Clumsy Iranian Terrorist blows his own leg off

BlaasForRafa

It seems that in response to the killing of several Iranian nuclear scientist, Iran has embarked on a campaign of targeting basically any Israelis that they can find anywhere in the world. There have been attacks in India and Thailand and forestalled attempts in Georgia and Azerbaijan, all countries with significant military or trade relations with Israel.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/iranian-bomber-maimed-blasts-thai-capital-220317825.html

BANGKOK (Reuters) - An Iranian man was seriously wounded in Bangkok on Tuesday when a bomb he was carrying exploded and blew one of his legs off in an incident Israel said was an attempted terrorist attack by Iran.

Shortly beforehand, there had been an explosion in a house the man was renting in the Ekamai area of central Bangkok. Soon after that, there was a third blast on a nearby road, Thai police and officials said.

"The police have control of the situation. It is thought that the suspect might be storing more explosives inside his house," government spokeswoman Thitima Chaisaeng told reporters.

Police said they had detained another suspect at Bangkok's main Suvarnabhumi airport, one of two men they were looking for who had been living at the house where the initial blast took place.

"We discovered the injured man's passport. It's an Iranian passport and he entered the country through Phuket and arrived at Suvarnabhumi Airport on the 8th of this month," Police General Bansiri Prapapat told Reuters.

Luckily it seems that the Iranians in these incidents haven't been very effective with one israeli woman in india and four Thai nationals in Bangkok being wounded. The whole thing seems like very cliched though, in a "just what you'd expect from those crazy terrorist iranians".

Wouldn't Irans best move have been a dignified silence?

Nodin

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

It seems that in response to the killing of several Iranian nuclear scientist, Iran has embarked on a campaign of targeting basically any Israelis that they can find anywhere in the world.

...any attack via Lebanon would lead to mass lebanese deaths, so presumably attacks on diplomats was viewed as the least dangerous option. To be thankful for small mercies, at least they haven't targeted Jewish communities.

wes

Its sad to see things escalting like this, but violence is often met with more violence. Both sides ought to stop these covert actions, before they make things worse.

RichieC

wes wrote: »

Its sad to see things escalting like this, but violence is often met with more violence. Both sides ought to stop these covert actions, before they make things worse.

Too late for all that. this is just the brink of a shooting war, the war that Israel and the US have been after since the early nineties.

I openly hope they get burned bad from this. there's no other way their lessons will be learned.

wes

RichieC wrote: »

I openly hope they get burned bad from this. there's no other way their lessons will be learned.

I think if there is a war, it will be a lot more than just those who get involved who get burned. The world economy will suffer, due to the war mongering stupidity going on.

I am pie

RichieC wrote: »

Too late for all that. this is just the brink of a shooting war, the war that Israel and the US have been after since the early nineties.

I openly hope they get burned bad from this. there's no other way their lessons will be learned.

What a completely horrid sentiment. Very one sided also. There are no good guys as far as I can tell in this scenario, however, to hope that one side gets badly burned in a shooting war cretinous in the extreme.

gizmo555

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Luckily it seems that the Iranians in these incidents haven't been very effective with one israeli woman in india and four Thai nationals in Bangkok being wounded. The whole thing seems like very cliched though, in a "just what you'd expect from those crazy terrorist iranians".

Wouldn't Irans best move have been a dignified silence?

Indeed. Just because he had an Iranian passport doesn't necessarily mean that he is either Iranian or was acting on direction from the Iranian government. No more than the fact that, when Israel had him killed, some of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh's assassins carried Irish passports proved they were Irish government agents.

RichieC

I am pie wrote: »

What a completely horrid sentiment. Very one sided also. There are no good guys as far as I can tell in this scenario, however, to hope that one side gets badly burned in a shooting war cretinous in the extreme.

A shooting war they are starting.

Border-Rat

I am pie wrote: »

What a completely horrid sentiment. Very one sided also. There are no good guys as far as I can tell in this scenario, however, to hope that one side gets badly burned in a shooting war cretinous in the extreme.

His opinion is secluded on this board. The majority of people here are cheerleaders for mass murder of Arabs.

charlemont

gizmo555 wrote: »

Indeed. Just because he had an Iranian passport doesn't necessarily mean that he is either Iranian or was acting on direction from the Iranian government. No more than the fact that, when Israel had him killed, some of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh's assassins carried Irish passports proved they were Irish government agents.

Exactly what I thought too, If the Iranians did it they would do a better job.

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Kepti

Iraq is a distant memory, time to start the new war. This time they really have WMD's, or at least they're trying really hard to get them. Honest.

Sawyer begins by warning of “a kind of shadow war being waged by Iran around the world” — based on her blind acceptance of totally unproven Israeli accusations that Iran was behind three bombings yesterday in India, Georgia and Thailand, and without any mention of the constant attacks on Iran over the course of several years by the U.S. and Israel.

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/15/diane_sawyer_and_brian_ross_belong_in_a_fear_mongering_museum/singleton/

GSF

Its a shame Ireland is closing the Tehran embassy as they could use it to promote Ireland as a tourist destination where extreme haters of all things Israel will feel right at home.

BlaasForRafa

Nodin wrote: »

...any attack via Lebanon would lead to mass lebanese deaths, so presumably attacks on diplomats was viewed as the least dangerous option. To be thankful for small mercies, at least they haven't targeted Jewish communities.

According to a recent Haaretz report two rabbis in Azerbaijan were targeted as well but the Azeri authorities arrested the conspirators.

southsiderosie

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

According to a recent Haaretz report two rabbis in Azerbaijan were targeted as well but the Azeri authorities arrested the conspirators.

Do you have a link for that?

BlaasForRafa

Kepti wrote: »

Iraq is a distant memory, time to start the new war. This time they really have WMD's, or at least they're trying really hard to get them. Honest.



http://www.salon.com/2012/02/15/diane_sawyer_and_brian_ross_belong_in_a_fear_mongering_museum/singleton/
Sawyer begins by warning of “a kind of shadow war being waged by Iran around the world” — based on her blind acceptance of totally unproven Israeli accusations that Iran was behind three bombings yesterday in India, Georgia and Thailand, and without any mention of the constant attacks on Iran over the course of several years by the U.S. and Israel.

Unproven? On the one hand you have several dead nuclear scientists who it is presumed were killed by Israeli agents, despite the Iranians presenting no proof and arresting nobody. On the other hand you have two Iranian agents in custody one of whom now only has 1 and 1/4 legs due to a bomb exploding on his motorbike.

BlaasForRafa

southsiderosie wrote: »

Do you have a link for that?

I do indeed. It was actually 1 rabbi and 1 teacher that were the targets, my apologies.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/azerbaijan-thwarts-terror-attack-against-israeli-jewish-targets-1.408705

The Azeri ministry said it had arrested a cell that planned to "kill public activists," before it became apparent that the intended victims were two Israeli Chabad emissaries, a rabbi and a teacher employed by the "Chabad Or Avner" Jewish school in Baku. The ministry said that the three men, named as Rasim Aliyev, Ali Huseynov and Balaqardash Dadashov, received smuggled arms and equipment from Iranian agents. The action was apparently planned as retaliation to the gunning down of Iranian nuclear scientists.

imme

If Iran is as good at espionage as it is at making nuclear bombs I fear for us all.

I think holidays in the med will have to be put off a while.:o

wes

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Unproven? On the one hand you have several dead nuclear scientists who it is presumed were killed by Israeli agents, despite the Iranians presenting no proof and arresting nobody. On the other hand you have two Iranian agents in custody one of whom now only has 1 and 1/4 legs due to a bomb exploding on his motorbike.

Yes, it is unproven:

Thai officials search for Bangkok bombers' target

--SNIP--
In Bangkok, the Thai official said the nationalities of the suspects had yet to be confirmed. "They have Iranian passports and documents but we haven't concluded that they are in fact Iranian," he said.
--SNIP--

Sure Iran are the most likely culprits, but there isn't any proof there Iranian agents. There always seems to far lower level of proof when it comes to Iran imho. If we are to declare Iran guilty, then we should say the same of Israel.

