Another indicator question

CiniO

So here we are.



Does the red car have to indicate left or not?

guil

no and why not use the first thread

colm_mcm

I've never seen a road layout like that.

CiniO

guil wrote: »

no and why not use the first thread

Because it's completely different matter.
I won't get any anwers to this questions in old thread, as no one is going to go through all the posts there anyway.

PS - Why no need for indicator?

biko

It looks a bit odd but if you're leaving the lane you're in (which you are) then you should indicate.

CiniO

colm_mcm wrote: »

Is the road coming from the top one-way or something.

Yes

houseplant

Are we just making up road layouts now?

colm_mcm

Is the road coming from the top one-way or something.

CiniO

Road layout is just an example...

Main question is - do you need to indicate, if you are forced to turn by a traffic sign (turn left/right ahead), so you can't go anywhere else.

CiniO

colm_mcm wrote: »

I've never seen a road layout like that.

Because you've never been here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=castlebar&hl=en&ll=53.855496,-9.29965&spn=0.001166,0.003484&sll=53.337075,-6.662865&sspn=0.037976,0.111494&hnear=Castlebar,+County+Mayo,+Ireland&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=53.855592,-9.299577&panoid=pvAD1OGs8tDr4qivVsz5qA&cbp=12,41.75,,0,18.29

colm_mcm

no.

there is a "learning to drive" forum by the way

Have you just discovered Microsoft Paint or something?

guil

why would you indicate, you can't go anywhere else

colm_mcm

That's a one-way coming towards you, no need to indicate.

JerCotter7

I think all these questions should be accompanied by an example. Because I doubt you will find one like that anywhere. If I have no choice where to go I wouldn't bother indicating. Probably wrong for your example, but since it doesn't exist it's fine.

CiniO

colm_mcm wrote: »

no.

Why?

there is a "learning to drive" forum by the way

I know but they are chatting mostly about passing the driving test, as while here we can chat between experienced drivers.

Have you just discovered Microsoft Paint or something?

Never heard about it.

Chuck_Norris

Cinio, is this the junction just after the Maxol, underneath the N4 in Lucan? The one by the golf course?

Either way, in your picture, no you don't have to indicate. As was said earlier, you cant continue straight onwards, and the main road travels around to the left. Its almost a mirror image of your other thread, except in this instance you can't continue straight on.

hi_im_fil

Why would you indicate? Indicators are used to inform other users of your intentions. If the road from the top is a one way, then its obvious you'll have to follow the main road to the left.

Chuck_Norris

JerCotter7 wrote: »

I think all these questions should be accompanied by an example. Because I doubt you will find one like that anywhere. If I have no choice where to go I wouldn't bother indicating. Probably wrong for your example, but since it doesn't exist it's fine.

This exact layout of road does exist. There's an example of it about 5km from my front door.

colm_mcm

In this instance, you wouldn't indicate turning left. and that's the whole point. it's little more than a bend, and that's how you treat corners like you describe above.

CiniO

Chuck_Norris wrote: »

Cinio, is this the junction just after the Maxol, underneath the N4 in Lucan? The one by the golf course?

No, no...
It's in Castlebar.
I provided a link for google maps earlier.
It's not exactly as in my picture, but very similar.

Either way, in your picture, no you don't have to indicate. As was said earlier, you cant continue straight onwards,

That's true - you can't.

and the main road travels around to the left.

No it doesn't.
Main road is the one going straight on. It's just you can't go straight on, so you are forced by the sign to turn left into a minor road.

Its almost a mirror image of your other thread, except in this instance you can't continue straight on.

My intention was actually to find out, if you need to use indicator on the junction, if you don't have a choice where to go, as like you are force by a traffic sign to turn, but physically you would be able to go other way.

JerCotter7

Chuck_Norris wrote: »

This exact layout of road does exist. There's an example of it about 5km from my front door.

With a stop coming from the left? As in the 1 way street has right of way?

JerCotter7

CiniO wrote: »

No, no...
It's in Castlebar.
I provided a link for google maps earlier.
It's not exactly as in my picture, but very similar.

Looking at the link, no I wouldn't indicate. You are following the road. Is it 1 way as well after you turn right?

colm_mcm

CiniO wrote: »

No it doesn't.
Main road is the one going straight on. It's just you can't go straight on, so you are forced by the sign to turn left into a minor road.

The main road is the route as directed by the signs. Doesn't matter that the road used to be 2 way, and is wider, or whatever.

Chuck_Norris

JerCotter7 wrote: »

Chuck_Norris wrote: »

This exact layout of road does exist. There's an example of it about 5km from my front door.

With a stop coming from the left? As in the 1 way street has right of way?

Yup.

The road from the left, is coming down a hill. The one way road used to be both ways, but a few years ago, was made one way in the direction Cinio has shown in his drawing.

Traffic coming down the hill has to stop at a stop sign, as traffic coming from the one way road has priority.

CiniO

colm_mcm wrote: »

In this instance, you wouldn't indicate turning left. and that's the whole point. it's little more than a bend, and that's how you treat corners like you describe above.

Yes. In that case I wouldn't indicate.
But in that case, this road sign wouldn't be there.

In your example, you can't go anywhere else.
In my example, you must turn left according to the sign, but physically you could drive straight ahead. That's the difference.

Are you trying to say, that in any case, where you are forced by rules of the road to go somewhere, you don't need to indicate.

Like say you waiting at the traffic lights before the juntion on the lane signed only for turning right. Would you not indicate right there?

Alanstrainor

Check this out. I think it's CiniO's holy grail of junctions:D

Chuck_Norris

I'd be inclined to agree with Colm on this one again. The road sign clearly shows that the road travels around to the left. So no need to indicate.

CiniO

colm_mcm wrote: »

The main road is the route as directed by the signs. Doesn't matter that the road used to be 2 way, and is wider, or whatever.

That's right.
And if you look again, there is a sign "yield" from the side road, so that means that a road going straight is the main road. Doesn't it?

Chuck_Norris

No Cinio. It may have been the main road when it was two way, but once it became one way, you can't continue straight on. So the main road became the road around to the left.

Jesus Shaves

CiniO wrote: »

So here we are.



Does the red car have to indicate left or not?

If you have to ask these questions about indicating i can only imagine what your overall driving is like.
You should be made do a driving test in Ireland if you don't even know the basics

colm_mcm

where is this yield sign?

Chuck_Norris

colm_mcm wrote: »

where is this yield sign?

It's at the bottom of the road coming from the left.

Chuck_Norris

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Check this out. I think it's CiniO's holy grail of junctions:D

Linky not working.

CiniO

darokane wrote: »

If you have to ask these questions about indicating i can only imagine what your overall driving is like.
You should be made do a driving test in Ireland if you don't even know the basics

I will be doing my driving test pretty soon for another category.
I'll let you know how it went.

But besides, those basics which you are writing about, have no source in any written text which can be found anywhere, except from motor forum on boards.ie.
In addition, most drivers behave in opposite to what's written in this threads, especially this one, as I'd say at least 80% of drivers indicate on a shown juntion, while everyone here says: "don't indicate".

I might actually write to RSA about this matter, to find out what's the correct answer, according to them.

colm_mcm

Chuck_Norris wrote: »

It's at the bottom of the road coming from the left.

In the Castlebar picture?

I see a:

Stella Artois sign
Signposts
No entry sign

Boscoirl

There is a similar type junction in Clonmel, and I would never indicate there.

CiniO

colm_mcm wrote: »

In the Castlebar picture?

I see a:

Stella Artois sign
Signposts
No entry sign

No in castlebar there is no yield sign, as the street you are turning into, is one way. That's slightly different from my picture, but doesn't mean such juntion as on my picture can't exist.

Mycroft H

CiniO wrote: »

So here we are.



Does the red car have to indicate left or not?

Nope. Not at all.

Its no more then a bend on the road. Do you indicate for every bend in the road?

heate

Some top quality ms paint going on here!
I only use my indicators when I deem it necessasary.
1. On roundabouts
2. At multiple directional lane junctions
3. Switching lanes in motorway traffic obviously at night when I've the road to myself I don't indicate at all I there is noone on the road who am I indicating to!

I don't use my indicators if it's pretty clear that I'm in the lane to turn left/right and I'm awaiting a filter light or if the sign says I can only go one way. I can't understand why people do this

CiniO

heate wrote: »

Some top quality ms paint going on here!

I've never used really any MS software.
It's all coming from KolourPaint from KDE, Linux

I don't use my indicators if it's pretty clear that I'm in the lane to turn left/right and I'm awaiting a filter light or if the sign says I can only go one way. I can't understand why people do this

If you ever drive on the Continent, make sure you don't keep those practices there.

heate

CiniO wrote: »

heate wrote: »

Some top quality ms paint going on here!

I've never used really any MS software.
It's all coming from KolourPaint from KDE, Linux

I don't use my indicators if it's pretty clear that I'm in the lane to turn left/right and I'm awaiting a filter light or if the sign says I can only go one way. I can't understand why people do this

If you ever drive on the Continent, make sure you don't keep those practices there.

I live on the continent and find that most people in Zurich drive like this, it makes sense. Why are you telling someone about what they know you're doing!

CiniO

heate wrote: »

I live on the continent and find that most people in Zurich drive like this it makes sense why are you telling someone about what they no you're doing!

Sorry man. I read this sentence over 5 times, and I still can't understand.
Maybe try to use some interpunction.

101sean

Similar junction in New Inn where Clonmel road joins Cahir/Cashel Road except the left turn is a one way road

Funnily enough around 90% of drivers indicate left here even though it's not needed. Fair number of UK and foreign drivers sail straight on because there aren't international No Entry and Left Turn signs. Wall on the junction has been demolished for years as it's not clear in the dark.

CiniO

101sean wrote: »

Similar junction in New Inn where Clonmel road joins Cahir/Cashel Road except the left turn is a one way road

Funnily enough around 90% of drivers indicate left here even though it's not needed.

If 90% of driver do something, maybe then it is needed. And maybe it is correct way of behaving.

I started 2 threads about indicating in different situations, and so far, except from explaining what the correct way, no one was able to present any source of this information.
And what's worse, information provided here, seems to contradict what most drivers do on the road. It's also in contradiction with rules that apply in most other EU countries.

All situation seems to be strange for me.

heate

CiniO wrote: »

101sean wrote: »

Similar junction in New Inn where Clonmel road joins Cahir/Cashel Road except the left turn is a one way road

Funnily enough around 90% of drivers indicate left here even though it's not needed.

If 90% of driver do something, maybe then it is needed. And maybe it is correct way of behaving.

I started 2 threads about indicating in different situations, and so far, except from explaining what the correct way, no one was able to present any source of this information.
And what's worse, information provided here, seems to contradict what most drivers do on the road. It's also in contradiction with rules that apply in most other EU countries.

All situation seems to be strange for me.

I fixed my post but I wouldn't start on others grammar if I were you. A bit pot kettle black there. I get the impression English isn't your first language so I won't dwell on the point!

If this is a huge concern to you buy yourself a full copy of the rules of the road.
Or use some logic why would you indicate if you can't go any other way - to tell the people behind you that there is only one way to go?
I've seen people indicate going around corners that doesn't need to be backed up with any rules of the road evidence. It's pretty well known that you don't indicate when following a road.

stoneill

From the Rules of the Road:

"Signals by motorists and cyclists
A motorist must always signal before they change their course. This means signalling clearly and in good time before:

moving off,
turning right or left,
changing lanes,
overtaking,
slowing down, or
stopping.
Signalling

Signals are an indication of intent - they do not confer a right of way. The law requires you to signal your intention of doing things on the road. This means signalling properly before moving off, turning right or left, changing lanes, overtaking, slowing down or stopping. You must signal clearly and in good time. If you are not certain that your direction indicators or stop lamps, for whatever reason, are giving an adequate signal, use clear decisive hand signals as well."


It doesn't mention that you use signals when following the road, even if the road had a tight bend, curve, corner, change of vector, angle or any other interpretation of not being dead straight.

Marcusm

CiniO wrote: »

I will be doing my driving test pretty soon for another category.
I'll let you know how it went.

But besides, those basics which you are writing about, have no source in any written text which can be found anywhere, except from motor forum on boards.ie.
In addition, most drivers behave in opposite to what's written in this threads, especially this one, as I'd say at least 80% of drivers indicate on a shown juntion, while everyone here says: "don't indicate".

I might actually write to RSA about this matter, to find out what's the correct answer, according to them.

I don't think that there's anything to indicate for unless you are pulling over to park; there is simply no other route to divert onto. You can only go left, hence no need to indicate as there is no change of direction. I suspect the 80% who are indicating are doing so as that is what they would have done in the olden days when the road was 2 way.

CiniO

heate wrote: »

I fixed my post but I wouldn't start on others grammar if I were you. A bit pot kettle black there. I get the impression English isn't your first language so I won't dwell on the point!

I never said anything about grammar.

If this is a huge concern to you buy yourself a full copy of the rules of the road.

I have even 2 copies.

Or use some logic why would you indicate if you can't go any other way

Simple question - simple answer.
Because while I do know that I can't go any other way, other people might not know that, and my indicator will be useful to them.

- to tell the people behind you that there is only one way to go?

This yes - of course, but not only people behind me. To anyone who can see me, and might be interested.

I've seen people indicate going around corners that doesn't need to be backed up with any rules of the road evidence. It's pretty well known that you don't indicate when following a road.

When following the open road - no.
When turning on junction - yes.

CiniO

stoneill wrote: »

From the Rules of the Road:

"Signals by motorists and cyclists
A motorist must always signal before they change their course. This means signalling clearly and in good time before:

moving off,
turning right or left,
changing lanes,
overtaking,
slowing down, or
stopping.
Signalling

Signals are an indication of intent - they do not confer a right of way. The law requires you to signal your intention of doing things on the road. This means signalling properly before moving off, turning right or left, changing lanes, overtaking, slowing down or stopping. You must signal clearly and in good time. If you are not certain that your direction indicators or stop lamps, for whatever reason, are giving an adequate signal, use clear decisive hand signals as well."


It doesn't mention that you use signals when following the road, even if the road had a tight bend, curve, corner, change of vector, angle or any other interpretation of not being dead straight.

But it does mention, that you use signal, when turning left or right.

Are you trying to deny, that in my first picture driver is turning left?

CiniO

OK. Maybe I unneceserily put a complicated junction, while I should have put the easier one.
Here is it.
The same question - should red car indicate left or not?

Jimdagym

Junction fail CiniO. That junction cannot go with those road signs.

You can keep drawing road maps, you are still wrong.