So Dunphy thinks he know's more about football then Trapp

electrobanana

What a muppet.
Dunphy blasts 'amateur and arrogant' Trap

Thursday, 1 March 2012 13:24
RTÉ soccer pundit Eamon Dunphy has labelled the Republic of Ireland's performance in the 1-1 friendly draw with the Czech Republic as "embarrassing", and blasted Giovanni Trapattoni as "amateurish and arrogant".

The outspoken former international, speaking to Darragh Maloney on Morning Ireland on RTÉ Radio 1, also stated that if the manager does not change his approach Ireland will be "humiliated" at this summer's European Championships.

"It was a very disappointing performance", Dunphy claimed. "We were completely outplayed by a pretty ordinary Czech side who struggled to qualify (for Euro 2012).

"It was embarrassing at times the amount of possession they had. They looked like Barcelona. It was a badly set-up Irish team and a bit of a shambles."

"If we play like that in the championships we will be humiliated and embarrassed."

Dunphy also castigated Trapattoni's treatment of James McClean. "James McClean is a fantastic kid and he was treated very badly by Giovanni Trapattoni. In my view he should have been given 90 minutes, or at least 45 minutes. To give him 11 minutes at the end was insulting.

"Obviously the kid was thrilled but [how he was treated] was not professional."

Dunphy continued by claiming that Trapattoni's "amateurish" approach to the game is not liked by the majority of Irish footballing people, and that the veteran Italian has no respect for the quality of the Irish players.

"There is an amateurish and almost arrogant approach by Trapattoni that is depressing. I think [this opinion[ is shared by nearly everyone. I watched Sky's coverage of the game and Ray Houghton was baffled by what he was watching as well."

"It was baffling both tactically and in terms of personnel. Putting Paul Green and Stephen Hunt on before McClean and James McCarthy was stupid and there is no reason to it.

"This coach thinks he knows more about football than we do but he doesn't. He is making grotesque mistakes. He was fortunate to qualify, and he has very little support amongst the football community in this country now."

"He is arrogant because he thinks his system, which has been shown up repeatedly, and again by the Czech Republic, is the key to our success. He does not respect our players. He thinks he is managing Mongolia, or that we are some third-world footballing nation.

"We have some outstanding players and we should be able, and confident enough, to go out and play good football, as we tend to do when we need to get a goal."

"The goal we got against the Czechs was an outstanding strike by Simon Cox, and Keith Andrews did very well to close down his opponent and win the ball.

"We should have been playing like that from the start of the match, and we should always be playing like that. We should be on the front foot, looking to do the best we can and showing our players up in the best light."

"The way (Trapattoni) has the team playing is a disgrace and it is wrong. It is not popular to say this because he managed to qualify for Euro 2012, but if we go to the championship we need, in the interest of the game in this country and the players, to do things differently to the way they are being done right now."

Jimmy Iovine

He makes a few valid points in fairness.

I wouldn't take him too seriously. It's clear to see what Dunphy is about really.

I listen to what I want to hear from him. Anything else that I think is ridiculous I just put down to him being a complete troll.

electrobanana

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

He makes a few valid points in fairness.

I wouldn't take him too seriously. It's clear to see what Dunphy is about really.

I listen to what I want to hear from him. Anything else that I think is ridiculous I just put down to him being a complete troll.

He deffo makes some valid points but to come out and say he's knows more about football than trapp is laughable

Jimmy Iovine

electrobanana wrote: »

He deffo makes some valid points but to come out and say he's knows more about football than trapp is laughable

Maybe I'm blind but where does he actually say that? (I've read through it a few times and can't see anything)

Or are you putting words into his mouth to make your argument more valid?

electrobanana

6 paragraphs from the bottom

Leiva

The day i listen t Dunphy is the day i stop watching football . NEVER .

AgileMyth

I agree with him. I want Trap gone as soon as possible.

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Eamon Dunphy, trolling Ireland since 1988



Problem Ireland?

Phoenix Park

I was at it last night and the general concensus of myself and those around me was why the feck do we need to go a goal down before we start playing. In a way i was glad we conceded first last night. If we go a goal down (particularly early on) against Spain or Croatia we need a plan B. We clearly are capable of playing a bit of football when necessary, and i think Dunphy has a valid point in this. Respect to Trap for the role he's played in getting us through, but if we set up like we did last night the best we can hope for is one or two draws. I'd rather see us go out all guns blazing in a hail of bullets :pac:

premierstone

Confirmation that we are in safe hands and ticking along nicely as if we needed it, thanks Eamonn :rolleyes:

darced

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Samich

Why is it such a laughable idea?

Trap isn't doing anything special with Ireland.

Jimmy Iovine

electrobanana wrote: »

6 paragraphs from the bottom

Since when has "we" become "I"?

