Germany Cuts Off Social Welfare To 14 E.U Countries Citizens

JONJO THE MISER

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20120309-41235.html

The Frankfurter Rundschau newspaper has seen a leaked directive from the Labour Ministry to the Federal Employment Agency - dated February 23 – which bars people who move to Germany from 14 EU countries, plus Norway, Iceland and Turkey, from claiming the basic unemployment benefit known as Hartz IV.

The European Union countries banned include Greece, Spain and Portugal, which has led the German media to interpret the move as an attempt to head off people moving to Germany before they have found work.

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Celly Smunt

What next? invade poland?

Sindri

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

“But you have to ask how realistic it is that young, educated Spanish people leave their home country to live on Hartz IV in Germany.”

I wouldn't put it past 'em. :rolleyes:

JONJO THE MISER

I thought this was not allowed by E.U laws, was that not what our Goverment said when people were giving out about Polish and other E.U citizens claiming dole here when they should of got nothing after a few months on it, also paying these citizens childs allowance and the like while there kids live in Poland.
So it looks after all that yes we can cut off these people from our welfare system.

Sindri

Is this their 'Final Solution'. :rolleyes:

Turtyturd

No mention of it for Ireland...how much is it a week and do you get rent allowance?

Celly Smunt

Turtyturd wrote: »

No mention of it for Ireland...how much is it a week and do you get rent allowance?

you also get a holiday home in Ireland.

crackcrack30

I always thought that you always had to work/pay prsi for 20 weeks anyway before you were intitled to anything in this country.....

but that would rule out dole payments to most home grown etnic minorities.............I used to have better knowledge on these things:o

woodoo

Isn't it funny how the Germans just decide to do these things without a worry on them. We fret over whether the Germans would approve if we were to do anything ourselves.

We have long thought it a bad idea to be paying social welfare to children not living in Ireland. But we haven't the balls to do anything about it.

amacachi

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

I thought this was not allowed by E.U laws, was that not what our Goverment said when people were giving out about Polish and other E.U citizens claiming dole here when they should of got nothing after a few months on it, also paying these citizens childs allowance and the like while there kids live in Poland.
So it looks after all that yes we can cut off these people from our welfare system.

It is allowed as far as I know, we only have to give SW to people who have worked here having moved from another country. Seems Germany was even more open with their unemployment allowances to foreigners than we were.

Celly Smunt

woodoo wrote: »

Isn't it funny how the Germans just decide to do these things without a worry on them. We fret over whether the Germans would approve if we were to do anything ourselves.

We have long thought it a bad idea to be paying social welfare to children not living in Ireland. But we haven't the balls to do anything about it.

Germany holds to balls of Ireland.Ireland has never held it's own balls,It's had a weeping vagina spitting scum onto the earth like cancerous cough.

Mod note-user banned

amacachi

pmcmahon wrote: »

Germany holds to balls of Ireland.Ireland has never had balls

How does that work exactly?

JONJO THE MISER

woodoo wrote: »

Isn't it funny how the Germans just decide to do these things without a worry on them. We fret over whether the Germans would approve if we were to do anything ourselves.

We have long thought it a bad idea to be paying social welfare to children not living in Ireland. But we haven't the balls to do anything about it.

Exactly we are paying child's allowance to children living i Poland and other eastern euro countries, its unreal giving the state the country is in.
High time we kick every one from the accession countries off all welfare after 6 months on it.

Savage Henry

Germany has no qualms about changing the rules, or indeed just breaking them, as they see fit.

Meanwhile we are behaving like a good little puppy afraid to move an inch in case we get barked at.

We are led by spineless wimps.

Celly Smunt

amacachi wrote: »

How does that work exactly?

fixed it honey.

Monty Burnz

woodoo wrote: »

Isn't it funny how the Germans just decide to do these things without a worry on them. We fret over whether the Germans would approve if we were to do anything ourselves.

We have long thought it a bad idea to be paying social welfare to children not living in Ireland. But we haven't the balls to do anything about it.

This would be because the things we do involve spending money we borrow from Germany and others, whereas they are spending their own money. It makes sense if you think about it.

timesnap

amacachi wrote: »

How does that work exactly?

When a Country has other Countries by the balls their hearts and minds will follow.

* what a shame a mod had to cut some of the OP, thanks again minister Sherlock.

Monty Burnz

pmcmahon wrote: »

fixed it honey.

You might want to make another stab at it.

Celly Smunt

Monty Burnz wrote: »

You might want to make another stab at it.

ah fúck it,tis grand.

donegal_road

arbeit macht frei!

Doc Ruby

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20120309-41235.html

Is that not the same as we have now, as in you can't just land off the boat and start claiming, even if you're from within the EU?

Eric Cartman

every EU country should cut off welfare to everybody not born there.

amacachi

timesnap wrote: »

When a Country has other Countries by the balls their hearts and minds will follow.

* what a shame a mod had to cut some of the OP, thanks again minister Sherlock.

But Ireland never had any balls, how could Germany take something that didn't exist? If they did that then **** it, I'm interested in seeing how they would rule the world, some Jedi **** or something.

timesnap

amacachi wrote: »

But Ireland never had any balls, how could Germany take something that didn't exist?

I suppose they could pretend that balls don't exist when in fact they do.
a bit like eurobonds do not exist but actually do.......... sure just ask a Greekman.

RachaelVO

Eric Cartman wrote: »

every EU country should cut off welfare to everybody not born there.

Ah ya can't do that. If for example someone from eastern europe is working in Ireland for 5 years and they loose their job, they are entitled to SW, they've paid for it!

Now I do agree the childrens allowance thing for children not Irish/In Ireland is a joke and should be stopped straight away. For some reason I thought it had been stopped. Have they not changed signing on to once a week as opposed to once a month yet? To stop the SW recipients flying in to pick up their cash?

Nodin

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

I thought this was not allowed by E.U laws, was that not what our Goverment said when people were giving out about Polish and other E.U citizens claiming dole here when they should of got nothing after a few months on it, also paying these citizens childs allowance and the like while there kids live in Poland.
So it looks after all that yes we can cut off these people from our welfare system.

You're not the best at reading comprehension, Jonjo. They're just changing the law to the way we have it.

Chuck Stone

Hitler.

ejmaztec

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Hitler.

Has only got one ball

Nodin

ejmaztec wrote: »

Has only got one ball

Goering...

I_smell_fear

pmcmahon wrote: »

Germany holds to balls of Ireland.Ireland has never held it's own balls,It's had a weeping vagina spitting scum onto the earth like cancerous cough.

What poem is that from?

Doc Ruby

Nodin wrote: »

You're not the best at reading comprehension, Jonjo. They're just changing the law to the way we have it.

Let that not stop every vile imprecation upon the good character of the people of Ireland though.

Biggins

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

I thought this was not allowed by E.U laws, was that not what our Goverment said when people were giving out about Polish and other E.U citizens claiming dole here when they should of got nothing after a few months on it, also paying these citizens childs allowance and the like while there kids live in Poland.
So it looks after all that yes we can cut off these people from our welfare system.

Well it seems that Germany once again, thinks it can do what it wants!
This does not surprise me.

Nodin

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Let that not stop every vile imprecation upon the good character of the people of Ireland though.

And the Germans, and 'de forunners'. And German foriegn single mothers vaginas, who I suspect are at the root of the problem.

Nodin

Biggins wrote: »

Well it seems that Germany once again, thinks it can do what it wants!
This does not surprise me.

Do us a favour there Biggins and tell me where in the treaty(s) it states they had to give state benefits to people who arrive looking for work.

Rented Mule

pmcmahon wrote: »

Germany holds to balls of Ireland.Ireland has never held it's own balls,It's had a weeping vagina spitting scum onto the earth like cancerous cough.

amacachi wrote: »

How does that work exactly?

Can you explain that in an interpretive dance ?

sweetie

pmcmahon wrote: »

Germany holds to balls of Ireland.Ireland has never held it's own balls,It's had a weeping vagina spitting scum onto the earth like cancerous cough.

you should work for fine gael writing speeches for inda

Coriolanus

pmcmahon wrote: »

What next? invade poland?

This takes our Godwinning in AH to new levels. :P

ejmaztec

Nodin wrote: »

Goering...

has two, but very small

JeffK88

Good old Germany.. Same country today as it was in the 'Ahem' years ..

Nodin

ejmaztec wrote: »

has two, but very small

Himmler.....

Nodin

JeffK88 wrote: »

Good old Germany.. Same country today as it was in the 'Ahem' years ..

How? By doing what we've been doing since day one?

ejmaztec

Nodin wrote: »

Himmler.....

is very similar

Nodin

ejmaztec wrote: »

is very similar

And poor oul Goebbels has no balls at all.

Irish Steve

A change of direction here for a minute.

