The Israeli central south is again under attack

The Israeli

Terrorists from Gaza have launched today 100 missiles on several Israeli different cities. The Israeli anti rockets system - Iron Dome, took down 28 of them in the while in the air. The rest fell in open spaces outside the cities.
In return, IAF attacked and killed 15 terrorists and not a single citizen in Gaza.

That's how it stands for now.

The terrorists who are responsible for the long range missiles attacks are terrorists from the Islamic Jihad (The one to which belongs the hunger striker the was recently in the news, though it's unlikely that he had had any connection to organizing this attack).
The terrorists who are responsible for the short range missiles attacks are from the Popular Resistance Committees (PRC).

The missiles attacks had started after IDF killed the secretary general of PRC. PRC is a recognized terror organization.

In short: Israel fights terrorists. The terrorists fight the Israeli citizens.

charlemont

Perhaps a link to these incidents, Sir.

drunkmonkey

Who's making the arms and weapons these terrorists use?

The Israeli

charlemont wrote: »

Perhaps a link to these incidents, Sir.

This is one link. I have intentionally taken it from Haaretz, as I know that many people here prefer this Israeli source over others.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/more-rockets-fired-from-gaza-as-violence-in-israel-s-south-runs-into-second-night-1.417706

Sunnyisland

charlemont wrote: »

Perhaps a link to these incidents, Sir.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17319054

Manach

Thankfully, on that initial report, civilians were not injured.

Dirk Gently

I assume this has nothing at all to do with airstrikes in Gaza yesterday and is completely unprovoked.

brimal

Just to be clear, this started yesterday - not today. It's now continued to a second day.

It all kicked off when the IDF killed PRC leader Zuhir al-Qaisi. Israeli intelligence received information that he was planning another terror attack on southern Israel.

Iron Dome has taken out 28 of the 31 missiles it targeted. Great to see it working so well.

Handful of Israelis injured, hopefully there won't be any more.

freddiek

so what? everyone knows these "attacks" cause little or no civilian casualties

compared to the bloodbaths that happen whenever Israel conducts one of their "defensive" operations

RichieC

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Who's making the arms and weapons these terrorists use?

They make them themselves, usually fertilizer made fuel with between 5kg and 25kg of TNT.

Not very high tech or accurate but can be deadly enough.

Sunnyisland

freddiek wrote: »

so what? everyone knows these "attacks" cause little or no civilian casualties

compared to the bloodbaths that happen whenever Israel conducts one of their "defensive" operations

:rolleyes: Yes there rockets are made & fired so they dont kill other humans :rolleyes:

RichieC

realies wrote: »

:rolleyes: Yes there rockets are made & fired so they dont kill other humans :rolleyes:

even in 2008 the worst year on record only 8 israelis were killed and 3,716 mortors and rockets were fired. The rockets are more accurately described as a psychological weapon.

RichieC

NinjaK wrote: »

The Israelis are the real terrorists.

They are better (by better i mean more effective and better equipped) terrorists. The people lobbing these rockets are terrorists too.

Foghladh

RichieC wrote: »

even in 2008 the worst year on record only 8 israelis were killed and 3,716 mortors and rockets were fired. The rockets are more accurately described as a psychological weapon.

Are they intended as psychological weapons though or is it just that they can't manufacture accurate guidance systems?

The Israeli

Foghladh wrote: »

Are they intended as psychological weapons though or is it just that they can't manufacture accurate guidance systems?

They are intended to kill as many as possible of course.
The reasons to why they don't kill lots of people are the lack of a guiding system, relatively light charge(the missiles can't carry a lot), citizens getting into bomb shelters every time the alarm is sounded, the new anti rockets system.

Jaafa

The Israeli wrote: »

Terrorists from Gaza have launched today 100 missiles on several Israeli different cities. The Israeli anti rockets system - Iron Dome, took down 28 of them in the while in the air. The rest fell in open spaces outside the cities.
In return, IAF attacked and killed 15 terrorists and not a single citizen in Gaza.

That's how it stands for now.

The terrorists who are responsible for the long range missiles attacks are terrorists from the Islamic Jihad (The one to which belongs the hunger striker the was recently in the news, though it's unlikely that he had had any connection to organizing this attack).
The terrorists who are responsible for the short range missiles attacks are from the Popular Resistance Committees (PRC).

