Israeli official advocates starving Iranian people.

Brown Bomber

In line with other official Israeli policies of intentional near-starving of the entire Gazan population and also with the sickening conclusions of Madeleine Albright who considered the sanctions on Iraq which apparently killed 500,000 Iraqi children "worth it". An Israeli official has called for the starving of the Iranian population.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbIX1CP9qr4

The Israeli official thinks that (lack of) food should used as a weapon to collectively punish the Iranian population to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

"Suffocating sanctions could lead to a grave economic situation in Iran and to a shortage of food," the source said. "This would force the regime to consider whether the nuclear adventure is worthwhile
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4196885,00.html

The depravity of this policy aside I fail to see how it would actually work. It would be my opinion that hardships caused by external enemies would only bind the Iranian people closer together and unify political foes against the common enemy.

Yonge Street

The inexplicable obsession with the tiny democratic state in the Middle East continues. If there is no current thread denouncing Israel as evil, trawl the internet to find a reason to start a new one. You seem to be a single-issue shill poter. No agenda there, eh :rolleyes:

I think you'll find that the ordinary Joe Soap in Ireland is more concerned about his job, his mortgage and his family. Why isn't this story making the headlines on RTE news, or any other news station in the world for that matter. I would guess (a) because it's false anti-semitic trash (b) nobody cares outside of the raving loonies in the IPSC.

Also congrats on Godwin'ing your own thread in the OP. Impressive.

Jaafa

You really do wonder do these officials have any sort of higher reasoning. Ignoring the horrific nature of the statements lets just look at the practicality of such a plan.

Iran is no north korea, it is not isolated and it is not struggling. Any reports suggesting otherwise are just showcasing temporary hits to it's otherwise staggering progress economically and scientifically. From which it has always recovered becoming more from western countries independent in the process.

Despite multiple sanctions from 8 countries plus the EU and 6 UN sanctions since 1979 the Iranian economy recently became 17th in the world in PPP(Purchasing power parity). Surpassing Poland, Australia and Taiwan.

Its contribution to world science has increased at 11 times the world rate between 1980-2009. Combining the scientific output of Iran and Turkey (if you go by order it goes Turkey,Iran,Israel) you get a result bigger than the rest of the middle east put together, including Israel. Link.

Taking the above into account it's clear that unlike North Korea, 'isolation' and sanctions has entirely failed in Iran and one must wonder if they are actually doing the opposite of their intended goals. As the above paper says

The astronomical growth of the Iranian system may have been the result of a reaction to the isolation that the country experienced during the Iraq-Iran war. Indeed,the fact that so many countries sided with Iraq at the time may have incited the Persian republic to mobilize its scientists to develop nuclear capabilities.

TLDR: Sanctions don't work on Iran. Try something else.

Jaafa

Yonge Street wrote: »

The inexplicable obsession with the tiny democratic state in the Middle East continues. If there is no current thread denouncing Israel as evil, trawl the internet to find a reason to start a new one. You seem to be a single-issue shill poter. No agenda there, eh :rolleyes:

I think you'll find that the ordinary Joe Soap in Ireland is more concerned about his job, his mortgage and his family. Why isn't this story making the headlines on RTE news, or any other news station in the world for that matter. I would guess (a) because it's false anti-semitic trash (b) nobody cares outside of the raving loonies in the IPSC.

Also congrats on Godwin'ing your own thread in the OP. Impressive.

Considering this is an article from the website of the most read newspaper in Israel, it seems you haven't a leg to stand on. Educate yourself.

K-9

Yonge Street wrote: »

The inexplicable obsession with the tiny democratic state in the Middle East continues. If there is no current thread denouncing Israel as evil, trawl the internet to find a reason to start a new one. You seem to be a single-issue shill poter. No agenda there, eh :rolleyes:

I think you'll find that the ordinary Joe Soap in Ireland is more concerned about his job, his mortgage and his family. Why isn't this story making the headlines on RTE news, or any other news station in the world for that matter. I would guess (a) because it's false anti-semitic trash (b) nobody cares outside of the raving loonies in the IPSC.