As a result of it's history, Germany is Risk Averse. They are paranoid about inflation which led to many of the other problems and issues that have dominated the last century. So, their banks are Ultra conservative. But, the German economy has been doing very well, so there's lots of money to be found a home.

Bring on the other EU countries, which are not ss risk averse, and are prepared to do things that Germany isn't. Like spend money more readily, or, as we've seem, invest their money where it could earn more than it was in Germany, and places like Ireland were only too happy to suck in money, and pay for it, because at the time, Ireland could lend it......

Look where that got us......................

Now, even the Germans are getting even more worried about how that money is being used, and where it's going. About time, if they recognise that the unnatural movement of people across borders is not in their interest, and the rest of us also start going that way, just maybe, the countries that are still suffering will be helped to get their economies working properly.

What does have to be changed is the massive waste of money on inappropriate and irrelevant bureaucracy for the sake of creating jobs that are not doing anything to further economic development and security. People spending their time writing rules about the shape and size of cucumbers, and many other things in similar vein, need to be recognised for what they are, which unfortunately is creating jobs for people that in other circumstances might well be unemployable. So what you say.

The what is that if there is too much of this sort of irrelevance in commerce, in a global economy, the countries that have said no to the nonsense have a more competitive and vigourous economy, which then succeeds in taking business from the countries that have too much regulation and red tape.

It's not that simple, there's also the issues of relative costs of labour and many other things, but, and it's a big but, if Germany is starting to become more concerned about the way they are spending their money, maybe, just maybe, the rest of Europe, including little old Ireland, will do something similar, and start spending it's resources on the things that matter, and that are of benefit to it's inhabitants.

We can but hope.

timesnap

Irish Steve wrote: »

A change of direction here for a minute.

As a result of it's history, Germany is Risk Averse. They are paranoid about inflation which led to many of the other problems and issues that have dominated the last century.

Very brave of you Irish Steve to post in such detail on AH.:)
i have seen vox-pops on euronews amongst others which indicate that the man/woman in the streets of Germany no longer have that deep seated fear of inflation,it seems to be being used by the German establishment to justify way too many mistakes they have made and continue to make.

also long before the economic collapse housing units in Germany containing immigrant Turks were being petrol bombed leading to many horrible deaths.
the average German was disgusted by that behaviour.

cafecolour

I'm pretty sure this just brings them in line with what Ireland has already been doing.

IMHO if you're a foreigner (or even Irish but been living abroad for a while), you can only claim the dole if you've worked/resided here for a certain amount of time (two years I think).

According to this article, you could literally move to Germany and start collecting the dole immediately, while you were 'looking' for work.

dj jarvis

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

I thought this was not allowed by E.U laws, was that not what our Goverment said when people were giving out about Polish and other E.U citizens claiming dole here when they should of got nothing after a few months on it, also paying these citizens childs allowance and the like while there kids live in Poland.
So it looks after all that yes we can cut off these people from our welfare system.

your forgetting that its not allowed ........ unless you are germany

they were the first country to break the budget rules ..... and since they done it they could not enforce it against any other EU nation

this is how the MASSIVE overspending by some nations was started

have a read of this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16761087

timesnap

dj jarvis wrote: »

they were the first country to break the budget rules ..... and since they done it they could not enforce it against any other EU nation

Germany and France, but lets stop singling out one group or nation over the other or the whole hitler/nazi thing will start all over again.

Doc Ruby

An impressive amount of stupid in this thread, even for AH, crucifier of the kid that didn't jump out of a taxi.

pmcmahon wrote: »

Germany holds to balls of Ireland.Ireland has never held it's own balls,It's had a weeping vagina spitting scum onto the earth like cancerous cough.

You have my sympathies on the loss of your mother from blood poisoning due to ruptured veins mingling with offal when she shit you out her arse.

Mod note-user banned

dj jarvis

timesnap wrote: »

Germany and France, but lets stop singling out one group or nation over the other or the whole hitler/nazi thing will start all over again.

sorry not picking on any nation

but i said they were the first ..... and they were ... before France
so i was being factual not Germany bashing

and in fairness you mention Germany and German bully boy tactics in Europe you cant but help and think of Hitler .... true no good comes of it and lowers the tone, but you also cant blame that train of thought from being posted either

me i think we could do without it

Ellis Dee

pmcmahon wrote: »

Germany holds to balls of Ireland.Ireland has never held it's own balls,It's had a weeping vagina spitting scum onto the earth like cancerous cough.

With its mixed (to put it mildly) metaphors, the above is an outstanding example of what the Germans call Kauderwelsch!:):):rolleyes: