Sinn Fein Hypocrites

I see in the dail yesterday Sinn Fein deputies complaining about the lack of Police on the streets of Dublin. Yet its sinn fein that are organising the demonstrations in Belmullet which is using up hundreds of Gardai !!! and costing the taxpayer a fortune. Most people in Mayo are actually for the Gas coming in.

They appear to have a moan about everything, they complaining about Fine Gael plans to get rid of wasteful town councils even though they mostly serve no purpose. They wanted reform, but now dont when its started happening.

They moaned about cuts to girls getting 300 euro's for communion dresses :eek:which should be zero (they forget we live in a bankrupt country with one of the most generous social welfare systems in the world). I gave Sinn Fein a second vote in the last election but they appear to not want to contribute anything. They complain about everything without giving alternatives for anything. If the government solved the bank crisis in the morning they would find a problem with it. They could of replaced Fianna Fail as the second biggest party, but there constant negativity i feel has destroyed any hope of that. Its the last time they will have a vote from me of any type.

Anybody losing faith in Sinn Fein ever having a future ? Are they just the party that are against everything ? Or have they just turned into Irelands version of Communist/ Anarchists party ?

gubby

Agree totally with you.. its very easy to sit back and bitch about everything the government is doing. When are people going to wake up and realize that this country of ours is in deep **** and hard decisions have to be made.
Sinn Fein are great for talking the talk. easy to do but lets see them walk the walk. I never did or will vote Sinn Fein

fatwarren

the sooner the old leadership in sinn fein is replaced, the better. they're the reason sinn fein is such an unappealing party and the reason they have such stupid policies. sinn fein proposed getting rid of the 11 + exams when it was a perfectly good system for weeding out trouble makers! just an example of their backward policies

D1stant

Deleted User wrote: »

I see in the dail yesterday Sinn Fein deputies complaining about the lack of Police on the streets of Dublin. Yet its sinn fein that are organising the demonstrations in Belmullet which is using up hundreds of Gardai !!!

They appear to have a moan about everything, they complaining about Fine Gael plans to get rid of wasteful town councils even though they mostly serve no purpose.

They moaned about cuts to girls getting 300 euro's for communion dresses :eek:which should be zero. I gave Sinn Fein a second vote in the last election but they appear to not want to contribute anything. They complain about everything without giving alternatives for anything. If the government solved the bank crisis in the morning they would find a problem with it. They could of replaced Fianna Fail as the second biggest party, but there constant negativity i feel has destroyed any hope of that.

Anybody losing faith in Sinn Fein ever having a future ? Are they just the party that are against everything ?

Agree. Its a great pity that they dont have the intelligence to become a real alternative. Years of 'campaigning' to dissafected working class youth on the evils of the British Empire probably didnt hone their political skills much. So now they just dont have the IQ to deal with a savvy voting mainstream.

Villain

*Boards Politics forum in shock SF bashing, OMG*

They are in opposition, its called opposition politics, ask FG and Labour about it they were quite good at it. FF haven't had to do in a long time and can't really complain about anything becuase they caused all the issue.

So yes sadly the only real opposition at the moment is SF and the Independents, all left wing groups without much balance but they are speaking for those whom they believe support them.

fatwarren

D1stant wrote: »

Agree. Its a great pity that they dont have the intelligence to become a real alternative. Years of 'campaigning' to dissafected working class youth on the evils of the British Empire probably didnt hone their political skills much. So now they just dont have the IQ to deal with a savvy voting mainstream.

totally agree. the leadership have been around far too long, over 4 decades now. they haven't a clue! they're still harpen on about socialism since the seventies :pac: and what's this about their tds having to give up half their wages to the 'party'? god help us if adams comes to power or we might be living in a state very similar to china.

Godge

Well, I suppose they could have made the point that now that they have stopped killing, maiming and bombing, that there should be more gardai on the streets of Dublin because the gardai don't need to spend as much time on border duty:rolleyes:.

Or maybe they could make a contribution from their coffers to pay back for the policing costs caused by the actions of their members and supporters over the last 40 years. That contribution could be ring-fenced for extra Gardai on the streets and maybe even routed through the Northern Bank. Maybe I am just an old cynic.

irishh_bob

sinn fein are the new fianna fail , they,ve taken up the populist batton and are running full

Einhard

Villain wrote: »

*Boards Politics forum in shock SF bashing, OMG*

They are in opposition, its called opposition politics, ask FG and Labour about it they were quite good at it. FF haven't had to do in a long time and can't really complain about anything becuase they caused all the issue.

Aren't they always harping on about being a new force in politics, poised to shake up the old ways of doing things? And yet, here you are defending their actions because FG and Labour did the same thing in opposition!

Vote for SF...the party of the future...tomorrow...or the day after...!!

secondopinion

Does anyone know were SF get their income from? I heard they get a lot from foreigners in places like The US - is this still true?

reilig

secondopinion wrote: »

Does anyone know were SF get their income from? I heard they get a lot from foreigners in places like The US - is this still true?

Do they not get salaries like the other TD's????

Villain

Einhard wrote: »

Aren't they always harping on about being a new force in politics, poised to shake up the old ways of doing things? And yet, here you are defending their actions because FG and Labour did the same thing in opposition!

Vote for SF...the party of the future...tomorrow...or the day after...!!

lol at the piece in Bold, I'm not defending anyone I'm explaining how Politics works.

Jesus, defend SF on boards, are you mad???

ChippingSodbury

fatwarren wrote: »

and what's this about their tds having to give up half their wages to the 'party'?

This is where they get some of their money. The thing that annoys me about the "only receiving the average industrial wage" is that they constantly put it forward as a "look how good we are" policy but it still costs Joe Taxpayer the same amount to pay a SF TD as any other TD

gerryo777

D1stant wrote: »

Agree. Its a great pity that they dont have the intelligence to become a real alternative. Years of 'campaigning' to dissafected working class youth on the evils of the British Empire probably didnt hone their political skills much. So now they just dont have the IQ to deal with a savvy voting mainstream.

The 'savvy voting mainstream' elected FG/Labour who are continuing on with the FF/PD/Independent way of cronyism, jobs for the lads/lassies, pay rises for their mates/advisors etc etc.
All politicians will say what they think the people who elected them want to hear.
There is not one honest politician in Ireland, they're all out to line their own pockets.
To be honest, we don't need any of them now that Merkel/Sarcozy are running the country.

gerryo777

reilig wrote: »

Do they not get salaries like the other TD's????

How long until someone comes out with the classic "from robbing banks" or "the northern bank"?

Border-Rat

gerryo777 wrote: »

How long until someone comes out with the classic "from robbing banks" or "the northern bank"?

Not so fast, we haven't gotten to Gerry McCabe yet.

Yonge Street

Border-Rat wrote: »

Not so fast, we haven't gotten to Gerry McCabe yet.

You can add training FARC guerillas in Colombia to that.
And the murder of housewife Jean McConville.

You seem to find Sinn Fein's past indiscretions humorous, which is disturbing. Honest question: why do you think Sinn Fein have such little support in the Republic, in you eyes?

Villain

Yonge Street wrote: »

You can add training FARC guerillas in Colombia to that.
And the murder of housewife Jean McConville.

You seem to find Sinn Fein's past indiscretions humorous, which is disturbing. Honest question: why do you think Sinn Fein have such little support in the Republic, in you eyes?

Yonge Street, use the search bar and type in each of those topic and I think you will find that these topics have been discussed to hell and back here.

My issue with all these discussions is people never want to move forward they only ever want to look back and if you look back far enough into any political party you will find guns and murder, yet most people only ever look to Sinn Fein

Border-Rat

Yonge Street wrote: »

You can add training FARC guerillas in Colombia to that.
And the murder of housewife Jean McConville.

You seem to find Sinn Fein's past indiscretions humorous, which is disturbing. Honest question: why do you think Sinn Fein have such little support in the Republic, in you eyes?

Sinn Fein is the second biggest party in the South, according to RTE and the Belfast Telepraph. Perhaps RTE and the Telegraph are conspiracy theorists?

Spacedog

Deleted User wrote: »

Most people in Mayo are actually for the Gas coming in.

Whenever I meet someone from Mayo, the first Thing I ask is "What do you make of that Corrob Gas Pipeline?"

I've never heard a positive response to it. despite what I read on boards and see on TV. coincidence possibly, but gets my bullsh*t senses tingling.

