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Easiest way to move a car with the handbrake on?

  • 05-03-2012 7:43pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭


    Had 9 cars park in my spot in an underground complex over the last 6 months, with the latest tosser sticking so far out(it's a corner spot so usually I can at least park in front of them) I have nowhere to park without taking someone else's spot. It isn't in gear but the handbrake is on, what is the best way to move it? Don't think I could bounce it, and trolleys for under the wheels are about €100 for a pair which is rather expensive.

    Ideas?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭johnos1984


    Trolley jack it up and put biscuit tin kids or trays under the wheels


  • Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Biscuit tray lids under each wheel and drag it using the towing eye.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭patwicklow


    Or put a rope on it and drag it out.


  • Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Borrow skateboards....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭johnos1984


    Whatever you do I'd like pictures and a video.

    Maybe even a picture of how it is now


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    Biscuit tin lids tomorrow it is! Hoping to wedge it into the corner so I can park beside it. I only use the car at weekends and I'm intending to lay it up for 4 weeks ASAP, so if the offending merc isn't gone by tomorrow or Wednesday it'll be stuck until April.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭patwicklow


    Tragedy wrote: »
    Biscuit tin lids tomorrow it is! Hoping to wedge it into the corner so I can park beside it. I only use the car at weekends and I'm intending to lay it up for 4 weeks ASAP, so if the offending merc isn't gone by tomorrow or Wednesday it'll be stuck until April.

    Some cheek who ever parked it there, i would be ringing one of them scrap companies that take cars away feck that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    I usually don't even bother leaving notes, but getting fed up of it now. After 10 days on holiday, the last thing I want late Sunday night is to have no parking space and be forced to deal with this ****. Going to install a fold down security post (the management company can **** off if they have a problem with it) soonish, under €90 and doesn't require anything more than a 12mm drill bit to install which isn't too bad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    Buy one of those clamps and have a "release fee".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    patwicklow wrote: »
    Or put a rope on it and drag it out.

    This. It'll drag easy enough. I was in a 1.3 corrolla that pushed a parked Mazda 6 (iirc) out of the way)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    Careful with jacks. If the car has a tilt sensor you'll set the alarm off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭marketty


    I wouldn't touch it if I were you. Find some way to block him in but if you touch/move the car you could be causing a lot of bother for yourself


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    Not really, as long as I don't damage it he has no comeback against me(which is how clamping companies are able to operate unfortunately).
    I don't think a 99 c180 would have a tilt sensor but sure, I'll find out tomorrow! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Tragedy wrote: »
    Biscuit tin lids tomorrow it is! Hoping to wedge it into the corner so I can park beside it. I only use the car at weekends and I'm intending to lay it up for 4 weeks ASAP, so if the offending merc isn't gone by tomorrow or Wednesday it'll be stuck until April.
    Just to point out that if you move someone's car and then block it they'll probably feel justified in moving yours in return.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭patwicklow


    Is there any way of contacting the driver of the car? and why has it been in your space for so long?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    marketty wrote: »
    I wouldn't touch it if I were you. Find some way to block him in but if you touch/move the car you could be causing a lot of bother for yourself

    "Judge, that man moved my car from his parking space for which he pays dearly for and didn't damage my vehicle!"

    Yeah, it just doesn't really work for me....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Tragedy wrote: »
    Not really, as long as I don't damage it he has no comeback against me(which is how clamping companies are able to operate unfortunately).
    I don't think a 99 c180 would have a tilt sensor but sure, I'll find out tomorrow! :D

    If you move someone's property they have a cad against you
    If you block someone's car they have a case against you

    At this point you are in the right but you get in trouble if you do what you are saying

    Just leave a note explaining that it is your property and that you will be having the car clamped if its parked there again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭GalwayKiefer


    If the space is your's then is there not a procedure in place with the management company to enforce it? Ie. Private clamping company.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    Tigger wrote: »
    If you move someone's property they have a cad against you
    If you block someone's car they have a case against you

    What case do they have ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    I left a note asking him not to use the spot unless he wanted to pay the €10,000 it cost and the management fee for the year(it's a couple of hundred quid but can't remember what exactly).

    Note hasn't been moved and nothing was left on my car!

    I also took down his insurance details, if any mysterious scratches or punctures happen to my car I won't hesitate to claim off his insurance and get a solicitor involved (in a civil case, the burden of proof rests on the balance of probability unlike a criminal case - or so I'm told).

    Also, clamping is only above ground and I have no legitimate way of getting the car removed/penalised by the management company or an agent of theirs.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭puzzle factory


    trolley jack under the rear diff,watch out for the steering lock when your rolling it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭marketty


    MugMugs wrote: »
    "Judge, that man moved my car from his parking space for which he pays dearly for and didn't damage my vehicle!"

    Yeah, it just doesn't really work for me....

