Using indicators

CiniO

Junction like that.
Red car might choose the go with the main road (green arrow), or may choose to leave main road into secondary road (blue arrow).

Which indicators (if any) should he use while choosing the green route, and which indicators should he use (if any) while choosing the blue route?

mgbgt1978

Blue arrow.....left indicator
Green arrow....no indicator

Jimdagym

Why are you asking?

CiniO

Jimdagym wrote: »

Why are you asking?

Because I don't know.

tvercetti

CiniO wrote: »

Because I don't know.

You don't know, please don't say you have a driving licence.

Gumbo

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Blue arrow.....left indicator
Green arrow....no indicator

^^^

I would be of this opinion too.

YouTookMyName

Where the line isn't broken you'd don't need to use an indicator.

Chuck_Norris

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Blue arrow.....left indicator
Green arrow....no indicator

+1.

The main road is following around to the right, so no need to indicate.

If following the blue arrow, would be going onto a road of lesser importance, hence the need to indicate your intentions.

Would be nice if more people actually did this!!

CiniO

tvercetti wrote: »

You don't know, please don't say you have a driving licence.

Full licence for cars and buses for 13 years, and I drive for living if your are interested.

CiniO

YouTookMyName wrote: »

Where the line isn't broken you'd don't need to use an indicator.

Could you explain it in a bit more detail?

Gumbo

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Sample above, coming down the village, i would not need to indicate right if going right as the main road continues that way. if i was to go straight, technically i have to indicate left.

Chuck_Norris

CiniO wrote: »

YouTookMyName wrote: »

Where the line isn't broken you'd don't need to use an indicator.

Could you explain it in a bit more detail?

The little signpost you drew explains it all.

It shows that for you to continue on straight, you would be joining a road of lesser importance, do you need to indicate left.

Looking at the road sign, it's easy to know what you have to do.

tvercetti

CiniO wrote: »

Full licence for cars and buses for 13 years, and I drive for living if your are interested.

What have you been doing for the past 13 years at similar junctions??

CiniO

Chuck_Norris wrote: »

The little signpost you drew explains it all.

It shows that for you to continue on straight, you would be joining a road of lesser importance, do you need to indicate left.

Looking at the road sign, it's easy to know what you have to do.

So the general rule is, that if you follow the main road, you don't indicate, even if the road turns somewhere?
While leaving the main road, you indicate.

So far all of you here answered the same.

However I never could find a confirmation of this in RoTR or any road traffic law.
Anyone could maybe find any source confirming such behaviour is correct?

Neither I can see it on the road, as people use indicators randomly.
Sometimes people following the main road, use right indicator, as they are actually turning right, and don't turn any indicator while going straight, as they go straight. And sometimes they do like yous described here.
Anyway - probably most drivers don't use indicators at all on this kind of junctions no matter where they go.

CiniO

tvercetti wrote: »

What have you been doing for the past 13 years at similar junctions??

That's actually good question.
I was rather using right indicator while following the main road which turns right. And using no indicator, while leaving the main road by going straight ahead.

Which is in oppose to all answers here

Damokc

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Blue arrow.....left indicator
Green arrow....no indicator

Pretty simple....where does the confusion come in here for you?

Chuck_Norris

I would agree with your above post mate about the random use of indicators. I could go on a rant about this happening in more instances than the one you've detailed above, but that would just derail things.

Essentially, I stand over my earlier post.

CiniO

Damokc wrote: »

Pretty simple....where does the confusion come in here for you?

I was always of the opinion, that with indicators you indicate a direction in which you are planning to go (turn right - right indicator. go straight ahead - no indicator) , and which road was major or minor wasn't relevant. But maybe I was wrong.
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CiniO

OK, So let's extend this juntion a bit.

What if there is another road there.

Would yous still use indicators the same as you described earlier?

Jimdagym

CiniO wrote: »

I was always of the opinion, that with indicators you indicate a direction in which you are planning to go (turn right - right indicator. go straight ahead - no indicator) , and which road was major or minor wasn't relevant. But maybe I was wrong.
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The road sign you drew advises you that the road you are on veers to the right, but is in fact still part of the same road. You stay on the road and only indicate to come off it. In this case, left.

cruizer101

What about coming down the minor road. Fair enough if you want to go left indicate left but what if want to go straight, do you indicate right or not at all.

CiniO

cruizer101 wrote: »

What about coming down the minor road. Fair enough if you want to go left indicate left but what if want to go straight, do you indicate right or not at all.

Not at all, as I'm going straight.

Jimdagym

CiniO wrote: »

OK, So let's extend this juntion a bit.

What if there is another road there.

Would yous still use indicators the same as you described earlier?

I can't think of any example of a junction like that where the road is not represented in the sign.

CiniO

Jimdagym wrote: »

I can't think of any example of a junction like that where the road is not represented in the sign.

