The Driver Shot Jfk on November 22, 1963

tim allen

The driver shot JFK clearly and obviously but the zapruder film needed to be picked apart and analyzed by someone and that someone turned out to be me.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xesq49_jfk-assassination-films-orville-nix_news

Nix film close-up shows Greer's left arm crossing over.

I got this gif from this clip. Start it at 1:09 and see Greer quickly moving his left arm over his shoulder in unison with the headshot. The nix film was not shown close-up but when this sequence is zoomed in on the limo, this whopper is revealed. The goons covered those movements with fakery in the zfilm but could not or didn't bother with the nix film.


THE FAKE GREY STREAK covered Greer's arm movement in the zfilm and the nix film proves that alteration beyond any doubt. Case Closed, finally. This old copy shows the fake reflection recoiling and pushing back in unison with the headshot very clearly.

The driver killed Kennedy and the Nix film provides conclusive proof to this inevitable truth.

tim allen

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/
FRAME 241 showing both hands close together right before he passes gun.

Greer passes gun and frame 258 showing covered gun by driver's door.


You can see the outline of his right suited forearm as it fits the gun in his left hand.

tim allen

Mary took her pic at zframe 309 and in it, the fake blob of white is entirely missing from Roy's head because it was added during alteration to mirror the gun's movement over Greer's shoulder. The gun was not next to his face but near his right shoulder. Connally's reflection is accurately depicted in both the pic and film for authenticity.






The fake reflection was NOT added to the nix or muchmore films. THERE IS NO OTHER SIDE TO THE TOP OF THE HEAD.

tim allen

A loud gunshot in the limo

So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.

GREER FIRED RIGHT OVER CONNALLY'S HEAD and when he realized Greer fired it, he hit the floor, terrified. WATCH THE GOVERNOR.

tim allen

Connally saw Greer shoot jfk

Connally, said he saw the fatal shot and quickly corrected himself but his reaction when looking at Greer proves he slipped up. Watch him hit the floor in horror once he realized Greer shot Kennedy. Connally, logically looked toward Greer because he was braking during his second turn to shoot Kennedy.

Obviously, at least the major wound that I took in the shoulder through the chest couldn't have been anything but the second shot. Obviously, it couldn't have been the third, because when the third shot was fired I was in a reclining position, and heard it, saw it and the effects of it, rather--I didn't see it, I saw the effects of it--so it obviously could not have been the third, and couldn't have been the first, in my judgment.



Connally turned towards Greer in his reaction to Greer braking during his second turn to shoot jfk. He most likely did not see the gun discharged but definitely saw it before he pulled it down out of sight.

tim allen

Austin Miller's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses)
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/comp.htm#list
(Miller was standing on the triple overpass)

Mr. BELIN - Well, describe what happened. Did you see the motorcade come by?
Mr. MILLER - Yes sir; it came down main street and turned north on Houston Street and went over two blocks and turned left on Elm Street. Got about halfway down the hill going toward the underpass and that is when as I recall the first shot was fired.
Mr. BELIN - Did you know it was a shot when you heard it?
Mr. MILLER - I didn't know it. I thought at first the motorcycle backfiring or somebody throwed some firecrackers out.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you hear or see?
Mr. MILLER - After the first one, just a few seconds later, there was two more shots fired, or sounded like a sound at the time. I don't know for sure. And it was after that I saw some man in the car fall forward, and a women next to him grab him and hollered, and just what, I don't know exactly what she said.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you see?
Mr. MILLER - About that time I turned to look toward the - there is a little plaza sitting on the hill. I looked over there to see if anything was there, who through the firecracker or whatever it was, or see if anything was up there, and there wasn't nobody standing there, so I stepped back and looked at the tracks to see if anybody run across the railroad tracks, and there was nobody running across the railroad tracks. So I turned right straight back just in time to see the convertible take off fast.
Mr. BELIN - You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?
Mr. MILLER - I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.
Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline.
Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else that you can think of that you saw?
Mr. MILLER - About the time I looked over to the side there, there was a police officer. No; a motorcycle running his motor under against the curb, and jumped off and come up to the hill toward the top and right behind him was some more officers and plainclothesmen, too.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone that might be, that gave any suspicious movements of any kind over there?
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone when you looked around on the railroad tracks, that you hadn't seen before
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't.

tim allen

THIS IS MOST LIKELY THE CLOSEST EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT PLACING THE GUN IN GREER'S HAND.

COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22 day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Hugh William Betzner, Jr., Address 5922 Velasco, Dallas, Age 22 , Phone No. TA 7-9761
Deposes and says:

I was standing on Houston Street near the intersection of Elm Street. I took a picture of President Kennedy's car as it passed along Houston Street. I have an old camera. I looked down real quick and rolled the film to take the next picture. I then ran down to the corner of Elm andHouston [sic] Streets, this being the southwest corner. I was standing back from the corner and had to take the pictures through some of the crowd. I ran on down Elm a little more and President Kennedy's car was starting to go down the hill to the triple underpass. I was running trying to keep the President's car in my view and was winding my film as I ran. I was looking down at my camera to see the number of the film as I ran. I took another picture as the President's car was going down the hill on Elm Street. I started to wind my film again and I heard a loud noise. I thought that this noise was either a firecracker or a car had backfired. I looked up and it seemed like there was another loud noise in the matter of a few seconds. I looked down the street and I could see the President's car and another one and they looked like the cars were stopped. Then I saw a flash of pink like someone standing up and then sitting back down in the car. Then I ran around so I could look over the back of a monument and I either saw the following then or when I was sitting back down on the corner of Elm Street. I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air. I also saw a man in either the President's car or the car behind his and someone down in one of those cars pull out what looked like a rifle. I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car. Then the President's car sped on under the underpass. Police and a lot of spectators started running up the hill on the opposite side of the street from me to a fence of wood. I assumed that was where the shot was fired from at that time. I kept watching the crowd. Then I came around the monument over to Main Street. I walked down toward where the President's car had stopped. I saw a Police Officer and some men in plain clothes. I don't know who they were. These Police Officers and the men in plain clothes were digging around in the dirt as if they were looking for a bullet. I walked back around the monument over to Elm Street where they were digging in the dirt. I went on across the street and up the embankment to where the fence is located. By this time almost all of the people had left. There were quite a few people down on the street and crowded around a motorcycle. I was looking around the fence as the rumor had spread that that was where the shot had come from. I started figuring where I was when I had taken the third picture and it seemed to me that the fence row would have been in the picture. I saw a group of men who looked like they might be officers and one of them turned out to be Deputy Sheriff Boone. I told him about the picture I had taken. Deputy Sheriff Boone contacted superiors and was told to bring me over to the Sheriff's Office. Deputy Sheriff Boone took my camera and asked me to wait. I waited in the Sheriff's Office and some time later, an hour or two, he brought my camera back and told me that as soon as they got through with the film and they were dry that they would give me the film. A little later he came in and gave me the negatives and told me that they were interested in a couple of pictures and implied that the negatives was all I was going to get back. To the best of my knowledge, this is all I know about this incident. /s/ Hugh William Betzner, Jr.
http://www.jfk-online.com/betzner.html

tim allen

A Murder Within was self published in 1974.

Look on the right side, under 'beats fists against car'. It's the second sentence. "The third shot he heard might have been a Secret Service man returning the fire, he said."

tim allen

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/Frame 319 is the gun bleached in white

The altered gun is visible before, during and after the shot.
318 is the fake reflection and 319 is the gun bleached in white.

COMING UP FROM FLOOR, BACKWARDS.

They could NOT edit out the gun so they covered it with white and grey. The driver killing Kennedy was always THE TRUTH but was universally ignored and covered-up.

tim allen

The back of jfk's head opens up after 312 but before 313. The impact's in the right front, not the right side.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8_hDakTz2I

tim allen

You can literally see skull detaching from his rear skull. Also, notice as his goes back you can see his skull gape and close back up.

tim allen

Clint Hill saw the hole and heard Greer's revolver

Clint describes a massive exit that could have only been caused by that goon, Greer.

Clint Hill saw the massive hole on the right rear portion of his head.

Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just about as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot, I believe it was, on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip with my hand, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car.
Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car. She turned toward me and I grabbed her and put her back in the back seat, crawled up on top of the back seat and lay there.


Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

FRAME 337

tim allen

The great fake reflection footage that started it all in 7-09.

-The fake blob recoils and separates from Roy's head when Greer fires revolver.
-The fake hand coming off wheel begins with 2 dots.
-They both make eye contact after turning back straight.
-Kellerman raises hand signaling that Greer's gonna shoot back.
-The white lane (by driver's door) comes into focus just in time to blend in with the fake grey streak which mirrored Greer's arm crossing that's seen in the nix film.
-The fake grey streak is over his shoulder first and then across when it's needed.
-The fake forehead reflection replacing Greer's hand is the only one that cannot be independently proven fake without the nix film or other evidence.
-Kellerman moves his head forward, backward and forward again in 1 second in an attempt to block the gun's view from the north side of Elm street.
-Watch the driver's door when Greer turns to shoot back. Something appears beneath the white lane which is very likely the curb.
-Watch the top of Greer's head after he shoots jfk. He still had a reflection, so they darkened it to distract from the silly fakery on Roy's head.


Greer's arm crosses in nix, confirming the logical reasons for Zapruder film fakery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jis_ZFspfY

tim allen

Zapruder Film Forgery For Dummies

The gaping exit and skull detaching appears between 312-313, 313-314, and 316-317. They did their best to hide the hole but slow motion exposes it and the attempts to hide that hole.

In between 316-317 a ghost-like image shows the white lane through jfk's head. That hole closes up by 317. Note the double image of the fake flap on right temple.

humanji

Tim Allen banned for 3 days for repeatedly ignoring mod warnings.

Tzar Chasm

Wow, that's a lot to take in, i've been open to the possibilities of a second gunman and would go along with the theory that some group provided material support to oswald, but the theory that the driver would just spin round mid parade and say fnckit i'm just gonna pop him here in front of this crowd, that's a bit to digest

Tzar Chasm

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Wow, that's a lot to take in, i've been open to the possibilities of a second gunman and would go along with the theory that some group provided material support to oswald, but the theory that the driver would just spin round mid parade and say fnckit i'm just gonna pop him here in front of this crowd, that's a bit to digest

Well think about it, if you were watching jfk and heard the first shot, I doubt you'd be looking at the driver.
Greer,turns around 'S*it, he's still alive. Time for Plan B . Bang '
I'm not saying that happened (it is possible though) but it's a good movie plot which is probably one reason this is people's favourite conspiracy theory.

snafuk35

Kennedy was struck in the back of the head and the bullet exited the front right of his skull.



The above drawing was produced for the House Select Committee on Assassinations convened in the 1970s which re-examined the evidence collected in 1963.

They concluded that three shots were fired - confirmed by the majority of witness testimony and the presence of three spent hulls matched to the Oswald rifle - and two of the bullets hit JFK in the back of the neck and the back of the head.

The driver shooter theory is self-evidently ridiculous.

Tzar Chasm

Yeah, the only true bit is that its fairly likly that them lads pulled out guns, I havent ben to America but from what I've heard about their Law Enforcement people, if you Fart loudly you run the risk of them pulling guns on you.

on the notion of tidying up if the first shot missed, wasnt that what the Grassy Knoll was for

Witcher

Worst theory I have ever heard on this is that the Secret Service agent riding shotgun in the car behind heard Oswald's shot, in response he produced an M16 rifle from the footwell of the car and discharged it accidently into the back of JFK's head. On the mobile now but I'll get a link later if anyone wants it.

kryogen

No, this irritatingly long page is wrong for me. No chance of it, the drivers may have slowed the car to keep him in the kill box a little longer

The car did slow down, and stay at a slow speed until the shot that his head explodes in then speeds away. The driver can be seen turning around, seeing the shot then driving off quick. A better theory would maybe be that the driver was complicit in the assassination, by making sure Kennedy stayed in the kill box for long enough to get the job done.

Plenty of other more plausible theories then the driver shooting him.

Di0genes

kryogen wrote: »

No, this irritatingly long page is wrong for me. No chance of it, the drivers may have slowed the car to keep him in the kill box a little longer

The car did slow down, and stay at a slow speed until the shot that his head explodes in then speeds away. The driver can be seen turning around, seeing the shot then driving off quick. A better theory would maybe be that the driver was complicit in the assassination, by making sure Kennedy stayed in the kill box for long enough to get the job done.

Plenty of other more plausible theories then the driver shooting him.

The car slowed down because there were both a 90 degree and and 120 degree turn before it passed the texas book depository.

snafuk35

kryogen wrote: »

No, this irritatingly long page is wrong for me. No chance of it, the drivers may have slowed the car to keep him in the kill box a little longer

The car did slow down, and stay at a slow speed until the shot that his head explodes in then speeds away. The driver can be seen turning around, seeing the shot then driving off quick. A better theory would maybe be that the driver was complicit in the assassination, by making sure Kennedy stayed in the kill box for long enough to get the job done.

Plenty of other more plausible theories then the driver shooting him.

There is only ONE way that this happened.

Three shots were fired from the 6th floor. Co-workers of Oswald in the 5th floor windows directly under the window heard the shots and shells rattling on the wooden floor over their heads. Howard Brennan saw Oswald in the window and ID'd him at a line up. Oswald owned the rifle discovered in the 6th floor by the Dallas PD. The three spent shells were matched to his gun with the exclusion of all other weapons. So was the bullet found on Governor Connally's stretcher at Parkland hospital. Fragments of another bullet were found on the front seat of the limousine and also ballistically matched to Oswald's rifle. Oswald's shirt fibres were found in the crevice between the metal buttplate and the wooden stock of the rifle and when the rifles was dissembled his palm print was found on the barrel of the gun. The gun came from a sporting goods magazine and the order form was filled out in Oswald's hand using his habitual name A. Hidell.

Oswald brought the gun to work in a paper parcel when he took a lift with a co-worker and this paper packaging was found at the scene. His palm print was found on one of the packing boxes he stacked around the 6th floor window as a hide.

Oswald was the only employee of the Texas School Book Depository who went missing after the shooting. He went home got his .38 revolver and went a DPD patrolman stopped him after an APB was broadcast based on Howard Brennan's description, he gunned him down in cold blood. Witnesses also identified Oswald at a line up. The .38 rifle was purchased by mail order in his handwriting and the spent cases at the scene were matched to his gun excluding all other weapons. Oswald was carrying the gun when he was arrested and was overpowered when he tried to draw and fire it at arresting officers. The same kind of ammo used to kill the patrolman were found in his pockets.

Open and shut. Oswald killed JFK acting alone.

Tzar Chasm

its the acted alone part that I have issue with, I believe there may have ben collusion at some level to facilitate Oswalds actions.

the main thing that dosent sit with me is his Defection to and return from the CCCP, in a Post Mccarthy America where people reeling from the Cuban crisis I find it hard to believe that he managed to Kill JFK without someone at least covering his ass

snafuk35

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

its the acted alone part that I have issue with, I believe there may have ben collusion at some level to facilitate Oswalds actions.

the main thing that dosent sit with me is his Defection to and return from the CCCP, in a Post Mccarthy America where people reeling from the Cuban crisis I find it hard to believe that he managed to Kill JFK without someone at least covering his ass

There's no mystery about how Oswald got to the USSR. He did it all by himself.

In October 1959, just before turning 20, Oswald traveled to the Soviet Union, the trip planned well in advance. On September 11, 1959, he received a hardship discharge from active service, claiming his mother needed care, and was put on reserve.[11][29][30] Along with his self-taught Russian, he had saved $1,500 of his Marine Corps salary,[n 3] obtained a passport, and submitted several fictional applications to foreign universities in order to obtain a student visa.I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_clarify"]clarification needed[/URL][/I Oswald spent two days with his mother in Fort Worth, then embarked by ship from New Orleans on September 20 to Le Havre, France, then immediately proceeded to England. Arriving in Southampton on October 9, he told officials he had $700 and planned to remain in the United Kingdom for one week before proceeding to a school in Switzerland. But on the same day, he flew to Helsinki, where he was issued a Soviet visa on October 14. Oswald left Helsinki by train on the following day, crossed the Soviet border at Vainikkala, and arrived in Moscow on October 16.[31]
Almost immediately, Oswald told his Intourist guide of his desire to become a Soviet citizen,[32] but was told on October 21 that his application had been refused. Oswald then inflicted a minor but bloody wound to his left wrist in his hotel room bathtub, after which the Soviets put him under psychiatric observation at a hospital.[33][34]
On October 31, Oswald appeared at the United States embassy in Moscow, declaring a desire to renounce his U.S. citizenship.[35][36] Oswald told the interviewing officer at the U.S. embassy, Richard Snyder, "...that he had been a radar operator in the Marine Corps and that he had voluntarily stated to unnamed Soviet officials that as a Soviet citizen he would make known to them such information concerning the Marine Corps and his specialty as he possessed. He intimated that he might know something of special interest."[37] (Such statements led to Oswald's hardship/honorable military discharge being changed to undesirable.)[38] The Associated Press story of the defection of a U.S. Marine to the Soviet Union was reported on the front pages of some newspapers in 1959.[39]