Yonge Street

Border-Rat wrote: »

Sinn Fein is the second biggest party in the South, according to RTE and the Belfast Telepraph. Perhaps RTE and the Telegraph are conspiracy theorists?

The linked article refers to a poll taken by a newspaper in Oct 2011. So what? I can link to a poll that predicts Sean Gallagher will become president of Ireland. Polls fluctuate wildly and I'd have to examine the demographics of the sample size to comment further. For example, online polls will often be skewed in favour of Sinn Fein but this never translates to the ballot box, which lends itself to suspicion of poll hi-jacking.

Regarding moving on from Sinn Feins past: I'm eager to move, but not until Sinn Fein stop glamourizing terrorists like Bobby Sands and cut all links to criminality. Would you agree that Sinn Fein is the party of choice for murderers and other prison inmates? I don't wish to be associated with those sorts of people.

That being said, I don't spend a lot of time thinking about SF. I'm not one of those people that thrives on hatred of SF. They're irrelevant in my eyes, like the Socialist party. They were a single issue party until recently, when they adopted the "we're for the opposite of the government does" policy.

gerryo777

Border-Rat wrote: »

Sinn Fein is the second biggest party in the South, according to RTE and the Belfast Telepraph. Perhaps RTE and the Telegraph are conspiracy theorists?

After Fine Gael(74 td's) & Labour(35 td's) Fianna Fail(unfortunately 19 td's) Sinn Fein have 14 td's in the 31 Dail.

votecounts

Yonge Street wrote: »

You can add training FARC guerillas in Colombia to that.
And the murder of informer Jean McConville.

You seem to find Sinn Fein's past indiscretions humorous, which is disturbing. Honest question: why do you think Sinn Fein have such little support in the Republic, in you eyes?

FYP

Border-Rat

gerryo777 wrote: »

After Fine Gael(74 td's) & Labour(35 td's) Fianna Fail(unfortunately 19 td's) Sinn Fein have 14 td's in the 31 Dail.

The RTE article says second most popular.

Border-Rat

votecounts wrote: »

FYP

Ah here, only the 26 County IRA was allowed to kill informers. Collins was allowed to do it. Collins, good. McGuinness - scum of humanity.

gerryo777

Yonge Street wrote: »

The linked article refers to a poll taken by a newspaper in Oct 2011. So what? I can link to a poll that predicts Sean Gallagher will become president of Ireland. Polls fluctuate wildly and I'd have to examine the demographics of the sample size to comment further. For example, online polls will often be skewed in favour of Sinn Fein but this never translates to the ballot box, which lends itself to suspicion of poll hi-jacking.

Regarding moving on from Sinn Feins past: I'm eager to move, but not until Sinn Fein stop glamourizing terrorists like Bobby Sands and cut all links to criminality. Would you agree that Sinn Fein is the party of choice for murderers and other prison inmates? I don't wish to be associated with those sorts of people.

That being said, I don't spend a lot of time thinking about SF. I'm not one of those people that thrives on hatred of SF. They're irrelevant in my eyes, like the Socialist party. They were a single issue party until recently, when they adopted the "we're for the opposite of the government does" policy.[/QUOTE

Is that Londonderry, UK or Derry, Ireland?

Einhard

Villain wrote: »

My issue with all these discussions is people never want to move forward they only ever want to look back and if you look back far enough into any political party you will find guns and murder, yet most people only ever look to Sinn Fein

Whoa, hold up there. The OP started this thread to talk about the hyporcisy of contemporary SF in the political arena. It had nothing at all do do with past atrocities or crimes until gerryo7 and borderrat brought up bank robbieries and murders in a flippant manner. I agree- it gets tiresome when every SF thread devolves to bickering about the past. To avoid, perhaps you'd advise the two I just mentioned to stick the topic. It's a tad rich after all, to have posters bewailing the consistent focus on the past when it comes to SF, when it's them who raise it in the first place!

Einhard

Spacedog wrote: »

Whenever I meet someone from Mayo, the first Thing I ask is "What do you make of that Corrob Gas Pipeline?"

I've never heard a positive response to it. despite what I read on boards and see on TV. coincidence possibly, but gets my bullsh*t senses tingling.

LOL you do in your arse! Obviously you haven't met any of the people from the community who work on the project!

