Drug testing for a job.

120_Minutes

My misses has just been offered a job by a company based in the city., lets just call them..... Banana. She has to pass a medical which includes a drug test. She's freaking as she has smoked in the last 30 days. She really wants this job as she's been out of work for a long time and it's a company she wants to work for.

Has anyone been in this situation? A google search brings up conflicting info with one guy saying he failed yet still got the job, and another guy saying the opposite.

There's a lack of personal experience posted online about this, which I suppose given this companys penchant for secrecy is understandable,

LenaClaire

My brother had a similar problem. He drank lots and lots and lots of green tea for two days leading up to the test and he passed. I have no idea if that will help or not but it worked for him.

run_Forrest_run

Cranberry Juice may help too....or I could be totally wrong, but no harm in trying..without the vodka though;)

Ironically if this 'Banana' company is the one I'm thinking of isn't it funny how the co-founder of the company once even told people they should all try acid and he likes the rebellious spirit in those who are part of the 'counter-culture'

120_Minutes

Thanks guys, but I'm not looking for ways for her to pass, she's read up on the all and a lot of them are bull. I'm more interested in people who have gone through this situation for this company. Did anyone fail and still get employed?

AEDIC

120_Minutes wrote: »

Thanks guys, but I'm not looking for ways for her to pass, she's read up on the all and a lot of them are bull. I'm more interested in people who have gone through this situation for this company. Did anyone fail and still get employed?

Sorry buddy, a fail for this test in this 'banana' company will mean no job ironically enough.

minidazzler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_test

Weed doesnt really stay in your system that long. It's just a made up scare tactic.

Tazzle

Of interest ->
http://tidsskriftet.no/article/2086722

The inlet size Påvisningstid
Single Intake
Up to 1 week

Moderate use (up to four days / week)
1 - 2 weeks

Chronic daily use
4 - 6 weeks

Chronic daily use - extreme cases
Up to 3 months

See also figure 2 and related graph, which interestingly shows how conc levels ~ fluid intake. Google chrome will translate for you, or just run it through google translate yourself.

54kroc

120_Minutes wrote: »

Thanks guys, but I'm not looking for ways for her to pass, she's read up on the all and a lot of them are bull. I'm more interested in people who have gone through this situation for this company. Did anyone fail and still get employed?

I was in the same boat with a bit more than dube in my system, I was kinda worried but I got the job and nothing was ever said.

Ronan cork

Just tell her to relax or she'll get rejected for high blood pressure or something! If she fails and they pull her on it plead innocence and demand to be re-tested, these tests are not 100% accurate so they'll probably take her word for it if it's trace amounts anyway

She could also say that you smoke every now and again but she doesn't...

charlemont

All you got to say if it fails is that you were in the company of people who were smoking it at a party or so.

DamienH

If she smokes every day, there's no way in hell she'll pass within at least 3 weeks. If it was just a few drags off a joint, she'll be fine. THC is stored in fat cells so if she's overweight/sedentary there's more of a chance to fail.

Personally I'd go to a chemist and get one of those tests that you have to pee on first. If she fails that then she'll just have to get some clean urine from someone she knows, not ideal but it's pretty easy to do.

Another way is to drink lots of water, probably 2-3L about an hour before the test. Some companies will reject this watered urine because it's almost transparent. To combat this you've to get a bottle of B Complex vitamin tablets and take about twice the daily dose. Anyone who's taken lots of B will know that it makes your pee turn a vibrant orange/yellow (some weightlifters take it to aid recovery). Again you can do a dry run (I'm sorry) with drug tests from chemists to make sure you have it down.

It's not hard to do at all, and if she wants the job it'll just take a bit of effort. If you've got any questions let me know. I learned all this before because I had to pass a visa medical that involved a drug test, and the knowledge has just stuck with me. The test will be a urine test, blood and hair are too expensive and uncommon.

It wouldn't be a company operating in the area of Musgrave Park would it?

