Team for summer tour

snow mad

Hi

this is my first post and in light of the views on most of the Ireland threads for the 6N I would like to hear what players posters think should be called into the pre new zealand camp and given a chance to earn their seat on the plane this time around

irishbucsfan

Realistically there won't be many changes. In fact I imagine we'll see some changes reversed as BOD, Wallace and POC come back. Also think we'll see minimal changes in the team from test to test.

Honestly I think the only person who has a chance of pushing his way into the team is Donncha Ryan and he will have a tough job.

No lessons will be learned. We'll try to beat them by winning the territory battle even though they couldn't care less about getting involved in a battle for territory battle let alone winning one.

The pack will probably smash em about a bit but I really think we'll have trouble winning a game, let alone the series.

My guess is we'll see a team of something like:

Healy, Best, Ross, DOC, POC, Ferris, O'Brien, Heaslip, Murray, Sexton, Earls, D'Arcy, BOD, Bowe Kearney

Cronin, Court, Ryan, Wallace, Reddan, ROG, McFadden/Fitzgerald

thomond2006

Hard to say right now, we don't who will/will not be fit or in form come the summer.

I suppose there are a few players I'd like to see get gametime, like Sherry (if he delivers on his early promise in a red jersey), Tuohy, O'Mahony, Marshall, Zebo, McFadden etc

I want to see the likes of DOC and D'Arcy really challenged to keep their starting spots, however I don't trust the current management to do that.

MungBean

Yeah I think the main squad picks itself to be honest and there no more big surprises in Irish rugby. Even those tagging along to make up the numbers wont be new caps I'd imagine. Probably see Jennings, TOL/Boss, Cullen will be back same old same old nothing to see here selection I'd say.

Tox56

I would like Tuohy, Cronin, EOM, Zebo, D Kearney, Marshall, McFadden (12), POM to get a go.

Those types of players anyway, who are young but not too inexperienced at provincial level.

Mainly I would love to see things experimented.

GerM

After 9 months, including a WC and a 6N, we have next to no chance in the second and third games if we don't have some level of rotation.

If we were to have the team that started against France in one game, I'd be looking for Reddan, POM, Ryan, McFadden, Fitz, Court, ROG and one or two others all get a start in one of the other two games.

davegrohl48

We need to show some ambition towards the next World cup with the squad for the tour. Would like to see Madigan, Tuohy, Zebo of the uncapped players.
Madigan as the next backup 10 for future, a lock with serious athleticism and a Winger who has great pace. If only one o those worked out for next season it would be a big addition.

Podge_irl

Tuohy is capped, but yes he should definitely tour. I think the Aironi game showed why Zebo probably shouldn't yet though. If there were midweek games I'd be all for bringing him and playing him, but there isn't so the squad places should go to players who could actually step in and play in the tests imo.

Madigan may travel, but short of an injury he's not going to get any gametime (nor do I particularly think he should).

Kidney is going to go all out to win one of these games. I'd bloody love if we could finally do it.

buck65

Mostly Leinster, a few Ulster and a few Munster too, but they don't deserve to go. Kidney is **** too btw.
/thread.

CatFromHue

Lads this is just a 3 test series against the All Blacks. There is no mid week games. While there has to be some rotation I wouldn't expect any new caps to be honest.

davegrohl48

What I like about having Madigan there would be the option of a quick 10 running the ball. Madigan is even quicker than Sexton (who has a decent break). Keeps opposition guessing.
But ... I wonder is Sexton/Ireland10 under instruction not to break, we don't seem to do it much.

Expectations of no new caps? Probably right, but I think a bad call in the long term.

Teferi

Realistically we can't expect to win the Tour considering we have never even beaten the All Blacks but I would see anything less than 1 win as a failure.

Kidney will target one game in particular to beat them in. If we play with the intensity we did against Aus or the first half of the French game then I think we are in with a chance.

For all his faults Kidney has shown that he is able to get a big game out the lads when he needs it and considering it may be the last time that BOD et al get a chance to do it I really can see them throwing everything they have at the ABs.

dtpc191991

My starting 15 for the first game. This starting 15 would be rotated throughout the series

1. Healey
2. Best (c)
3. Ross
4. Touhy
5. Ryan
6. Ferris
7. SOB
8. Heaslip
9. Murray
10. Sexton
11. D. Kearney
12. Fitzgerald
13. Earls (I think he's earned it)
14. Bowe
15. R.Kearney

snow mad

dan tuohy, nagle, ruddock, mclaughlin, toner, hagan, strauss, holland, henry, zebo, nevin spence, marshall, gilroy, cave, madigan, o'malley, carr, conway d kearney, scott deasy, sean scanlon, o'halloran, barns

all of these players will be looking to break into the senior squad for 2015rwc along with a few more if the trip to new zealand is not the time to start giving some of them a go when is