The missiles attacks had started after IDF killed the secretary general of PRC. PRC is a recognized terror organization.

In short: Israel fights terrorists. The terrorists fight the Israeli citizens.

So what do you expect? Did you expect them to not retaliate?

In short: Israel fights terrorists. The terrorists fight the Israeli citizens.

A lovely concept in theory, however the casualty figures of attacks from the two sides will quickly tell you who kills more civilians.

Hamas and the various armed groups affiliated with them kill less civs in thousands of mortar/rocket attacks than a single Israeli bomb. (2000-2011, 500 Israelis killed by Palestinians, 6500 Palestinians killed by Israelis)

Even if we take your reasoning that Israel never targets civs and Hamas always do, well, there is a reason that manslaughter and attempted murder carry roughly the same penalty, a dead person is a dead person regardless of your intentions.

The Israeli

Jaafa wrote: »

So what do you expect? Did you expect them to not retaliate?



A lovely concept in theory, however the casualty figures of attacks from the two sides will quickly tell you who kills more civilians.

Hamas and the various armed groups affiliated with them kill less civs in thousands of mortar/rocket attacks than a single Israeli bomb.

Even if we take your reasoning that Israel never targets civs and Hamas always do, well, there is a reason that manslaughter and attempted murder carry roughly the same penalty, a dead person is a dead person regardless of your intentions.

Accordingly to your logic:
targeting a terrorist (or a freedom fighter if you'd like) = targeting unarmed civilians. right?
They couldn't target IDF so they decided to target Israeli cities.
Let me remind you - PRC is a terror organization.

Secondly, I agree and afraid that the number of casualties may rise.
I suggest the the terror organizations will stop firing rockets, pull all they arms out of populated areas, stop shooting from inside the cities. You won't believe how many civilian lives will be spared.

Jaafa

Accordingly to your logic:
targeting a terrorist (or a freedom fighter if you'd like) = targeting unarmed civilians. right?

In this case yes all the people killed were allegedly fighters.

You take the figures from the last 11 years however and 3000-3500 out of the 6500 Palestinians killed were civilians. So your logic does not hold at least half the time.

I suggest the the terror organizations will stop firing rockets,

I suggest Israel stops bombing populated areas. Its not going happen though is it?

pull all they arms out of populated areas, stop shooting from inside the cities.

You seem confused about the nature of these launchers. That can't be fired from populated areas, they need space to set up and fire, they use open fields, or wooded/bush areas to fire. That's why the IDF bulldozes olive groves. (at least if we are talking about the ones that can do any sort of damage, the majority of their rockets are over-sized fireworks fired from single tube launchers)

BlaasForRafa

RichieC wrote: »

They make them themselves, usually fertilizer made fuel with between 5kg and 25kg of TNT.

Not very high tech or accurate but can be deadly enough.

Yeah home-made Grad rockets that definitely seriously DON'T come from Iran.

BlaasForRafa

Jaafa wrote: »

So what do you expect? Did you expect them to not retaliate?

Al-Qaisi planned the highway attacks last year that killed 8 israelis, did he or anyone else think that it would go unforgotten or unpunished? He planned atacks on Israel and he paid the price for it.

WakeUp

No excuse for firing missiles into civilian populations none what so ever. The people responsible should be held accountable and brought to justice.

Brown Bomber

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Al-Qaisi planned the highway attacks last year that killed 8 israelis,

You can prove this then? Or is the word of Israeli spokespeople good enough for you?

Although the identity of the bus attackers remains unknown, Israel instantly retaliated by killing a commander of the Popular Resistance Committees (PRC), a Palestinian resistance group.


Neither the PRC nor Hamas – the other party blamed by Israel – has claimed responsibility for the attack.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/35422/World/Region/Israel-reopens-highway--months-after-Eilat-attacks.aspx

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

did he or anyone else think that it would go unforgotten or unpunished? He planned atacks on Israel and he paid the price for it.