"This coach thinks he knows more about football than we do but he doesn't. He is making grotesque mistakes. He was fortunate to qualify, and he has very little support amongst the football community in this country now."

I'm not agreeing with Dunphy but there's no need to go spouting off about things that aren't true. Which, incidentally, is part of how Dunphy has made his living.

Sir Gallagher

premierstone wrote: »

Confirmation that we are in safe hands and ticking along nicely as if we needed it, thanks Eamonn :rolleyes:

He's making the same valid points a lot of people made last night.

TaosHum

I dont understand why people actually expect Trap to change things. Going into last nights game, we all knew he wasn't going to change the formation, he wasn't going to change the tactics and he wasn't going to give young guys a chance. He has been like this for the past four years and yet people are still surprised? The majority of people may agree with Dunphy (as I do to an extent), but its getting to the point where hearing the same criticism over and over again is becoming tedious and pointless.

Trap seems to have his 23 man squad already chosen, its just a matter of whether players get injured before the tournament is what will alter things. But I can bet that if Duff or McGeady are ruled out of the tournament, he would call up Liam Lawrance ahead of McClean. As he said himself, he will stand by the guys that got him there and the guys he knows.

Trampas

Trap has come out and said reason my mclean didn't come on earlier was due to fifa ranking points.

means he doesn't trust him.

when cox, walters and mclean came on gave the team a spark.

green and hunt wouldn't be on the plane if was picking the squad. hunt seems off his game

Dunphy has just trolled you OP :pac:

Can't believe he still gets people upset.

What a legend.

wonderboysam

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

electrobanana wrote: »

6 paragraphs from the bottom

Since when has "we" become "I"?.

we includes I?

Jimmy Iovine

wonderboysam wrote: »

we includes I?

But he still didn't come out and say specifically that he himself knows more than Trap.

electrobanana

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Since when has "we" become "I"?

Corholio

"Give us a bite there baby"

And the OP did.

Neil3030

Bad enough the man trolls for a living.

Bad enough that people bite.

Bad enough that he arrogantly claims to represent the majority of football fans in Ireland.

Bad enough that RTE give him airtime on their flagship morning radio news/current affairs programme.

Bad enough that RTE then splatter his comments on the front page of their website as if his opinion actually matters.

Bad enough that we are forced to fund this sh*t with the license fee.

Montrose is trolling us like a boss.

tolosenc

Dunphy labelling someone as amateur and arrogant?

The ironing is delicious.

JayMul

Makes me laugh, Dunphies' been regurgitating the same aul bile since 1988. If we qualify for a tournament the style of football is mediocre, if we don't it's cause the players are mediocre. Can't have it both ways.

We've only ever qualified for tournaments by playing negatively, our most succesful run (1990) was probably our worst display of football ever. We played four atrociously boring matches and we got to the Quarter finals of our first World cup.

Traps a true pro we're extremely lucky to have him in the current climate of terribad managers. O'Neill is the only other credible option and he's never available when we need him.

StephenHendry

have to agree with dunphy, alot of fans would as well. we were awful last night aside from the goal we got which was good, but if we play like that in the euros we could and probably will do badly.

niallo27

Samich wrote: »

Why is it such a laughable idea?

Trap isn't doing anything special with Ireland.

To be the second only manager to get us to a euro championship with a very adverage side is a fairly special achievement.

Bodhisopha

Dunphy is right for once. I can't wait to see the back of Trap. Stumbled our way through qualification and it's declared an act of genius.

Marty McFly

Bodhisopha wrote: »

Dunphy is right for once. I can't wait to see the back of Trap. Stumbled our way through qualification and it's declared an act of genius.

Im with yeh on that one, I know hes only the second manager to get us to the Euros, but we have good quality players in the sqaud who are capable of playing good football weve seenthem do so under Trap but its all to rare. Negative football will kill the game we can play positive and still qualify.

Look at the amount of interest in internaional Ireland games these days, most people dont care I know come the Euros it will be different but friendlies and even qualifiers people just want them over to get back to club football because Ireland matchs have become so incedibly boring and tedious to watch.

Pro. F

niallo27 wrote: »

To be the second only manager to get us to a euro championship with a very adverage side is a fairly special achievement.

The selection of players we have is not very average it is decent. Trap's achievement in qualifying for the tournament is good, but it is not ''fairly special''.

Trampas wrote: »

Trap has come out and said reason my mclean didn't come on earlier was due to fifa ranking points.

means he doesn't trust him.

when cox, walters and mclean came on gave the team a spark.

green and hunt wouldn't be on the plane if was picking the squad. hunt seems off his game

And yet he brought on Green. Madness.

niallo27

Pro. F wrote: »

The selection of players we have is not very average it is decent. Trap's achievement in qualifying for the tournament is good, but it is not ''fairly special''.