I forgot to update a sign, but let's assume then it's the exit from carpark and is not indicated on the sign.

To be honest, in many cases the sign is not present at all, but people still know which is a major road. All other roads are ended with "yield" signs.

Would the presence (or lack) of that sign change anything, considering that major road is still the major road?

Chuck_Norris

CiniO wrote: »

Jimdagym wrote: »

I can't think of any example of a junction like that where the road is not represented in the sign.

I forgot to update a sign, but let's assume then it's the exit from carpark and is not indicated on the sign.

To be honest, in many cases the sign is not present at all, but people still know which is a major road. All other roads are ended with "yield" signs.

Would the presence (or lack) of that sign change anything, considering that major road is still the major road?

That changes things a little bit.

Hypothetically, if it was blatantly obvious that by going straight, I would be joining a road of lesser importance, I would indicate left.

If it wasn't totally obvious, I'm not sure. It would depend on the situation to be honest.

EDIT: Missed the bit about all of the roads being marked with YIELD signs. If that was the case, then I would definitely indicate where I was going, regardless.

Jimdagym

CiniO wrote: »

Not at all, as I'm going straight.

You aren't going straight though. You are joining a road of greater importance and should indicate left or right. Straight is coming up the bend from your left as you come down the minor road.

CiniO

Chuck_Norris wrote: »

That changes things a little bit.

Hypothetically, if it was blatantly obvious that by going straight, I would be joining a road of lesser importance, I would indicate left.

If it wasn't totally obvious, I'm not sure. It would depend on the situation to be honest.

Assume it is obvious which road is the main road, no matter if there is a sign or not.

But would the extra road on the left not change anything?

According to what you are saying, you are reaching a junction, and have 3 options.
1. Follow the main road by turning right - you don't indicate.
2. Go straight ahead into minor road - you indicate left.
3. Turn left into a minor road - you indicate left as well?

That could be a bit confusing for other drivers, as if you indicate left, they wouldn't know if you are planning to go straight ahead or turn left.

CiniO

Jimdagym wrote: »

You aren't going straight though. You are joining a road of greater importance and should indicate left or right. Straight is coming up the bend from your left as you come down the minor road.

For me, going straight means that I keep my steering wheel in the centre and don't move it.
If I have to turn left or right, then I'm turning.

Chuck_Norris

Yes, it would be a bit confusing. But I would lay the confusion at the door of whoever allowed for planning like that.

In the situation that you're describing above, the best junction layout IMO, would be a roundabout. But that just opens up another can of worms regarding use of indicators.

But still speaking hypothetically, I would indicate left to show I was going straight, still assuming that the road going right was a main road, and the others were of lesser importance.

If, however, as you've said earlier they were all labelled with YIELD signs, I would indicate if I was turning left or right, but not if I was continuing straight ahead.

Jimdagym

CiniO wrote: »

For me, going straight means that I keep my steering wheel in the centre and don't move it.
If I have to turn left or right, then I'm turning.

Then you are wrong.

Jesus Shaves

CiniO wrote: »

That could be a bit confusing for other drivers, as if you indicate left, they wouldn't know if you are planning to go straight ahead or turn left.

Bit ironic seeing as you've been confusing other drivers for 13 years!

colm_mcm

Junction in clane, co. Kildare outside manzors (college road, ballinagappa road, main street, Dublin road is as near an example as I can think of of the second scenario.

CiniO

Jimdagym wrote: »

Then you are wrong.

Oh come on
expressions like "going straight ahead", "turning right", or "turning left" are incontrovertible.

When you follow the main road which turns right, you are actually turning right. That is no confusion about it.

Confusion is about using indicators, but everyone (except me) seems to pretty much agree on the same version.

CiniO

colm_mcm wrote: »

Junction in clane, co. Kildare outside manzors (college road, ballinagappa road, main street, Dublin road is as near an example as I can think of of the second scenario.

How do drivers use their indicators there?

CiniO

darokane wrote: »

Bit ironic seeing as you've been confusing other drivers for 13 years!

I haven't really.

I learnt to drive in other country, where different rules apply.
In Ireland, considering everyone is using indicators in different way, with majority of drivers not using them at all, I can't see how could I have confused anyone.

Marcusm

CiniO wrote: »

For me, going straight means that I keep my steering wheel in the centre and don't move it.
If I have to turn left or right, then I'm turning.

I think you are giving too much importance to the turning of the wheel; in your example, if there were no other roads but just a bend, you would not indicate. You don't indicate because you are not performing a manoeuvre simply following the road. In either of the other examples, you are performing a manoeuvre and not simply following the road naturally. Accordingly, you must indicate that you are deviating from the road, i.e. "turning" albeit that you are not performing a turn of the wheel.