Is this you advocating extra-judicial execution? Have you no respect for the principles of justice and due process? Are you aware that the bombed his home? That five other members of his household were injured in the attack?

cyberhog

Rabbi Dovid Weiss explains how Zionism has created rivers of blood.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2012/03/201231083221669780.html

Gregor Samsa

brimal wrote: »

It all kicked off when the IDF killed PRC leader Zuhir al-Qaisi. Israeli intelligence received information that he was planning another terror attack on southern Israel.

At least this stopped an attack on southern Israel. Oh, wait...

Athlone_Bhoy

"Iron dome took out 28"

Just like the scuds that were shoot down in the first gulf war?

not even wrong

WakeUp wrote: »

No excuse for firing missiles into civilian populations none what so ever. The people responsible should be held accountable and brought to justice.

I agree completely. Firing high explosives into a densely-populated civilian area as a retaliation is a crime and should be punished (even if by good luck no civilians are actually hurt).

The Israeli

not even wrong wrote: »

I agree completely. Firing high explosives into a densely-populated civilian area as a retaliation is a crime and should be punished (even if by good luck no civilians are actually hurt).

I'm sorry, but this way of thinking is so narrow.
First of all IAF does everything it can to avoid casualties among civilians. At least people here agree that it doesn't aim at civilians as the rocket launchers from Gaza do.

Second, there is no military way to deal with those rocket launchers other than hurt them where they are. They deliberately hide inside the population.

If Israel doesn't respond = They don't get punished = Israel gets 200 missiles on the next day.
It's completely unthinkable that the Israeli population will get hit without no way for Israel to defend its citizens.
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and PRC are terror groups devoted to the extermination of Israel. You are forgetting that.

Solid lead operation had brought a relative quite for a long time. The second Lebanese war, despite of not being super successful still carries good results since 2006!

Yes, force helps to prevent more deaths. On both sides.

It's also interesting that even when it's clearly visible who is acting morally and who has no morals I still find myself in a defensive position. Amazing.

not even wrong

The Israeli wrote: »

If Israel doesn't respond = They don't get punished = Israel gets 200 missiles on the next day.

I'm sorry but this argument doesn't seem to have any basis in reality. In this case, Israel did respond => Hamas did get punished => Israel got 200 missiles next day.

Second, there is no military way to deal with those rocket launchers other than hurt them where they are. They deliberately hide inside the population.

So don't deal with them militarily. Airstrikes on civilian areas, as shown above, only escalate the problem.

It's also interesting that even when it's clearly visible who is acting morally and who has no morals I still find myself in a defensive position. Amazing.

If there was a Hamas sympathiser who posted a thread to support Hamas missile attacks against Israeli civilians you can be damn sure they'd have to defend themselves even more.

The Israeli

not even wrong wrote: »

I'm sorry but this argument doesn't seem to have any basis in reality. In this case, Israel did respond => Hamas did get punished => Israel got 200 missiles next day.So don't deal with them militarily. Airstrikes on civilian areas, as shown above, only escalate the problem. If there was a Hamas sympathiser who posted a thread to support Hamas missile attacks against Israeli civilians you can be damn sure they'd have to defend themselves even more.

1) Operation solid lead proves otherwise.

2) OK. Next time when they launch rockets, we'll launch flowers back on them. We'll withdraw from Gaza (haven't we did?), open the legal blockade, withdraw from the west bank, allow everyone who wishes to live in Israel-Palestine to live here, get back to Europe and north Africa. That way, we will comply with ALL demands in a non military way.

brimal

phutyle wrote: »

At least this stopped an attack on southern Israel. Oh, wait...

Yes they quite possibly did stop a future terror attack. This guy was responsible for 8 Israeli deaths last year, and intended to kill more.

It was a calculated risk, which seems to be paying off. A few days of pretty useless missile strikes from these terrorists is worth it if it means this guy can't plan any more successful terror attacks.

Now that Iron Dome is performing exceptionally well, these missile strikes from Gaza are becoming more and more redundant. And this is only with 3 batteries, Israel intend to deploy 15 in total in future.

Nodin

The Israeli wrote: »

I'm sorry, but this way of thinking is so narrow.
First of all IAF does everything it can to avoid casualties among civilians. ....................

...presumably next we'll here something about bad eyesight being responsible for their failure.

