Future Merc Ringer

johnos1984

Hey folks,

I'm keeping this here for future viewers.

This car was sold by my neighbour about a week ago. I never said anything at the time as the car isn't to my tastes. the reg number is 831 BZD



http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/for-sale/vintagecars/2932740

Now the car has appeared for sale minus it's plates and logbook :rolleyes: which are staying with it's new owner

I know for a fact the car was actually sound although not original everything could have easily been reversed.

Here is the car now

http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/for-sale/vintagecars/3007381

So whenever Matt Roche goes to sell his original Irish Merc we'll be able to here it RINGING alarm bells in our heads

Things like this make me ****ing sick that an ORIGINAL car is scrapped

galwaytt

johnos1984 wrote: »

Hey folks,

I'm keeping this here for future viewers.

This car was sold by my neighbour about a week ago. I never said anything at the time as the car isn't to my tastes. the reg number is 831 BZD



http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/for-sale/vintagecars/2932740

Now the car has appeared for sale minus it's plates and logbook :rolleyes: which are staying with it's new owner

I know for a fact the car was actually sound although not original everything could have easily been reversed.

Here is the car now

http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/for-sale/vintagecars/3007381

So whenever Matt Roche goes to sell his original Irish Merc we'll be able to here it RINGING alarm bells in our heads

Things like this make me ****ing sick that an ORIGINAL car is scrapped

I wonder if a rake of boardsies emailed about the book what would happen....

johnos1984

galwaytt wrote: »

I wonder if a rake of boardsies emailed about the book what would happen....

Or email the thread.

Shameful behaviour

Is there an Irish Mercedes Owners club that can be tipped off in case someone goes to buy it in the future?

mickdw

So the next car 831 BZD turns up attached to is dodgy as hell and most likely a newer car that shouldnt yet be on the cheap tax

johnos1984

mickdw wrote: »

SO what is he doing, using the identity - bzd on a better/newer car that is not quite on the cheap tax yet?

I would imagine so or else on a similar MINT pre 1980 car which he wants to claim is an original Irish car and therefore of great value

johnty56

There is, but it is a part of the uk club as such... that guy advertises a lot of uk reg mercs here.. i'd say he has 2 or 3 on donedeal at the moment..I'll keep the reg in mind.

Also that car is a 230.. no injection, afaik anything post 1980 is injected??? Might make it ackward to ring if someone was paying attention:)

johnos1984

mickdw wrote: »

So the next car 831 BZD turns up attached to is dodgy as hell.

Well it'll not be an original Irish car as it will no doubt be sold as and I guess it will be avoiding tax in some shape or form

johnos1984

johnty56 wrote: »

There is, but it is a part of the uk club as such... that guy advertises a lot of uk reg mercs here.. i'd say he has 2 or 3 on donedeal at the moment..I'll keep the reg in mind.

Can you link the ads so we can try and follow where it ends up?

johnos1984

Sorry Mickdw for quoting your posts before you are happy with them

corktina

jeez is he taking a chance being based in Shannon of all places!

carchaeologist

YOU BASTARDS!! YOU VINTAGE POLICE ARE WRECKING IT FOR EVERYONE ! WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!

corktina

did someone keep a screenshot of the ad in case it disppears? (I dont know how)

Basil Fawlty

He must have got the idea from boards!!!

carchaeologist

I know of a guy with two same colour mercs and just the one set of plates for them, and neither car originally had that reg because its a pre 79 reg and both cars are 1980s models.

Basil Fawlty

Well at least you have managed to find one car thats genuinely dodgy. But then even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day.

It would be funny to buy it then apply for a replacement book.

carchaeologist

ciarancapri wrote: »

. But then even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day.

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Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day. And for once I'm inclined to believe that Withnail is right. We are indeed drifting into the arena of the unwell. Making an enemy of our own future. What we need is harmony, fresh air, stuff like that.

johnty56

Class movie..

@Ciarancapri.. that would be the right thing to do.. easy to prove the identity of the vehicle, and once you had a proper receipt from the seller, there is pretty much sweet FA he could do about it.. at least not legally:)

Blue850

johnty56 wrote: »

that guy advertises a lot of uk reg mercs here.. i'd say he has 2 or 3 on donedeal at the moment..I'll keep the reg in mind.