Leslie91

Assuming POC and BOD are back, here's my 15;

1. healy 2. cronin 3. ross
4. ryan 5. poc
6. ferris 7. sob 8. heaslip
9. murray 10. sexton
11. earls 12. mc fadden 13. bod 14. bowe
15. kearney

16. best 17. court 18. tuohy or mccarthy 19. o'mahony 20. reddan 21. rog 22 d kearney

MungBean

dtpc191991 wrote: »

My starting 15 for the first game. This starting 15 would be rotated throughout the series
13. Earls (I think he's earned it)

And Trimble and Reddan havent ? And no POC or Drico ??

irishbucsfan

Can you imagine facing the all blacks without BOD or POC by choice!?

Otacon

Out of interest, what is the order of the games? And when are they being played?

irishbucsfan

Otacon wrote: »

Out of interest, what is the order of the games? And when are they being played?

I believe we play the All Blacks and then the All Blacks and then we finish up with a test against the All Blacks. All games are in June; 9th in Auckland 16th in Christchurch and 23rd in Waikato

MungBean

Otacon wrote: »

Out of interest, what is the order of the games? And when are they being played?

Sat 9th June Eden Park

Sat 16th June Rugby League Park

Sat 23rd June Waikato Satadium

MungBean

Will the games all be 6/7/8 am starts ?

Fishooks12

15 Kearney
14 Bowe
13 Earls
12 Luke Fitz
11 Trimble
10 Sexton
9 Murray
8 Heaslip
7 SOB
6 Ferris
5 POC
4 D Ryan
3 Ross
2 Strauss
1 Healy

I'd like to see this team, the quality to take the AB's but with an eye on the future

Podge_irl

I'd be very surprised if BOD doesn't start at least two of the tests. He'll be very keen to get another cut at them.

Hype710

If BOD is back we may see a BOD-Earls midfield. Not sure if it would work but I'd like to see D'arcy fazed out and I'm not sure McFadden is the answer at 12. The usuals and hopefully Dom Ryan, Tuohy, Hagan, Madigan, Zebo and Cave to tour.

irishbucsfan

If Warren Garland was our coach Chris Farrell would start at 12!

snow mad

Fishooks12 wrote: »

15 Kearney
14 Bowe
13 Earls
12 Luke Fitz
11 Trimble
10 Sexton
9 Murray
8 Heaslip
7 SOB
6 Ferris
5 POC
4 D Ryan
3 Ross
2 Strauss
1 Healy

+ 1 target a win for 1 test and use the other 2 to have a look at some of the strong prospects for the future

bilston

The front row picks itself. The second row should now be Ryan and O'Connell. The back row is interesting, I think Ferris is nailed in at 6 but 7 and 8 are a bit more debateable. Heaslip may face competition from SOB for the 8 shirt if O'Mahony comes in at O/S. Realistically it's likely to remain Ferris, O'Brien and Heaslip though.

As for scrum half who knows? Murray will probably come back in. There are pros and cons to them all. Sexton is now first choice 10. The midfield is very interesting, I'd like to see BOD and Earls given a run together. Has that ever happened? The back three may remain the same with Fitzgerald putting pressure on Bowe and Trimble.

I'd love to see guys like McAlistair, Sherry, Tuohy, Toner, Ruddock, Madigan, Cave, Zebo and Jones involved too. Some of those guys may travel but aren't likely to see much game time.

Don't we play the Barbarians before the tour? If that's right then there is the opportunity to give some fresher faces a run out.

I honestly think any rebuilding of the Irish team will wait until the Lions Tour in 2013.

Clegg

If BOD is fit then theres no way he won't play. Earls would probably go back to the wing and Trimble to the bench.

I also have a terrible feeling that we'll also see one of D'arcy/DOC starting.

I doubt we'll be seeing too many new players in the 22. We just don't do that unfortunately.

Healy
Best
Ross
POC
Ryan
Ferris
SOB
Heaslip
Murray
Sexton
Earls
Mc Fadden
BOD
Bowe
Kearney

irishbucsfan

I believe the BaaBaas game comes a matter if days after the RDP12 Final.

If that's an All Irish final we could well see basically a Connacht/Ulster/Exiles team out...

Wilkinson, Best, Court, Tuohy, McCarthy, Ferris, O'Connor, Henry, Marshall, Humphries, Trimble, Wallace, Cave, Bowe, Duffy

Kyriacou, McAllister, Caldwell, Muldoon, Stringer, O'Connor, Griffin...

Perhaps???