Also, the Indians suspect the following:
Attack similar to Jama Masjid blast

So looks like the Indians don't even suspect Iran, and surely Iran wouldn't want to piss of India, as there on of there major oil customers, and they they cooperate with India in Afghanistan as well. So not as clear cut as you like to present.

Jaafa

Really doesn't strike me as an Iranian job. Several reasons.

If Iran was to do this officially, it would no doubt the Al-Quds force, it's version of the CIA. Highly respected even by western countries, and thought to have carried out several organized and efficient attacks against US soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, none of which they were ever caught for.

The amateur nature of the latest attacks (failed to kill anyone in India, hurt themselves in this attack), yet they carry these sophisticated magnetic bombs, this to me indicates that these guys were hired thugs.
Probably hired by the ISI(known to have rouge elements), one of the Gulf countries(would love if Iran got more heat/sanctions on it) or Israel, given these bombs, and told to get at it.

The part that really sticks out is the fact they had passports on them. I mean really? Really? Your going to carry out multiple attacks in several countries, go to all the trouble of keeping it secret until now and probably wishing to keep it secret afterwards too, and you keep your passport on you? Your real passport? Not even a fake? Please, use some common sense here.

Prime candidates for me are the MEK or Jundallah, groups easily hired by the highest bidder, possibly backed by one of the above parties.

Never mind the fact that Iran would never want to risk harming relations with any of these countries, and if they did risk it they bloody well would make sure they got it right, and not get caught/fail to kill anyone/injure themselves.

gizmo555

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Unproven? On the one hand you have several dead nuclear scientists who it is presumed were killed by Israeli agents, despite the Iranians presenting no proof and arresting nobody. On the other hand you have two Iranian agents in custody one of whom now only has 1 and 1/4 legs due to a bomb exploding on his motorbike.

What proof is there that they are Iranian agents, or even that they are Iranian?

Ollie North and his colleagues used Irish passports when they travelled to Iran during the Iran-Contra affair. Did that make them Irish agents?

maddragon

"Probably hired by the ISI(known to have rouge elements), one of the Gulf countries(would love if Iran got more heat/sanctions on it) or Israel, given these bombs, and told to get at it. "

What's a rouge element- sounds camp. Lots of explosives secreted in make up containers and tubes of mascara.

Nodin

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

According to a recent Haaretz report two rabbis in Azerbaijan were targeted as well but the Azeri authorities arrested the conspirators.

One would hope theres no more of that.

BlaasForRafa

Jaafa wrote: »

Really doesn't strike me as an Iranian job. Several reasons.

If Iran was to do this officially, it would no doubt the Al-Quds force, it's version of the CIA. Highly respected even by western countries, and thought to have carried out several organized and efficient attacks against US soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, none of which they were ever caught for.

The amateur nature of the latest attacks (failed to kill anyone in India, hurt themselves in this attack), yet they carry these sophisticated magnetic bombs, this to me indicates that these guys were hired thugs.
Probably hired by the ISI(known to have rouge elements), one of the Gulf countries(would love if Iran got more heat/sanctions on it) or Israel, given these bombs, and told to get at it.

The part that really sticks out is the fact they had passports on them. I mean really? Really? Your going to carry out multiple attacks in several countries, go to all the trouble of keeping it secret until now and probably wishing to keep it secret afterwards too, and you keep your passport on you? Your real passport? Not even a fake? Please, use some common sense here.

Prime candidates for me are the MEK or Jundallah, groups easily hired by the highest bidder, possibly backed by one of the above parties.

Never mind the fact that Iran would never want to risk harming relations with any of these countries, and if they did risk it they bloody well would make sure they got it right, and not get caught/fail to kill anyone/injure themselves.

I prefer to use occams razor until stronger evidence proves otherwise.

gizmo555

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

I prefer to use occams razor until stronger evidence proves otherwise.

So the simplest explanation for these men carrying Iranian passports on a terrorist mission like this is that they are Iranian agents? :rolleyes:

Batsy

They've never been that bright these Muslim terrorists. The vast majority of their attempts at mass murder usually end up, for them, embarrasingly wrong.