Also congrats on Godwin'ing your own thread in the OP. Impressive.

Mod

Attack the post please, not the poster.

The ordinary Joe Soap is still concerned about many different issues despite job, mortgage or family concerns.

RichieC

Yonge Street wrote: »

The inexplicable obsession with the tiny democratic state in the Middle East continues. If there is no current thread denouncing Israel as evil, trawl the internet to find a reason to start a new one. You seem to be a single-issue shill poter. No agenda there, eh :rolleyes:

I think you'll find that the ordinary Joe Soap in Ireland is more concerned about his job, his mortgage and his family. Why isn't this story making the headlines on RTE news, or any other news station in the world for that matter. I would guess (a) because it's false anti-semitic trash (b) nobody cares outside of the raving loonies in the IPSC.

Also congrats on Godwin'ing your own thread in the OP. Impressive.

A tiny democratic state with the fourth largest military on earth.

Foghladh

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Ironically, Hitler also used food as a weapon.

Now there's a rational follow through. Well done on managing to compare the Israelis to the Nazis through the cunning use of food

RichieC

Foghladh wrote: »

Now there's a rational follow through. Well done on managing to compare the Israelis to the Nazis through the cunning use of food

What about the ghettofied Palestinians in Gaza? the surrounding and choking off of Palestinian towns in the wider region? the two tiered legal system inside Israel?

There's plenty of analogues.

Foghladh

RichieC wrote: »

What about the ghettofied Palestinians in Gaza? the surrounding and choking off of Palestinian towns in the wider region? the two tiered legal system inside Israel?

There's plenty of analogues.

True. Of course one could also draw on the dislike of Jewish type people shared by both Hitler and the Iranians. Hitler can be used in many ways if you put your mind to it.

It still makes feck all sense in a debate though.

Pacifist Pigeon

News headline:

"Iranian officials advocate wiping Israel off the face of the map, killing gays, treating women as second class citizen, denying the rights of religious minorities and theocratic dictatorship - all at the same time" - Shock, horror!

Yonge Street

RichieC wrote: »

A tiny democratic state with the fourth largest military on earth.

Lies. Largest militaries on Earth in order are: China, USA, India, North Korea, Russia. Israel ranks #30.

No matter what criteria you measure the largest military by (number of reserves, by spending, etc..) you are incorrect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops

K-9

Mod

Can't see this thread lasting long if posters just want to post "witty" retorts or ignore the wider issue in the OP.

Attack the post, OP edited to stop Godwin references, passe and predictable at this stage.

Foghladh

As far as the article goes it doesn't really say very much. It's an unnamed official in an unspecified role advocating the use of sanctions. It could be the deputy prime minister or it could be the guy who processes driving license applications in some town hall somewhere in Jerusalem. It's a bit of a non-runner really

BlaasForRafa

Jaafa wrote: »

You really do wonder do these officials have any sort of higher reasoning. Ignoring the horrific nature of the statements lets just look at the practicality of such a plan..

The article that the OP links to dosen't name this official, and without knowing who it is we can't tell if it is actually a serious statement or someone just spitballing.

Ynet news is not as reliable a source of information as ha'aretz and there isn't anything about this on there.

JustinDee

Brown Bomber wrote: »

In line with other official Israeli policies of intentional near-starving of the entire Gazan population and also with the sickening conclusions of Madeleine Albright who considered the sanctions on Iraq which apparently killed 500,000 Iraqi children "worth it". An Israeli official has called for the starving of the Iranian population.

The Israeli official thinks that (lack of) food should used as a weapon to collectively punish the Iranian population to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.


The depravity of this policy aside I fail to see how it would actually work. It would be my opinion that hardships caused by external enemies would only bind the Iranian people closer together and unify political foes against the common enemy.

