Merging of forums

wellboytoo

I see our neighbours in Killkenny are proposing to merge the City and County forum to create a critical mass I believe, will the IMF or otherwise force us to do the same pending the outcome of the City and county council decisions here.
There is also an issue in KK that the "county" name be kept in the new forum title.
I suppose it makes sense as there is very little usage on the KK county forum, dare I say it is there a case to be made here?

Sully

Think the county forum for us is a bit busier but yeah, would think it makes sense. I intended waiting to see if Kilkenny got the go ahead before trying for the Waterford forum if the lads are in agreement!

Ledger

Us over in the WX forum only get one, why should you's get two eh??

ziedth

I'd be fully behind it too. County forum gets little traffic so I couldn't see it making to much of a difference and I always thought that anything Tramore related would be better off here.

Sully

ziedth wrote: »

I'd be fully behind it too. County forum gets little traffic so I couldn't see it making to much of a difference and I always thought that anything Tramore related would be better off here.

Indeed. Its been asked before and it was refused though, but it seems the changeover in staff/admins/cmods means that there is a possibility.

The idea of two forums should, and I thought was, if there was a demand. There is hardly any demand for the County. The City is the busiest, so why not just merge over the traffic and discussions.

Psychedelic

Yeah I'd agree with a merger too, just call the new forum 'Wateford'.

mike65

If I was posting about say something in Passage East I'd probably start it here as it'll get seen. So using that logic merging the two makes sense, might see more from our country bumpkin cousins

"Deise Doings"

merlante

I'd prefer to keep them separate. No interest in 'agricultural' threads or East v West GAA threads appearing where the city threads used to be.

Sully

merlante wrote: »

I'd prefer to keep them separate. No interest in 'agricultural' threads or East v West GAA threads appearing where the city threads used to be.

There never is.. We have a GAA forum for GAA related discussions...

Ledger

merlante wrote: »

I'd prefer to keep them separate. No interest in 'agricultural' threads or East v West GAA threads appearing where the city threads used to be.

agricultural threads? do you think anyone outside the city is a farmer?:rolleyes:

merlante

Ledger wrote: »

agricultural threads? do you think anyone outside the city is a farmer?:rolleyes:

Who know's what happens out in the dark wilderness where there are no street lights? God knows what people do in all that quiet...

fuzzy dunlop

I think this is a bad idea there is a difference in the " sense of place" between Waterford City and County that doesn't exist in the Kilkenny. The Waterford forums are much busier and by merging them you will be effectively just removing the county forum and diluting the City forum which will be bad for discussion.Also I believe it was quite a battle to get the City forum set up in the first place with a some hostility from certain individuals that seem to have a penchant for denouncing any type of investment for Waterford in the infrastructure forums.It's sad to see our posters doing the work of our "adversaries" on this issue.

Sully

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

I think this is a bad idea there is a difference in the " sense of place" between Waterford City and County that doesn't exist in the Kilkenny. The Waterford forums are much busier and by merging them you will be effectively just removing the county forum and diluting the City forum which will be bad for discussion.Also I believe it was quite a battle to get the City forum set up in the first place with a some hostility from certain individuals that seem to have a penchant for denouncing any type of investment for Waterford in the infrastructure forums.It's sad to see our posters doing the work of our "adversaries" on this issue.

The county forum is dead. Anytime we try move threads to it from here, it causes uproar (much like moderation in general).

abouttobebanned

(much like over moderation in general)

Sully, let me tell you why I think people get pissed off. The majority of people on this forum think you're a decent guy and a decent mod. They also believe that, with the Waterford forum they have one of the most friendly and "community inspired" regional forums on boards. It's why some people feel the need to start non Waterford specific threads here...it's because they feel comfortable talking to the Waterford regulars. But you suck the community spirit out of it. You're robotic in your moderation style and some people probably think you should lighten up a bit and let some things slide...

ComfyKnickers

Sully wrote: »

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

I think this is a bad idea there is a difference in the " sense of place" between Waterford City and County that doesn't exist in the Kilkenny. The Waterford forums are much busier and by merging them you will be effectively just removing the county forum and diluting the City forum which will be bad for discussion.Also I believe it was quite a battle to get the City forum set up in the first place with a some hostility from certain individuals that seem to have a penchant for denouncing any type of investment for Waterford in the infrastructure forums.It's sad to see our posters doing the work of our "adversaries" on this issue.

The county forum is dead. Anytime we try move threads to it from here, it causes uproar (much like moderation in general).

I agree, Im living in Co. Waterford but I never find anything that interesting in the County section, I mostly use the city one, I think the merger would be good :-)

Sully

abouttobebanned wrote: »

(much like over moderation in general)

Sully, let me tell you why I think people get pissed off. The majority of people on this forum think you're a decent guy and a decent mod. They also believe that, with the Waterford forum they have one of the most friendly and "community inspired" regional forums on boards. It's why some people feel the need to start non Waterford specific threads here...it's because they feel comfortable talking to the Waterford regulars. But you suck the community spirit out of it. You're robotic in your moderation style and some people probably think you should lighten up a bit and let some things slide...

That's a load of bull and your only stirring.

Plenty of those threads knocking about that are left be, so hardly. A long time before you came, we were asked to create a "General Chit Chat" thread exactly for that type of thing. When people posted non-Waterford specific stuff, a lot of people complained. A lot of people complained when we acted. Either way, we didn't win. There are a few threads that are random, AH style, that should not be here. But there left anyway and are still active.

We cant please everyone. No matter what we do, people complain. Not everybody is as vocal as you complaining on the forum, most use PM or Reported Post (as per Boards Guidelines).

The large majority of moderation, bar spam removal (which STILL draws complaints!), is done based on feedback, reported posts or how Boards works and how we are told to moderate. If you cant put up with it, move on. Other sites who have had a relaxed free for all approach have closed down. The Waterford Forum remains.

A lot of stuff we do is as we are told, but people (like you) complain. Iv explained this to you before, but you insist on being an ass and complaining anyway. It would appear that there is no pleasing you.

As always, anything I or any of the mods do can be appealed. If you think I am over modding, make a complaint to ziedth, Aquos76 or takola. If you are not happy, go to the CMods (who watch the forum anyway and have acted on reported posts from this week already without being called).

But for the love of god, stop ****ing complaining if you wont do anything about it.

AdMMM

I think we should keep the two forums. Just to emphasise that we're an actual city

jayboi

The most obvious thing to do is to go by the easy to follow sign posts on the city bypass: waterford north, south, east, west, head, shoulders, knees and toes....knees and toes

abouttobebanned

EDIT: actually don't want to go here again.

We'll agree to disagree Sully

Btw. My phone autocompleted your name to Silly. Not once, but 3 times. The fact that I went and changed it to sully each time must mean something...

Sully

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Sully, you're the very man that had a hissy fit last year when I was pming you about issues. I was trying to solve things behind closed doors.

The fact is, you're on one massive power trip as a boards mod, and you instantly hate anyone who dares to challenge you. It's only a forum...a virtually gathering of people who like to talk about Waterford and its associated issues. In the most part it really doesn't need a referee...but like all people who crave power...they need their authority to be seen...

I much prefer it when, as people do, contact me with Feedback and suggestions. I instantly hate people who are out to cause trouble, constantly making digs and regularly having pop shots without being constructive in any shape or form. Time wasters.

If you consider locking a few threads for very valid reasons a massive power trip, than I guess there wont be any pleasing you and we will have to agree to disagree. You obviously know more about the day to day issues of the moderators than myself, so perhaps you might suggest to the admins that we don't need three moderators and two CMods. Not everything is visible to the public.

We have a lot of PMs (I can see them all). A few of which are problems you had that you wanted me to look into, which I did. The other groups were your concerns about how boards, and me, treated businesses who sign up and post about their business. I think I gave you an honest answer and pointed you in the direction of a place you might be able to make a change. That was the only attempt at raising issues and trying to sort it out.

abouttobebanned

Ah damn. You replied while I was not so ninja editing.

takola

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Ah damn. You replied while I was not so ninja editing.

Just for transparency sake, the moderation on this thread comes from me, not Sully. I've infracted Sully's post because of his offensive language and name calling.

Abouttobebanned, I notice you're quick to back down when your digs are met with valid remarks on the moderation. I'm not sure if that's because you can't back up your complaints or not.

Sully, quite rightly, realised that you had an issue with him personally some time ago, and decided it would be best not to moderate you himself. I've stepped in since then, and for the most point I've ignored your constant digs and complaining because overall, you're a good poster.

However, at this point being a good poster isn't enough incentive to ignore what is fast becoming harrassment of a mod (as I see it, anyway). If you have a problem with the moderation of the forum, take it up with the CMod's. You can find them at the bottom of the forum. If there are any more complaints or digs made within the forum, I will issue a ban. Enough is enough at this point.

Nypd

Jeysus this is like watching a bad episode of fair city.
Cue Bella Doyle with a disapproving disappointed look in his eyes.

Bards

I would prefer to leave the status quo as is, otherwise you risk diluting and possibly diminishing what is a perfectly fine forum.

As the old saying goes - "If it ain't broke - Don't fix it"

decies

As I said at the end of last year would like to see the humour threads continued we have seen a bit too much lads feeling the pressure of one thing or another in these troubled times. I was allowed to be abused on one forum because of one team I support lol,wouldn't want to go down that road but let's get the famous Waterford humour going.

nkay1985

This is a tough one to call alright. I'm not sure what benefit a merger would be to this forum. On the other hand, I'm not sure what harm a merger would do either.

I think I'd be inclined to err on the side of caution and leave things as they are.

abouttobebanned

takola wrote: »

Just for transparency sake, the moderation on this thread comes from me, not Sully. I've infracted Sully's post because of his offensive language and name calling.

Abouttobebanned, I notice you're quick to back down when your digs are met with valid remarks on the moderation. I'm not sure if that's because you can't back up your complaints or not.

Sully, quite rightly, realised that you had an issue with him personally some time ago, and decided it would be best not to moderate you himself. I've stepped in since then, and for the most point I've ignored your constant digs and complaining because overall, you're a good poster.

However, at this point being a good poster isn't enough incentive to ignore what is fast becoming harrassment of a mod (as I see it, anyway). If you have a problem with the moderation of the forum, take it up with the CMod's. You can find them at the bottom of the forum. If there are any more complaints or digs made within the forum, I will issue a ban. Enough is enough at this point.

Just to clarify, I hadnt even read his reply after I "backed down" as you call it. I just didn't want to get into another slagging match on a public forum.

merlante

AdMMM wrote: »

I think we should keep the two forums. Just to emphasise that we're an actual city

Aside from that... which provides an educational role for some on boards (although nothing sounds more rural than the phrase "we're a city"), there is another point.

If there is no discussion on the Co. Waterford board, then why scrap the city one. If you take city out of the title you inevitably change the focus of the board from an urban to a county focus. If the city board is going well, why change it? In fairness, what's wrong with just leaving things the way they are?

And anyway, the Wexford board, with a population of 120K or so, has 12,603 posts, whilst the Waterford County board with a population of 60K has 7,381 posts. Seems to me that the County board is doing no worse than other counties. In the case of Kilkenny, the county board is literally dead, because everyone is posting on the city board, but the County Waterford board, with the same population, has 10 times the traffic.

Why not just leave it be?

Beeker

Merge them. A lot of people live in the county and work in the city and some the other way. Most people in the city visit the county, Tramore, Dungarvan etc.
Most topics are relevent and of interest to both city and county.

batm!ke

I'd leave them be. Not being nasty but I actually have no interest what is happening in the county most of the time. I take Sully's point about the County Forum being dead but I do think the City forum would be diluted if merged. Broadband in Dungarvan or whatever would probably get overlooked in the City forum too for example.

Max Powers

id leave them, a lot of the posts in the county section are county interest mostly, dungarvan, ardmore etc. The traffic on city section is exntesive enough. In fact, i just checked there and there is more people viewing county section (4) than viewing KK city (3), somethign like 47 on Waterford city boards

membersonly

What does an infraction mean? Does it mean Sully is banned?

The lunatics will take over the asylum!

Nypd

If its not broken don't fix it

Sully

membersonly wrote: »

What does an infraction mean? Does it mean Sully is banned?

The lunatics will take over the asylum!

Cant get rid of me that easily Its basically an official warning on my Boards Account. You build up 10 over a short period and your sitebanned automatically. Otherwise its just record keeping and can be used by mods later if an issue persists.

Nypd wrote: »

If its not broken don't fix it

Surprised at the mixed reaction so far. I thought more people would be in favour of having it merged, so that county topics would be replied to and/or discussion increased. Its fairly quiet in there and a lot of people tend to just post in the City forum to get answers/discussions.

wellboytoo

Seeing as I started it may as well voice my opinion,One forum is the most sensible approach, a one stop shop for everything Waterford,the City County divide is a negative thing in reality and virtually.

Nypd

Looking at topics on County it is better they are seperated they have zero relevance to city.
Important city topics or county for that matter may be lost.

kkdela6

merlante wrote: »

I'd prefer to keep them separate. No interest in 'agricultural' threads or East v West GAA threads appearing where the city threads used to be.

Ledger wrote: »

agricultural threads? do you think anyone outside the city is a farmer?:rolleyes:

Hey! us farmers are people too!

merlante

Nypd wrote: »

Looking at topics on County it is better they are seperated they have zero relevance to city.
Important city topics or county for that matter may be lost.

Yeah, I mean:
- any tractor drivers here ? help
- Moving to Dungarvan - Where to rent???
- Annestown, where's the pub?
- Anyone eaten in the Bride View Bar in Tallow recently?

What relevance do these topics have to the city? Why not throw Kilkenny and Carlow in while you're at it? (Or do we have to play by old English/GAA boundaries?)

