Hunt

ravima

Hi lads,

Hunt want to go through my land. They day that they are insured and that their policy will cover me in the event of an accident. They have hunted over the land for years, probably 20+.

Now I know that there is a hunt in Cork that is trying to blame the farmer for some accident that happened when they went through his farm.

Anyone know if I should tell them to feck off and run the risk of falling out with neighbours, or should I let them through? what happens if someone falls in my land though - will my insurance go through the roof? Family is split on this. Parents want to let them continue as they have done in the past, but I am now the owner of the land and dont want to lose it! Twas hard enough to get it when I married someone not of 'farming stock'!!!

island of tighe

you better ask her "not of farming stock" what she thinks as she owns half the place!!!!!

Rovi

Your land, you decision.
The politics of relationships between your family, neighbours, and the greater community are unknown to us here, so we can't really give meaningful advice on that.

If the insurance is your main concern, ask them for a copy of their policy and have your own insurance company (and/or your solicitor) have a look at it. Your insurance company will also advise on whether you'd be risking any liability by allowing them access.

foxylock

ravima wrote: »

I am now the owner of the land

Those eight words sum it up for me. You have two feet, put down one of them!

saddlesoap

If you dont want them to go through then dont let them.. its Ur land.

I Hunt and i have fallen off and the last thing i think about is its the farmers fault. Must people who hunt are like this. There gratefull for being left through your land..
In our hunt club the people who are organising the hunt will walk the hunt before hand and open any gaps and clear away anything that will be harmful. Then after the hunt they will close all the gaps and fix anything that was broken.
To have a hunt club you must have insurance and they should show it to you if you ask for it.

PatQfarmer

I used to hunt a lot, and still did a bit this season. If it is a recognised hunt, they should show you the insurance. As saddlesoap says, "proper" hunters wouldn't dream of suing you in case of accident, but you can never be sure.
That said, if you were sued, it would close the country to the hunt, so I'm sure they'd look after it.

grazeaway

Was away over the weekend but was chatting to the ol lad Saturday night. He called in the evening, he out checking the cows when the dogs got very agitated, he could hear people calling dogs in the next field, now our land is used for shooting but anyone that shoots here always comes to him for permission. When he got closer he heard horses and hounds. He was fairly pissed off and when he confronted them about what they were doing on his land and not so much as an apology. Cheeky feckers had no problem opening gates and fences, I fairly sure the same crowd would be fairly annoyed if I went playing football in their gardens.

The fields got a fair doing this year last thing we need is them getting rutted up by a shower of trespassers. That's what they have point to point races for. It probably a good idea I wasn't around as I probably would have lost the plot. That shower better not set foot (or hoof) round here again.

delaval

Ravima
Do you have public liabiity? If you do you got no bother.
Cannot understand peoples problem with hunt is it some deep rooted problem with horses or the riders?

grazeaway

delaval wrote: »

Ravima
Do you have public liabiity? If you do you got no bother.
Cannot understand peoples problem with hunt is it some deep rooted problem with horses or the riders?

Why should I let someone ride through my fields in the middle of winter sure why dont i let a load of lads in track bikes tear them up too, this isn't fairy house. And the point was we didn't allow them on they just let themselves in.

delaval

You didn't answer the question

byhookorbycrook

It would be most unusual for a hunt to go where they do not have permission. if the hounds go onto to land they don't usually hunt, the huntsman will usually follow them to get them out.

Username John

delaval wrote: »

Ravima
Do you have public liabiity? If you do you got no bother.
Cannot understand peoples problem with hunt is it some deep rooted problem with horses or the riders?

I would imagine the fear of being sued is the issue.

What happens if someone from the hunt falls, and then decides to sue the farmer, can the hunt club stop the person in this case?

grazeaway

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

It would be most unusual for a hunt to go where they do not have permission. if the hounds go onto to land they don't usually hunt, the huntsman will usually follow them to get them out.

Doesn't seem to be that unusual. From chatting to some of the neighbours this is fairly common occurrence and they went through a few neighbours fields without permission too. my dad said the last time they crossed our place with horses was about 20 years ago and went straight across the beet and potatoes, we have in calf cows out wintered and they were in the neighbouring field and broke though the fence. I'll be very pissed off if anyone of them throws a calf.

delaval

You let the insurance companies sort it. I am assuming the hunt has insurance.If a farmer is sued no hunt would ever meet again.
All this talk of farmers being sued is purly heresay I doubt anyone knows one person that was sued!
As I said earlier it's something else............

Bizzum

delaval wrote: »

All this talk of farmers being sued is purly heresay I doubt anyone knows one person that was sued!
As I said earlier it's something else............

I know a farmer that was sued. The case was settled out of court but he was sued nonetheless.

"it's something else" you say. What is it?

delaval

If it was settled out of court who paid compo farmer or ins company?
I suspect a lot of the problem with the hunt is because it is still seen as elitist but in fact most hunt members in our area are farmers

grazeaway

delaval wrote: »

You let the insurance companies sort it. I am assuming the hunt has insurance.If a farmer is sued no hunt would ever meet again.
All this talk of farmers being sued is purly heresay I doubt anyone knows one person that was sued!
As I said earlier it's something else............

The suing over some eegit falling from their horse hadn't dawned on me. We have the local gun club and drag hunt around every winter, but they will always ask for premission and will always ask if there are any sheep or cattle so they don't spook them. The hunt just came on without any thought for anyone else except their own fun. So yes it is something else, ignorant pricks thinking they can go anywhere they want whenever they want.

mf240

Those hunt lads are not simple had plenty of hassle with them.

Not a bit uncommon for them to go without permission.

delaval

In our area permission is always sought. What they did in your area is unacceptable

Bizzum

delaval wrote: »

If it was settled out of court who paid compo farmer or ins company?
I suspect a lot of the problem with the hunt is because it is still seen as elitist but in fact most hunt members in our area are farmers

There was a " Sporting Association" involved, the particular sport is irrelevant, but club insurance paid the claim. The farmer is still out of pocket.
In relation to a hunt. Why would I as a farmer invite in a crowd on horseback to break fences, poach ground, and disturb livestock just to catch a fox?
Much simpler to lamp one.

"The unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible" Wilde

namoosh

The registered hunts have insurance to cover loss of livestock etc caused by the hunt. Most hunts advise their members to take out personal insurance as well, its about €75 a year from IFA Countryside and covers most risks associated with field sports. It's a high risk sport and you take your chances I can't see how the farmer can be held liable, particularly if he or she did not give permission to go through their land. The hunts are the guests of the farmers and would take an extremely dim view of anyone, member or otherwise threatening to sue.

grazeaway

[QUOTE
In relation to a hunt. Why would I as a farmer invite in a crowd on horseback to break fences, poach ground, disturb livestock just to catch a fox?

My point exactly

bb12

i would imagine if you give them permission to ride through then you become responsible for health and safety. so if anything goes wrong they could possibly sue you for negligence etc. the local hunts are firmly banned from our land. they just lead to destruction. and after the summer we've just had you'd be mad to let 50+ horses through on wet ground!

namoosh

bb12 wrote: »

i would imagine if you give them permission to ride through then you become responsible for health and safety. so if anything goes wrong they could possibly sue you for negligence etc. the local hunts are firmly banned from our land. they just lead to destruction. and after the summer we've just had you'd be mad to let 50+ horses through on wet ground!

I can't see how as its the riders decision to come across your land, plus you haven't invited them in they've asked to come across.

Bizzum

namoosh wrote: »

I can't see how as its the riders decision to come across your land

Is it the horse that dictates to the rider?

caseman

I told them take a run and jump last year,sick fixing fences after them and poched fields.
A few people very annnoyed with me over it ,our land split some very good hunting ground.

namoosh

Bizzum wrote: »

Is it the horse that dictates to the rider?

The rider makes the decision to get up on the horse, if he or she can't control the horse they shouldn't be there. Riding through livestock is unacceptable as is riding through sown ground, land you haven't permission to be on etc. etc. Pest control is a job for a lad with a gun and a lamp. The hunt is a hobby, I'm amazed it still goes on as there is nothing in it for the farmer who's land they cross apart from poached ground, cut wire, broken fences and blocked ditches.

Username John

delaval wrote: »

You let the insurance companies sort it. I am assuming the hunt has insurance.If a farmer is sued no hunt would ever meet again.
All this talk of farmers being sued is purly heresay I doubt anyone knows one person that was sued!
As I said earlier it's something else............

Hi delaval,

I would imagine the chances are low, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't happen.
My fear would be the hunt would just shrug their shoulders if anything happened, and say "don't you have public liability" to the farmer.

Personally, I wouldn't let the hunt in, or anyone just to run around playing in my fields. But everyone to their own.

byhookorbycrook

Any registered hunt will fence any gaps opened.As to poaching ground, again registered hunts will insist people ride the headlands. except in unplanted stubbles.What hunt had a member that sued?I'd be fairly au fait with what goes on and never heard of this.

Bizzum

namoosh wrote: »

The rider makes the decision to get up on the horse, if he or she can't control the horse they shouldn't be there. Riding through livestock is unacceptable as is riding through sown ground, land you haven't permission to be on etc. etc. Pest control is a job for a lad with a gun and a lamp. The hunt is a hobby, I'm amazed it still goes on as there is nothing in it for the farmer who's land they cross apart from poached ground, cut wire, broken fences and blocked ditches.

Agreed!

Looks like great ol crack though:D.......................But not at my expence.

namoosh

caseman wrote: »

I told them take a run and jump last year,sick fixing fences after them and poched fields.
A few people very annnoyed with me over it ,our land split some very good hunting ground.

My point exactly, if they paid a lad to fence after them, came back the next day and spoke to you to make sure everything was ok and remedied any deficiencies you mightn't be so annoyed. They have to give something back, I'd imagine no chance from the hunt of a bottle or tickets to the hunt ball or point to point as a thanks very much?

namoosh

Bizzum wrote: »

Agreed!

Looks like great ol crack though:D.......................But not at my expence.

It is

byhookorbycrook

Any proper hunt has premission from all landowners,they also send out "stock cards" in advance to these farmers and have fencers in place too.farmers get free passes to the point to points and food in the caterer's tent.

namoosh

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Any registered hunt will fence any gaps opened.As to poaching ground, again registered hunts will insist people ride the headlands. except in unplanted stubbles.What hunt had a member that sued?I'd be fairly au fait with what goes on and never heard of this.

There was one threat fom a visitor to the local drag hunt who was a fat f**k who fell off and threatened to sue the landowner. He was immediately blacklisted by all the local hunts aqnd the error of his ways pointed out to him. He had no case. The farmer in question wont let the hunt through his land since, why should he take the chance!

Bizzum

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Any registered hunt will fence any gaps opened.As to poaching ground, again registered hunts will insist people ride the headlands. except in unplanted stubbles.What hunt had a member that sued?I'd be fairly au fait with what goes on and never heard of this.

Re: fencing. There is fencing and there is fencing. Cutting a high tensile, well strained fence, and simply reconnecting is not fencing.

Re: Hunt member that sued. I didn't say it was a hunt, but a "Sporting Assoc". The same issue though from the farmers point of view.

byhookorbycrook

I figured as much,any registered hunt wouldn't allow such a thing to happen.Fencing tends to be done by professional fencers too.

caseman

namoosh wrote: »

My point exactly, if they paid a lad to fence after them, came back the next day and spoke to you to make sure everything was ok and remedied any deficiencies you mightn't be so annoyed. They have to give something back, I'd imagine no chance from the hunt of a bottle or tickets to the hunt ball or point to point as a thanks very much?

They did pay a lad to fence my 7 year old nephew would do a better job.

byhookorbycrook

caseman wrote: »

They did pay a lad to fence my 7 year old nephew would do a better job.

Did you raise this with them?Where I grew up, most of the farmers hunted and still do, so it would never be an issue.

namoosh

caseman wrote: »

They did pay a lad to fence my 7 year old nephew would do a better job.

Did they come back the next day to see everything was OK?

mf240

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Did you raise this with them?

Why should he, easier to fix it yourself and erect a no hunting sign at the same time.

namoosh

I can't see any registered hunt cutting a high tensile fence.

caseman

I told them take a run and jump.

mf240

namoosh wrote: »

I can't see any registered hunt cutting a high tensile fence.

Had it done to me!

namoosh

caseman wrote: »

I told them take a run and jump.

Fair enough.

The prowler

I have never heard of the hunt around me give anything like free point to point tickets or tent passes or anything,not even a bottle of jamie,i think alot of the hunts people are up their own holes,i no that the hare coursing lads give a bottle of whiskey to everyones land they use to catch hares on,i know who i would prefer on land if i owned it,eapecially after the last year of weather. Even just a small acknoledgement makes a big difference

bob charles

namoosh wrote: »

I can't see any registered hunt cutting a high tensile fence.

must just be the shower around here so. local hunt are not too bad, county hounds are a yoke. I stopped them two years ago after they cut there way in over a boundary fence, if they kept following the path they were going they would have being crossing 4 mains fenced paddocks, so it would have being cut cut cut. No permission sought and when told they are not wanted they will appear again later in the season. complete disrespect. The hunt im talking about is going to end up in a nasty situation IMV as there are some very highly strung people locally that now lose the plot when they see the hunt about. just looked up the pack of hounds Im talking about and the joint masters - one is from the UK and the other lives 2 counties away. I dont know anyone that hunts with this crowd. I see they charge visitors €200 notes to hunt alone, nice when you dont have to pay a penny for your playing pitch

namoosh

mf240 wrote: »

Had it done to me!

If they were any good they would have jumped it. Completely unacceptable, I hope you sued!

Bizzum

caseman wrote: »

I told them take a run and jump.

Is that not exactly what they intended doing:D

namoosh

bob charles wrote: »

must just be the shower around here so. local hunt are not too bad, county hounds are a yoke. I stopped them two years ago after they cut there way in over a boundary fence, if they kept following the path they were going they would have being crossing 4 mains fenced paddocks, so it would have being cut cut cut. No permission sought and when told they are not wanted they will appear again later in the season. complete disrespect. The hunt im talking about is going to end up in a nasty situation IMV as there are some very highly strung people locally that now lose the plot when they see the hunt about.

Report them to the HAI, IFA and local Guards, they are trespassing and giving other hunts a bad name. Sue for damages! They won't be back. They hunt is supposed to be a local club not a load of yahoos riding roughshod over other peoples land!

mf240

namoosh wrote: »

If they were any good they would have jumped it. Completely unacceptable, I hope you sued!

Of coarse I didn't sue them.
I fixed it myself and put up a no hunting sign.

caseman

Bizzum wrote: »

Is that not exactly what they intended doing:D

In the opposite direction:D