Remember the four failed 21st July bombings in London in 2005, which were supposed to cause mass murder similar to the bombings two weeks earlier?

Each of the suspects attempted to detonate their bombs at Shepherd's Bush, Warren Street and Oval stations on the London Underground, and on a bus in Shoreditch.

Instead, all that happened is that only the detonators of the bombs exploded and instead of causing mass murder all they caused was little popping sounds heard by people nearby.

HavingCrack

Batsy wrote: »

They've never been that bright these Muslim terrorists. The vast majority of their attempts at mass murder usually end up, for them, embarrasingly wrong.

Remember the four failed 21st July bombings in London in 2005, which were supposed to cause mass murder similar to the bombings two weeks earlier?

Each of the suspects attempted to detonate their bombs at Shepherd's Bush, Warren Street and Oval stations on the London Underground, and on a bus in Shoreditch.

Instead, all that happened is that only the detonators of the bombs exploded and instead of causing mass murder all they caused was little popping sounds heard by people nearby.

To be honest, that doesn't really have any relevance to the thread whatsoever.

Presuming that it was in fact Iranian agents (and that is a very big presumption at this point in time) they were not acting in the name of radical Islam-hence calling them 'Muslim terrorists' is misleading. If it was in fact an Iranian operation it would have been carried out for 'nationalist' reasons if anything. They may have been terrorists who happened to be Muslim but not neccessarily Muslim terrorists-there is a distinction.

Just as an aside I can give you countless examples of 'stupid' things the US/UK/France etc. have done over the years. Unfortunately stupidity is pretty widespread in humans.

Border-Rat

The story is too theatrical, like something lifted from a Borat movie. The taxi driver ignores him, so he throws a bomb after him? Throws a bomb at a cop, which bounces of a tree and hits him? If the ineptness of the Indian attacks weren't a giveaway, then surely this is. Even a B-Movie would have more disciplined sleepers. If the Iranians wanted to blow some Jews up, it would've happened, not three out of three botched jobs with increasing clumsiness. Firstly they wouldn't hit India, why would they? India is doing them a huge favour with gold for oil - which is probably why Mossad chose it. Secondly, if you attempt to blow someone up with a carbomb and they fail - twice, they would assume they'd been compromised and the men in Thailand would've aborted or triple-checked their own plans. Do we know exactly what happened to this man? Do we know if he's even Iranian?

The Iranians aren't silly. If they wanted someone assasinated they'd be stiffed.

Last year, some Jew billionaire was killed in France. He had world-beating security in his mansion. 24 hour patrols, everything. Someone slipped into his bedroom past all the cameras, security and guards and killed him. This was shortly after one of the Iranian scientists was killed. If anything, that looked more like an Iranian hit and if it wasn't, it would be a good form of retaliation. They couldn't really victimise such people with their propaganda, the only people that see the ties are racial zionists and Iranians. Everytime they kill a scientist, kill one of their discreet, non-alligned billionaires.

RichieC

gizmo555 wrote: »

So the simplest explanation for these men carrying Iranian passports on a terrorist mission like this is that they are Iranian agents? :rolleyes:

It's amazing how sceptical they can be right up until it is Iran being discussed isn't it?

nacho libre

gizmo555 wrote: »

Indeed. Just because he had an Iranian passport doesn't necessarily mean that he is either Iranian or was acting on direction from the Iranian government. No more than the fact that, when Israel had him killed, some of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh's assassins carried Irish passports proved they were Irish government agents.

Ah it does, when you're biased the burden of proof is considerably lessened. In saying that, while this could be another Lavon Affair, given the Ayatollah basically decreed that Israelis were fair game in response to mossad killing Iranian scientists, i'd say it's quite likely Iran is responsible for these attacks.

Undercover

Not that I don't believe for one minute that Iran would love to get even with Israel but come on people. There's no way the Iranian secret service could be this shambolic. This is all about creating the context for war and it's being lapped up again. Just like Maddas Insane with his nukes and and feared Revolutionary Guard. It's a sorry world we live in.

KIERAN1

Not one for conspiracies without some hint of prove. But these attacks are to me really suspicious.