If Israel want to start "acting morally" they can get out of the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem and the rest, and take their colonists with them.

BlaasForRafa

Athlone_Bhoy wrote: »

"Iron dome took out 28"

Just like the scuds that were shoot down in the first gulf war?

That was 21 years ago, technology has moved on since then :rolleyes:

BlaasForRafa

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Is this you advocating extra-judicial execution? Have you no respect for the principles of justice and due process? Are you aware that the bombed his home? That five other members of his household were injured in the attack?

So you think that Israel should have applied to the Hamas authority for an extradition warrant? :rolleyes: Its funny how it is the terrorists who cry "human Rights" after they have been punished for their attacks on others.

As for his household, he is the one who put them in danger by attacking another country. The responsiblity lay with him and they would presumably have been well aware of his status and activities.

Brown Bomber

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

So you think that Israel should have applied to the Hamas authority for an extradition warrant? :rolleyes: Its funny how it is the terrorists who cry "human Rights" after they have been punished for their attacks on others.

Could you please answer the question, do you advocate the use of extra-judicial executions?

And it's not simply a question of human rights, (though your placement of human rights in scare quotes tells it's own story. )You are defending war crimes according to the International Criminal Court, take a bow...

Article 8

2. For the purpose of this Statute, "war crimes" means:
(a) Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the
following acts against persons or property protected under the provisions of the relevant Geneva
Convention:

(i) Wilful killing;

...

(iv) Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military
necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;

...

(vi) Wilfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of
fair and regular trial;

...
(b) Other serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in international armed
conflict, within the established framework of international law, namely, any of the following acts:

(i) Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against
individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;
(ii) Intentionally directing attacks against civilian objects, that is, objects which are
not military objectives;

....

(iv) Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause
incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or
widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which
would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military
advantage anticipated;

...

(xi) Killing or wounding treacherously individuals belonging to the hostile nation
or army;

...
(c) In the case of an armed conflict not of an international character, serious violations of
article 3 common to the four Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the
following acts committed against persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including
members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by
sickness, wounds, detention or any other cause:...

(iv) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous
judgement pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all judicial
guarantees which are generally recognized as indispensable.

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

As for his household, he is the one who put them in danger by attacking another country.

I take it you have proof of this? This is the second time of asking. You are aware of the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty"?

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

The responsiblity lay with him and they would presumably have been well aware of his status and activities.

So you are also in favour of punishing an entire household, through home destruction, injury and death for the alleged crimes of a single member of the household?

wes

Looks like some people are still bizarrely blaming Palestinians for that high way attack last year:

Egypt detains leader of deadly August attack on Israel border, report says

Some of the lies that we are expecting to believe from the state of Israeli are truly amazing, especially when information that proves such claims wrong can be found online with great ease. I suppose when it comes to Israel, facts are never needed, to justify there violence.

glenkeeran

The Israeli wrote: »

Terrorists from Gaza have launched today 100 missiles on several Israeli different cities. The Israeli anti rockets system - Iron Dome, took down 28 of them in the while in the air. The rest fell in open spaces outside the cities.
In return, IAF attacked and killed 15 terrorists and not a single citizen in Gaza.

That's how it stands for now.

The terrorists who are responsible for the long range missiles attacks are terrorists from the Islamic Jihad (The one to which belongs the hunger striker the was recently in the news, though it's unlikely that he had had any connection to organizing this attack).
The terrorists who are responsible for the short range missiles attacks are from the Popular Resistance Committees (PRC).

The missiles attacks had started after IDF killed the secretary general of PRC. PRC is a recognized terror organization.

In short: Israel fights terrorists. The terrorists fight the Israeli citizens.

I am confused, who are the terrorists? Is it 1.5million people cramped into an area the size of Co Louth been bombarded with missiles from Israeli Gunships killing women and children or an inept group trying to fight back. And now you want to invade Iran, Get a grip.
If you lived in peace and respected your neighbours there would be no reason for any killings.