This is not helped by some bizarre junctions and road layouts in Ireland.

colm_mcm

Ah shur tis bypassed now so it's not as much of a problem as before.
most people don't indicate anyway, causing delays at rush hour, so it's handier to cut through the petrol station

Big Nasty

It's as simple as this IMO:

If you're staying on the main road don't use any indicator. There are curves on most roads, you don't use your indicator just because the road veers to the right. If you are coming off the main road on to a secondary road then indicate as necessary.

I thought that would be painfully obvious but there's a good chance I'm missing something here!

colm_mcm

CiniO

Marcusm wrote: »

I think you are giving too much importance to the turning of the wheel; in your example, if there were no other roads but just a bend, you would not indicate. You don't indicate because you are not performing a manoeuvre simply following the road. In either of the other examples, you are performing a manoeuvre and not simply following the road naturally. Accordingly, you must indicate that you are deviating from the road, i.e. "turning" albeit that you are not performing a turn of the wheel.

This is not helped by some bizarre junctions and road layouts in Ireland.

As I said I wasn't learning to drive in Ireland but in Poland.
In there you use indicators only in below circumstances.
1. Before changing lanes to signal intention.
2. At the junctions to indicate your intention to change direction.
3. When turning off the road outside juntions (f.e turning into a gate, or driveway).
Hence that to point 2 simple rule applys: if you go right, you indicate right, if you go left you indicate left, and if you go straight ahead, you don't indicate, no matter how does the main road go.

I always assumed this was logical, and as I didn't read about any other way of indicating in Ireland, I kept doing it.

funnights74

CiniO wrote: »

Junction like that.
Red car might choose the go with the main road (green arrow), or may choose to leave main road into secondary road (blue arrow).

Which indicators (if any) should he use while choosing the green route, and which indicators should he use (if any) while choosing the blue route?

What if there is a vehicle coming against you as you turn, i.e the road that the blue arrow is heading along. Who has the right of way?

CiniO

funnights74 wrote: »

What if there is a vehicle coming against you as you turn, i.e the road that the blue arrow is heading along. Who has the right of way?

You mean if I'm going down with green arrow within the main road, and there is car coming from the minor road towards me?
I think there isn't any doubts about the right of way. Vehicles on the main road has the right of way.

LordSutch

Going by the coloured drawing in post#1 and post#41 . . . .

No indicator for the straight on (Blue) option.
Right indicator for the turn right (Green) option.

On saying that, if there was a car coming towards me, I might give one click of my left indicator if I was continuing straight on (Blue).

colm_mcm

LordSutch wrote: »

Going by the coloured drawing in post#1 and post#41 . . . .

No indicator for the straight on (Blue) option.
Right indicator for the turn right (Green) option.

look at the sign.

Chuck_Norris

LordSutch wrote: »

Going by the coloured drawing in post#1 and post#41 . . . .

No indicator for the straight on ([COLOR="Blue"]Blue[/COLOR]) option.
Right indicator for the turn right ([COLOR="SeaGreen"]Green[/COLOR]) option.

In this my good Lord, you are thoroughly wrong.

colm_mcm

Cinio, you're wrong. simple as that. you need to start doing it right.

CiniO

MCMLXXV wrote: »

It's as simple as this IMO:

If you're staying on the main road don't use any indicator. There are curves on most roads, you don't use your indicator just because the road veers to the right.

But there are no junctions, so there is no point in indicating anything.

If you are coming off the main road on to a secondary road then indicate as necessary.

I thought that would be painfully obvious but there's a good chance I'm missing something here!

What about pedestrians?
They don't need to know the rules of the road, and they don't need to know which road is the main road.
But if they want to cross the road, someone's indicators might be very helpful. And easiest thing for pedestrian to understand is that cars indicating right will go right, and cars not indicating will go straight ahead.

Chuck_Norris

Your photo is a bit different Colm. If I was going down the Kilcock road, I would wait til after the first left hand junction before I indicated left. If I was continuing on to Celbridge, I wouldn't indicate as that's the main road.

Mycroft H

CiniO wrote: »

You mean if I'm going down with green arrow within the main road, and there is car coming from the minor road towards me?
I think there isn't any doubts about the right of way. Vehicles on the main road has the right of way.

Yep I'd go with that. Also the confusion re the indicators is pretty simple. If your following the same road, you have not deviated from it and there is no need to indicate.

colm_mcm

That's exactly right Chuck. principle is the same no matter how it's spaced.

Chuck_Norris wrote: »

Your photo is a bit different Colm. If I was going down the Kilcock road, I would wait til after the first left hand junction before I indicated left. If I was continuing on to Celbridge, I wouldn't indicate as that's the main road.

LordSutch

Chuck_Norris wrote: »

Your photo is a bit different Colm. If I was going down the Kilcock road, I would wait til after the first left hand junction before I indicated left. If I was continuing on to Celbridge, I wouldn't indicate as that's the main road.

Is the 'photo' related to the coloured drawing?