Dublin_Gunner

Bloody hell, hypocrites in the Dáil - whatever next!

gerryo777

Einhard wrote: »

Whoa, hold up there. The OP started this thread to talk about the hyporcisy of contemporary SF in the political arena. It had nothing at all do do with past atrocities or crimes until gerryo7 and borderrat brought up bank robbieries and murders in a flippant manner. I agree- it gets tiresome when every SF thread devolves to bickering about the past. To avoid, perhaps you'd advise the two I just mentioned to stick the topic. It's a tad rich after all, to have posters bewailing the consistent focus on the past when it comes to SF, when it's them who raise it in the first place!

I was replying to posts 10 & 11,when it was obvious where the thread was heading at that point, I was merely trying to point that out.

Einhard

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Bloody hell, hypocrites in the Dáil - whatever next!

Ye see, the thing is, when someone starts a thread on the topic of hypocritical FG or FF TDs, the internet isn't flooded with a toxin attracting all of their supporters who happen to be in the vicinity to come to their defence. With SF though, any criticism of the party, no matter how valid or mild, and supporters arrive en masse to the defence of the wounded entity. Indeed, it seems as if sometimes they just defend blindly, not actually aware of why they're doing so or what they're arguing against. Thus, in this thread for example, we have SF heads raising Gerry McCabe and the Northern Bank, and then railing against their very raising; we have SF, ostensibly a fresh party with fresh ideas, defended because their actions in opposition are the same as the parties who they seek to portray as dated and out of touch.

It's quite remarkable really. It's like some collective hive mind.

southsiderosie

Border-Rat wrote: »

Sinn Fein is the second biggest party in the South, according to RTE and the Belfast Telepraph. Perhaps RTE and the Telegraph are conspiracy theorists?

Border-Rat wrote: »

The RTE article says second most popular.

Second most popular has little to do with size., just sentiment Also, that poll has a margin of error of +/-3 percentage points, so SF, FF, and Labour are all in a statistical tie for second most popular...or, statistically, least popular.

That poll is less interesting for what it says about SF, and more interesting for what it says about Labour - christ, if they couldn't make electoral hay out of the current mess, there's not much to be said for them at all.

gerryo777

Einhard wrote: »

Ye see, the thing is, when someone starts a thread on the topic of hypocritical FG or FF TDs, the internet isn't flooded with a toxin attracting all of their supporters who happen to be in the vicinity to come to their defence. With SF though, any criticism of the party, no matter how valid or mild, and supporters arrive en masse to the defence of the wounded entity. Indeed, it seems as if sometimes they just defend blindly, not actually aware of why they're doing so or what they're arguing against. Thus, in this thread for example, we have SF heads raising Gerry McCabe and the Northern Bank, and then railing against their very raising; we have SF, ostensibly a fresh party with fresh ideas, defended because their actions in opposition are the same as the parties who they seek to portray as dated and out of touch.

It's quite remarkable really. It's like some collective hive mind.

Mind your (fingers then) there boy, don't class me as a Sinn Fein 'head'/'supporter'.

Villain

Einhard wrote: »

Ye see, the thing is, when someone starts a thread on the topic of hypocritical FG or FF TDs, the internet isn't flooded with a toxin attracting all of their supporters who happen to be in the vicinity to come to their defence. With SF though, any criticism of the party, no matter how valid or mild, and supporters arrive en masse to the defence of the wounded entity. Indeed, it seems as if sometimes they just defend blindly, not actually aware of why they're doing so or what they're arguing against. Thus, in this thread for example, we have SF heads raising Gerry McCabe and the Northern Bank, and then railing against their very raising; we have SF, ostensibly a fresh party with fresh ideas, defended because their actions in opposition are the same as the parties who they seek to portray as dated and out of touch.

It's quite remarkable really. It's like some collective hive mind.

You see thats my problem with you and others here and why I stopped posting here, as soon you even fail to condemn SF you are a SF Head or supporter or whatever and god forbid there isn't much worse you can do here.

Sorry if my expierence here can predict how this thread would go but do a search of previous threads and see what I'm basing my expierence on!

Einhard

gerryo777 wrote: »

Mind your mouth there boy, don't class me as a Sinn Fein 'head'.

I type with my fingers not with my mouth. SF head/SF supporter, it's the same thing- no offence intended.

Einhard

Villain wrote: »

You see thats my problem with you and others here and why I stopped posting here, as soon you even fail to condemn SF you are a SF Head or support or whatever and god forbid there isn't much worse you can do here.

Sorry if my expierence here can predict how this thread would go but do a search of previous threads and see what I'm basing my expierence on!

Well it often happens that people turn up on threads like this and claim absolute political neutrality, only to then proceed to spend the whole thread defending SF from any and all criticisms. It's difficult then, not to be a tad suspisious when someone turns up and defends SF from reasonable criticisms, and thanks other posters who are doing the same thing. I'll take your word for it that you're not a SF supporter, but I think my suspicions were reasoanable under the circumstances.

Just to add: I heartily dislike SF. I dislike their murderous past and their apologies for said murderous past. However, I can accept that things are moving on and am more than willing to do so. However, SF demands that the rest of us move on while it wallows in, and celebrates, the past. They demand that we let by gones be by gones while demanding tribunals of enquiry into British actions in the past; they demand that we stop referencing one aspect of a terrorist past- IRA atrocities- while they celebrate other aspects of it- Bobby Sands etc. SF don't want us to move on it seems to me- they want us to stop snooping around in the murkier corners of their past.

Godge

Einhard wrote: »

Well it often happens that people turn up on threads like this and claim absolute political neutrality, only to then proceed to spend the whole thread defending SF from any and all criticisms. It's difficult then, not to be a tad suspisious when someone turns up and defends SF from reasonable criticisms, and thanks other posters who are doing the same thing. I'll take your word for it that you're not a SF supporter, but I think my suspicions were reasoanable under the circumstances.

SF apologist might be more accurate than SF supporter/head:)

gerryo777

Einhard wrote: »

I type with my fingers not with my mouth. SF head/SF supporter, it's the same thing- no offence intended.

Fixed that post for ya there. No.33

Villain

Einhard wrote: »

, but I think my suspicions were reasoanable under the circumstances.

So your suspicions are reasonable but mine aren't and I have a tonne of threads to backup mine?? umm

Echoes675

fatwarren wrote: »

getting rid of the 11 + exams when it was a perfectly good system for weeding out trouble makers!

Absolutely ridiculous remark! Performing well in an exam does not mean that child is not a "trouble maker" and equally vice versa. Many children/adults under-perform in exam situations for different reasons.

Einhard

Villain wrote: »

So your suspicions are reasonable but mine aren't and I have a tonne of threads to backup mine?? umm

Your suspicions of what? You* can't rail against people hijacking threads by bringing up Gerry McCabe and the Northern Bank when it's you* who raises them!

*You in the general sense

dlofnep

Is there an actual purpose of this thread, or is it just for a bit of mud-slinging?

The OP seems to be under the impression that protesting, and arguing for more Gardaí on the streets to tackle crime is some sort of contradiction. The day a country wants people to stop protesting for what they believe is right in order to ensure there is sufficient Gardaí around, is the day it's no longer a democracy.

You can't blame the lack of resources on people who take the time out to protest about something they feel is unjust. People have always protested, and will continue do so in a democracy that encourages free speech. The resources should be available to accommodate this.

Yonge Street

votecounts wrote: »

FYP

Thanks, but my post was ok the way it was. SF murdered a mother of 10 children. 10 Catholic children who grew up without a mother.

gerryo777 wrote: »

Is that Londonderry, UK or Derry, Ireland?

I'm not going to get into an infantile place-name argument with you. I don't identify with either the Nationalist or Unionist side in Northern Ireland, but the official name of the city is Londonderry. Accept it. There used to be a town in Cork called Queenstown when it was ruled by the British, but when the Irish took over they renamed it Cobh. Lesson of the story: the rulers have naming rights on the town.

Villain

Einhard wrote: »

Your suspicions of what? You* can't rail against people hijacking threads by bringing up Gerry McCabe and the Northern Bank when it's you* who raises them!

*You in the general sense

lol give it a page or two and I bet I will be proven correct. Also where did "I" mention those topics??

Einhard

dlofnep wrote: »

Is there an actual purpose of this thread, or is it just for a bit of mud-slinging?

