers' turned out not to be the case with PP offering the punters money back if the favourites won and we know what happened then..

Law of averages he will win so, going to go heavy on Sprinter Scare.

smndly

mr.jingle wrote: »

I hope this is right i've been looking at this all day:

Anyone backing in the Arkle has to go this way and do this with Paddy power. Money back if Sprinter Sacre wins so here's a bet to nothing. Al Ferof €80 win @ 11/4- win €300, Cue Card €38 win @ 7/1 - win €304, Menorah €30 win @ 9/1 wins €300, Blackstairmountain €18 win @16/1 win €306, Foildubh €4 win @ 80/1 win €324. Bets by them stakes costing you €170 in total and if Sprinter Sacre wins you get that money all back and if any of the others win guaranteed profit of €130

Am I right in saying this?

Might try this out tomorrow. Just one question though, why don't you back al Ferof for €100 euro and then work back from there? It would increase the profit a bit.

paulisagayboy

smndly wrote: »

mr.jingle wrote: »

I hope this is right i've been looking at this all day:

Anyone backing in the Arkle has to go this way and do this with Paddy power. Money back if Sprinter Sacre wins so here's a bet to nothing. Al Ferof €80 win @ 11/4- win €300, Cue Card €38 win @ 7/1 - win €304, Menorah €30 win @ 9/1 wins €300, Blackstairmountain €18 win @16/1 win €306, Foildubh €4 win @ 80/1 win €324. Bets by them stakes costing you €170 in total and if Sprinter Sacre wins you get that money all back and if any of the others win guaranteed profit of €130

Am I right in saying this?

Might try this out tomorrow. Just one question though, why don't you back al Ferof for €100 euro and then work back from there? It would increase the profit a bit.

Max refund per customer is 100 so if u put on any more, they could void the bet. But if it's busy and you use more than one slip then I don't see why you couldn't do this if u wanna stake big!

smndly

May as well go for it. i'll bring a few different hats and coats and i'll be grand. Sure if they figure me out after a few bets i can just move onto the next paddy power and so on. :cool: