Festival Bankers/Bismarks

Colonel Sanders

With the 5 day decs in thought people might want to stick their necks out:

Banker: Boston Bob (assuming he runs in the Albert Bartlett)
Bismark: Grand Crus (assuming he runs in the RSA)

Speculative tip at a double figure price: Its A Gimme (County Hurdle)

Best ante-post: Salut Flo 20/1 (Festival Plate)

Worst ante-post: where do you want me to start!

Colonel Sanders

I suggest people don't rip each others picks apart. Just post their selections & leave the actual discussions to the various threads

jimini0

the obvious bankers....
hurricane fly, sprinter sacre, quevega.

my bankers....
"al ferof" to beat sprinter think with ruby on board will have to much for barry.
"hold on julio" to walk the jlt specialty

my outsider is
"munkerty tunkerty" in the foxhunters. i backed him 2 weeks ago at 25/1 its now 10/1 think someone else likes its chance too

UrbanSea

Peddler's Cross must be a great lay for the Jewson at 7/2

Oscars Well.

Banker: Long Run (Gold Cup)
Lay: Grand Crus (RSA)
Speculative tip at a double figure price: Chill (Fred Winter)

Nulty

Banker: Hurricane Fly (Haven't backed him but he wins)
Bismark: Darlan

Speculative tip at a double figure price: Abergavenny (County Hurdle)

Best ante-post: Divers 16/1 (Festival Plate)

Worst ante-post: Haven't lost any yet but jumped the gun with Abergavenny and took 20s, have bigger prices now though

Actually, just found out Realt Dubh is going for the QMCC. Still don't think 40/1 on BF was a bad bet under the circumstances. Hindsight is 20-20.

the groutch

Banker: Scotsirish
Bismark: Sprinter Sacre

Outsider: Shop DJ (Mare's Hurdle)

Best AP Bets: Sir Des Champs 16/1 (RSA), Pique Sous 25/1 (Bumper)

UnitedIrishman

Bankers: Hurricane Fly (being the obvious one), Boston Bob (little less obvious).

Bismarks: Peddlars (the stable not exactly brimming with confidence over him).

Have a niggling doubt about Sizing Europe in the back of my mind too for some reason.

mr.jingle

Banker: Quevega/Big Bucks double.

Bismarck: Grands Crus

Outsiders: Sir Johnson(Bumper) + Going Wrong( Ferdy Murphy's usual Cheltenham handicap snip!)

Not had many ante post bets but have Sizing Europe 2/1 and Cinders and Ashes 16/1

billy_beckham

Banker: Long Run, despite the pilot and the issues with jumping cannot have anything else in the race.
Bismark : Sizing Europe, you have to go back to Moscow Flyer (05) and then back to One man (98)to find a horse in double digits agewise who's won the CC. But maybe I'm still bitter about the CH in 08

Have Pique Sous @ 16's in bumper, fingers crossed!

Good hunting to all next week....

RichieLawlor

Banker: Long Run (Gold Cup)

Bismarck: Grand Crus (Wherever he runs)

One to watch: For Non Stop (Jewson)

mike.l

Bankers--- Boston bob/Quevega (sucker for Irish Horses)

Bismark---Noble Prince

Double figures-- Hisaabaat

Hulk Hands

Grand Crus is so many people's lay of the meeting that he might actually become a bit of value. I have a big doubt about him staying, but if ill happily take 5/2 about that chance on the day in the RSA.

Banker for me is Quevega. Bismarks are Al Ferof at 5/2 and Finians Rainbow. Long shot is Poqiulan (spelling)

jimini0

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Grand Crus is so many people's lay of the meeting that he might actually become a bit of value. I have a big doubt about him staying, but if ill happily take 5/2 about that chance on the day in the RSA.

Banker for me is Quevega. Bismarks are Al Ferof at 5/2 and Finians Rainbow. Long shot is Poqiulan (spelling)

poquelin is a good bet in the ryanair but not in gold cup. if he runs in ryanair ill be backing him heavily

UrbanSea

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Banker: Long Run (Gold Cup)

Bismarck: Grand Crus (Wherever he runs)

One to watch: For Non Stop (Jewson)

I really don't fancy For Non Stop. Think the form of his last win will prove to be poor

sting60

The ground is going to ride fast .AP= Medermit 16/1 Ryanair[banker],Batonnier14/1 and Barengar25/1.Cinders And Ashes,Maljimar,Vendor,Teaforthree,Virginia Ash,Arab League[if runs],Finger On The Pulse will love the ground.

TheMilkyPirate

Banker: Long run/Boston bob

Bismarck: Grand crus

One to watch: Maljimar (x country)

RichieLawlor

UrbanSea wrote: »

I really don't fancy For Non Stop. Think the form of his last win will prove to be poor

Are you on drugs. You must be. Look through all his form. I might put you on ignore.