And yet he brought on Green. Madness.

There is probaly a mixture of decent players with some very adverage ones, we have no players playing in the top 6 teams of the premiership. I'm not making Trap out to be a genius for getting us there but he deserves a hell of a lot of credit and you could see it meant a lot to him for us to qualify.

EdenHazard

Trap isnt that good and getting us to euros while an achievment is not exactly a miracle, he just got players performing as a unit and got luck. a better manager could do better with talent thats available. whatever about playing spain and saying 'we dont have the players' but czech republic are not good and we have players capable of outplaying them

frank9901

dunphy has a point but as bad as it looks he is getting results

Dempsey

There is no doubt that he's getting results but dont even try to defend the way we give up possession easily, is that part of his tactics? How come we seem to be more purposeful with the ball when we are behind, when his plan A hasnt worked out?

His substitutions also do not make much sense, pointing to the fact that he got us to the euros doesnt defend this. It is clear that he isnt watching our players regularly enough.

Trap is doing good but could be doing better tbh.

Predalien

I do think Trap is arrogant, but he's probably earned the right to be. I also think to some extent he does look down a little on Irish football, he always compares us to Italy, and makes out we don't have a huge amount of choice. We don't have a huge selection of players but he makes it out to be worse than it is, McClean deserved a little longer, Duffy deserved some action, Paul Green is not good enough, there were plenty of mistakes in my opinion but Trap isn't paid to do what I or the majority think, he's paid to do what he thinks is correct, his vindication has been Irish performances when it matters, the only game under his stint where we were beat and always looked like we'd be beat was Russia at home. Aside from that the supposed ordinary players he prefers over some more media hyped players have stepped up when it matters.

EdenHazard

Dempsey wrote: »

There is no doubt that he's getting results but dont even try to defend the way we give up possession easily, is that part of his tactics? How come we seem to be more purposeful with the ball when we are behind, when his plan A hasnt worked out?

His substitutions also do not make much sense, pointing to the fact that he got us to the euros doesnt defend this. It is clear that he isnt watching our players regularly enough.

Trap is doing good but could be doing better tbh.

Exactly, Trap's good but not amazing. He's holding the players back, why I don't know, it has no advantage. We're not talking about playing 4-3-3 with wingers who don't defence and full backs who constantly bomb forward, just good possesssion football, there is NO downfall to that. Passing the ball would OPTIMISE results

pebbles21

Trapp is a genius ..I know his game ...he will make sure they play the most boring football on the planet...

Then come the Euros...he will "unleash" them!!....Watch the shock on the Spanish/Italians/Croats faces....as they..:eek:*just woke up*

Richard Hillman

Dunphy is going to go on a serious campaign against Trap in the next few months to boost sales of The Star and RTEs ratings for the euros.

KeithAFC

Trapattoni is a genius. He somehow managed to get that squad into the European championships which is a miracle when you consider the squad is full of average players. He should be highly respected for what he has achieved.

EdenHazard

Give it over

cournioni

This is coming from the same man that had been spouting sh1te about Andy Reid for a couple of years, where is he now exactly?

As other people have pointed out on here, Dunphy is nothing but a troll trying to boost sales of his paper with by spewing sensationalist rubbish on a daily basis. Anybody can be a Dunphy, all you have to do is go down to your local and find the most opinionated, obnoxious and irritating bollox with little or no knowledge of football and you've got your man.

Another reason to avoid RTE and tabloid newspapers.

dreamers75

cournioni wrote: »

This is coming from the same man that had been spouting sh1te about Andy Reid for a couple of years, where is he now exactly?

behind me in the q for a kebab.

inmyday

Dempsey wrote: »

There is no doubt that he's getting results but dont even try to defend the way we give up possession easily, is that part of his tactics? How come we seem to be more purposeful with the ball when we are behind, when his plan A hasnt worked out?

His substitutions also do not make much sense, pointing to the fact that he got us to the euros doesnt defend this. It is clear that he isnt watching our players regularly enough.

Trap is doing good but could be doing better tbh.

I agree with this, they didnt last night.

The main problem that I think is that shay Given played 90mins. The management know him, whats was the point of giving him an extra cap in a friendly????
Why o why doesnt one of the back up keepers get some caps and experience of playing a full international with the rest of defence. Because seriously, if Given gets injured before or during the euros, we are really screwed. I think we will concede more than 10 goals in the group. How can you throw a back up keeper into the deep end without him ever playing with his defence.

noodler

cournioni wrote: »

This is coming from the same man that had been spouting sh1te about Andy Reid for a couple of years, where is he now exactly?

.

The **** does that matter?

He still should have been selected in the squad when he was playing as one of Sunderland's best players.

Corholio

noodler wrote: »

The **** does that matter?