Why would Iran supreme ruler and leaders sanction hits on Isreali targets in locations their allied to? Considering Iran friends are getting smaller by the day would they have given the go ahead to do this attack on Indian soil?

India, has recently declared it will not adhere to the sanctions been put on Iranian oil and will increase its buying and importing of their oil. So why the hell would Iran risk losing a valuable customer like India. Makes no sense to me personally.

Georgia and Iran last ten years have had closer co -operation between each and have become friendly.

This is Wikipedia version of relations as it stands

he beginning of 2010 saw increasing cooperation between the two countries. Agents from Iran's foreign ministry visited Tbilisi in May 2010 to discuss Iranian investment in the construction of a hydroelectric plant as well as Iran's intentions to import electricity from the country.[2] The meeting lead to president Mikheil Saakashvili inviting his Iranian counterpart Mahmood Ahmadinejad to Tbilisi.[2]
In late May 2010 Iranian ambassador Majid Samadzade Saber announced that Iran and Georgia intend to lift visa restrictions for travel between the countries.[3] According to the Iranian Ambassador, Iran and Georgia are holding talks on opening an Iranian consulate in Batumi.[3] The announcement was scheduled during Iranian foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki's visit to Tbilisi scheduled later in the month.

Was this attack done to push Georgia more closer to the West (make Russia more unhappy)

I've not looked into the recent attack mentioned here, but attacks seemed to have been carried out by people who are not that well trained. Hardly the work of experts.

RichieC

KIERAN1 wrote: »

I've not looked into the recent attack mentioned here, but attacks seemed to have been carried out by people who are not that well trained. Hardly the work of experts.

There are no highly trained agents in Iran.. lol.. they're a terrist nation!! :pac:

Jaafa

It gets even more suspicious when you consider the following:

The National Security Guard, elite counter-terror force, has expressed surprise over the Centre's decision to refuse its team to gather vital data from the recent Israeli embassy car blast site in New Delhi....... Though he did not give reasons of NSG not getting access to the blast site, sources said the force was asked not to visit the spot near the PM's residence due to "diplomatic reasons".

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/NSG-denied-not-to-visit-terror-hit-car/articleshow/11908391.cms

and also the fact that the Head of Mossad just happened to be in India days before the attacks:

Mossad chief Tamir Pardo visited India last week, discussing with Delhi Police the threat of revenge strikes against Israelis, but not anticipating that such a strike would occur in India, The

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?ID=258102&R=R1

I'm sure this is all one big coincidence though.

Border-Rat

No agent would plant a carbomb on the topside of a vehicle, aside from the fact that using carbombs would be too high-profile. Even planting it under the arch or chassis would be amatuer. If for some bizarre reason Iranian agents chose the carbomb methob then it would be wired into the electronics. With the failure to kill the target, Iranian agents would suspect being compromised. With a 2nd failed carbomb, it would all but confirm being compromised. This would lead the immediate dissolution of cells, at least for the time being whilst investigations are carried out.

What they most certainly would not do would be to make a spectacle of themselves in middle of a busy Thai street and throw bombs at Taxi drivers just because they refused to pick them up.

I must say, Mossad must consider its target audience to be exceptionally stupid. And to be fair, they're not far wrong in that surmise.

nacho libre

KIERAN1 wrote: »

Not one for conspiracies without some hint of prove. But these attacks are to me really suspicious.

Why would Iran supreme ruler and leaders sanction hits on Isreali targets in locations their allied to? Considering Iran friends are getting smaller by the day would they have given the go ahead to do this attack on Indian soil?

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Well considering mossad is notorious for compromising their allies when it suits them(http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/13/false_flag), perhaps Iran similarly thought they could get away with it in India.
The idea that some of the attacks were shambolic therefore they can't be the work of the Iranians is flawed, intelligence agencies botch attacks from time to time.
Also it's worth noting a planned attack was foiled in Thailand a few weeks ago.
Futhermore no false flag operative is intentionally going to explode a bomb prematurely in his home. It quite possible after this happened, the rest of the agents simply panicked, which would explain their unprofessional behaviour.
While mossad does have a history of carrying out false flag terrorism, I really don't see that being the case this time, because given some of the attacks were so inept, firm evidence should lead directly back to mossad's involvement - as was the case in the Lavon affair

RichieC

nacho libre wrote: »

Well considering mossad is notorious for compromising their allies when it suits them(http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/13/false_flag), perhaps Iran similarly thought they could get away with it in India.
The idea that some of the attacks were shambolic therefore they can't be the work of the Iranians is flawed, intelligence agencies botch attacks from time to time.
Also it's worth noting a planned attack was foiled in Thailand a few weeks ago.
Futhermore no false flag operative is intentionally going to explode a bomb prematurely in his home. It quite possible after this happened, the rest of the agents simply panicked, which would explain their unprofessional behaviour.
While mossad does have a history of carrying out false flag terrorism, I really don't see that being the case this time, because given some of the attacks were so inept, firm evidence should lead directly back to mossad's involvement - as was the case in the Lavon affair

Obviously if Iranian agents can botch it the same is true for false flag operatives...

Why would they carry their passports, though?

BlaasForRafa

Border-Rat wrote: »

No agent would plant a carbomb on the topside of a vehicle, aside from the fact that using carbombs would be too high-profile. Even planting it under the arch or chassis would be amatuer. If for some bizarre reason Iranian agents chose the carbomb methob then it would be wired into the electronics. With the failure to kill the target, Iranian agents would suspect being compromised. With a 2nd failed carbomb, it would all but confirm being compromised. This would lead the immediate dissolution of cells, at least for the time being whilst investigations are carried out.

What they most certainly would not do would be to make a spectacle of themselves in middle of a busy Thai street and throw bombs at Taxi drivers just because they refused to pick them up.

I must say, Mossad must consider its target audience to be exceptionally stupid. And to be fair, they're not far wrong in that surmise.

For someone who seems to know a lot about car bombs :rolleyes: , you seem know little about this case although you do seem to feel the need to rush to judgement. The bombs weren't wired to anything, they were magnetic bombs planted by attackers on motorbikes.

I'll make it simple for you just in case you can't figure it out. guys on motorbike drive up, attach magnetic bomb to car, guys on motorbike drive away, bomb goes boom. It isn't new technology, its been around since at least WW2

Allegedly Iran chose this method as revenge, seeing as it was the method one of their scientists was killed. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2085069/Iran-nuclear-scientist-Mostafa-Ahmadi-Roshan-killed-magnetic-bomb-Tehran.html

Einhard

It should, but it doesn't, strike me as odd that the same posters who lap up Israeli involvement in the assassinations of Iranian scientists withoutnapparent second thought, go to such lengths to absolve the Iranians of any involvement in these recent attacks.

For what it's worth, I think both sides are involved in the attacks, and I condemn both equally. However, it's nothing short of a hypocritical double standard to demand a burden of proof for Iranian involvement that's far higher than that which one swallows for Israeli involvement.

I realise that double standards exist on both sides, but those on these boards who, for want of a better phrase, might be deemed biased against Israel, always seek to claim that they are merely neutral, when their words suggest entirely the opposite. For them, an attack on Iranian scientists is the work of Israel, but attacks on Israeli interests are not merely not the work of Iran, but indeed, for some, the work of the Israelis themselves! It's incredible the way people will claim some form of objective observer status, while at the same time bending themselves to see things from only one viewpoint, whereby Israel is always the bad guy, and anyone who is against israel must, by default, be somehow somewhat good.

DeVore

Weird coincidence... I'm in Bangkok at the moment. Happened 5 blocks away from me.... kinda freaky but... meh.

The guy seems to be fairly dumb, he could easily have been some bonkers terror cell member. They are looking for 2 more who fled the house when he initially blew up the first device inside by accident. This guy really wasnt part of the brain-trust

Sunnyisland

Einhard wrote: »

It should, but it doesn't, strike me as odd that the same posters who lap up Israeli involvement in the assassinations of Iranian scientists without apparent second thought, go to such lengths to absolve the Iranians of any involvement in these recent attacks.

For what it's worth, I think both sides are involved in the attacks, and I condemn both equally. However, it's nothing short of a hypocritical double standard to demand a burden of proof for Iranian involvement that's far higher than that which one swallows for Israeli involvement.

I realise that double standards exist on both sides, but those on these boards who, for want of a better phrase, might be deemed biased against Israel, always seek to claim that they are merely neutral, when their words suggest entirely the opposite. For them, an attack on Iranian scientists is the work of Israel, but attacks on Israeli interests are not merely not the work of Iran, but indeed, for some, the work of the Israelis themselves! It's incredible the way people will claim some form of objective observer status, while at the same time bending themselves to see things from only one viewpoint, whereby Israel is always the bad guy, and anyone who is against israel must, by default, be somehow somewhat good.

Well said.The one sided opinions and viewpoints by some posters here is quite counter productive and does not give there (on this subject anyway) opinions much credit, for me anyway.

Brown Bomber

Einhard wrote: »

It should, but it doesn't, strike me as odd that the same posters who lap up Israeli involvement in the assassinations of Iranian scientists withoutnapparent second thought, go to such lengths to absolve the Iranians of any involvement in these recent attacks. .

It's not without second though though is it? It's incredibly naive and simplistic to portray the situation as equal belligerents involved in tit-for-tat operations against each other and not in the realpolitik context that currently exists. It's the second thoughts combined with common sense that would make you consider that Iran is doing everything in it's power to avoid war, not for it's love of peace but for it's survival and that of it's leaders. On the other hand Israel is doing everything in it's power above and beyond killing scientists but large scale MEK and Jundullah terrorist attacks to engineer war (see the Burns'-Dagan Wikileaks cable).

Both attacks on the Iranians and on the Israelis internationally do only one thing - bring both closer to a state of war. Something that Israel wants and Iran doesn't. Therefore bias doesn't need to come into the considerationthat Israel could be behind both attacks. It's logical.

JustinDee

Border-Rat wrote: »

His opinion is secluded on this board. The majority of people here are cheerleaders for mass murder of Arabs.

Silly thing to say. And Iranians aren't Arabs either.

Border-Rat

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

For someone who seems to know a lot about car bombs :rolleyes: , you seem know little about this case although you do seem to feel the need to rush to judgement. The bombs weren't wired to anything, they were magnetic bombs planted by attackers on motorbikes.

Lol. No they weren't, this was from a different attack, in a different Country, against a different ethnicity. Really now, stop embarassing yourself repeatedly by trying to get one over on me. Neither did I say they were wired to anything, I said a professional Iranian assassin would've wired it to the electronics, not stuck a highly visible bomb to the topside/shell of a stationary car. Because, you know - the Israeli would've seen it.

I'll make it simple for you just in case you can't figure it out. guys on motorbike drive up, attach magnetic bomb to car, guys on motorbike drive away, bomb goes boom. It isn't new technology, its been around since at least WW2.

This is not what happened. You've just made this up out of thin air. First of all, the motorbike attack took place in Iran. A motorbike was chosen there because the target vehicle was on the move. Secondly, the target cars in India etc were stationary, the reason you don't stick a magnetic mercury bomb to a stationary parked car is because the owner will check it. Extra emphasis on putting it on the topside of the car.

Allegedly Iran chose this method as revenge, seeing as it was the method one of their scientists was killed. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2085069/Iran-nuclear-scientist-Mostafa-Ahmadi-Roshan-killed-magnetic-bomb-Tehran.html

According to who? You do realise, again I seem to have to point this out - that a motorbike was used to attach the bomb in Iran because the target was on the move? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Border-Rat

JustinDee wrote: »

Silly thing to say. And Iranians aren't Arabs either.

Where did I say they were? Syria. Libya. Iraq. Bahrain. Yemen. Afghanistan. Egypt. Arab Countries.

JustinDee

Border-Rat wrote: »

Where did I say they were? Syria. Libya. Iraq. Bahrain. Yemen. Afghanistan. Egypt. Arab Countries.

In a thread about an Iranian and broadening to Iran's activities within and outside its borders, Iran would tend to be the subject. Since when was Afghanistan an Arabic country, by the way?

Border-Rat

JustinDee wrote: »

In a thread about an Iranian and broadening to Iran's activities within and outside its borders, Iran would tend to be the subject. Since when was Afghanistan an Arabic country, by the way?

Most 'conservatives' in the west are cheerleaders for mass murder of Muslims, most of them can't discern the difference between Arab/Persian. This thread is about your comrades in Mossad broadening their campaign of violence, no action was carried out by any Iranian agent. Mossad has a history of blowing things up and blaming it on Islamists. E.g. 9/11.

JustinDee

Border-Rat wrote: »

Most 'conservatives' in the west are cheerleaders for mass murder of Muslims, most of them can't discern the difference between Arab/Persian. This thread is about your comrades in Mossad broadening their campaign of violence, no action was carried out by any Iranian agent.

Your generalism is a little typical. Not only a misinformed refusal to identify each country as an individual case study but the generalism that anyone with a view contrary to yours on the middle east or near or central asia as a *sigh* conservative or anti-Islam.
It was you who erroneously lumped all these very different countries as Arabic.

Your sly insinuation about the Mossad was as poor as your grasp of Asian and Middle Eastern demographics.
Poor, generalistic, misguided stuff.

KyussBishop

The 9/11 stuff and debating over countries ethnicity is pretty far off topic; kind of derailing the thread a bit.


Bringing things a bit more back on topic, it was said earlier that it's hypocritical to be skeptical of Iran's involvement in these attacks, while being less skeptical of Israel's involvement in the attacks on Iranian scientists.

I disagree with this, as not only are Israel openly threatening to attack Iran, but it is also documented that they have been planning covert operations against Iran, and there have been pretty strong hints by Israeli leaders that they have been involved in the attacks.

There is even a documented statement from a person involved in Israeli intelligence making this claim explicitly:
"There is little doubt in the shadowy world of intelligence agencies that Israel is behind the assassination of Darioush Rezaei. "That was the first serious action taken by the new Mossad chief Tamir Pardo," an Israeli intelligence source told SPIEGEL ONLINE."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,777899,00.html

You also have these kinds of barely veiled threats/insinuations coming shortly after these attacks, e.g. Benny Gantz, Israeli military chief of staff, said Iran should expect “continuing and growing pressure from the international community and things which take place in an unnatural manner.

The MEK (widely believed to be behind the attacks in Iran) have also had US politicians lobbying in favor of them, and for their removal from the US list of terrorist organizations (which their listing, interestingly, makes the politicians lobbying for them illegal).


So, there is ample indication of US/Israeli support of MEK and involvement in the assassinations, but there is not yet any evidence of the recent attacks on Israeli diplomats to put the blame on Iran.

nacho libre

RichieC wrote: »

Obviously if Iranian agents can botch it the same is true for false flag operatives...

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Yes, which is why i think Mossad wouldn't be able to cover it up in the long run. Thailand, being an ally, might be complicit in any cover up, but India, who have stated they will continue to buy Iranian oil, certainly would be unlikely to do so

RichieC

I totally agree with Cenks appraisal of the US media's presentation of the conflict here. He shows how the MSM present the story to the US public by going on about Irans reactions to Western sabre rattling and sanctions but putting all the emphasis on Irans reaction with little or no focus on the fact that they are, by their definition REACTIONS. There is absolutely no way on earth a nation like Iran WANTS to be involved in a conflict with two heavily armed nations in a war they cannot win.

OMG IRAN will react to being bombed WITH ITS HUGE ARSENAL OF BALLISTIC MISSLIES!

Mentions of the family involved in the attempted bombing in the past few days too but forgetting to mention that in two of the cases of Iranian scientists being assassinated that wives were also killed, in one case outside a kindergarden of the scientists child.

Plus once again, just like before the Iraq war talking about how Iran could attack jewish businesses and mosques inside the US, even though a quick look at the facts shows there's no intelligence for such a plot at all.

Purest propaganda. surely if this war was as required as is being claimed there would be no need for such public manipulation?

Anyway, here's the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpv3XE_gG8E

Once again the US MSM are failing in their jobs. they will probably come out and admit it three years after the invasion as they did after the Iraq invasion...