Though Oswald had wanted to attend Moscow University, he was sent to Minsk to work as a lathe operator at the Gorizont (Horizon) Electronics Factory, a facility producing radios, televisions, and military and space electronics. While working there, he interacted with Stanislau Shushkevich, future head of state of Belarus, who worked at the time on this factory. Stanislau Shushkevich was assigned to teach Lee Harvey Oswald Russian.[40] Oswald also received a subsidized,I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_clarify"]clarification needed[/URL][/I fully furnished studio apartment in a prestigious building and an additional supplement to his factory pay—all in all, an idyllic existence by Soviet working-class standards,[41] although he was under constant surveillance.[42]
But Oswald grew bored in Minsk.[43] He wrote in his diary in January 1961: "I am starting to reconsider my desire about staying. The work is drab, the money I get has nowhere to be spent. No nightclubs or bowling alleys, no places of recreation except the trade union dances. I have had enough."[44] Shortly afterwards, Oswald (who had never formally renounced his U.S. citizenship) wrote to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow requesting return of his American passport, and proposing to return to the U.S. if any charges against him would be dropped.[45]
In March 1961, Oswald met Marina Nikolayevna Prusakova, a 19-year-old pharmacology student; they married less than six weeks later in April.[n 4][46] The Oswalds' first child, June, was born on February 15, 1962. On May 24, 1962, Oswald and Marina applied at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow for documents enabling her to immigrate to the U.S. and, on June 1, the U.S. Embassy gave Oswald a repatriation loan of $435.71.[47] Oswald, Marina, and their infant daughter left for the United States, where they received no attention from the press, much to Oswald's disappointment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

jargon buster

This theory is just silly. everyone knows who killed Kennedy, it was Joe De Maggio, he was standing on the back of the limo hidden by a CIA cloaking device and he struck Kennedy across the head with a baseball bat, he swung the bat "back and to the left".

snafuk35

jargon buster wrote: »

This theory is just silly. everyone knows who killed Kennedy, it was Joe De Maggio, he was standing on the back of the limo hidden by a CIA cloaking device and he struck Kennedy across the head with a baseball bat, he swung the bat "back and to the left".

If Oswald didn't do it then I favour the "no-bullet theory."

kryogen

I can accept that Oswald shot him, no issue there whatsoever, the acting alone part is the only thing I take issue with.

tim allen

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_11?url=search-alias=stripbooks&field-keywords=murder%20from%20within&sprefix=Murder%20from&tag=vglnk-c1240-20

Murder from Within Foreword by Tyler Newcomb

“That which is most simple and obvious is the hardest to fathom” E.A.
Poe

How It All Began

I remember it like it was yesterday. It was early summer in 1966 and I was
sitting at the breakfast table with my father, Fred T. Newcomb while he was
reading a front page article in the L.A. Times written by Robert J. Donovan.
It was a review of a new book written by Edward J. Epstein entitled Inquest.
Suddenly, Dad got up and started pacing the kitchen floor. “My God,
someone else may have shot Kennedy” were his words. That was how it all
began.

For the next 8 years nearly all of his spare time and money was devoted to
the subject. With the partnership of Perry Adams it eventually culminated in
the writing of Murder From Within in 1974.

Dad and Perry wrote Murder From Within after years of hard work and
thousands of dollars in personal expense. I witnessed this first hand while I
was in college at ASU in Tempe AZ and helped out when I could (for
example buying them the Warren Commissions 26 Volumes and Exhibits
for their use and study and venturing to the National Archives in
Washington DC for documents and to Bill Greer's home in nearby Maryland
(the driver of the Limo that day) to try to interview him in 1973. During this time Dad and his two associates Gil Toff and Roy Dennis telephonically interviewed nearly 50 witnesses comprising 30 hours of tape. Many of these interviews became the basis for the book. One cannot listen to some of the Dallas Police officers interviewed (who smelled “gunpowder right there in the street” and heard shots “right next to me”) and not come away convinced there really was gunfire from within the motorcade. One cannot listen to 2 police officers stationed at Parkland Hospital who were standing next to the Limo and who each saw a bullet hole in the windshield and not become convinced of evidence tampering by the Secret Service.

When the book was just about completed they printed up @ 100 copies at a personal cost of far more than $1000 (in the 1970's an enormous expense for their modest incomes and lifestyles). Not For Sale was explicitly stamped at the beginning. All copies were mailed to prominent Senators, Congressmen, FBI Agents and other law enforcement personnel for the express purpose of seriously reopening the case. Perhaps the 1976 House Select Committee on Assassinations came to be in some small measure from someone there reading Murder From Within? He and Perry were asked to testify.

I often wondered about that and also wondered what motivated my Dad to
do what he did by not trying to market and sell this incredible story. It didn't
make sense to me at the time. I am more pragmatic than my father.
Eventually I realized Dad was not motivated by greed. He was an Idealist on
a mission. After all is said and done (what with all the critics of the critics
complaining about the "money making motivation" for their books) that is to
be admired.

During this time I was in a traveling Rock Show Band The Gringos and
nearly every town we played in I would do a JFK Assassination slide show
and film and audio tape show. A primitive Powerpoint presentation so to
speak in 32 different States at all the Night Clubs we played. I would guess
hundreds of people over the years saw this or heard about this "theory" and
believe it. Nearly Every time I ask them to take their eyes off Kennedy and
watch the Driver while projecting the Zapruder Film (we had a bootleg copy
from Jim Garrison 7 years before Geraldo showed it on TV) a gasp and
groan comes out "Oh My God...he did it". The "optical illusion" on the film
of the Driver turning, aiming, firing and turning back to drive at the moment
Kennedy's head explodes is mind shattering. What are the odds such a thing
could actually happen at that exact instant on the most important amateur
film ever made? The "gun" however upon close frame inspection appears to
be part of Roy Kellerman's hair. But is it? (Fig. Forward -1)

No one can prove it either way because the film was in possession of the
Secret Service and if Dad’s theory is correct they were busy altering the film
itself creating a new original obliterating their complicity in the killing.
For the better part of forty years all of us have been scouring the landscape
for a gunman other than Oswald. We've looked in trees and bushes the sewer
system the Dal-Tex building the overpass everywhere except the most
obvious place, the car itself, which conveniently and by design became both
a portable crime scene and the "get away" car.

All along it was right there in front of us. Our eyes can't believe it. "That's
preposterous" is the first reaction. But it's really the only theory that answers
the oft asked question why did Jackie frantically try to get out of the car?
Was she going for help or trying to retrieve a part of Kennedy's skull? No.
The first law in times of danger is self-preservation. As Lenny Bruce so
inelegantly put it..."She was hauling ass to save ass".

Over the years the 100 + copies of the book became an underground cult
rarity and "must have" in the JFK Assassination Research and Collector
community. Copies of it were cheaply Xeroxed in Canada and illegally sold
from there for $30. These copies made the rounds between researchers and collectors alike.

For years and years I have been asked by scores of people if they could
purchase a copy of the manuscript Murder From Within. I've always politely
declined and told them I only have my one personal signed copy # 95 but
that perhaps someday it will be released and published. That someday has
finally arrived. It is the fondest wish of myself, my sister Valerie and Bonnie
Adams (Perry's widow) to have it legally and professionally printed and
published while Dad is still alive (although ailing). What did Dad say when
we told him about this from his convalescent bed? He smiled and said
simply "get 'er dun".

If you are reading this for first time and all you know about it is "the Driver
did it" theory be prepared to find a lot more to it than just that. Read this
knowing it was written years and years before anyone else had pointed a
finger at the Secret Service and Lyndon Johnson. This theory out of all of
them is the only one that can truly hold together as far as answering the 3
major questions: Why did it happen (motive), Who was responsible and
most important How was it covered up and a scapegoat framed.

Who could have done such a thing and gotten away with The Crime of the
Century? The "simplest explanation is the best" or "Occam's Razor" which is
an old Lawyers Maxim and certainly applies in this case. Only a small,
brutal and fiendishly clever group led by the only person driven to benefit
from the murder directly could have accomplished such a dastardly deed. All of this is certainly not without precedence in history. Going all the way back to Caesar and several Roman emperors (who were done in by their inner circle and by their own praetorian guards) and on up to Napoleon (arsenic poisoning?) Huey Long, Benigno Aquino (army airport security), Anwar Sadat and recently Indhira Ghandi.

Once the power of the Presidency was obtained Lyndon Johnson could and
did control the flow and manipulation of the evidence and also had the
umbrella of cover that if it were exposed it could quite literally collapse the
entire US Government. If exposed as an illegitimate President guilty of a
murder conspiracy the country very well could have descended into a new
civil war. Most people who "knew" kept quiet knowing full well that this is
truly "national security" and must never be exposed lest the entire country fall into complete uncontrollable civil unrest. Did Jackie tell Bobby what shet hought? That the car stopped during the shooting? That there was a large exit wound in the back of his head and an ear shattering sound in her left ear combined with awful smell of gunpowder? Did they decide to go along with the official story and wait until 1968 to win back the Presidency and expose it then? We all know what happened to Bobby, don't we?

tim allen

snafuk35 wrote: »

Kennedy was struck in the back of the head and the bullet exited the front right of his skull.



The above drawing was produced for the House Select Committee on Assassinations convened in the 1970s which re-examined the evidence collected in 1963.

They concluded that three shots were fired - confirmed by the majority of witness testimony and the presence of three spent hulls matched to the Oswald rifle - and two of the bullets hit JFK in the back of the neck and the back of the head.

The driver shooter theory is self-evidently ridiculous.

The above drawing was produced for the House Select Committee on Assassinations convened in the 1970s which re-examined the evidence collected in 1963.

They concluded that four shots were fired - confirmed by the majority of witness testimony and dpd analysis that confirmed a shot from the grassy knoll.

The Oswald shooter theory is self-evidently false and has been laughed at for decades.

kryogen

There should be some sort of rule about just copying and pasting a load of text from another bloody website.

If you cannot form or elaborate on your own opinion/theory can I suggest not posting?

tim allen

Di0genes wrote: »

The car slowed down because there were both a 90 degree and and 120 degree turn before it passed the texas book depository.

Greer pressed on the brakes in the Muchmore film. The brake light illuminates and creates another...BOO-YA.


The Muchmore film suggests frames were removed from the Zapruder film - YouTube

Before killer Bill Greer shot jfk, he braked the limo to an almost complete stop. Notice the motorcycles and follow-up car come to complete stops.


http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/27th_Issue/59_1.html

1) Houston Chronicle Reporter Bo Byers (rode in White House Press Bus)---twice stated that the Presidential Limousine "almost came to a stop, a dead stop"; in fact, he has had nightmares about this. [C-SPAN, 11/20/93, "Journalists Remember The Kennedy Assassination"; see also the 1/94 "Fourth Decade": article by Sheldon Inkol];

2) ABC Reporter Bob Clark (rode in the National Press Pool Car)---Reported on the air that the limousine stopped on Elm Street during the shooting [WFAA/ ABC, 11/22/63];

3) UPI White House Reporter Merriman Smith (rode in the same car as Clark, above)---"The President's car, possibly as much as 150 or 200 yards ahead, seemed to falter briefly" [UPI story, 11/23/63, as reported in "Four Days", UPI, p. 32];

4) DPD motorcycle officer James W. Courson (one of two mid-motorcade motorcycles)--"The limousine came to a stop and Mrs. Kennedy was on the back. I noticed that as I came around the corner at Elm. Then the Secret Service agent [Clint Hill] helped push her back into the car, and the motorcade took off at a high rate of speed." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 129];

5) DPD motorcycle officer Bobby Joe Dale (one of two rear mid-motorcade motorcycles)---"After the shots were fired, the whole motorcade came to a stop. I stood and looked through the plaza, noticed there was commotion, and saw people running around his [JFK's] car. It started to move, then it slowed again; that's when I saw Mrs. Kennedy coming back on the trunk and another guy [Clint Hill] pushing her back into the car." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 134];

6) Clemon Earl Johnson---"You could see it [the limo] speed up and then stop, then speed up, and you could see it stop while they [sic; Clint Hill] threw Mrs. Kennedy back up in the car. Then they just left out of there like a bat of the eye and were just gone." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 80];

tim allen

kryogen wrote: »

There should be some sort of rule about just copying and pasting a load of text from another bloody website.

If you cannot form or elaborate on your own opinion/theory can I suggest not posting?

It's all my work and will I defend it, if it's challenged, but never is.

kryogen

tim allen wrote: »

The above drawing was produced for the House Select Committee on Assassinations convened in the 1970s which re-examined the evidence collected in 1963.

They concluded that four shots were fired - confirmed by the majority of witness testimony and dpd analysis that confirmed a shot from the grassy knoll.

The Oswald shooter theory is self-evidently false and has been laughed at for decades.

Oswald being one of the shooters is not laughable at all. It has not been laughed at for decades by anybody who's opinion would carry any weight has it.

People who would like to prove JFK was assassinated in a conspiracy by more then one person would find it a lot easier if they were not also trying to prove Oswalds innocence, it is pretty straight forward and clear that he was a shooter on the day. His behaviour and witness statements attest to it.

I don't personally believe he was acting alone, not for a second. But to say Oswald was not a shooter is imo a deeply disturbing take on it. It is like subscribing to an idea regardless of how much evidence is contrary to it.

Ct believers constantly pipe on to the sheeple about their disbelief of of evidence that suggests a different possibility then the official story on plenty of matters, the same thing is happening in reverse in regard the Kennedy shooting.

The evidence against Oswald is simply too much to believe he did not take part in the shooting, the others who were on the grassy knoll etc were also part of it imo but Oswald was certainly a part of it too. He was the fall guy. every successful assassination needs someone to take the blame for it too.

Once the blame has been apportioned and the punishment (in this case its quite telling that Oswald was never allowed to speak about the incident, he never saw a courtroom, he was never allowed to be in a position to expose his co conspirators) has been handed out and everybody can feel safe again, when the bad guy, the lone nut, has been dealt with. Then the conspiracy is a roaring success.

kryogen

tim allen wrote: »

It's all my work and will I defend it, if it's challenged, but it never is.

Your theory is being challenged here on this thread, fairly successfully too.

So its totally your idea to have some parts bolded and some parts not, kinda creates a black and white effect, hypnosis maybe? duality? are you a freemason!

forget that actually, its just annoying man please stop....

tim allen

The film being altered to make it look like his left arm didn't cross is the evidence that Greer shot jfk. The alteration would NOT have been committed for any other reason. Connnally's reflection is depicted the same in the polaroid and Zapruder but Roy's head is without the fake blob in the polaroid, nix, and muchmore. The muchmore cap is the moment of entrance to jfk's right forehead.

In addition, it recoils and does all kinds of impossible things only a cartoon could produce. Unless the sun disappears when filmed from the other side of a reflection, but depicts the same reflection on Connally but not Kellerman. The Moorman pic was taken at Zapruder frame 309 and shows no fake reflection on Roy's head, but frame 312-313 of Z shows the fake reflection causing the headshot. Connally's reflection is the same in the pic and Zapruder. Defeated liars must ignore Connally's consistent reflection and impose fictional fantasies. The nix film depicts no fake reflection, and Roy's head snaps back swiftly (just like you'd expect of someone trying to hide that the driver was shooting the President), the complete opposite of the perfectly altered movement seen in Zapruder.

snafuk35

tim allen wrote: »

The above drawing was produced for the House Select Committee on Assassinations convened in the 1970s which re-examined the evidence collected in 1963.

They concluded that four shots were fired - confirmed by the majority of witness testimony and dpd analysis that confirmed a shot from the grassy knoll.

The Oswald shooter theory is self-evidently false and has been laughed at for decades.

There was no shooter on the grassy knoll.
The best eye witness was in a railroad control tower overlooking the railyard and the back of the fence. He saw no shooter in that location.
Others were standing within feet of the grassy knoll and also saw no shooter. Abraham Zapruder who was filming from the knoll saw no shooter.
No rifle and no bullet or spent hulls were ever found.
Pictures and motion pictures show no shooter.
Kennedy and Connally were wounded by bullets that came from above and behind from the 6th floor window of the TSBD.
The knoll shooter theory is complete BS.

Penn

tim allen wrote: »

It's all my work and will I defend it, if it's challenged, but never is.

Tim, you've been warned before. If someone asks you a question or queries a point you made, you should try to respond with an answer before posting more text and images about a different point.

This is a discussion forum. I have no problem with what you're posting, but you're not engaging anyone in proper discussion.