A grade one winner, a head 2nd to the Arkle second favourite who is the highest rated novice so far this season. Your very hard to please

UrbanSea

That may be so but 2 miles around Sandown might be sharp enough for Al Ferof. I'm a big Champion Court fan for the Jewson

UrbanSea

But the main point I was making was the form of his last run. Michael Flips is no graded horse, that'll be the weakest Grade 1 in Britain this year I'd sa

RichieLawlor

UrbanSea wrote: »

That may be so but 2 miles around Sandown might be sharp enough for Al Ferof. I'm a big Champion Court fan for the Jewson

Sandown is not a sharp track, and it takes a hell of a lot of jumping round. I don't mind you disagreeing with me because it's all just opinion but please try to make some sense.

Huntley

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Arkle second favourite who is the highest rated novice so far this season.

Al Ferof is not the highest rated novice so far this season.

RichieLawlor

Huntley wrote: »

Al Ferof is not the highest rated novice so far this season.

Should have said Timeform rated.

UrbanSea

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Sandown is not a sharp track, and it takes a hell of a lot of jumping round. I don't mind you disagreeing with me because it's all just opinion but please try to make some sense.

But still may be sharp enough for Al Ferof. All I'm saying is that I'd be surprised if he's good enough for the Jewson based on his last run. I can see Solix and Champion Court being ahead of him, as well as Cristal Bonus.

Colonel Sanders

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

I suggest people don't rip each others picks apart. Just post their selections & leave the actual discussions to the various threads

Ahem...

Woddle

Banker - Hurricane fly
Lay - Long run
Outsider - Hectors choice 20/1(PP) in the JLT, Fortification 25/1 in the XC
Multiple - Quevega/Big bucks/Grand crus 7.8 on betfair

Can't understand the negativity towards Grand crus, IMO he is the most likely winner of the RSA

mixed up

Banker : Long run
Bismark : Sprinter sacre

kiers47

Banker: Sizing Europe

Bismark: Peddlers Cross

bellybuster12

Bankers= Hurricane Fly(CH) Long run(GC)

Lay= Noble prince(Ryanair)

Outsiders= Poquelin(Ryanair) 16/1. Pique Sous(CB) 10/1

mdwexford

Wish people would give reasons.

Having a bismark with nothing to explain why is stupid.

hucklebuck

Banker (Non favourite) - Hunt Ball - Pulteney Land Investments Novices' Handicap Chase, an improving horse who has won his last three starts and still looks to be ahead of the handicapper

Bismark - Long Run, for me he is not as good as he was last year and with the re-emergence of Burton Port and Weird Al and the potential appearance of Grands Crus is reason enough for me.

Colonel Sanders

My Bismark is Grand Crus. I want to oppose nearly every fancied runner in the RSA. A lot of the reasons are similar to my thoughts 2 years ago!

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2055842534?page=1

Everyone seemed shocked after the result but the RSA is often won by the stoutest stayer & not the classiest individual. I backed Weird Al in 2010 NRNB, didn't run. Citizen Vic (RIP) may well have been placed had he stood up. This year I've had half a point each way on Lambro at 25/1 for very similar reasons.

Nulty

Nulty wrote: »

Banker: Hurricane Fly (Haven't backed him but he wins)
Bismark: Darlan

Speculative tip at a double figure price: Abergavenny (County Hurdle)

Best ante-post: Divers 16/1 (Festival Plate)

Worst ante-post: Haven't lost any yet but jumped the gun with Abergavenny and took 20s, have bigger prices now though

Actually, just found out Realt Dubh is going for the QMCC. Still don't think 40/1 on BF was a bad bet under the circumstances. Hindsight is 20-20.

Bismarck beaten

Will make Abergavenny the Speculative tip in the Coral Cup. Looked like he needed stepping up last time so Coral will probably suit better

useurename

In the Queen Mother i'm all against sizing europe.The odds are way too short.Prohibitive.

Colonel Sanders

Couple of people (myself included) have their heads on the block tomorrow in the RSA! Looks like Grand Crus will start pretty short.

Hulk Hands

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Couple of people (myself included) have their heads on the block tomorrow in the RSA! Looks like Grand Crus will start pretty short.

I dunno, I think some will be willing to lay him. I have a feeling someone will offer 2/1 at some stage tomorrow

UrbanSea

I wouldn't touch him. RSA is not a race for putting faith in short priced favs

Shane732

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Couple of people (myself included) have their heads on the block tomorrow in the RSA! Looks like Grand Crus will start pretty short.

I just don't understand why Bobs Worth is so short in the market. Ok he's turned the form around with Silviniaco Conti since Kempton but I wonder just how right Silviniaco Conti was the last day.

As Urban Sea said in another thread Join Together looks like he could represent the value in this - he's proven over course and distance twice which means he should at least stay the trip.