    But what if there is some problem already with the car? It would be very easy for the owner to then claim that you caused that damage and very difficult to prove you didn't. I'm on the OPs side by the way I'm just wary of how these things can spiral


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    MugMugs wrote: »
    What case do they have ?

    They can claim damages for every possaible thing that could be wrong withe the car

    Also is it a auto many c180s are


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭patwicklow


    Tigger wrote: »
    They can claim damages for every possaible thing that could be wrong withe the car

    Also is it a auto many c180s are

    If its an automatic then thats a problem moving it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Tragedy wrote: »
    I left a note asking him not to use the spot unless he wanted to pay the €10,000 it cost and the management fee for the year(it's a couple of hundred quid but can't remember what exactly).

    Note hasn't been moved and nothing was left on my car!

    I also took down his insurance details, if any mysterious scratches or punctures happen to my car I won't hesitate to claim off his insurance and get a solicitor involved (in a civil case, the burden of proof rests on the balance of probability unlike a criminal case - or so I'm told).

    Also, clamping is only above ground and I have no legitimate way of getting the car removed/penalised by the management company or an agent of theirs.
    Note not touched then the owner mustn't he e been back yet
    Just call the management co and let them deal

    Or don't I just think its silly to think that you will have impunity zbecause you've been slightly inconvenienced


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    Tragedy wrote: »
    I usually don't even bother leaving notes, but getting fed up of it now. After 10 days on holiday, the last thing I want late Sunday night is to have no parking space and be forced to deal with this ****. Going to install a fold down security post (the management company can **** off if they have a problem with it) soonish, under €90 and doesn't require anything more than a 12mm drill bit to install which isn't too bad

    Remember you'll be drilling into pour concrete which can be all kinds of evil.
    Don't skimp on a masonry bit, perhaps go 6mm first before reaming out with the larger bit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    patwicklow wrote: »
    If its an automatic then thats a problem moving it.

    Exactly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Fiona


    Why don't you just take the plates off it and report it to the management company / Garda and local authority and they will take it away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    Go for it.

    I'd be letting the air of the tyres of any person that claims a private space thats mine.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    mrs crilly wrote: »
    Why don't you just take the plates off it and report it to the management company / Garda and local authority and they will take it away.

    If it's a gated complex the council don't care and you should never remove anything from another mans car. That's a criminal act.

    I can't see anything criminal with moving it though and not causing damage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Fiona


    MugMugs wrote: »
    If it's a gated complex the council don't care and you should never remove anything from another mans car. That's a criminal act.

    Meh well thats what I did when somebody plonked their car outside my house.


  • Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tragedy wrote: »
    ............ Oh hi <SNIP>..................

    Did you try messaging him on facebook or linkedin or the like?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭creedp


    BX 19 wrote: »
    Go for it.

    I'd be letting the air of the tyres of any person that claims a private space thats mine.


    I've seen that happen on a number of ocassions in similar circumstances. Its unusual now though that apartment complexes don't have some form of sanction - normally clamping - for illegally parked cars.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Sometimes, underground carparks in apartment blocks are used by car thieves to store cars between stealing it and using it in whatever. Or to leave them for a while to see if it has a tracking device on it.

    If the car hasn't been moved in a while, and the note hasn't been touched, it's possible the owner doesn't know it's there. Maybe give the Gardai a quick call with the reg number (even after you've moved it)?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭dilallio


    Tragedy wrote: »
    It's now been there almost 4 days.

    Had another look, the owner left a diploma(or similar) in the back with his name on it. Oh hi <SNIP>, I wonder how high google search will rank this thread?

    I'll take pics in an hour to show people why I'm pissed.
    If you leave out the middle name, Facebook search only returns one person with that name and he's from Tralee - try sending him a message there.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    Why would I message him? He's obviously plonked the car in the spot for the week. We'll see how much he likes it being blocked for a month so.


  • Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tragedy wrote: »
    Why would I message him? ......

    So he might move it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    No need now, I can safely park without inconveniencing anyone but him :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    creedp wrote: »
    I've seen that happen on a number of ocassions in similar circumstances. Its unusual now though that apartment complexes don't have some form of sanction - normally clamping - for illegally parked cars.
    What difference would it make? <SNIP> would leave the car in Tragedy's space for as long as he liked, then start a thread here and be met with sympathy and told to cut the clamp off and dump it. He might even be advised on his return that Tragedy's car, given that it's immobilising his car, effectively is the clamp, which would be interesting to say the least.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    As stands, there is no actual method of dealing with illegal parking in the underground. No tow-away, no clamping, no form of sanction. Essentially anyone can park wherever they want, including blocking people in willy-nilly with zero repercussions past possible illegal actions by annoyed owners.

    I've also heard of other management companies stopping clamping in underground car parks due to how many clamps are just cut off.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,272 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    Easiest way to move it? Release the handbrake ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Tragedy wrote: »
    As stands, there is no actual method of dealing with illegal parking in the underground. No tow-away, no clamping, no form of sanction. Essentially anyone can park wherever they want, including blocking people in willy-nilly with zero repercussions past possible illegal actions by annoyed owners.

