Garden Moths 2012

littlebug

Mothman wrote: »

oops

I did it many years ago but it did crash at times rendering all the entering lost, but this was on an earlier version of excel and before auto saving.
I was reluctant to distribute it, but it dos seem stable in excel 2007 so perhaps I should share it.

or patent it :D

since I don't catch many species anyway :rolleyes: it's not a huge task to me so don't worry about sharing if you're not sure.
I'm not terribly excel savvy but I'm sure if I put the thought and effort in I could work something out that would save me some repetition.

jmkennedyie

OK. Final post I promise - at least for now. Thanks for all the guidance. Checked the great suggestions and tips. Found following very helpful:
- http://www.mothsireland.com/specieslist.htm
- http://www.irishmoths.net/flying-now.html
- Asking google for photos of species name
BTW I'm also using Field Guide to the Moths of GB and Ireland by Waring/Townsend/Lewington

So, my macro list for Saturday July 7th:
1728 Garden Carpet x 3
1922 Swallow-tailed Moth x 1
1937 Willow Beauty x 3
2089 Heart and Dart x 6
2128 Double Sqaure-spot x 5
2192 Brown-line Bright Eye x 1
2321 Dark Arches x 4
2387 Mottled Beauty x 2
2489 Fan-foot x 3

And a suspected:
1681 Clay Triple-lines x 1
2173 Lychnis x 1
2343x Common Rustic agg x 1
(month ok, all occur nearby according to recent maps for N Kildare)

Also some pug I couldn't get my head around.

In case anyone curious...
Bright-line Brown-eye

suspected Clay Triple-lines

suspected Common Rustic agg

suspected Lychnis - another view

a pug


Thanks again for the time and space here. I will submit the records. Until next time...jk

V_Moth

(1) Yes.
(2) I think this more likely to be Riband Wave, but it is a bit too faded for me to rule out Plain Wave. For it to be Clay TL, the moth should be darker orange in colour and have an obvious "corner" to the dark line closest to the head.
(3) Very faded and so difficult to tell. My best guess would be Square spot Rustic.
(4) Not sure. Maybe The Gothic?
(5) Possibly Double-striped Pug?

jmkennedyie

Thank you. I see what you mean about (2) - yep, Riband seems to be a better fit.
Just re (4), I don't know how useful it is, but the waves of the white line nearest the outer edge (bottom) match the Lychnis in my guide better than Gothic. Also black splodge on left inner wing matches Lychnis dark patch. (see my first pic of this moth a couple of posts back).

littlebug

just one Common Footman, one Large Yellow Underwing and one White Ermine at the actinic last night.

Mothman

jmkennedyie wrote: »

Thank you. I see what you mean about (2) - yep, Riband seems to be a better fit.
Just re (4), I don't know how useful it is, but the waves of the white line nearest the outer edge (bottom) match the Lychnis in my guide better than Gothic. Also black splodge on left inner wing matches Lychnis dark patch. (see my first pic of this moth a couple of posts back).

It is a Riband Wave and these with an orangey tone can look quite different to the others in the trap.
The one below it is a Common Rustic agg.
and I do think that is another Lychnis but an overhead view is needed.
The pug...is a pug! but photo is over exposed and I'm not going to suggest ID. It isn't a Double-striped which has a distinctive shape.
What can be very useful is the size of the moth, either wingspan or length. With pugs this can rule in or out species which helps narrow down options hugely which is often needed to come to a conclusion.

Half-cocked

Mothman wrote: »

What can be very useful is the size of the moth, either wingspan or length. With pugs this can rule in or out species which helps narrow down options hugely which is often needed to come to a conclusion.

Like this?



Double-striped Pug I think? I've started keeping a 6" rule in my moth notebook. Makes a good book-mark too!

Mothman

Yes including a rule in pic serves the purpose well and that is a D-s Pug

jmkennedyie

Got it, thanks, and just to clarify, the two pics I labelled possible Lychnis are actually of the same individual moth.

littlebug

small numbers last night despite being mild and dry.

1713 Riband Wave
2061 Buff Ermine
2107 Large Yellow Underwing
2284 Grey Dagger
2434 Burnished Brass x 2

and this.. one of the fruit tree tortrix(es?)? Lighting makes it look redder than it was.

Half-cocked

33 species last night, including first Common Wainscot record for thegarden. Also this which I can't ID with any confidence:



July Highflyer?

Half-cocked

littlebug wrote: »

small numbers last night despite being mild and dry.

1713 Riband Wave
2061 Buff Ermine
2107 Large Yellow Underwing
2284 Grey Dagger
2434 Burnished Brass x 2

and this.. one of the fruit tree tortrix(es?)? Lighting makes it look redder than it was.

Barred Fruit-tree Tortrix I think...

V_Moth

Half-cocked wrote: »

33 species last night, including first Common Wainscot record for thegarden. Also this which I can't ID with any confidence:

July Highflyer?

I think so, yes. The two white spots near the tip of the wing are quite distinctive. Such a variable species - here's one I found at the ECNR recently:

Half-cocked

V_Moth wrote: »

I think so, yes. The two white spots near the tip of the wing are quite distinctive. Such a variable species - here's one I found at the ECNR recently:

Thanks. I only ever caught one before - in Donegal in September which really threw me. And it looked very different from both pics above.