He still should have been selected in the squad when he was playing as one of Sunderland's best players.

You can't be doing that, talking sense. It'll just give them more excuses to wheel out any selection of acoustic guitar, fat jokes.

kryogen

electrobanana wrote: »

He deffo makes some valid points but to come out and say he's knows more about football than trapp is laughable

electrobanana wrote: »

6 paragraphs from the bottom

He doesn't say he knows more then Trap, he actually says "Trap thinks he knows more then we do, he doesn't"

monkey9

I am in no way Trappatoni's biggest fan as Ireland manager and he really annoyed me last night by bringing on Green and Hunt before and instead of McClean and McCarthy. You know what you're getting from the previous two, so why not expand your possibilities by learning what the latter two can do.

But Dunphy's arguement and validity falls down when he calls Trap an amateur!! Ridiculous use of the English language to use in terms of one of the greatest and most professional managers of all time!!

But it's how Dunphy makes his money!!

Blatter

monkey9 wrote: »

I am in no way Trappatoni's biggest fan as Ireland manager and he really annoyed me last night by bringing on Green and Hunt before and instead of McClean and McCarthy. You know what you're getting from the previous two, so why not expand your possibilities by learning what the latter two can do.

But Dunphy's arguement and validity falls down when he calls Trap an amateur!! Ridiculous use of the English language to use in terms of one of the greatest and most professional managers of all time!!

But it's how Dunphy makes his money!!

Dunphy is the master at hyperbole. But if you can cut through it, he does make decent points most of the time.

CongoPowers

KeithAFC wrote: »

Trapattoni is a genius. He somehow managed to get that squad into the European championships which is a miracle when you consider the squad is full of average players. He should be highly respected for what he has achieved.

I more or less agree with this. "Genius" and "miracle" are obviously exaggerations, but yeah. He has done well with the players he has.

You can't be asking Trapattoni to approach these games with "possession football". The players are nowhere near good enough, would be exposed again and again.

I think Ireland's best bet at competing properly is with what Trapattoni has in mind.

monkey9

Blatter wrote: »

Dunphy is the master at hyperbole. But if you can cut through it, he does make decent points most of the time.

Oh i agree with you, Blatter. Even on this overall arguement, i can see where Dunphy is coming from.

I can't stand Trappatoni as our manager. I know he's done brilliant in getting us to the Euro's, only the third manager to have got us to a major tournament. But i'm convinced there are managers out there, maybe even laughable ones at first, who could have get us there on less wages and a bit more excitement with the same results!!

But Dunphy's use of the word 'amateur' is really cringeworthy. You are right, though. All hyperbole, he accuses the target of his ire being opposite to what he actually is! It's where he earns his crust!!

Blatter

CongoPowers wrote: »

I more or less agree with this. "Genius" and "miracle" are obviously exaggerations, but yeah. He has done well with the players he has.

You can't be asking Trapattoni to approach these games with "possession football". The players are nowhere near good enough, would be exposed again and again.

I think Ireland's best bet at competing properly is what Trapattoni has in mind.

You judge the achievement of qualification by the standard of the competition, and it was poor tbh. We got lucky with the draw, blessed to get Slovakia from pot 2 who imploded at the end of the qualifying stages.

We were third seeds, finishing second wasn't as big an achievement that people like to make out when you look at how the group panned out. And then we get Estonia in the play offs. I don't think I need to expand on how lucky that was.

The only decent team we played competitively over the qualifying was Russia, and they played us off the park on both occasions. Ripped us open at ease actually.

I don't think anyone is asking Trap to have us playing like Barcelona. You can still be an extremely organised team and use the ball a lot more constructively than we have been doing. The style we're currently playing is outdated. This idea that playing possession based football leaves you exposed is a myth. Yes, if you play like Barcelona and have a high line with full backs playing as wingers, but nobody's asking for that. See Swansea in the PL for the direction as to where some of us want to see the national team go in. A shoe string budget yet they play fantastic possession based football and are very hard to beat.

aidan24326

KeithAFC wrote: »

Trapattoni is a genius. He somehow managed to get that squad into the European championships which is a miracle when you consider the squad is full of average players. He should be highly respected for what he has achieved.

Look, we were very VERY lucky to qualify. We got a handy group and still needed a couple of fortunate results to get us there, not least the miracles escape in Moscow.

As the previous poster said no-one expects Trap to have us playing like superstars but a bit more positivity would be nice.

It's his stubborness and rigidity that grates with people I think, the fact that he's so resistant to change. If we go 4-4-2 againat Spain for example we'll be crucified, yet all the evidence suggests that Trap won't alter his beloved system for anyone or anything. He doesn't believe the Irish players can actually play so he asks them to run like monkeys instead, but we do have players that can play if they're let.