Experience with PICP Level 1?

Hanley

Anyone done it?? Thoughts?

The Davestator

I did the PICP level 1 about 18 months ago and really enjoyed it. Very good for understanding tempo, different programme and selection. Also very very good for working out 1 rm of different exercises through bench testing.

Because it level 1, there's no 'mad' stuff!

Like all courses, ya take some and leave some

Hanley

The Davestator wrote: »

I did the PICP level 1 about 18 months ago and really enjoyed it. Very good for understanding tempo, different programme and selection. Also very very good for working out 1 rm of different exercises through bench testing.

Because it level 1, there's no 'mad' stuff!

Like all courses, ya take some and leave some

Cheers mate!!

Like I know I give Poliquin a hard time, but I think it's more the narrow mindedness of some of his disciples than the actual system I've a problem with - like I did the CFL1 and came out with some fantastic ideas and a completely reformed idea of Crossfit. I'm sure this could be the same.

The good PICP guys seem to be doing really well and getting fantastic results.

Anyone else??

Red Cortina

Hanley wrote: »

The good PICP guys seem to be doing really well and getting fantastic results.

Anyone else??

Obviously haven't done that course so can't help you there!

Just wondered who are the good PICP guys who are getting the results?

boomtown84

Red Cortina wrote: »

Obviously haven't done that course so can't help you there!

Just wondered who are the good PICP guys who are getting the results?

The lads in The Edge and Eoin Lacey i'm pretty sure are certified. Only know of those as they're local. I've heard they get great results.

The Davestator

boomtown84 wrote: »

The lads in The Edge and Eoin Lacey i'm pretty sure are certified. Only know of those as they're local. I've heard they get great results.

True. Eoin has opened a place on the algarve for weekend type pt weekends etc.

boomtown84

That actually looks like a bit of fun...i'd say it's pricey though. Who gives the lectures?

EDIT: looks like Lacey himself gives them. Is he any use?

The Davestator

He's an excellent trainer. (I've no connection to him) but his clients seem to get great results.

boomtown84

Sorry i meant as a lecturer. Is it all Poliquin stuff?

Hanley

boomtown84 wrote: »

Sorry i meant as a lecturer. Is it all Poliquin stuff?

Does e lecture about all Poliquin stuff on the Poliquin course?!

boomtown84

Nah i was referring to his Algarve thing.

Hanley

Red Cortina wrote: »

Obviously haven't done that course so can't help you there!

Just wondered who are the good PICP guys who are getting the results?

Yeah as said The Edge lads, ISI and Padraig Murphy from EvolvFitness too I think. Damien Maher as well actually?

thehamo

Lad in Santry is PICP trained I think. He does all the work with the athletes John something. dublintherapy.ie

nbrady20009

The Davestator wrote: »

True. Eoin has opened a place on the algarve for weekend type pt weekends etc.

Doesn't look too shabby.

Red Cortina

Hanley wrote: »

Yeah as said The Edge lads, ISI and Padraig Murphy from EvolvFitness too I think. Damien Maher as well actually?

Hanley wrote: »

The good PICP guys seem to be doing really well and getting fantastic results.

I dunno what your definition of fantastic results is… I’m presuming a positive change to a client's body composition? I am only familiar with the modus operandi of one of those folks mentioned and I can tell you that they focus mainly on fat loss (certainly strength goals didn't seem to be as important...)

You have the training side of things down already so I can’t see how doing that PICP course is going to help you in that regard? As you are starting out as a PT I imagine you are looking at where most of the money is. And we all know that most folks hire a PT to change their body composition, not usually to increase strength.

The main focus of those trainers who get the (fat loss?) results is diet. And that entails haranguing someone until they eventually change.

It’s following up with them every week:

• How did you get on?
• What did you eat?
• How much protein did you eat every day?
• What did you weigh in at this week?
• What are your body fat levels this week?
• Why are they the same as or up on last week’s?
• Did you keep a food diary? Where is it? Let me see it. You can’t train with me unless you provide a food diary every week.
  
• Don't eat this, that or the other cause its full of sugar.
• You are only allowed 1 cheat meal so why did you eat more than 1 cheat meal?
• How often did you train this week?
• What time did you go to sleep at each night?
• What time did you wake up at?
• Go away and write down 100 reasons why you want to stay fat. Then next week write down 100 reasons why you want to lose fat, etc

Then you end up with someone who has the beginnings of an eating disorder (or maybe that's just me...)

Transform

Red Cortina wrote: »

I dunno what your definition of fantastic results is… I’m presuming a positive change to a client's body composition? I am only familiar with the modus operandi of one of those folks mentioned and I can tell you that they focus mainly on fat loss (certainly strength goals didn't seem to be as important...)

You have the training side of things down already so I can’t see how doing that PICP course is going to help you in that regard? As you are starting out as a PT I imagine you are looking at where most of the money is. And we all know that most folks hire a PT to change their body composition, not usually to increase strength.

The main focus of those trainers who get the (fat loss?) results is diet. And that entails haranguing someone until they eventually change.

It’s following up with them every week:

• How did you get on?
• What did you eat?
• How much protein did you eat every day?
• What did you weigh in at this week?
• What are your body fat levels this week?
• Why are they the same as or up on last week’s?
• Did you keep a food diary? Where is it? Let me see it. You can’t train with me unless you provide a food diary every week.
  
• Don't eat this, that or the other cause its full of sugar.
• You are only allowed 1 cheat meal so why did you eat more than 1 cheat meal?
• How often did you train this week?
• What time did you go to sleep at each night?
• What time did you wake up at?
• Go away and write down 100 reasons why you want to stay fat. Then next week write down 100 reasons why you want to lose fat, etc

Then you end up with someone who has the beginnings of an eating disorder (or maybe that's just me...)

Totally agree with all of that.

I Spent far too many years pushing training as the solution, then more years thinking training and nutrition to be the final answer.

No point in having more nutrition and training knowledge if people won't comply with what you are doing. I now spend more time working on motivating and keeping clients motivated than worrying excessively about the minutiae of diet and training (please note that's for the joe blogs average client NOT the athlete).

Find a course/class on that.

IMO from any of the poliquin trained guys and gals I have worked with there CAN be at times an excessive amount of stick and not enough carrot which I think is something that was rubbed off poliquin himself who I found to be an amazing teacher but more than a little dogmatic. However I think if you spent as long as he has in the industry then you too would become intolerant of stupid questions and want to just get people to do the training/diet that you know will work if people just stuck to the dam plan.

JayRoc

The Level 1 doesn't really contain anything groundbreaking that I saw, or much that someone reasonably well-read wouldn't have come across before.

There's an effort to illustrate what practical applications (particularly in regard to coaching athletes) any methodology being discussed would have, which is laudable... but it's balanced by very Poliquin-esque nuggets of such weirdly arbitrary information and theory that you're almost suspicious that somebody's taking the piss. Maybe it was just me.

To be honest, I just had such a negative experience dealing with the Poliquin organisation as a whole that it's probably coloured my attitude a little. I would certainly never give him a cent again.