The Israeli

Brown, you quote laws that can't answer on the developing reality of this region in which terror organization store and fire rockets from within populated areas on Israeli cities with the intention of killing citizens.

glen, some of my neighbours want our extermination from this earth since even before 48. I don't think they care about our respect for them.

wes

The Israeli wrote: »

Brown, you quote laws that can't answer on the developing reality of this region in which terror organization store and fire rockets from within populated areas on Israeli cities with the intention of killing citizens.

Oh please, terrorism isn't anything new. Pretending that it is, and as such it justifies your nations terror is typical nonsense we see from those who defend Israel. I am sure the Palestinian terrorist groups could come up with a similar reasons, to defend there attacks against Israeli civilians. IMHO, your attitude make you no different than the groups you condemn, as you both clearly aren't bothered when you murder civilians, and come up with any excuse you can.

paulaa

I agree Wes.
I saw this on another forum and shamelessly pinched it

There is a serious problem with this communique: it attributes to Al-Queisi responsibility for the terrorist attack near Eilat in August. But, as was written on this blog several times, the attackers did not come from Gaza, but rather from Sinai. This did not stop the IDF from killing six members of the PRC leadership several hours after the attack, nor did it prevent Prime Minister Netanyahu from announcing that “those responsible for the attack have already been punished.” Two months after the attack, someone in the security establishment leaked to Alex Fishman of Yedioth Ahronoth enough information for Fishman to write the truth: the attack did not come from Gaza but rather from Sinai. The PRC had nothing to do with it. Asked to comment, the IDF Spokesman declined. It basically managed to tell us a bald lie, and then walk backwards from it by feeding the information to a trusted reporter. A few weeks later, the Egyptian army arrested a resident of Sinai, charging him with planning the Eilat attack
None of this prevents the IDF from trotting out the old lie about the PRC’s responsibility for the attack. It can rely on the short memory of the public, which won’t remember the series of lies from last time. (The PRC did it – actually, we’re not sure – the attackers came from Gaza, they had AK-47s – the culprits are dead – oops, they came from Sinai but we won’t say so for the record.) The military reporter now parroting the new party line about Al-Queisi seem the most oblivious of all, and certainly won’t contradict the IDF.

http://972mag.com/escalation-in-south-idf-takes-summer-gaza-spin-out-for-2nd-round/37636/

The Israeli

wes wrote: »

Oh please, terrorism isn't anything new. Pretending that it is, and as such it justifies you nations terror is typical nonsense we see from those who defend Israel. I am sure the Palestinian terrorist groups could come up with a similar reasons, to defend there attacks against Israeli civilians. IMHO, your attitude make you no different than the groups you condemn, as you both clearly aren't bothered when you murder civilians, and come up with any excuse you can.

You probably don't understand the difference between striking military activists and civilians, therefore you give a quiet backup to the rocket launchers from Gaza by barely condemning them, but loudly condemning Israel for killing a known terrorist who was a part of a major attack on civilians.
The Israeli relatively accurate attacks (technically hard and expensive) on terrorists you interpret as direct attacks carried out against the Palestinian population.

wes

The Israeli wrote: »

You probably don't understand the difference between striking military activists and civilian activists, therefore you give a quiet backup to the rocket launchers from Gaza by barely condemning them, but loudly condemning Israel for killing a known terrorist who was a part of a major attack on civilians.

I condemn both. Also, the reason I condemn Israel more is firstly, people like yourself you who defend there terrorism, and as such it result in an arguement, and so why I talk about it more. Secondly, Israel kills a lot more civilians.

Also, you are the one who defends terror not me, and to claim that I am some how offering "quite backup" to terrorism is utter nonsense. Unless you can point out where I have defended, then your statement is a complete and utter lie that has no basis except in your imagination.

On the other hand, you have peddled an easily dis-proven lies made by your government as fact, to justify your countries most recent violence. Now, its certainly possible Israel killed terrorists (or aliens for all I know, considering we can't trust a word being said), but the fact that they lied, does mean that there claims now have to questioned, and btw this is hardly the first time that Israeli has lied like this.

The Israeli wrote: »

The Israeli relatively accurate attacks (technically hard and expensive) on terrorists you interpret as direct attacks carried out against the Palestinian population.

As has been pointed out, the facts don't back up your claims. Israel kills far more civilians than the other guy. Why you continue to deny this basic facts is beyond me.