Gran Crus is the class horse in the race but as you say it's not always the classiest animal that wins this...

Hulk Hands

UrbanSea wrote: »

I wouldn't touch him. RSA is not a race for putting faith in short priced favs

In the last few years you've had Cooldine and Denman win out of the shorties and Time for Rupert lose.

Grand Crus is a funny one. I have doubts about him getting home but would probably risk that if I was getting 2/1. On the flip side, if he went to Evs I'd probably lay. His price is about right at the moment.

I have Join Together at 9's but might lay that off too. Strange race really, I also think Bobs Worth and First Lieutenant are plenty short enough considering what they've achieved on the track. Sometimes the "past festival winners" thing gets overstated

Shane732

UrbanSea wrote: »

I wouldn't touch him. RSA is not a race for putting faith in short priced favs

Would you prefer to go in on Sizing at, say, evens as opposed to Gran Crus?

UrbanSea

Don't forget Long Run too. I think Join Together has a good shout

mdwexford

Think BW and FL will be really suited by the RSA. Think I'm going with BW though.

Hulk Hands

UrbanSea wrote: »

Don't forget Long Run too. I think Join Together has a good shout

7/2 he started i think? Not trying to be pedantic. Yeah I might let the 9's ride on JT for an interest. I didn't like Tom Segal's comments though that he thinks JT will be lapped. I know it's only one opinion but i'd tend to respect Segal's more than most for obvious reasons

UrbanSea

Went off 11/4, I remember him being much shorter in the morning.

I think that's a huge exaggeration. He won it well last time out and is unexposed over fences (edit: mind you it is a novice race so most of them aren't exposed_

Colonel Sanders

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

With the 5 day decs in thought people might want to stick their necks out:

Banker: Boston Bob (assuming he runs in the Albert Bartlett)
Bismark: Grand Crus (assuming he runs in the RSA)

Speculative tip at a double figure price: Its A Gimme (County Hurdle)

Best ante-post: Salut Flo 20/1 (Festival Plate)

Worst ante-post: where do you want me to start!

Bismark sinks but I didn't actually lay it. Considered throwing an in running lay up at 1.6 but left it. Traded at a low of 1.61 so I'd have been physically ill had I

It's A Gimme out of the county so hoping Salut Flo can land the gamble tomorrow and Boston Bob can prevent the English horses winning all 3 big novice hurdles outside the Triumph

TheMilkyPirate

baraca wrote: »

Banker: Long run/Boston bob

Bismarck: Grand crus

One to watch: Maljimar (x country)

Bismarck beaten, Maljimar ran well for a long way. Hopefully Boston bob and long run can win on Friday for me.

mr.jingle

mr.jingle wrote: »

Banker: Quevega/Big Bucks double.

Bismarck: Grands Crus

Outsiders: Sir Johnson(Bumper) + Going Wrong( Ferdy Murphy's usual Cheltenham handicap snip!)

Not had many ante post bets but have Sizing Europe 2/1 and Cinders and Ashes 16/1

Hopefully get the double up tomorrow with BB and Quevega.
Had a nice start with Cinders and Ashes.
My outsiders were exactly like that! Outsiders :rolleyes:
Sizing Europe was arguably unlucky we'll never know what would've happened had they jumped the last. Grands Crus was pretty disappointing to be honest didn't fancy him at all but thought he'd have gone closer

mdwexford

mdwexford wrote: »

Think BW and FL will be really suited by the RSA. Think I'm going with BW though.

Ship.

Colonel Sanders

mdwexford wrote: »

mdwexford wrote: »

Think BW and FL will be really suited by the RSA. Think I'm going with BW though.

Ship.

Well done for keeping the faith. I was against GC as I thought he might be outstayed, hadn't been impressed with BW & FL's jumping, thought Join Together was a 4m horse & he didn't like spring ground in last yrs Albert Bartlett. Picked the wrong Mullins horse to have my small each way on alas.

mdwexford

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Well done for keeping the faith. I was against GC as I thought he might be outstayed, hadn't been impressed with BW & FL's jumping, thought Join Together was a 4m horse & he didn't like spring ground in last yrs Albert Bartlett. Picked the wrong Mullins horse to have my small each way on alas.

Yeah their jumping had been bad but I just had confidence the course and ground would bring out the best in them. Not to mention being primed for the day, Bobs Worth has a serious engine.

Could see those two fighting out the finish in the Gold Cup next year with a bit of normal improvement.

Juwwi

hucklebuck wrote: »

Banker (Non favourite) - Hunt Ball - Pulteney Land Investments Novices' Handicap Chase, an improving horse who has won his last three starts and still looks to be ahead of the handicapper

Bismark - Long Run, for me he is not as good as he was last year and with the re-emergence of Burton Port and Weird Al and the potential appearance of Grands Crus is reason enough for me.

That was a great shout hoping your bismark isnt a good a shout tho.:)