Scammed in donedeal.ie

xipher

Hello.

Recently I purchased a second hand iphone in donedeal and after some suspect I am sure it was a scam (tracking ID of a packet that is not for me, his phone is switched off...).

I sent the money by bank transfer, both accouts are in AIB, so I think they have his name, address, etc.

Do you know how can I get my money back? I should go to the garda first, isn't it?

I know that this question sounds silly, but I am not Irish and I don't know if I can try something else before going to garda (maybe I can get the money back in the bank?).

Thanks!

Local_Chap

xipher wrote: »

Hello.

Recently I purchased a second hand iphone in donedeal and after some suspect I am sure it was a scam (tracking ID of a packet that is not for me, his phone is switched off...).

I sent the money by bank transfer, both accouts are in AIB, so I think they have his name, address, etc.

Do you know how can I get my money back? I should go to the garda first, isn't it?

I know that this question sounds silly, but I am not Irish and I don't know if I can try something else before going to garda (maybe I can get the money back in the bank?).

Thanks!

Something similar happened to a friend of mine last week. Il be following this with interest! I know my friend reported the ad and done deal emailed him back saying that they would co-operate with the gaurds. Im not sure if he went to the gaurds yet tho

DYLF

go to the gardai, report the ad, they can request user info (ip address email etc) from donedeal. but the chances of getting your money back are slim i'm afraid to say.

jor el

You gave money to someone in a private sale; there is pretty much no protection and nothing you can do about it.

The Gardai may or may not be able to do anything. They won't investigate in a civil matter, only a criminal one. If it's a purely civil matter then you'll need to get a solicitor and take the seller to court. The solicitor may need to petition the courts to get the sellers details from the bank, as they won't be able to give these out to you (or even the Gardai for that matter) without a court order.

In essence, I think you've lost your money and you're not getting it back. Completing a sale by bank transfer is extremely risky for the buyer.

TopTec

Good chance you have lost your money but you should report the matter to the Gardai. Only they have a chance of finding out whether it is a criminal scam or not. If you do nothing the scammer is free to do the same to others.

Don't be fobbed off with the "its a civil matter" excuse. That can't be determined until the scammer has been located and interviewed.

TT

xipher

Local_Chap wrote: »

Something similar happened to a friend of mine last week. Il be following this with interest! I know my friend reported the ad and done deal emailed him back saying that they would co-operate with the gaurds. Im not sure if he went to the gaurds yet tho

If you can tell me any news from your friend it will be very helpful. Thanks

And thank you all for the answers. I contacted the seller that day and told me that the tracking was wrong, that he was going to contact me, but he dissapeared again, so definitely I am going to gardai this afternoon.

I hope that with his bank account they can find him and that can be solved.

Melendez

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Local_Chap

xipher wrote: »

If you can tell me any news from your friend it will be very helpful. Thanks

And thank you all for the answers. I contacted the seller that day and told me that the tracking was wrong, that he was going to contact me, but he dissapeared again, so definitely I am going to gardai this afternoon.

I hope that with his bank account they can find him and that can be solved.

My friend jusy got a letter back from the gaurds yesterday saying sorry for the delay in dealing with the case that they had other things higher in priority but they are now looking into the incident and will be in contact if they make progress

blahblah06

This guy is all over adverts. Eddie from adverts knows who he is and also Kevin st Garda station know. I got stung before Christmas n there's nothing u can do as u transferred the money via bank

ladypip

Can his name be posted up here to avoid others getting ripped off by him?

booboo88

jor el wrote: »

You gave money to someone in a private sale; there is pretty much no protection and nothing you can do about it.

The Gardai may or may not be able to do anything. They won't investigate in a civil matter, only a criminal one. If it's a purely civil matter then you'll need to get a solicitor and take the seller to court. The solicitor may need to petition the courts to get the sellers details from the bank, as they won't be able to give these out to you (or even the Gardai for that matter) without a court order.