120_Minutes

AEDIC wrote: »

Sorry buddy, a fail for this test in this 'banana' company will mean no job ironically enough.

54kroc wrote: »

I was in the same boat with a bit more than dube in my system, I was kinda worried but I got the job and nothing was ever said.

See, this is the reason for my OP. how can both these situations be true? are both of your posts referring to the same company?

LenaClaire

My guess is that if "nothing was said" they passed the test. These tests do not catch everything so casual users can sometimes pass.

They don't tell you the results unless you fail the test.

DamienH

There's too many variables to be able to give a black and white answer on drug testing. One thing's for sure though; if you fail the test you're not going to get the job.

120_Minutes

thanks all, one final question. best driving approach to "banana" starting at the dunkettle exchange? i'm thinking glanmire/north ring and across as i'd say the traffic is hell on the quays in the mornings (thankfully i dont work in the city centre)

54kroc

God man I didn't realize this banana place was real, lol.
Disregard my earlier post.

mathepac

minidazzler wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_test

Weed doesnt really stay in your system that long. It's just a made up scare tactic.

Rubbish. Even your own questionable reference contradicts that stupid statement.

120_Minutes

54kroc wrote: »

God man I didn't realize this banana place was real, lol.
Disregard my earlier post.

Lay off the hard stuff!

120_Minutes

mathepac wrote: »

Rubbish. Even your own questionable reference contradicts that stupid statement.

agreed, the last time she smoked was in january whilst on holidays abroad (almost) everyday and took a home test the other day and failed it. she hadnt smoked since shed been home.

mikom

A spliff a day keeps the apple away.

Old Chinese proverb.

120_Minutes

Banana!

Faith

Jesus, the penny has only just dropped about where "Banana" actually is .

54kroc

Ah come on will someone tell me please.

mathepac

Referred to in a Tom Hanks film as "the fruit company".

rebel.ranter

Faith wrote: »

Jesus, the penny has only just dropped about where "Banana" actually is .

Orange was sticking in my head as the name for some reason, I googled "founder company try acid" & discovered it wasn't Orange.?..

Not a hint:

http://www.afloat.ie/port-news/port-of-cork/item/17919-the-banana-trade-returns-to-cork

tkdungarvan

my understanding of drug testing for the purposes of getting a job is to ensure that the potential employee does not have high levels of any substance in their system. In other words they do not want to employ people with a "habit" or possible addiction. Having a low dose of THC in your system in my opinion is not going to be a reason for her not to get the job. Obviously it would not be in "Bananas" interest to have a coke or smack addict working for them for obvious reasons.

mathepac

tkdungarvan wrote: »

my understanding of drug testing for the purposes of getting a job is to ensure that the potential employee does not have high levels of any substance in their system. In other words they do not want to employ people with a "habit" or possible addiction...

Yes, I agree. I took this as my specialist subject in "MasterMind, the Stoner Chronicles"

tkdungarvan wrote: »

... Having a low dose of THC in your system in my opinion is not going to be a reason for her not to get the job. ...

Well hopefully you don't work in HR in the Fruit Company.

tkdungarvan wrote: »

... Obviously it would not be in "Bananas" interest to have a coke or smack addict working for them for obvious reasons.

Doh!

aidan_walsh

54kroc wrote: »

Ah come on will someone tell me please.

iHave no idea.

nursemar88

hahaha i totally just got what it was! God I'm slow!

Janedoe10

Ya there is a reason why there are tests .. Company does not need potential of some one coming into work doped up .. U already said that some one had it ( almost ) every day on holiday ... So when they have regular income will the frequency increase ...? Good luck to her though she prob realises now the implications of what ever she was smoking ...

spagboll

smoke a joint and test the next day FAIL
smoke and test 2 days later FAIL
smoke and test 3 days later MIGHT BE OK
after that you're fine

120_Minutes

Janedoe10 wrote: »

Ya there is a reason why there are tests .. Company does not need potential of some one coming into work doped up .. U already said that some one had it ( almost ) every day on holiday ... So when they have regular income will the frequency increase ...? Good luck to her though she prob realises now the implications of what ever she was smoking ...

you post is very misinformed, she was on holiday and enjoying herself. she doesnt do it everyday when at home. we smoke when we can afford it and dont when we cant. when people earn more do they drink more? no, not everyone does. so to say the same for weed is silly. and we both agree that drug testing for a soft drug that is less harmful than drink is stupid. harder drugs, yes. but not weed.

Good day ma'am.

Ludo

120_Minutes wrote: »

you post is very misinformed, she was on holiday and enjoying herself. she doesnt do it everyday when at home. we smoke when we can afford it and dont when we cant. when people earn more do they drink more? no, not everyone does. so to say the same for weed is silly. and we both agree that drug testing for a soft drug that is less harmful than drink is stupid. harder drugs, yes. but not weed.

Good day ma'am.

Are you smoking something now????

54kroc

120_Minutes wrote: »

you post is very misinformed, she was on holiday and enjoying herself. she doesnt do it everyday when at home. we smoke when we can afford it and dont when we cant. when people earn more do they drink more? no, not everyone does. so to say the same for weed is silly. and we both agree that drug testing for a soft drug that is less harmful than drink is stupid. harder drugs, yes. but not weed.

Good day ma'am.

I think once someone is doing their job well it shouldn't matter what they do in their own time.

From my experience and from what I've observed people who smoke dube or drink heavy are, if the opportunity arises more likely to do so during work hours than someone who takes harder drugs.

I wouldn't separate soft drugs use from hard drugs either though.

Brianderunner

Fake urine sample?

120_Minutes

Ludo wrote: »

Are you smoking something now????

What, if anything, in my post would lead you to believe that?

54kroc wrote: »

I think once someone is doing their job well it shouldn't matter what they do in their own time.

agreed

BUT

From my experience and from what I've observed people who smoke dube or drink heavy are, if the opportunity arises more likely to do so during work hours than someone who takes harder drugs.

doesnt make sense

I've smoked on and off for over 15 years now, and I've NEVER done it on the job. that same as any sane person would never drink on the job, and i've gone to work the next morning after a night on the smoke feeling much better than a night on the drink.

I wouldn't separate soft drugs use from hard drugs either though.

I would, so coffee=fags=beer=weed=lsd=heroin in your opinion, yeah?

and its doob, not dube :cool:

54kroc

120_Minutes wrote: »

What, if anything, in my post would lead you to believe that?



agreed

BUT



doesnt make sense

I've smoked on and off for over 15 years now, and I've NEVER done it on the job. that same as any sane person would never drink on the job, and i've gone to work the next morning after a night on the smoke feeling much better than a night on the drink.



I would, so coffee=fags=beer=weed=lsd=heroin in your opinion, yeah?

and its doob, not dube :cool:

Your away with the fairies fella, are you sure you smoke? do you live in the real world or your own little dream world.
Do yourself a favor stop posting rubbish and stfu

Janedoe10

U do have to accept the reason behind companies having certain conditions and criteria that they use to screen potential candidates .. If your girlfriend is worried about certain tests get her to suss out if she can post pone the medical exam ..

deRanged

54kroc wrote: »

stfu

no. no no no. that's not polite discourse. not even close.

This is all very amusing and all that but unless someone has something useful to say, that's on topic, this thread has run it's course.

how to pass drug tests, whether or not people should do drugs etc, is all off topic. you can take that to some other forum.

120_Minutes

54kroc wrote: »

Your away with the fairies fella, are you sure you smoke? do you live in the real world or your own little dream world.
Do yourself a favor stop posting rubbish and stfu

Before the thread is locked, please point out what's wrong with my statements, and why they are rubbish and refrain from using personal abuse. Also, please answer the question I posed in my previous post as to why you can't separate hard and soft drugs.

With mods permission I'd like it remained open until 54kroc addresses this.

120_Minutes

Janedoe10 wrote: »

U do have to accept the reason behind companies having certain conditions and criteria that they use to screen potential candidates .. If your girlfriend is worried about certain tests get her to suss out if she can post pone the medical exam ..

We both accept the reason, the same way we both accept marijuana is a controllled substance. It does not mean we agree with it.

I'm sorry that the thread is derailed but I can't sit by and let what I believe to be misguided opinions remain unchallenged. My opinions on this thread have been called rubbish.... But no ones has given me reasons why.

Yet another poster says "people who smoke and drink heavily are more likely to do it on the job" really?

Another poster asks that if someone is earning more they're likely to consume more illegal drugs? That's like asking if they'll buy more beer in the offie or put more petrol in their car.

And to say "she probably realises the implications of what she was smoking" is quite patronising. Yes she realises that something she took a month ago which doesn't affect her ability to do work 24 hours later, let alone a month later could prevent her from getting a job now. doesn't that seem wrong?

Apologies for the rant.

mathepac

120_Minutes wrote: »

... Also, please answer the question I posed in my previous post as to why you can't separate hard and soft drugs...

To be fair to the mods and in the context of the OP, was the girl-friend doing hard drugs or soft drugs on holiday and how do you (or she) differentiate? Do you think the Fruit Company differentiates?

Before anyone dives in with an answer, most differentiations I have seen are at the same intellectual level as the "How many pints can I drink before I fail a breath-test?" questions

120_Minutes

mathepac wrote: »

To be fair to the mods and in the context of the OP, was the girl-friend doing hard drugs or soft drugs on holiday and how do you (or she) differentiate? Do you think the Fruit Company differentiates?

Before anyone dives in with an answer, most differentiations I have seen are at the same intellectual level as the "How many pints can I drink before I fail a breath-test?" questions

Marijuana. We do not use any hard drugs. In fact neither of us hardly drink anymore. We see it as:

Coffee, alcohol, fags, weed= soft drugs
LSD, speed, cocaine, heroin= hard drugs

In fact we think weed is less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco, with more benefits than the two, and others can dive in here with "well that's your opinion". But it's more than that, it's a belief.

And, it's not about quantity. To equate a drugs test to a breathalyser, one sip of beer won't get you banned from the road, but one toke of a joint will stop you getting a job. Again, doesn't that seem wrong to anyone else?

mathepac

120_Minutes wrote: »

Marijuana. We do not use any hard drugs. In fact neither of us hardly drink anymore. We see it as:

Coffee, alcohol, fags, weed= soft drugs
LSD, speed, cocaine, heroin= hard drugs

In fact we think weed is less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco, with more benefits than the two, and others can dive in here with "well that's your opinion". But it's more than that, it's a belief.

And, it's not about quantity. To equate a drugs test to a breathalyser, one sip of beer won't get you banned from the road, but one toke of a joint will stop you getting a job. Again, doesn't that seem wrong to anyone else?

Apart from the obvious need to educate yourselves about drugs and the law, all multinational companies see themselves as corporate guests and usually have a charter that commits them to being good corporate citizens, working within the context of local legal requirements. This charter extends to their employees, so consumption of an illegal substance is an absolute no-no, apart from the issue of having intoxicated employees (from legal or illegal substances) loose in the work-place.

54kroc

deRanged wrote: »

no. no no no. that's not polite discourse. not even close.

This is all very amusing and all that but unless someone has something useful to say, that's on topic, this thread has run it's course.

how to pass drug tests, whether or not people should do drugs etc, is all off topic. you can take that to some other forum.

120_Minutes wrote: »

Before the thread is locked, please point out what's wrong with my statements, and why they are rubbish and refrain from using personal abuse. Also, please answer the question I posed in my previous post as to why you can't separate hard and soft drugs.

With mods permission I'd like it remained open until 54kroc addresses this.

120_Minutes, my post was wrong and well out of order, I sincerely apologize.

Clearly we both have different definitions of what soft drugs are.
A soft drugs to me is something like dube, not coffee or fags, a hard drug would be heroin or coke.

You say my previous post about what I observed doesn't make sense, This is something I've seen people do for myself on many occasions.
A joint at a break or alcohol with lunch, I'm talking about people like builders, solicitors and architects.
The point I'm making is that I've seen people from all types jobs happily have a drink or a smoke during work but I've never seen someone use hard drugs during work.

When I said I wouldn't separate soft drug use from hard what I meant was, imo drug use is drug use (again I don't mean coffee or fags) weather that be smoking a joint or snorting a line of something, but thats just my opinion.
I don't mind what people do in their own time once their job is done well.

Again I apologize for my previous post and I wish your bird all the best in her interview.

Stark

mathepac wrote: »

Apart from the obvious need to educate yourselves about drugs and the law, all multinational companies see themselves as corporate guests and usually have a charter that commits them to being good corporate citizens, working within the context of local legal requirements. This charter extends to their employees, so consumption of an illegal substance is an absolute no-no, apart from the issue of having intoxicated employees (from legal or illegal substances) loose in the work-place.

I've worked for many multinationals and never once had to do a drug test. It's none of their business and it's certainly not their responsibility to shape the good citizens of Ireland.

mathepac

Stark wrote: »

... It's none of their business and it's certainly not their responsibility to shape the good citizens of Ireland.

It certainly is their business to ensure that no intoxicated employee having consumed legal or illegal drugs enters their premises. The Fruit Company have every right to expect their employees to show up drug-free and fit to carry out their duties and observe the laws of the state while there.

dearg lady

120_Minutes wrote: »

we smoke when we can afford it and dont when we cant. when people earn more do they drink more? no, not everyone does. so to say the same for weed is silly.

120_Minutes wrote: »

Another poster asks that if someone is earning more they're likely to consume more illegal drugs? That's like asking if they'll buy more beer in the offie or put more petrol in their car.

You seem to contradict yourself, outraged that someone would suggest she would smoke more while earning more, yet you said exactly that in a previous post.

120_Minutes wrote: »

I've smoked on and off for over 15 years now, and I've NEVER done it on the job. that same as any sane person would never drink on the job, and i've gone to work the next morning after a night on the smoke feeling much better than a night on the drink.

Smoking for a long time doesn't make you a heavy user, smoking a lot makes you a heavy user.

120_Minutes wrote: »

and we both agree that drug testing for a soft drug that is less harmful than drink is stupid. harder drugs, yes. but not weed.

120_Minutes wrote: »

I would, so coffee=fags=beer=weed=lsd=heroin in your opinion, yeah?

LSD is also considered less harmful than alcohol by many people but you seem to have it in your 'hard drugs' list?

deRanged

the original question was

120_Minutes wrote:

Has anyone been in this situation? A google search brings up conflicting info with one guy saying he failed yet still got the job, and another guy saying the opposite.

lengthy debates about the morality of drug use, the hardness of drugs, and so on are all off topic. I'm closing this very soon unless useful, *on topic* things are posted.

mongdesade

Try this to set your other halfs maind at ease...

http://www.inhealth.ie/Products/Home-Drug-Test---1-Test__4006.aspx

dearg lady

deRanged wrote: »

the original question was


lengthy debates about the morality of drug use, the hardness of drugs, and so on are all off topic. I'm closing this very soon unless useful, *on topic* things are posted.

Sorry, sometimes it's hard not to get dragged in! OP, you say she did a test form the pharmacy which she failed, how long after the smoking did she do the test? I would expect that if they choose to include a drug test, then it likely would disqualify a person if they failed, otherwise I would wonder why they would have it at all.