Sully

merlante wrote: »

Yeah, I mean:
- any tractor drivers here ? help
- Moving to Dungarvan - Where to rent???
- Annestown, where's the pub?
- Anyone eaten in the Bride View Bar in Tallow recently?

What relevance do these topics have to the city? Why not throw Kilkenny and Carlow in while you're at it? (Or do we have to play by old English/GAA boundaries?)

The forum wouldn't be about the City. It would cover City and County in one place, because demand didn't appear to be there for separate forums and some people wanted to post here anyway and didn't like them being moved.

membersonly

Who says the country people would want to post here anyway? It can get a bit aggro, abusive posters getting infractions and the like.

Leave it be I say.

ft9

Copying Kilkenny again......

cococoady

Hey are we not all from Waterford????
What's the big deal. Merge em as one I say

merlante

Sully wrote: »

The forum wouldn't be about the City. It would cover City and County in one place, because demand didn't appear to be there for separate forums and some people wanted to post here anyway and didn't like them being moved.

That's the problem, the city crowd don't want to talk about tractors. What city board threads most made you think there was demand to talk about tractors? :P

fuzzy dunlop

cococoady wrote: »

Hey are we not all from Waterford????
What's the big deal. Merge em as one I say

Save that for the GAA.In reality City and County are different places and represent the typical urban/rura lor town and country divide.The forums should not be merged for this reason.If people compalin about their threads being moved it should be explained that there is a less chance of a response in a meged forum because it will be quickly pushed along the queue by the more active city users.

fuzzy dunlop

Sully wrote: »

The county forum is dead. Anytime we try move threads to it from here, it causes uproar (much like moderation in general).

If the county forum is then dead close that,A merged forum won't do anything for traffic on county issues as they will be pushed down the queue quicker.You;re just emasculating the name of the city forum.

S28382

Sully wrote: »

That's a load of bull and your only stirring.

Plenty of those threads knocking about that are left be, so hardly. A long time before you came, we were asked to create a "General Chit Chat" thread exactly for that type of thing. When people posted non-Waterford specific stuff, a lot of people complained. A lot of people complained when we acted. Either way, we didn't win. There are a few threads that are random, AH style, that should not be here. But there left anyway and are still active.

We cant please everyone. No matter what we do, people complain. Not everybody is as vocal as you complaining on the forum, most use PM or Reported Post (as per Boards Guidelines).

The large majority of moderation, bar spam removal (which STILL draws complaints!), is done based on feedback, reported posts or how Boards works and how we are told to moderate. If you cant put up with it, move on. Other sites who have had a relaxed free for all approach have closed down. The Waterford Forum remains.

A lot of stuff we do is as we are told, but people (like you) complain. Iv explained this to you before, but you insist on being an ass and complaining anyway. It would appear that there is no pleasing you.

As always, anything I or any of the mods do can be appealed. If you think I am over modding, make a complaint to ziedth, Aquos76 or takola. If you are not happy, go to the CMods (who watch the forum anyway and have acted on reported posts from this week already without being called).

But for the love of god, stop ****ing complaining if you wont do anything about it.

Sully thats a very well put reply fair play. Some folks are only complaining just so they have something to complain about and they just seemed to jump on the mini boards revolution bandwagon that no one really cares about, If some one decides to cancel their account thats their own choice sure arent we all free people we can do as we please oh and for what its worth i think merging the Waterford forums is a good a idea they are after all about Waterford so it makes sense to have just one forum.

fuzzy dunlop

S28382 wrote: »

Sully thats a very well put reply fair play. Some folks are only complaining just so they have something to complain about and they just seemed to jump on the mini boards revolution bandwagon that no one really cares about, If some one decides to cancel their account thats their own choice sure arent we all free people we can do as we please oh and for what its worth i think merging the Waterford forums is a good a idea they are after all about Waterford so it makes sense to have just one forum.

Only nominally are they all about Waterford.The majority of the county posts have little or no interest relevance to the City forum if they did the county forum would have more traffic.

BlaasForRafa

If Galway and Cork retain seperate City boards then we shouldn't dilute our city board.

S28382

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

Only nominally are they all about Waterford.The majority of the county posts have little or no interest relevance to the City forum if they did the county forum would have more traffic.

Maybe so but what harm would it be doing if they were merged??

Odats

I wouldn't be in favour of the merger. It is a tough one considering most Eastern parts of the county e.g. Tramore, Dunmore would have more relevance to the city forum than say Dungarvan or Tallow.

Maybe as a solution split the forum on East and West Waterford relevance.

fuzzy dunlop

S28382 wrote: »

Maybe so but what harm would it be doing if they were merged??

What harm would it do to leave it as it is?