I also notice, you have yet to address the fact that your government also lied about there most recent attacks, but as I said before, facts never matter to supporters of Israeli state terror.

So once again, supporters of Israeli caught out in easily disproven lies, and again engaged in denial. Never ceases to amaze me.

brimal

Israel was well within it's right to kill these known terrorists. Whether PRC were responsible for last years attack or not, they are still a threat to Israel. I mean look at the reaction since the PRC leader was killed. What were these rockets for?

Question - what are Hamas doing to stop these terror groups?

And this whole 'Israel kills more civilians'.. Firstly, Israel doesn't target civilians on purpose (unlike the terrorists you defend), and secondly if these terrorist groups had the same equipment that Israel have, do you think the civilian death ratio would stay the same? The terrorists would have a field day.

Here's an idea to save Gaza civilians lives this week - get Islamic Jihad and PRC to stop sending dozens of rockets into a neighbouring country. Honestly, it's like you drop all responsibility for these terrorists. They are bringing it on themselves.

paulaa

The Israeli wrote: »

You probably don't understand the difference between striking military activists and civilians, therefore you give a quiet backup to the rocket launchers from Gaza by barely condemning them, but loudly condemning Israel for killing a known terrorist who was a part of a major attack on civilians.
The Israeli relatively accurate attacks (technically hard and expensive) on terrorists you interpret as direct attacks carried out against the Palestinian population.

You bomb one of the most densely populated areas on earth, where you know people can't escape because you have them locked in on all sides, air, land and sea.

Of course you are very aware that you are going to kill civilians yet you do it anyway. To say anything else is just a nonsense.

brimal

paulaa wrote: »

You bomb one of the most densely populated areas on earth, where you know people can't escape because you have them locked in on all sides, air, land and sea.

Of course you are very aware that you are going to kill civilians yet you do it anyway. To say anything else is just a nonsense.

Actually - back on topic - this whole thing started when Israel made a precision strike on the PRC leader, killing him and another terrorist in his car. No civilians hit, nobody else injured.

The terrorists then decided to escalate the situation by sending hundreds of rockets into a neighbouring country.

I'll ask again, should Hamas be doing more to stop these terror groups? Are they not in part responsible for these past few days of terror? Where is their condemnation?

Brown Bomber

The Israeli wrote: »

Brown, you quote laws that can't answer on the developing reality of this region in which terror organization store and fire rockets from within populated areas on Israeli cities with the intention of killing citizens.

Legally or morally there are no conditions which allow for a military airforce to bomb - with intent to kill - a residential home full of non-combatants. Do you agree? If not, it put's you on shakey ground as you will show yourself to be a defender of terrorism.

Terror organisations stored and fired weapons in Libya. Should Col. Gadaffi's ICC case, had he lived, been laughed out of court on this "special circumstances" too?

The Israeli wrote: »

glen, some of my neighbours want our extermination from this earth since even before 48. I don't think they care about our respect for them.

Germany does not border Israel.

wes

brimal wrote: »

Israel was well within it's right to kill these known terrorists.

So guilty on the sole basis of accusation. I take it that applies the other way right?

brimal wrote: »

Whether PRC were responsible for last years attack or not, they are still a threat to Israel.

Were they? Have any proof that they were planning to attack Israel? We already know Israel lied, so why should we believe anything else they claim?

brimal wrote: »

I mean look at the reaction since the PRC leader was killed. What were these rockets for?

They were retaliatory strikes, which I condemn as they were aimed at civilians. Secondly, the Palestinians arm themselves due to the fact that Israeli is occupying them, and stealing there land on a daily basis. Occupations tend to breed violence on all sides of a conflict.

Still the fact remains is that Israel attacked first on the basis of lies, and a retaliation doesn't prove that they were intending to attack Israel. Also, possessing weapons doesn't prove anything either, as on that basis, then we can say anyone who has a military is planning to attack someone.

brimal wrote: »

Question - what are Hamas doing to stop these terror groups?