Mothman

Half-cocked wrote: »

Barred Fruit-tree Tortrix I think...

Its the other, Dark Fruit-tree Tortrix, P. heparana
It has some projection on head side of cross band.

Mothman

I had a relatively good night (for this year)
72 species logged, but on a good night I would expect 100-120species.

0018 Map-winged Swift (Hepialus fusconebulosa) 1
0464 Diamond-back Moth (Plutella xylostella) 2
0468 Rhigognostis incarnatella 2
0647 Brown House Moth (Hofmannophila pseudospretella) 1
0868 Helcystogramma rufescens 6
0874 Blastobasis lacticolella 7
0892 Mompha subbistrigella 1
0937 Agapeta hamana 2
0970 Barred Fruit-tree Tortrix (Pandemis cerasana) 2
0972 Dark Fruit-tree Tortrix (Pandemis heparana) 1
0989 Timothy Tortrix (Aphelia paleana) 1
1006 Epagoge grotiana 1
1010 Red-barred Tortrix (Ditula angustiorana) 1
1044x Acleris ferrugana/notana 1
1076 Celypha lacunana 8
1083 Marbled Orchard Tortrix (Hedya nubiferana) 1
1126 Ancylis badiana 1
1201 Eucosma cana 1
1260 Cydia splendana 2
1293 Garden Grass-veneer (Chrysoteuchia culmella) 8
1301 Crambus lathoniellus 1
1316 Catoptria falsella 1
1338 Dipleurina lacustrata 1
1345 Brown China-mark (Elophila nymphaeata) 1
1392 Udea olivalis 1
1428 Bee Moth (Aphomia sociella) 1
1483 Phycitodes binaevella 1
1653 Buff Arches (Habrosyne pyritoides) 3
1713 Riband Wave [non-banded form] (Idaea aversata ab. remutata) 3
1732 Shaded Broad-bar (Scotopteryx chenopodiata) 1
1777 July Highflyer (Hydriomena furcata) 5
1862 Double-striped Pug (Gymnoscelis rufifasciata) 2
1887 Clouded Border (Lomaspilis marginata) 2
1906 Brimstone Moth (Opisthograptis luteolata) 2
1922 Swallow-tailed Moth (Ourapteryx sambucaria) 1
1931 Peppered Moth (Biston betularia) 4
1941 Mottled Beauty (Alcis repandata) 6
1955 Common White Wave (Cabera pusaria) 1
1956 Common Wave (Cabera exanthemata) 1
1961 Light Emerald (Campaea margaritata) 10
1981 Poplar Hawk-moth (Laothoe populi) 4
1994 Buff-tip (Phalera bucephala) 1
2007 Swallow Prominent (Pheosia tremula) 2
2035 Round-winged Muslin (Thumatha senex) 1
2061 Buff Ermine (Spilosoma luteum) 2
2069 Cinnabar (Tyria jacobaeae) 1
2089 Heart and Dart (Agrotis exclamationis) 30
2098 Flame (Axylia putris) 1
2102 Flame Shoulder (Ochropleura plecta) 1
2107 Large Yellow Underwing (Noctua pronuba) 11
2114 Double Dart (Graphiphora augur) 4
2122 Purple Clay (Diarsia brunnea) 1
2126 Setaceous Hebrew Character (Xestia c-nigrum) 2
2128 Double Square-spot (Xestia triangulum) 1
2130 Dotted Clay (Xestia baja) 1
2160 Bright-line Brown-eye (Lacanobia oleracea) 1
2193 Clay (Mythimna ferrago) 2
2197 Southern Wainscot (Mythimna straminea) 1
2198 Smoky Wainscot (Mythimna impura) 2
2321 Dark Arches (Apamea monoglypha) 3
2327 Clouded Brindle (Apamea epomidion) 1
2330 Dusky Brocade (Apamea remissa) 1
2337x Marbled Minor agg. (Oligia strigilis agg.) 4
2341 Cloaked Minor (Mesoligia furuncula) 1
2343x Common Rustic agg. (Mesapamea secalis agg.) 9
2381 Uncertain (Hoplodrina alsines) 40
2382 Rustic (Hoplodrina blanda) 4
2434 Burnished Brass (Diachrysia chrysitis) 7
2450 Spectacle (Abrostola tripartita) 1
2474 Straw Dot (Rivula sericealis) 12
2477 Snout (Hypena proboscidalis) 1
2489 Fan-foot (Zanclognatha tarsipennalis) 2

V_Moth

Mothman wrote: »

I had a relatively good night (for this year)
72 species logged, but on a good night I would expect 100-120species.


2381 Uncertain (Hoplodrina alsines) 40
2382 Rustic (Hoplodrina blanda) 4

Fantastic list. One question, how do you separate Uncertain and Rustic? Is the intensity of the cross-band a reliable way of telling the two apart?

Buff Arches from a couple of days ago:

thebishop

I trapped on Sat night this week.
Flame Shoulder x 1
Buff Ermine x 1
White Ermine x 2
Large Yellow Underwing x 1
Burnished Brass x 1
Heart and Dart x 6
Broom Moth x 1
Spectacle x 2
Small Magpie x 1
Uncertain x 1
Beautiful Golden Y x 1

littlebug

I'm having trouble with this one.
Best I can come up with is variation on Engrailed

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Mothman

littlebug wrote: »

I'm having trouble with this one.
Best I can come up with is variation on Engrailed

That is a Beauty...Satin to be exact.

Usually darker with not much detail visible and in its typical resting posture with hind wings covered.

littlebug

Mothman wrote: »

That is a Beauty...Satin to be exact.

Usually darker with not much detail visible and in its typical resting posture with hind wings covered.

Thanks. I had looked at that one and discounted it..not sure why:rolleyes: if I had looked at it again on the ukmoths site I might have got it as the pic there looks more like mine.

I trapped last night instead of tonight as I won't have time in the morning.

597 Elachtista ? not sure, need to look at it again.
970 Barred Fruit Tree Tortix.. maybe.. pic below.
1002 Lozotaenia Forsterana
1388 Udea Lutealis
1713 Riband Wave x2
1837 Grey Pug
1922 Swallow Tailed Moth
1940 Satin Beauty
2008 Coxcomb Prominent
2038 Muslin Footman
2089 Heart and Dart x 3
2107 Large Yellow Underwing
2118 True Lovers Knot
2160 Bright Line Brown Eye x2
2321 Dark Arches x 2
2434 Burnished Brass

Which fruit tree tortrix is this one? I'm really struggling to differentiate.


Coxcomb prominent (just because I like the pic:))


See "Interesting Bugs" thread for my other interesting bug of the day.:)

Mothman

littlebug wrote: »

Which fruit tree tortrix is this one? I'm really struggling to differentiate.

I get mixed up with the English names This one is 970 P. cerasana

I highlighted the feature to look for in your previous one which was 972 P. heparana.
Its the projection on crossline. Cerasana doesn't have it.



Once you start getting bigger ones, they may be 969 P. corylana. I haven't had one yet this year.

Mothman

A chilly night, in fact 2nd coldest in July in my 13 year record with a min of 5C.
It didn't take long to go through the trap contents. 21 species vs 70 last week.

0014 Ghost Moth (Hepialus humuli) 1
1713 Riband Wave [non-banded form] (Idaea aversata ab. remutata) 1
1758 Barred Straw (Eulithis pyraliata) 1
1765 Barred Yellow (Cidaria fulvata) 1
1906 Brimstone Moth (Opisthograptis luteolata) 1
1917 Early Thorn (Selenia dentaria) 3
1921 Scalloped Oak (Crocallis elinguaria) 2
1931 Peppered Moth (Biston betularia) 1
1955 Common White Wave (Cabera pusaria) 1
1961 Light Emerald (Campaea margaritata) 2
1981 Poplar Hawk-moth (Laothoe populi) 2
2006 Lesser Swallow Prominent (Pheosia gnoma) 2
2069 Cinnabar (Tyria jacobaeae) 1
2089 Heart and Dart (Agrotis exclamationis) 1
2107 Large Yellow Underwing (Noctua pronuba) 2
2130 Dotted Clay (Xestia baja) 2
2193 Clay (Mythimna ferrago) 1
2198 Smoky Wainscot (Mythimna impura) 2
2381 Uncertain (Hoplodrina alsines) 4
2382 Rustic (Hoplodrina blanda) 1
2434 Burnished Brass (Diachrysia chrysitis) 2

Half-cocked

18 species here, temp dipped to 8.1 deg C. First Dun-bar and Grey Dagger of the year.

jmkennedyie

I gave it another go last night too...
1937 Willow Beauty x 2
2060 White Ermine x 1
2128 Double Square-spot x 1
2321 Dark Arches x 5
2489 Fan-foot x 2

The three pics I would like to run by yee if I may...
Uncertain?

Uncertain?

And a mystery to me...closest I can come up with is "pretty much invisible line possibly brownish eye" ...


PS MapMate ordered so will supply records in that format in time.

Half-cocked

I'll stick my neck out and say you are right with the ID's, including the faded Bright-line Brown -eye.

fred funk }{

Saw this in my garden today. Is it a Poplar Hawk Moth?

Half-cocked

Yes, it is. I feel confident IDing this one!

Half-cocked

45+ species last night, still have to ID some of the micros. There were some very distinctive ones I haven't seen before. Temp was 18 deg C. I have to admit to getting fooled by our first ever Chinese Character - it was sitting on the perspex cover and I had put it to one side. My wife spotted it, I wonder if I have discarded many before?:eek: In my defence, it was sitting among some real bird droppings. Also caught our first Yellow-tail in 3 years. Unfortunately a carpet type moth I have never seen before flew off before I could get a pic, I'm really annoyed, it looked quite intersting.

Chinese Character:




Yellow-tail:

Half-cocked

Some micros caught last night, hope the ID's are OK.

Scoparia ambigularis:


Agriphila geniculea:


Pammene regiana:


Acleris forsskaleana:


Bramble Shoot Moth: