Clumsy Iranian Terrorist blows his own leg off

BlaasForRafa

It seems that in response to the killing of several Iranian nuclear scientist, Iran has embarked on a campaign of targeting basically any Israelis that they can find anywhere in the world. There have been attacks in India and Thailand and forestalled attempts in Georgia and Azerbaijan, all countries with significant military or trade relations with Israel.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/iranian-bomber-maimed-blasts-thai-capital-220317825.html

BANGKOK (Reuters) - An Iranian man was seriously wounded in Bangkok on Tuesday when a bomb he was carrying exploded and blew one of his legs off in an incident Israel said was an attempted terrorist attack by Iran.

Shortly beforehand, there had been an explosion in a house the man was renting in the Ekamai area of central Bangkok. Soon after that, there was a third blast on a nearby road, Thai police and officials said.

"The police have control of the situation. It is thought that the suspect might be storing more explosives inside his house," government spokeswoman Thitima Chaisaeng told reporters.

Police said they had detained another suspect at Bangkok's main Suvarnabhumi airport, one of two men they were looking for who had been living at the house where the initial blast took place.

"We discovered the injured man's passport. It's an Iranian passport and he entered the country through Phuket and arrived at Suvarnabhumi Airport on the 8th of this month," Police General Bansiri Prapapat told Reuters.

Luckily it seems that the Iranians in these incidents haven't been very effective with one israeli woman in india and four Thai nationals in Bangkok being wounded. The whole thing seems like very cliched though, in a "just what you'd expect from those crazy terrorist iranians".

Wouldn't Irans best move have been a dignified silence?

Nodin

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

It seems that in response to the killing of several Iranian nuclear scientist, Iran has embarked on a campaign of targeting basically any Israelis that they can find anywhere in the world.

...any attack via Lebanon would lead to mass lebanese deaths, so presumably attacks on diplomats was viewed as the least dangerous option. To be thankful for small mercies, at least they haven't targeted Jewish communities.

wes

Its sad to see things escalting like this, but violence is often met with more violence. Both sides ought to stop these covert actions, before they make things worse.

RichieC

wes wrote: »

Its sad to see things escalting like this, but violence is often met with more violence. Both sides ought to stop these covert actions, before they make things worse.

Too late for all that. this is just the brink of a shooting war, the war that Israel and the US have been after since the early nineties.

I openly hope they get burned bad from this. there's no other way their lessons will be learned.

wes

RichieC wrote: »

I openly hope they get burned bad from this. there's no other way their lessons will be learned.

I think if there is a war, it will be a lot more than just those who get involved who get burned. The world economy will suffer, due to the war mongering stupidity going on.

I am pie

RichieC wrote: »

Too late for all that. this is just the brink of a shooting war, the war that Israel and the US have been after since the early nineties.

I openly hope they get burned bad from this. there's no other way their lessons will be learned.

What a completely horrid sentiment. Very one sided also. There are no good guys as far as I can tell in this scenario, however, to hope that one side gets badly burned in a shooting war cretinous in the extreme.

gizmo555

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Luckily it seems that the Iranians in these incidents haven't been very effective with one israeli woman in india and four Thai nationals in Bangkok being wounded. The whole thing seems like very cliched though, in a "just what you'd expect from those crazy terrorist iranians".

Wouldn't Irans best move have been a dignified silence?

Indeed. Just because he had an Iranian passport doesn't necessarily mean that he is either Iranian or was acting on direction from the Iranian government. No more than the fact that, when Israel had him killed, some of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh's assassins carried Irish passports proved they were Irish government agents.

RichieC

I am pie wrote: »

What a completely horrid sentiment. Very one sided also. There are no good guys as far as I can tell in this scenario, however, to hope that one side gets badly burned in a shooting war cretinous in the extreme.

A shooting war they are starting.

Border-Rat

I am pie wrote: »

What a completely horrid sentiment. Very one sided also. There are no good guys as far as I can tell in this scenario, however, to hope that one side gets badly burned in a shooting war cretinous in the extreme.