They can't hardly stop all groups all the time. Israel whom have a lot more resources, can't keep there settlers under control, but some how a high standard is expected of Hamas. BTW, I would point out that the most recent attacks, happened after Israel launched attacks, and then lied about the reason.

brimal wrote: »

And this whole 'Israel kills more civilians'.. Firstly, Israel doesn't target civilians on purpose (unlike the terrorists you defend), and secondly if these terrorist groups had the same equipment that Israel have, do you think the civilian death ratio would stay the same? The terrorists would have a field day.

Well, firstly we know Israeli lies (something you have no issues with as you made very clear), and I think the numbers speak for themselves, and as such its clear Israel does kill innocent civilians. Saying you don't do something, and then doing it over and over again, tend to be ample of evidence of a lie. Israel saying they don't target civilians and then they kill a lot more than the terrorists, make such claims simply unbelievable, and thats ignored the whole lieing all the time thing.

Also, a hypotetical situation where the other side would kill more if they could, is pointless. You may as well try and predict the future. The fact as they are show that Israel kill more civilians, which is not an issue for you apparently.

brimal wrote: »

Here's an idea to save Gaza civilians lives this week - get Islamic Jihad and PRC to stop sending dozens of rockets into a neighbouring country.

The rockets were fired after Israel attacked...... Perhaps Israel shouldn't have launched an attack in the 1st place (btw they lied about there justification)?

Also, how about ending there illegal occupation and removed there illegal settlements while there at it? For any kind of peace, btw both sides have to stop there violence, not just the one. Even when the Palestinains do stop there violence, Israel continues there illegal settlement project, but again apparently not an issue for her supporters (kind of like the easily exposed lies not being an issue either).

brimal wrote: »

Honestly, it's like you drop all responsibility for these terrorists. They are bringing it on themselves.

The same could easily be said of Israel on the basis of there illegal occupation and settlements, and there own terrorism.

Also, that you dismiss that Israel lied, is rather astonishing. Israel kicks off the latest round of violence, and then lies about it, and apparently that doesn't matter to you. Really really telling imho.

Brown Bomber

brimal wrote: »

Israel was well within it's right to kill these known terrorists. Whether PRC were responsible for last years attack or not, they are still a threat to Israel. I mean look at the reaction since the PRC leader was killed. What were these rockets for?

The answer is in your own question.

paulaa

brimal wrote: »

Actually - back on topic - this whole thing started when Israel made a precision strike on the PRC leader, killing him and another terrorist in his car. No civilians hit, nobody else injured.

The terrorists then decided to escalate the situation by sending hundreds of rockets into a neighbouring country.

I'll ask again, should Hamas be doing more to stop these terror groups? Are they not in part responsible for these past few days of terror? Where is their condemnation?

Why did Israel feel the need to lie about the reasons for the extrajudicial killing of the PRC leader. Neither he or his group were responsible for the atrocity that was committed last summer.

Israel's lies once again cause deaths

glenkeeran

brimal wrote: »

Israel was well within it's right to kill these known terrorists. Whether PRC were responsible for last years attack or not, they are still a threat to Israel. I mean look at the reaction since the PRC leader was killed. What were these rockets for?

Question - what are Hamas doing to stop these terror groups?

And this whole 'Israel kills more civilians'.. Firstly, Israel doesn't target civilians on purpose (unlike the terrorists you defend), and secondly if these terrorist groups had the same equipment that Israel have, do you think the civilian death ratio would stay the same? The terrorists would have a field day.

Here's an idea to save Gaza civilians lives this week - get Islamic Jihad and PRC to stop sending dozens of rockets into a neighbouring country. Honestly, it's like you drop all responsibility for these terrorists. They are bringing it on themselves.

Its statements like this that just proves who the real terrorists are...Your disgraceful rhetoric stumocks me

Black Swan

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The Israeli

153 or more rockets have been exploded in Israel since Friday. (I couldn't understand if this is the total number of rockets launched or the ones that hit the ground).
Iron Dome has intercepted 51 rockets - rockets that without it would have hit populated areas as it intercepts only rockets that are about to hit populated areas.
A few of them have slipped through and luckily have just caused injuries and property damage.

There is an estimation that the Islamic Jihad isn't accountable to Hamas and gets encouraged by Iran to continue fire until it achieves notable achievements, which means - death toll.
There are now talks about launching a ground attack if the intensive and unprecedented fire continues.