MungBean

IRELAND 2011 Rugby World Cup Squad: Backs (14) -

Isaac Boss (Terenure College/Leinster)
Tommy Bowe (Ospreys)
Gordon D'Arcy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster)
Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster)
Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Geordan Murphy (Leicester Tigers) <-- Fitz
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)
Brian O'Driscoll (UCD/Leinster) (capt)
Ronan O'Gara (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Eoin Reddan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)
Paddy Wallace (Ballymena/Ulster)

Forwards (16) -

Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster)
Tony Buckley (Sale Sharks) <-- Hagan/Sherry ?
Tom Court (Malone/Ulster)
Sean Cronin (Leinster)
Leo Cullen (Blackrock College/Leinster)
Stephen Ferris (Dungannon/Ulster)
Jerry Flannery (Shannon/Munster) <-- Strauss
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)
Jamie Heaslip (Naas/Leinster)
Denis Leamy (Cork Constitution/Munster) <-- POM
Sean O'Brien (Clontarf/Leinster)
Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Paul O'Connell (Young Munster/Munster)
Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster)
Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)
David Wallace (Garryowen/Munster)





Something like that I'd imagine.

irishbucsfan

Won't be Strauss any way. He may travel with them though, which would be interesting.

Fishooks12

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Won't be Strauss any way. He may travel with them though, which would be interesting.

Crap, thought he'd be eligible by then?

irishbucsfan

Fishooks12 wrote: »

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Won't be Strauss any way. He may travel with them though, which would be interesting.

Crap, thought he'd be eligible by then?

No at that stage 3 years ago he was still playing for the Cheetahs.

Autumn Internationals I think. Not sure exact date.

RoundBox11

I reckon we'll see 2 or 3 new caps and a few guys will come back into the squad. Is it a 32 man squad? If so i'd like to see:

Props: Healy, Ross, Court, Wilkinson, Hagan

Hookers: Best, Cronin, Sherry

2nd row: POC, Ryan, McCarthy, Tuohy

Back row: Ferris, SOB, Heaslip, POM, Dom. Ryan

Scrum Halves: Murray, Reddan, Marshall

Out Halves: Sexton, Madigan, ROG (i reckon he'll want another go at beating the ABs before he retires)

Centres: BOD, McFadden, Cave/O'Malley

Wings: Earls, Trimble, Bowe, Fitzgerald

Fullbacks: Kearney, Jones

bilston

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I believe the BaaBaas game comes a matter if days after the RDP12 Final.

If that's an All Irish final we could well see basically a Connacht/Ulster/Exiles team out...

Wilkinson, Best, Court, Tuohy, McCarthy, Ferris, O'Connor, Henry, Marshall, Humphries, Trimble, Wallace, Cave, Bowe, Duffy

Kyriacou, McAllister, Caldwell, Muldoon, Stringer, O'Connor, Griffin...

Perhaps???

Some Leinster and Munster squad players could come into consdieration in that case. Kevin McLaughlin and Rhys Ruddock for example and Tomas O'Leary and Ian Keatley maybe. Although I'd rather see Marshall given a shot over TOL in a game that means nothing.

snow mad

MungBean wrote: »

IRELAND 2011 Rugby World Cup Squad: Backs (14) -

Isaac Boss (Terenure College/Leinster)
Tommy Bowe (Ospreys)
Gordon D'Arcy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster)
Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster)
Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Geordan Murphy (Leicester Tigers) <-- Fitz
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)
Brian O'Driscoll (UCD/Leinster) (capt)
Ronan O'Gara (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Eoin Reddan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)
Paddy Wallace (Ballymena/Ulster) <-- FELIX JONES

Forwards (16) -

Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster)
Tony Buckley (Sale Sharks) <-- Hagan/Sherry ?
Tom Court (Malone/Ulster)
Sean Cronin (Leinster)
Leo Cullen (Blackrock College/Leinster)]<-- TOUHY
Stephen Ferris (Dungannon/Ulster)
Jerry Flannery (Shannon/Munster) <-- Strauss
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)
Jamie Heaslip (Naas/Leinster)
Denis Leamy (Cork Constitution/Munster) <-- POM
Sean O'Brien (Clontarf/Leinster)
Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Paul O'Connell (Young Munster/Munster)
Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster)
Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)
David Wallace (Garryowen/Munster)





Just a few more little changes

bilston

Marshall or TOL for Boss as well maybe. I think Boss is 31 and he's at best third choice scrum half for Ireland so in the interests of some kind of development you might as well stick a younger guy in there.

irishbucsfan

It would be kindve disappointing if we end up breaking our duck against New Zealand by beating an experimental side in the 3rd test with a Kidneyesque unchanged team for the third week in a row.

bilston

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It would be kindve disappointing if we end up breaking our duck against New Zealand by beating an experimental side in the 3rd test with a Kidneyesque unchanged team for the third week in a row.

Aye but sure it will guarentee Kidney a 25 year contract if he pulls it off...

irishbucsfan

bilston wrote: »

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It would be kindve disappointing if we end up breaking our duck against New Zealand by beating an experimental side in the 3rd test with a Kidneyesque unchanged team for the third week in a row.