In essence, I think you've lost your money and you're not getting it back. Completing a sale by bank transfer is extremely risky for the buyer.

paypal is always the way to go.... at least you have some comeback

op sorry to say but its a very expensive lesson to learn.

blahblah06

Can't post the name as he uses a different name and number and bank account everytime.
Anyway above poster is right u haven't a hope to get the right details or your money back

the groutch

blahblah06 wrote: »

Can't post the name as he uses a different name and number and bank account everytime.
Anyway above poster is right u haven't a hope to get the right details or your money back

if that's the case surely the mods should be blocking his IP address(es)

blahblah06

You would think that alright

emily12

Hi, I too have been scammed out of money for phone bought on done deal, this guy is from Sligo or so it was on ad, I paid thru paypal via my credit card as there was no money in PP ac, he promised to post but phone never arrived , now I have put in claim to paypal & 7 days later they send email saying they are trying to recover my money, hoping there is sufficient funds in his account, now I dont know what happens if there is no funds in his account , Can anyone please give me some advice on what to do next, I do have his email address that I paid money to.
How can I get my money back?

drunkmonkey

emily12 wrote: »

Hi, I too have been scammed out of money for phone bought on done deal, this guy is from Sligo or so it was on ad, I paid thru paypal via my credit card as there was no money in PP ac, he promised to post but phone never arrived , now I have put in claim to paypal & 7 days later they send email saying they are trying to recover my money, hoping there is sufficient funds in his account, now I dont know what happens if there is no funds in his account , Can anyone please give me some advice on what to do next, I do have his email address that I paid money to.
How can I get my money back?

If there is no money in his account there's nothing you can do, you basically handed a stranger cash you never met.
It's an expensive lesson but there's nothing you can really do only learn from your mistake.
You've lost your money i'm afraid.

emily12

Hi Drunkmonkey,
Oh god that was what I was afraid of, I am wondering if I got on to credit card (bank) would I get monies back this way,
so Paypal is not as secure as it says ?
thanks a mill!

TopTec

Emily.

If you paid by Credit Card over a certain amount you can get the cash back from your CC company through your bank.

If you paid by Debit Card you may also be able to claim a refund, using a slightly diiffent set of regulations, again through your bank.

I would also continue to persue PP. Just one more reason why I refuse to use Paypal anymore, and I usually tell the seller that they have lost a sale because of it.

Good Luck.

TT

emily12

Hi Top Tec,
Thanks a mill for reply , I will ring bank 2 moro, I paid the seller thru paypal but because I had no funds it was charged to my credit card, I just can't belive it , I and I suppose many like me thought Paypal was the most secure way.
Has opened my eyes to them:(
Thanks again.

tinkerbell

You are protected with Paypal - they will have to refund you so pursue the case with them.

emily12

Hi,
I really thought so too, but if the guy I bought phone from has no money in his account ,I wonder what happens then?
I have been reading online today and I am not so sure they will refund unless they themselves can recoup this money???
Dont know but maybe I will call them 2 moro also!!
Thank you for reply:)

NetNinja

Paypal refund you then they persue the seller & get their money back with debt collection agencies etc.

emily12

Fingers crossedXXXXX

anpost9

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If there is no money in his account there's nothing you can do, you basically handed a stranger cash you never met.
It's an expensive lesson but there's nothing you can really do only learn from your mistake.
You've lost your money i'm afraid.

I have similar experience on eBay when I paid 870 euro outside eBay through PayPal. I got money back through PayPal. PayPal should get you money irrespective if there is money in that person account. if they still are not doing that keep all ur correspondence and try charge back from PayPal through ur credit card thru ur bank u will get u r money for sure.

Tar.Aldarion

TopTec wrote: »

Emily.

If you paid by Credit Card over a certain amount you can get the cash back from your CC company through your bank.

If you paid by Debit Card you may also be able to claim a refund, using a slightly diiffent set of regulations, again through your bank.

I would also continue to persue PP. Just one more reason why I refuse to use Paypal anymore, and I usually tell the seller that they have lost a sale because of it.

Good Luck.