The OP seems to be under the impression that protesting, and arguing for more Gardaí on the streets to tackle crime is some sort of contradiction. The day a country wants people to stop protesting for what they believe is right in order to ensure there is sufficient Gardaí around, is the day it's no longer a democracy.

You can't blame the lack of resources on people who take the time out to protest about something they feel is unjust. People have always protested, and will continue do so in a democracy that encourages free speech. The resources should be available to accommodate this.

I think the OP's point is that SF are distinguishing themselves in the Dail, not so much by what they're for, but what they're against.

Like FF before them, they seem to lack political principles of their own, but will instead latch on to whatever cause or issue that promises to win them a few votes. So much for a fresh new dynamic in politics...

gerryo777

Yonge Street wrote: »

Thanks, but my post was ok the way it was. SF murdered a mother of 10 children. 10 Catholic children who grew up without a mother.



I'm not going to get into an infantile place-name argument with you. I don't identify with either the Nationalist or Unionist side in Northern Ireland, but the official name of the city is Londonderry. Accept it. There used to be a town in Cork called Queenstown when it was ruled by the British, but when the Irish took over they renamed it Cobh. Lesson of the story: the rulers have naming rights on the town.

No argument, question answered.
BTW it was the PIRA who murdered Jean McConville.

southsiderosie

This thread is about Sinn Fein's performance as a political party in the Dail. Can we please not drag it off topic with the other million things that can be argued about when it comes to Sinn Fein and/or Northern Ireland (hint: the Dail is not in Northern Ireland)? This will be the first and only warning to stay on topic.

Cheers,

SSR

Einhard

Villain wrote: »

lol give it a page or two and I bet I will be proven correct. Also where did "I" mention those topics??

I mentioned you in the general sense.

Others have raised the topics, and you thanked them for doing so.

And then proceeded to complain about people raising said topics.

Which made me make a face like this

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Dublin_Gunner

Einhard wrote: »

Ye see, the thing is, when someone starts a thread on the topic of hypocritical FG or FF TDs, the internet isn't flooded with a toxin attracting all of their supporters who happen to be in the vicinity to come to their defence. With SF though, any criticism of the party, no matter how valid or mild, and supporters arrive en masse to the defence of the wounded entity. Indeed, it seems as if sometimes they just defend blindly, not actually aware of why they're doing so or what they're arguing against. Thus, in this thread for example, we have SF heads raising Gerry McCabe and the Northern Bank, and then railing against their very raising; we have SF, ostensibly a fresh party with fresh ideas, defended because their actions in opposition are the same as the parties who they seek to portray as dated and out of touch.

It's quite remarkable really. It's like some collective hive mind.

It may have gone over your head, and in the light of internet sarcasm being missed by a lot of internet natives, I was alluding to the fact that it is actually quite hypocritical to accuse any party in the Dáil of hypocrisy.

Nevertheless, should anyone wish to defend any political party of whom they are a supporter, they are fully entitled to.

You see, it's not only you who has an opinion.

Sunnyisland

The Opposition’s main role is to question the government of the day and hold them accountable to the public. Attitudes to the role of the Opposition should be taken into account by people who wish to anticipate what the Oppostion might do,one of the most important jobs of the Opposition is to constantly question the Government. “Any Government has to remain answerable to the public at all times, and a good Opposition can put the spotlight on serious issues and have them resolved quickly”.Being in Opposition is not just about opposing the Government. “There are occasions when the Opposition agrees with the Government. If the solution proposed by the Government has wide support, and is soundly based, then it’s only natural for the Opposition to agree".

dlofnep

Einhard wrote: »

I think the OP's point is that SF are distinguishing themselves in the Dail, not so much by what they're for, but what they're against.

I didn't extrapolate that from the OP. If people want to make a point, they should write a cohesive post which fully documents their views.

Einhard wrote: »

Like FF before them, they seem to lack political principles of their own, but will instead latch on to whatever cause or issue that promises to win them a few votes. So much for a fresh new dynamic in politics...

SF have their own political principles. They have offered alternatives. Whether you agree with them or not, isn't important. But to claim that they lack their own principles is downright dishonest.

Sinn Féin are doing a much better job in the opposition than Fianna Fáil, and I think a lot of people recognise that. They are in the position of opposition, and thus - it is their job to question Government policies that they do not agree with.