Aye but sure it will guarentee Kidney a 25 year contract if he pulls it off...

In fairness it would give us a fantastic world ranking points boost and allow us to experiment in November. Except that chance will never be taken by Declan "Hayes v Samoa" Kidney.

DeDoc

I think I'd like to see the following 32 players, assuming all are fit and in form:


Healy, Court, Ross, Hagan, McAllister
Cronin, Healy, Sherry
POC, Tuohy, Ryan, McCarthy/McLaughlin
Ferris, SOB, Heaslip, POM, Dom Ryan/Henry
Reddan, Murray, Marshall
Sexton, Madigan
McFadden, O'Driscoll, Cave, Earls
Bowe, Trimble, Gilroy
Kearney, Jones

It might be prudent to have a third player who can play 10. Wallace could be useful in also covering 12, otherwise Keatley. The player to miss out would probably be the 5th back-rower, with McLaughin sealing the spot as 4th second row/5th back-row.

Podge_irl

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It would be kindve disappointing if we end up breaking our duck against New Zealand by beating an experimental side in the 3rd test with a Kidneyesque unchanged team for the third week in a row.

I really wouldn't care. I'd just be thrilled to beat them.

CatFromHue

I'd be surprised if the Kiwi's didn't do some experimenting/rotating in all of their tests to be honest. I mean I'd expect Carter and Slade/Cruden to rotate and if Freuan is up to it himself and Smith to alternate games too.

This season will be a first for the Kiwis too they'll have to rotate. They'll never have played so many Super rugby games then there'll be 3 tests against us and 6 in the Championship.

Fishooks12

CatFromHue wrote: »

I'd be surprised if the Kiwi's didn't do some experimenting/rotating in all of their tests to be honest. I mean I'd expect Carter and Slade/Cruden to rotate and if Freuan is up to it himself and Smith to alternate games too.

This season will be a first for the Kiwis too they'll have to rotate. They'll never have played so many Super rugby games then there'll be 3 tests against us and 6 in the Championship.

will SBW be involved? Hardly considering he's off at the end of the season

dtpc191991

MungBean wrote: »

And Trimble and Reddan havent ? And no POC or Drico ??

Sorry Trimble has Drico has. They'll get their start in one of the two games. Sorry I should have explained that my idea was to rotate to give as many younger guys a shot along some more experienced heads each match. You'll see the likes of POM, EOM, McCarthy, Henry etc in each of the three games. These games won't really affect the world rankings. Why not have a real shot at building some options.

irishbucsfan

dtpc191991 wrote: »

Sorry Trimble has Drico has. They'll get their start in one of the two games. Sorry I should have explained that my idea was to rotate to give as many younger guys a shot along some more experienced heads each match. You'll see the likes of POM, EOM, McCarthy, Henry etc in each of the three games. These games won't really affect the world rankings. Why not have a real shot at building some options.

A win down there absolutely would affect the world rankings, massively.

B0X

My team would be:

1. Healy
2. Best
3. Ross
   
4. Ryan
5. O'Connell
   
6. Ferris
7. O'Brien
8. Heaslip
   
9. Reddan
10. Sexton
    
11. Earls
12. McFadden
13. O'Driscoll
14. Bowe
15. Kearney
    

    ---

16. Cronin
17. Court
18. Tuohy
19. O'Mahony
20. Murray
21. O'Gara
22. Trimble/Fitzgerald etc (Some in form back)

Fireball07

B0X wrote: »

My team would be:

1. Healy
2. Best
3. Ross
   
4. Ryan
5. O'Connell
   
6. Ferris
7. O'Brien
8. Heaslip
   
9. Reddan
10. Sexton
    
11. Earls
12. McFadden
13. O'Driscoll
14. Bowe
15. Kearney
    

    ---

16. Cronin
17. Court
18. Tuohy
19. O'Mahony
20. Murray
21. O'Gara
22. Trimble/Fitzgerald etc (Some in form back)

As a full-strength team, I'd say that's fairly unanimous.

The odd person might want Tuohy ahead of Ryan, Murray ahead of Sexton or Trimble/Fitz ahead of Earls but that would be my exact 22 too for when we're playing a full-strength team.


But I can't see DOC & D'Arcy not being in the squad tbh.

B0X

Fireball07 wrote: »

Murray ahead of Sexton

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Fireball07

B0X wrote: »

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Oops...

Obviously I meant alongside... though Sexton did miss a kick against France, he's pretty shít... it might be worth giving Murray a go there

Fireball07

B0X wrote: »

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Oops...

Obviously I meant alongside... though Sexton did miss a kick against France, he's pretty shít... it might be worth giving Murray a go there