His opinion is secluded on this board. The majority of people here are cheerleaders for mass murder of Arabs.

charlemont

gizmo555 wrote: »

Indeed. Just because he had an Iranian passport doesn't necessarily mean that he is either Iranian or was acting on direction from the Iranian government. No more than the fact that, when Israel had him killed, some of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh's assassins carried Irish passports proved they were Irish government agents.

Exactly what I thought too, If the Iranians did it they would do a better job.

southsiderosie

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Kepti

Iraq is a distant memory, time to start the new war. This time they really have WMD's, or at least they're trying really hard to get them. Honest.

Sawyer begins by warning of “a kind of shadow war being waged by Iran around the world” — based on her blind acceptance of totally unproven Israeli accusations that Iran was behind three bombings yesterday in India, Georgia and Thailand, and without any mention of the constant attacks on Iran over the course of several years by the U.S. and Israel.

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/15/diane_sawyer_and_brian_ross_belong_in_a_fear_mongering_museum/singleton/

GSF

Its a shame Ireland is closing the Tehran embassy as they could use it to promote Ireland as a tourist destination where extreme haters of all things Israel will feel right at home.

BlaasForRafa

Nodin wrote: »

...any attack via Lebanon would lead to mass lebanese deaths, so presumably attacks on diplomats was viewed as the least dangerous option. To be thankful for small mercies, at least they haven't targeted Jewish communities.

According to a recent Haaretz report two rabbis in Azerbaijan were targeted as well but the Azeri authorities arrested the conspirators.

southsiderosie

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

According to a recent Haaretz report two rabbis in Azerbaijan were targeted as well but the Azeri authorities arrested the conspirators.

Do you have a link for that?

BlaasForRafa

Kepti wrote: »

Iraq is a distant memory, time to start the new war. This time they really have WMD's, or at least they're trying really hard to get them. Honest.



http://www.salon.com/2012/02/15/diane_sawyer_and_brian_ross_belong_in_a_fear_mongering_museum/singleton/
Sawyer begins by warning of “a kind of shadow war being waged by Iran around the world” — based on her blind acceptance of totally unproven Israeli accusations that Iran was behind three bombings yesterday in India, Georgia and Thailand, and without any mention of the constant attacks on Iran over the course of several years by the U.S. and Israel.

Unproven? On the one hand you have several dead nuclear scientists who it is presumed were killed by Israeli agents, despite the Iranians presenting no proof and arresting nobody. On the other hand you have two Iranian agents in custody one of whom now only has 1 and 1/4 legs due to a bomb exploding on his motorbike.

BlaasForRafa

southsiderosie wrote: »

Do you have a link for that?

I do indeed. It was actually 1 rabbi and 1 teacher that were the targets, my apologies.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/azerbaijan-thwarts-terror-attack-against-israeli-jewish-targets-1.408705

The Azeri ministry said it had arrested a cell that planned to "kill public activists," before it became apparent that the intended victims were two Israeli Chabad emissaries, a rabbi and a teacher employed by the "Chabad Or Avner" Jewish school in Baku. The ministry said that the three men, named as Rasim Aliyev, Ali Huseynov and Balaqardash Dadashov, received smuggled arms and equipment from Iranian agents. The action was apparently planned as retaliation to the gunning down of Iranian nuclear scientists.

imme

If Iran is as good at espionage as it is at making nuclear bombs I fear for us all.

I think holidays in the med will have to be put off a while.:o

wes

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Unproven? On the one hand you have several dead nuclear scientists who it is presumed were killed by Israeli agents, despite the Iranians presenting no proof and arresting nobody. On the other hand you have two Iranian agents in custody one of whom now only has 1 and 1/4 legs due to a bomb exploding on his motorbike.

Yes, it is unproven:

Thai officials search for Bangkok bombers' target

--SNIP--
In Bangkok, the Thai official said the nationalities of the suspects had yet to be confirmed. "They have Iranian passports and documents but we haven't concluded that they are in fact Iranian," he said.
--SNIP--

Sure Iran are the most likely culprits, but there isn't any proof there Iranian agents. There always seems to far lower level of proof when it comes to Iran imho. If we are to declare Iran guilty, then we should say the same of Israel.

Also, the Indians suspect the following:
Attack similar to Jama Masjid blast

So looks like the Indians don't even suspect Iran, and surely Iran wouldn't want to piss of India, as there on of there major oil customers, and they they cooperate with India in Afghanistan as well. So not as clear cut as you like to present.

Jaafa

Really doesn't strike me as an Iranian job. Several reasons.

If Iran was to do this officially, it would no doubt the Al-Quds force, it's version of the CIA. Highly respected even by western countries, and thought to have carried out several organized and efficient attacks against US soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, none of which they were ever caught for.

The amateur nature of the latest attacks (failed to kill anyone in India, hurt themselves in this attack), yet they carry these sophisticated magnetic bombs, this to me indicates that these guys were hired thugs.
Probably hired by the ISI(known to have rouge elements), one of the Gulf countries(would love if Iran got more heat/sanctions on it) or Israel, given these bombs, and told to get at it.

The part that really sticks out is the fact they had passports on them. I mean really? Really? Your going to carry out multiple attacks in several countries, go to all the trouble of keeping it secret until now and probably wishing to keep it secret afterwards too, and you keep your passport on you? Your real passport? Not even a fake? Please, use some common sense here.

Prime candidates for me are the MEK or Jundallah, groups easily hired by the highest bidder, possibly backed by one of the above parties.

Never mind the fact that Iran would never want to risk harming relations with any of these countries, and if they did risk it they bloody well would make sure they got it right, and not get caught/fail to kill anyone/injure themselves.

gizmo555

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Unproven? On the one hand you have several dead nuclear scientists who it is presumed were killed by Israeli agents, despite the Iranians presenting no proof and arresting nobody. On the other hand you have two Iranian agents in custody one of whom now only has 1 and 1/4 legs due to a bomb exploding on his motorbike.

What proof is there that they are Iranian agents, or even that they are Iranian?

Ollie North and his colleagues used Irish passports when they travelled to Iran during the Iran-Contra affair. Did that make them Irish agents?

maddragon

"Probably hired by the ISI(known to have rouge elements), one of the Gulf countries(would love if Iran got more heat/sanctions on it) or Israel, given these bombs, and told to get at it. "

What's a rouge element- sounds camp. Lots of explosives secreted in make up containers and tubes of mascara.

Nodin

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

According to a recent Haaretz report two rabbis in Azerbaijan were targeted as well but the Azeri authorities arrested the conspirators.

One would hope theres no more of that.

BlaasForRafa

Jaafa wrote: »

Really doesn't strike me as an Iranian job. Several reasons.

If Iran was to do this officially, it would no doubt the Al-Quds force, it's version of the CIA. Highly respected even by western countries, and thought to have carried out several organized and efficient attacks against US soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, none of which they were ever caught for.

The amateur nature of the latest attacks (failed to kill anyone in India, hurt themselves in this attack), yet they carry these sophisticated magnetic bombs, this to me indicates that these guys were hired thugs.
Probably hired by the ISI(known to have rouge elements), one of the Gulf countries(would love if Iran got more heat/sanctions on it) or Israel, given these bombs, and told to get at it.

The part that really sticks out is the fact they had passports on them. I mean really? Really? Your going to carry out multiple attacks in several countries, go to all the trouble of keeping it secret until now and probably wishing to keep it secret afterwards too, and you keep your passport on you? Your real passport? Not even a fake? Please, use some common sense here.

Prime candidates for me are the MEK or Jundallah, groups easily hired by the highest bidder, possibly backed by one of the above parties.

Never mind the fact that Iran would never want to risk harming relations with any of these countries, and if they did risk it they bloody well would make sure they got it right, and not get caught/fail to kill anyone/injure themselves.

I prefer to use occams razor until stronger evidence proves otherwise.

gizmo555

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

I prefer to use occams razor until stronger evidence proves otherwise.

So the simplest explanation for these men carrying Iranian passports on a terrorist mission like this is that they are Iranian agents? :rolleyes:

Batsy

They've never been that bright these Muslim terrorists. The vast majority of their attempts at mass murder usually end up, for them, embarrasingly wrong.

Remember the four failed 21st July bombings in London in 2005, which were supposed to cause mass murder similar to the bombings two weeks earlier?

Each of the suspects attempted to detonate their bombs at Shepherd's Bush, Warren Street and Oval stations on the London Underground, and on a bus in Shoreditch.

Instead, all that happened is that only the detonators of the bombs exploded and instead of causing mass murder all they caused was little popping sounds heard by people nearby.

HavingCrack

Batsy wrote: »

They've never been that bright these Muslim terrorists. The vast majority of their attempts at mass murder usually end up, for them, embarrasingly wrong.

Remember the four failed 21st July bombings in London in 2005, which were supposed to cause mass murder similar to the bombings two weeks earlier?

Each of the suspects attempted to detonate their bombs at Shepherd's Bush, Warren Street and Oval stations on the London Underground, and on a bus in Shoreditch.

Instead, all that happened is that only the detonators of the bombs exploded and instead of causing mass murder all they caused was little popping sounds heard by people nearby.

To be honest, that doesn't really have any relevance to the thread whatsoever.

Presuming that it was in fact Iranian agents (and that is a very big presumption at this point in time) they were not acting in the name of radical Islam-hence calling them 'Muslim terrorists' is misleading. If it was in fact an Iranian operation it would have been carried out for 'nationalist' reasons if anything. They may have been terrorists who happened to be Muslim but not neccessarily Muslim terrorists-there is a distinction.

Just as an aside I can give you countless examples of 'stupid' things the US/UK/France etc. have done over the years. Unfortunately stupidity is pretty widespread in humans.

Border-Rat

The story is too theatrical, like something lifted from a Borat movie. The taxi driver ignores him, so he throws a bomb after him? Throws a bomb at a cop, which bounces of a tree and hits him? If the ineptness of the Indian attacks weren't a giveaway, then surely this is. Even a B-Movie would have more disciplined sleepers. If the Iranians wanted to blow some Jews up, it would've happened, not three out of three botched jobs with increasing clumsiness. Firstly they wouldn't hit India, why would they? India is doing them a huge favour with gold for oil - which is probably why Mossad chose it. Secondly, if you attempt to blow someone up with a carbomb and they fail - twice, they would assume they'd been compromised and the men in Thailand would've aborted or triple-checked their own plans. Do we know exactly what happened to this man? Do we know if he's even Iranian?

The Iranians aren't silly. If they wanted someone assasinated they'd be stiffed.

Last year, some Jew billionaire was killed in France. He had world-beating security in his mansion. 24 hour patrols, everything. Someone slipped into his bedroom past all the cameras, security and guards and killed him. This was shortly after one of the Iranian scientists was killed. If anything, that looked more like an Iranian hit and if it wasn't, it would be a good form of retaliation. They couldn't really victimise such people with their propaganda, the only people that see the ties are racial zionists and Iranians. Everytime they kill a scientist, kill one of their discreet, non-alligned billionaires.

RichieC

gizmo555 wrote: »

So the simplest explanation for these men carrying Iranian passports on a terrorist mission like this is that they are Iranian agents? :rolleyes:

It's amazing how sceptical they can be right up until it is Iran being discussed isn't it?

nacho libre

gizmo555 wrote: »

Indeed. Just because he had an Iranian passport doesn't necessarily mean that he is either Iranian or was acting on direction from the Iranian government. No more than the fact that, when Israel had him killed, some of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh's assassins carried Irish passports proved they were Irish government agents.

Ah it does, when you're biased the burden of proof is considerably lessened. In saying that, while this could be another Lavon Affair, given the Ayatollah basically decreed that Israelis were fair game in response to mossad killing Iranian scientists, i'd say it's quite likely Iran is responsible for these attacks.

Undercover

Not that I don't believe for one minute that Iran would love to get even with Israel but come on people. There's no way the Iranian secret service could be this shambolic. This is all about creating the context for war and it's being lapped up again. Just like Maddas Insane with his nukes and and feared Revolutionary Guard. It's a sorry world we live in.