Name the alleged official. Can't? Thats because its an allegation on YNet.

On sanctions themselves, the threat of structural supply cut is one of the effects that a regime being sanctioned risks, hence said kind of sanction being pre-emptive to any other actions if diplomacy fails.
The thing is however, there are Pilgerists who moan about dictators/regimes and that something should be done about them. Something gets done (ie. sanctions imposed) and its "what about the children??!!". The only other alternatives outside of diplomacy are military action, covert action or steering regime change (which can take years).

The Saint

Non-story. Could be anyone spouting off. Yedioth Ahronoth is a rag with borderline lunatic editorials.

hatrickpatrick

Yonge Street wrote: »

The inexplicable obsession with the tiny democratic

Stopped reading there.
A democracy does not discriminate based on religion, nor does a democracy deliberately exclude the majority of the population from participating in democracy in order to preserve the supremacy of a particular ethnic group.
Furthermore, a democracy does not bulldoze the homes of members of one group in order to steal their land and make room for homes of a different group.

It's called racism.

Brown Bomber

Yonge Street wrote: »

The inexplicable obsession with the tiny democratic state in the Middle East continues. If there is no current thread denouncing Israel as evil, trawl the internet to find a reason to start a new one. You seem to be a single-issue shill poter. No agenda there, eh :rolleyes:

My agenda, if there was one would be anti-forced-starvation of an innocent population. I would expect any decent minded person to share this "agenda".

Yonge Street wrote: »

I think you'll find that the ordinary Joe Soap in Ireland is more concerned about his job, his mortgage and his family. Why isn't this story making the headlines on RTE news, or any other news station in the world for that matter. I would guess (a) because it's false anti-semitic trash (b) nobody cares outside of the raving loonies in the IPSC.

Regarding (a) As Jaafa has already pointed out you are highlighting your own ignorance with your nonsensical claims that YNET is "anti-semitic trash".
Regarding (b) Evidently you care.

Yonge Street wrote: »

Also congrats on Godwin'ing your own thread in the OP. Impressive.

Congrats on playing the anti-semitic card in your own opening post. Impressive.

Of course, nevermind that should this policy come to fruition that Iranian Jews would also be starved.

Brown Bomber

Foghladh wrote: »

Now there's a rational follow through. Well done on managing to compare the Israelis to the Nazis through the cunning use of food

If the jackboot fits...

The feeding of the prisoners:
Prisoners in the camp received meals three times a day: morning, noon, and evening. Factors influencing the nutritional value of the food included the official nutritional norms in the Nazi concentration camps. In practice, Auschwitz prisoners with less physically demanding labor assignments received approximately 1,300 calories per day, while those engaged in hard labor received approximately 1,700. After several weeks on such starvation rations in the camp, most prisoners began to experience organic deterioration that led to the so-called "Muzulman" state, extreme physical exhaustion that ended in death.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...onditions.html

The current Netanyahu governent also meticulously calculated the minumum calorie intake levels for Gazan people to survive on near-starvation levels and only permitted these levels of food to enter Gaza.

Brown Bomber

The Saint wrote: »

Non-story. Could be anyone spouting off. Yedioth Ahronoth is a rag with borderline lunatic editorials.

Could be but Israel does have very recent previous with restricting food to entire populations.
http://www.medialens.org/alerts/10/101117_put_the_palestinians.php

JustinDee

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Could be but Israel does have very recent previous with restricting food to entire populations.
http://www.medialens.org/alerts/10/101117_put_the_palestinians.php

So does anyone who enforces sanctions on medical and food products. The point of an economic or aid sanction is to use the lack thereof as a determinant point of leverage leading to a satisfactory conclusion or at the very least, some semblance of diplomatic channels.
Otherwise, its a waste of time.
Alternatively, one could just sit on their hands and pretend nothing is going on.

Speaking of democracy, when was it that the elections in Gaza were due to take place? Only been 6 years now that the Hamas regime have the run of the place with no opposition existing or permitted.

the_syco

Pacifist Pigeon wrote: »

News headline:

"Iranian officials advocate wiping Israel off the face of the map, killing gays, treating women as second class citizen, denying the rights of religious minorities and theocratic dictatorship - all at the same time" - Shock, horror!

Ah, but the Iranians are the victims (who are also trying to build nukes) so we'll ignore all of that...

czx

RichieC wrote: »

A tiny democratic state with the fourth largest military on earth.

Just shows how out of touch you are

RichieC

czx wrote: »

Just shows how out of touch you are

I don't believe so. their military spending is one of the highest on earth as a % of GDP. 3rd highest per capita and they literally have the US military in their back pocket.

You could easily argue that they, in realistic terms, have the largest military.

Yonge Street

RichieC wrote: »

I don't believe so. their military spending is one of the highest on earth as a % of GDP. 3rd highest per capita and they literally have the US military in their back pocket.

You could easily argue that they, in realistic terms, have the largest military.

You're moving the goalposts now that your lies have been revealed.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

you could, but you'd be wrong and wrong on purpose to suit your political opinions.

Brown Bomber

JustinDee wrote: »

So does anyone who enforces sanctions on medical and food products. The point of an economic or aid sanction is to use the lack thereof as a determinant point of leverage leading to a satisfactory conclusion or at the very least, some semblance of diplomatic channels.
Otherwise, its a waste of time.
Alternatively, one could just sit on their hands and pretend nothing is going on.

Surely you are cognisant of the false dichotomy you have just presented? Surely you are aware that are more than the two options of "just sitting on our hands" and intentionally starving people?

Your description of a potential programme of forced mass starvation as a "point of leverage" genuinely disgusts me.

You would likely be locked-up for intentionally starving a dog. We are talking about literally millions of people here.

JustinDee wrote: »

Speaking of democracy, when was it that the elections in Gaza were due to take place? Only been 6 years now that the Hamas regime have the run of the place with no opposition existing or permitted.

You'll find that there was "opposition existing" as soon as the people of Palestine voted the wrong way in elections. Fatah backed by the US and Israel attempted a military coup.

RichieC

Yonge Street wrote: »

You're moving the goalposts now that your lies have been revealed.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

you could, but you'd be wrong and wrong on purpose to suit your political opinions.

You might call it moving the goal posts, I consider it acknowledging reality.

Israel is a massive military power whatever way you cut it. We aren't even sure what their nuclear capability is but it is suspected that they are 3rd or 4th with 250+ warheads, and a bio warfare division.

You guys wish to paint them as a "tiny democracy" - to suit your agenda.

moresthepity82

i dont know how Pro-Israelites can sleep at night

the regime openly refers to the state as "Jewish". I'm surprised the non-jewish populations have remained there, if this is what "their" government thinks of them

they did all they could to ensure most of the Arabs left anyway

JustinDee

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Surely you are cognisant of the false dichotomy you have just presented? Surely you are aware that are more than the two options of "just sitting on our hands" and intentionally starving people?

I already have described more than two options.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Your description of a potential programme of forced mass starvation as a "point of leverage" genuinely disgusts me.

You would likely be locked-up for intentionally starving a dog. We are talking about literally millions of people here

Whoa there, fella. I'm just describing how the machinations of economic and medical sanctions. This doesn't mean I support everything about it.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You'll find that there was "opposition existing" as soon as the people of Palestine voted the wrong way in elections. Fatah backed by the US and Israel attempted a military coup.

Since Hamas came to power (early 2006 unless I'm much mistaken) there has been no opposition allowed and a number of purges have taken place at opportune moments. There is no opposition for the simple reason that Hamas won't allow it.
Attempting to justify how Hamas run Gaza unopposed and bleat about democracy, human rights etc.

Nodin

Brown Bomber wrote: »

My agenda, if there was one would be anti-forced-starvation of an innocent population. I would expect any decent minded person to share this "agenda".