TT

What do you use? PayPal generally give the buyer their money back

Demosthenese

Paypal is used exactly for this reason! you should be ok to get your money back, have never heard of paypal saying they might have no money in their account - FFs - whats the point of using them if they cannot retrieve your cash when a sale goes bogus. Never had a problem getting money back from PP within 30 days.

emily12

Thanks to all who replied, well I did get my money back from PayPal as seller did not respond went on to buy another phone but was lied to about that , but at least I got it and it works , lesson learnt from this is be very careful buying on done deal , I think the days of handing over money and expecting to get your phone in post are well & truly gone in ireland ,more likely to end up with empty box. Thanks again 2all.

emily12

Thanks to all who replied, well I did get my money back from PayPal as seller did not respond went on to buy another phone but was lied to about that , but at least I got it and it works , lesson learnt from this is be very careful buying on done deal , I think the days of handing over money and expecting to get your phone in post are well & truly gone in ireland ,more likely to end up with empty box. Thanks again 2all.

joecc

Re: Donedeal.ie.

What is the safest way to pay? If you cannot meet the seller personally...(too great a distance to drive)

Tar.Aldarion

Paypal with a credit card I'd say. or credit card. Because both of them cover you if your money is taken I believe.

joecc

What about a debit card LINKED to paypal? is that less protection?

Tar.Aldarion

That's what I have. I say CC because I think they offer more protection than a debit card but really, I don't expect it to get past the paypal stage, they always seem to side with the buyer and refund them.

du Maurier

Would it be worthwhile contacting the Gardai at all, even if you've conducted a bank transfer with a fraudster? Should you have his full name and mobile number and county of residence?

cipi

be careful just got scamed of 200 euros was aware but still got scamed sounded extremly professinal....shipping couriers and etc involved e bay pay pal etc gumtree..done deal.....




The transaction is in order and legal. You shall receive the said amount as soon as you made the transfer and you send the transfer number to us. You are to send the money to the name and address giving to you, This transaction is not fraudulent and you are assured of quality service. We encourage you to send the money out immediately (due to PayPal's policy) as your payment has been confirmed by us. Security is of critical importance with PayPal.
We use proprietary technology - and constantly innovate - to help ensure your transactions are safe. In addition, PayPal has over 1000 people worldwide dedicated to keeping PayPal accounts safe, and stopping online criminals. And we work with Internet Service Providers (ISPs) worldwide to shut off fraudulent websites as soon as possible.

PayPal's Fraud Investigation Team is highly experienced in fraud prevention. Several members of the team are former law enforcement officials with extensive experience in fighting online fraud. PayPal's fraud investigation team focuses on: Identifying and preventing fraud before it occurs, Detecting fraud in process, Mitigating loss, if fraud does occur, Delivering information to law enforcement around the world to help stop those committing online fraud.
PayPal Customer Protection.
Note: that the money has been credited to your account, but it will neither be displayed nor be available for spending. We have placed a temporary hold on the funds until the transfer verification is completed. Also we are aware that your bank account/credit card is yet to be approved, but the funds will be available in your account as soon as you have send the shipping cost to shipping company via Western Union Money Transfer.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS PAYMENT WILL NOT APPEAR IN THE "PENDING" TAB IN YOUR ACCOUNT UNTIL YOU SEND THE MTCN CONTROL NUMBER TO US.
This is due to new policies at PayPal to protect both the buyer and the seller in the face of the growing number of fraudulent activities perpetrated via the internet. Your payment is intact. You are encouraged to complete this transaction.
We thank you for being an asset to PayPal and we hope to serve you better in the nearest future.
Thank you for using PayPal!
PayPal Email ID PP1268

braddun

never send money

Atlantic Dawn

Always buy in person and in cash, otherwise you will need to find a money tree to replace the money that you have been fleeced.

mikom

cipi wrote: »

be careful just got scamed of 200 euros was aware but still got scamed sounded extremly professinal....shipping couriers and etc involved e bay pay pal etc gumtree..done deal.....




The transaction is in order and legal. You shall receive the said amount as soon as you made the transfer and you send the transfer number to us. You are to send the money to the name and address giving to you, This transaction is not fraudulent and you are assured of quality service. We encourage you to send the money out immediately (due to PayPal's policy) as your payment has been confirmed by us. Security is of critical importance with PayPal.
We use proprietary technology - and constantly innovate - to help ensure your transactions are safe. In addition, PayPal has over 1000 people worldwide dedicated to keeping PayPal accounts safe, and stopping online criminals. And we work with Internet Service Providers (ISPs) worldwide to shut off fraudulent websites as soon as possible.