    I've also heard of other management companies stopping clamping in underground car parks due to how many clamps are just cut off.
    We have lots of them in Motors, posting pictures of angle grinders and crowing about their rights. Your rights don't matter a jot to these people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭creedp


    Anan1 wrote: »
    What difference would it make? Olan James Carmody would leave the car in Tragedy's space for as long as he liked, then start a thread here and be met with sympathy and told to cut the clamp off and dump it. He might even be advised on his return that Tragedy's car, given that it's immobilising his car, effectively is the clamp, which would be interesting to say the least.

    Well I've seen a car clamped by a private clamping company in an underground car park. I don't know how it was removed because the car was gone the next time I was in the car park. I've also seen notes left on cars in the same car park threatening clamping and the cars have moved on. Do you not think that the threat of clamping could be useful especially if the odd car is actually clamped? The inconvenience alone of having to remove the damn thing (by whatever means) should I wuld have thought encourage the majority of people to move on. I accept if you get a stickler that it is difficult to manage this situation. What I'm not clear on here (maybe I should read the whole thread more carefully) is this car permanently parked in the spot or does the guy come an go regularly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    phutyle wrote: »
    Sometimes, underground carparks in apartment blocks are used by car thieves to store cars between stealing it and using it in whatever. Or to leave them for a while to see if it has a tracking device on it.

    If the car hasn't been moved in a while, and the note hasn't been touched, it's possible the owner doesn't know it's there. Maybe give the Gardai a quick call with the reg number (even after you've moved it)?

    This is extremely sensible advice. There was a 520d parked in a space outside my old place for about 3-4 days and when I rang the guards it turns out it was reported stolen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    creedp wrote: »
    Well I've seen a car clamped by a private clamping company in an underground car park. I don't know how it was removed because the car was gone the next time I was in the car park. I've also seen notes left on cars in the same car park threatening clamping and the cars have moved on. Do you not think that the threat of clamping could be useful especially if the odd car is actually clamped? The inconvenience alone of having to remove the damn thing (by whatever means) should I wuld have thought encourage the majority of people to move on. I accept if you get a stickler that it is difficult to manage this situation. What I'm not clear on here (maybe I should read the whole thread more carefully) is this car permanently parked in the spot or does the guy come an go regularly?
    The OP says he's had 9 different cars parked in his spot over the past 6 months. I'd imagine the culprits do the rounds, ie take a different space each time. Moving on isn't enough - the OP paid 10k for their spot and it should be available to them at any time. IMO, regulated saturation clamping is the solution - those wrongly clamped have the right to an independent appeal, and anyone who cuts the clamp off is prosecuted. People like Olan don't give a fvck about the rights of others - they need to be hit in the wallet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    Im not really sure what use clamping would do in this instance. Clamping is supposed to be a preventative measure; where the offending car is causing a problem clamping is actually counter-productive!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    djimi wrote: »
    Im not really sure what use clamping would do in this instance. Clamping is supposed to be a preventative measure; where the offending car is causing a problem clamping is actually counter-productive!

    exactly, surely someone whom doesnt actually have a parking space in the underground and has not paid for it shouldnt have access to it in the first place?

    i.e. a card system to enter / exit.

    Theres the issue. not random clamping as so usually suggested by Anan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭tmc86


    Are you putting pics up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    djimi wrote: »
    Im not really sure what use clamping would do in this instance. Clamping is supposed to be a preventative measure; where the offending car is causing a problem clamping is actually counter-productive!
    Ah come on now. Our Olan has appropriated Tragedy's space for one reason only - because he thinks he'll get away with it. A reasonable expectation of getting clamped would have deterred him.
    listermint wrote: »
    exactly, surely someone whom doesnt actually have a parking space in the underground and has not paid for it shouldnt have access to it in the first place?

    i.e. a card system to enter / exit.

    Theres the issue. not random clamping as so usually suggested by Anan.
    That would be ideal, but those systems cost a fortune to install and maintain. The owners of many small developments simply can't afford them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Ah come on now. Our Olan has appropriated Tragedy's space for one reason only - because he thinks he'll get away with it. A reasonable expectation of getting clamped would have deterred him.That would be ideal, but those systems cost a fortune to install and maintain. The owners of many small developments simply can't afford them.

    We dont know if this is in place?

    We dont know anything about this lads case or the car park that he has.

    so blanket clamping is a ridiculous suggestion until we know the story. Your inforcement campaign has been PROVEN to drive wedges between neighbours and neighbourhoods and generally kills any sense of community that may exist in developments. In fact it leads folks to despise the members on their 'residents committees.

    Clamping is just another tool to destroy sense of community and is not warranted in most cases. I cant understand why you find it so popular.


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