...........

There's no realistic prospect of any such thing happening in the short to medium term. At all.

Dirk Gently

Pacifist Pigeon wrote: »

News headline:

"Iranian officials advocate wiping Israel off the face of the map, killing gays, treating women as second class citizen, denying the rights of religious minorities and theocratic dictatorship - all at the same time" - Shock, horror!

sounds just like a US republican presidential campaign.

timothybryce

Dirk Gently wrote: »

sounds just like a US republican presidential campaign.

Who said that?

Pacifist Pigeon

Dirk Gently wrote: »

sounds just like a US republican presidential campaign.

An average US republican wouldn't exactly be against the notion of a theocracy or killing gays, more like tacit agreement.

BlaasForRafa

moresthepity82 wrote: »

i dont know how Pro-Israelites can sleep at night

the regime openly refers to the state as "Jewish".

Which constitution is the following from, I'll delete the name so you can take a guess...

In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,
We, the people of ****,
Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,
Gratefully remembering their heroic and unremitting struggle to regain the rightful independence of our Nation,
And seeking to promote the common good, with due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity, so that the dignity and freedom of the individual may be assured, true social order attained, the unity of our country restored, and concord established with other nations,
Do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this Constitution.

czx

RichieC wrote: »

You might call it moving the goal posts, I consider it acknowledging reality.

Israel is a massive military power whatever way you cut it. We aren't even sure what their nuclear capability is but it is suspected that they are 3rd or 4th with 250+ warheads, and a bio warfare division.

You guys wish to paint them as a "tiny democracy" - to suit your agenda.

Israel is far closer to being a tiny democracy than the 4th greatest military power on earth. It has a population of less than 8 million and has an area of less than half the size of Ireland. These are facts, unlike your straight up lies and speculation.

Brown Bomber

czx wrote: »

Israel is far closer to being a tiny democracy than the 4th greatest military power on earth.

Hardly. According to globalfirepower.com's analysis Israel is ranked 10th overall in the world on military strength.

Brown Bomber

Nodin wrote: »

There's no realistic prospect of any such thing happening in the short to medium term. At all.

I would have said that there is no realistic prospect that Mossad would be posing as their supposed allies in the CIA to recruit Jundullah terrorists to kill Iranian civilians inside Iran to create tension and distrust between Tehran and Washington. I would have been wrong.

Brown Bomber

JustinDee wrote: »

I already have described more than two options.
Whoa there, fella. I'm just describing how the machinations of economic and medical sanctions. This doesn't mean I support everything about it.

I'm getting mixed messages from you. Could you please clarify if you are against any policy of mass starvation regardless of any real, imagined or fabricated for expediency existensial threat,

JustinDee wrote: »

Since Hamas came to power (early 2006 unless I'm much mistaken) there has been no opposition allowed and a number of purges have taken place at opportune moments. There is no opposition for the simple reason that Hamas won't allow it.
Attempting to justify how Hamas run Gaza unopposed and bleat about democracy, human rights etc.

I have no idea why you are talking about Hamas. It's wholly irrelevant. Though, FWIW, they, or more accurately their support are a good example of people being pushed towards extremism and nationalism via siege mentality when they are treated like dogs by an external enemy.

Which is why putting the Iranian people on a diet would be counter-productive.

Nodin

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I would have said that there is no realistic prospect that Mossad would be posing as their supposed allies in the CIA to recruit Jundullah terrorists to kill Iranian civilians inside Iran to create tension and distrust between Tehran and Washington. I would have been wrong.

A rather hare-brained comparison.

Do please outline how a blockade of Irans food supply - to the extent that would cause food shortages - would be carried out.

Brown Bomber

Nodin wrote: »

A rather hare-brained comparison.

On the contrary. Covert operations against Iran and sanctions were both two of the five pillars of action to be taken simultaneously by The US/Israel as suggested by then Mossad Chief Meir Dagan.

Nodin wrote: »

Do please outline how a blockade of Irans food supply - to the extent that would cause food shortages - would be carried out.

And why would I need to that? I never suggested so. Any food shortages would arise due gaps between production/imports and consumption. The gap (food shortages) being greater the more succesful the sanctions are.

The sanctions have already impacted the diets of primarily working class Iranian people.

More evidence emerged of the crippling impact of new sanctions on Iran, with international traders saying Tehran is having trouble buying rice, cooking oil and other staples to feed its 74 million people weeks before an election.

New US financial sanctions imposed since the beginning of this year to punish Tehran over its nuclear programme are playing havoc with Iran's ability to buy imports and receive payment for its oil exports, commodities traders said.

Iran denies that sanctions are causing serious harm to its economy, but Reuters investigations in recent days with commodities traders around the globe show serious disruptions to its imports. That is having a real impact on the streets of Iran, where prices for basic foodstuffs are soaring.

South Korean President Lee Myung-bak was in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday, the latest leader of a major Asian oil importing country to visit the Middle East seeking alternative sources of oil as sanctions make it more difficult to import from Iran.

Traders in Asia told Reuters that Malaysian exporters of palm oil - the source of half of Iran's consumption of a food staple used to make margarine and confectionary - had halted sales to Iran because they could not get paid.

That followed news on Monday that Iran had defaulted on payments for rice from top supplier India, and news last week that Ukrainian shipments of maize had been cut nearly in half.

Rice is one of the main staples of the Iranian diet. With the rial currency plummeting, prices have more than doubled to $5 a kilo at bazaars in Iran from about $2 last year.

Maize is used primarily as animal feed, and the cost of meat has almost tripled to about $30 a kilo, beyond the budget of many middle class Iranian families.
http://www.tradearabia.com/news/FOOD_212359.html

This is not enough for the Israeli official quoted in the YNET article.

"Suffocating sanctions could lead to a grave economic situation in Iran and to a shortage of food," the source said. "This would force the regime to consider whether the nuclear adventure is worthwhile
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...196885,00.html

He wants to punish the ordinary people of Iran not the regime. This is a barbaric policy.

Nodin

Brown Bomber wrote: »

On the contrary. Covert operations against Iran and sanctions were both two of the five pillars of action to be taken simultaneously by The US/Israel as suggested by then Mossad Chief Meir Dagan. .

Comparing an alleged covert operation to imposing crushing food shortages and mass starvation on a large state is rather silly. I suspect you know this, and just want to start another line of discussion.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

And why would I need to that? .

...because in posts 19, 20, 27 and 38 you speak of it as if its a real possibility.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

This is not enough for the Israeli official quoted in the YNET article.
He wants to punish the ordinary people of Iran not the regime. This is a barbaric policy.

It isn't as of yet a policy. Even if it was Israeli policy, they'd then have to get a great deal of assistance to implement it.

The Israeli

A replay to the first post:

The people in Gaza aren't starving. Proved countless times.

Minister Liberman and the prime commander of IDF are preparing a solution to the Muslim Alawite refuges that might come to seek shelter in Israel if and when Assad falls.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2012/January/Israel-Prepares-to-Shelter-Syrian-Refugees/

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4173814,00.html

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-chief-israel-ready-to-absorb-some-syria-refugees-once-assad-falls-1.406487

I couldn't find a source in English for Liberman's words, yet.

Israel plans to starve Iranians? What a poo..
You have completely twisted your source's words..

czx

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Hardly. According to globalfirepower.com's analysis Israel is ranked 10th overall in the world on military strength.

ya nice one. It also ranks Israel ahead of Germany. Israel buys it's submarines from Germany

hatrickpatrick

I ask again, how does anyone justify calling Israel a "democracy"?

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Stopped reading there.
A democracy does not discriminate based on religion, nor does a democracy deliberately exclude the majority of the population from participating in democracy in order to preserve the supremacy of a particular ethnic group.
Furthermore, a democracy does not bulldoze the homes of members of one group in order to steal their land and make room for homes of a different group.

It's called racism.

Either the west Bank and East Jerusalem are within the borders of the Israeli state or they're not. If they're not, the Israelis don't have a right to legal jurisdiction over a single square centimetre of them. If they are, then every Palestinian living in them should have a vote - but of course then they would outnumber the Israelis living there, and we couldn't have that now could we?

I'd have no problem whatsoever with Israel if they weren't mucking around with their border. Expansion in 1967 was fundamentally wrong on every level, and the situation which exists now as a consequence is profoundly undemocratic.

Either they claim sovereignty over those lands or they don't. If they do, the Palestinians, regardless of their impact on the Jewish majority, have the right to representation.

Otherwise, Israel is not a democracy.
There's no grey area here. Choose one or the other.

RichieC

czx wrote: »

Israel is far closer to being a tiny democracy than the 4th greatest military power on earth. It has a population of less than 8 million and has an area of less than half the size of Ireland. These are facts, unlike your straight up lies and speculation.

A malleable old reality, isn't it.

Brown Bomber

czx wrote: »

ya nice one. It also ranks Israel ahead of Germany. Israel buys it's submarines from Germany

It's based on statistical analysis of almost fifty factors; not who buys submarines from who.

Brown Bomber

Nodin wrote: »

Comparing an alleged covert operation to imposing crushing food shortages and mass starvation on a large state is rather silly. I suspect you know this, and just want to start another line of discussion.

...because in posts 19, 20, 27 and 38 you speak of it as if its a real possibility.

It isn't as of yet a policy. Even if it was Israeli policy, they'd then have to get a great deal of assistance to implement it.

The comparison only served to demonstrate that from the Israeli perspective human life of an enemy is inconsequential at best. When you fund and supply terrorists to kill civilians then evidently you treat human life with disdain.

The only person that has made any mention of a blockade in the whole thread is you. I have just explained to you that the Israeli official calls for food shortages through sanctions not a blockade.

Brown Bomber

The Israeli wrote: »

A replay to the first post:

The people in Gaza aren't starving. Proved countless times.

Did you read the report from Isreali human rights group Gisha? Through a freedom of information request they obtained documents that the Israeli regime were intentionally calculating the bare minimum of calories that Gazan's could survive on and only allowing this minimum of food in.

The Israeli wrote: »

Israel plans to starve Iranians? What a poo..
You have completely twisted your source's words..

Nonsense. I'll show you.

This is what the Israeli official said:

"Suffocating sanctions could lead to a grave economic situation in Iran and to a shortage of food," the source said. "This would force the regime to consider whether the nuclear adventure is worthwhile
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...196885,00.html

This is the relevant definition of starve:

transitive verb
1
a : to kill with hunger b : to deprive of nourishment c : to cause to capitulate by or as if by depriving of nourishment

2
: to destroy by or cause to suffer from deprivation

3
archaic : to kill with cold

To cause to capitulate by depriving of nourishment is exactly what the Israeli official suggests.

Nodin

Brown Bomber wrote: »

The comparison only served to demonstrate that from the Israeli perspective human life of an enemy is inconsequential at best. .

.....which makes them much the same as everyone else, really.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

The only person that has made any mention of a blockade in the whole thread is you. I have just explained to you that the Israeli official calls for food shortages through sanctions not a blockade.

...and thats somehow more likely?

Brown Bomber

Nodin wrote: »

.....which makes them much the same as everyone else, really.

Well no. In the two examples I have spoken of - the forced starvation of the Gazan population and the posing as Americans to fund and train Sunni terrorists to murder innocent Iranians put's them in a league with other war criminals which is not "the same as everybody else".

Nodin wrote: »

...and thats somehow more likely?

Yes. As I've already pointed out the sanctions are already leading to food shortages in Iran.