PayPal's Fraud Investigation Team is highly experienced in fraud prevention. Several members of the team are former law enforcement officials with extensive experience in fighting online fraud. PayPal's fraud investigation team focuses on: Identifying and preventing fraud before it occurs, Detecting fraud in process, Mitigating loss, if fraud does occur, Delivering information to law enforcement around the world to help stop those committing online fraud.
PayPal Customer Protection.
Note: that the money has been credited to your account, but it will neither be displayed nor be available for spending. We have placed a temporary hold on the funds until the transfer verification is completed. Also we are aware that your bank account/credit card is yet to be approved, but the funds will be available in your account as soon as you have send the shipping cost to shipping company via Western Union Money Transfer.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS PAYMENT WILL NOT APPEAR IN THE "PENDING" TAB IN YOUR ACCOUNT UNTIL YOU SEND THE MTCN CONTROL NUMBER TO US.
This is due to new policies at PayPal to protect both the buyer and the seller in the face of the growing number of fraudulent activities perpetrated via the internet. Your payment is intact. You are encouraged to complete this transaction.
We thank you for being an asset to PayPal and we hope to serve you better in the nearest future.
Thank you for using PayPal!
PayPal Email ID PP1268

For future note, folks.
Help yourself avoid the scammers by doing the following.
Scan any messages for oddities in spelling.
I have bolded one in the above piece......... "the name and address giving to you".
So now we add quotes to either side of that........ "the name and address giving to you", and pump it into the ould goggle machine.

See what comes up when you enter it?........... https://www.google.ie/search?q=the+name+and+address+giving+to+you,+This+transaction+is+not+fraudulent&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr&ei=ieeQVPO1IIXmar2NgbgK#rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=%22the+name+and+address+giving+to+you%22

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www.youreittoday.com/scammer.php?scammerid=578705
Dec 15, 2013 - ... my passport yet but I can still give you someone else address as you are just going to send the money to the name and address giving to you.


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You are to send the money to the name and address giving to you, This transaction is not fraudulent and you are assured of quality service.

cipi

Fair enough i believe it s western unions fault as well though,not asking for the receivers address ,date of birth ,signature,confirmation ,reason,bla bla....any way...

pleasant Co.

cipi wrote: »

Fair enough i believe it s western unions fault as well though,not asking for the receivers address ,date of birth ,signature,confirmation ,reason,bla bla....any way...

It's not. They provide the service they provide, nothing more, nothing less. If you knew the above information was not required by WU and used them anyway it's your fault for using them. If you did not know the above information was not required by WU and used them anyway it's your fault for not researching the method you were using to transfer money.
As difficult as it might be to swallow, the buck stops with you on this one.

Beano

cipi wrote: »

Fair enough i believe it s western unions fault as well though,not asking for the receivers address ,date of birth ,signature,confirmation ,reason,bla bla....any way...

you sent money by western union? and you didnt suspect that it might be a scam? oh dear

kc90

cipi wrote: »

Fair enough i believe it s western unions fault as well though,not asking for the receivers address ,date of birth ,signature,confirmation ,reason,bla bla....any way...

End communication the moment someone mentions western union and you'll avoid 99% of scams. Out of interest, if they sent you that 'paypal' email, how did they convince you to pay by WU after that?

daithi55

cousin just got done on donedeal bought a phone from a guy...met him in nenagh phone is locked down 320 euro what an idiot... beware anyone buying phones

Stinicker

I can't believe anyone still uses Done Deal, it's not known as the Done Steal for nothing. I find adverts and eBay much better as both seller and buyer.

Sam Mac

I can't believe anyone still uses Western Union.

foggy_lad

Never pay bills or for goods with western union!

It is only for giving money away with no hope of ever seeing a return on it.

SeantheMan

I'm still waiting on a return on my investment from the money I sent to a Nigerian prince

Kerrybai

Adverts is the way to go as the sellers have feedback... Just check the guys/gals feedback before sending any money.