And absolutley nothing dodgy about any of the cars he's advertised over the past few months, maybe some of the VRT figures are optimistic , perhaps that W123 is only fit for scrap and he's holding the book so it doesn't get ringed?

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/2720970

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/2904691

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/2572738

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/2572857

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/2795185

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/2481106

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/2638232

johnos1984

That merc was well maintained I'd be amazed if it was scrap material

squonk

Thanks for pointing out the scam OP. I was wondering what you were talking about at first. That really is shameful behaviour. that car looks grand really. Shame to see it being scrapped.

alias no.9

corktina wrote: »

did someone keep a screenshot of the ad in case it disppears? (I dont know how)

With plates and log book





and later that day

Big Nasty

Has si_guru seen this yet!?!:eek::eek::eek:

mattroche

Hi all you that are worrying about the Orange Mercedes. The facts are as follows.( 1) When I saw the car on Done Deal, it looked good, as quite a few of you thought also. When I went to see it, it was a different story. I asked the seller for the TAX Book to check the Chassis No.this is something that I always do. The Chassis No. DID NOT match. I explained to the seller that this car was a RINGER, and could only be Scrapped. That is why there are no TAX BOOK or No. Plated with the car.( 2 ) I want to take the CAR and No. PLATE out of circulation, so as no one else can use them. However, when I dropped the TAX BOOK down to the Dept. of Transport office in Shannon, they said they could not take it, it has to be taken by a breaker, who will give me an end of life certificate for the CAR and the TAX BOOK. He will then notify the Dept. that the car is scrapped
and he has the Tax Book, which he has to retain for inspection if required. I am also against ringed cars,this is why I wanted this Car and Tax book out of circulation. By the way, the car has a lot of rust, and the engine and gearbox are suspect. Even if it was a straight car, I dont think it was worth doing up, althougt I am very reluctant to scrap W123 Mercs. Regards to all, Matt Roche

johnos1984

I find this incredibly hard to believe because it must have been a ringer from new Matt.......

Anyway the reg has been highlighted here for future reference in case it ever pops u p for sale. Maybe I'm a bit strange but I find the story about you knowingly buying a car to take the book out of circulation very far fetched.

I Was VB

Why the feck did you buy a car knowing that the logbook and car didn't match?? Its enough for anyone to steer clear of it. Doesn't make sence to buy a car just to scrap. Sorry I don't buy your story.

Kenny Logins

johnos1984 wrote: »

I find this incredibly hard to believe because it must have been a ringer from new Matt.......

Anyway the reg has been highlighted here for future reference in case it ever pops u p for sale. Maybe I'm a bit strange but I find the story about you knowingly buying a car to take the book out of circulation very far fetched.

Just ask your neighbour?

mustang68

mattroche wrote: »

I am also against ringed cars,this is why I wanted this Car and Tax book out of circulation. By the way, the car has a lot of rust, and the engine and gearbox are suspect.

You bought a car that you knew had an incorrect tax book, rusty and had engine and gearbox problems as a favour to the wider community?

carchaeologist

This reminds me of Alice in Wonderland....

Curiouser and curiouser!

I wonder if I've been changed in the night? Let me think. Was I the same when I got up this morning? I almost think I can remember feeling a little different. But if I'm not the same, the next question is 'Who in the world am I?' Ah, that's the great puzzle!

Well, I never heard it before, but it sounds uncommon nonsense.

I think I should understand that better, if I had it written down: but I can't quite follow it as you say it.

What is the use of repeating all that stuff, if you don't explain it as you go on? It's by far the most confusing thing I ever heard!

Dermo123

I would not be so quick to disregard Matt's story just yet. If you follow the thread it shows that he is dealing with a lot of old Mercs as a business, W123's in particular. So he sells some for the road and some for parts. If he found the orange one to be a ringer and told the seller I am sure he was able to negociate the price down signifigantly and make a handy profit on parts to people that probably bought some other w123's off him.
Accusing someone of intending to break the law before it happens is not fair even though the assumption is a reasonable one given all that is going on with this lark currently.

carchaeologist

So you definatly need a COD to officially scrap a car nowadays?

The fact the seller had a ringer and didn't know is a bad thing too, someone knowingly sold that car on at some stage knowing it was dodgy. This is my main argument about people ringing stuff.

Dermo123

carchaeologist wrote: »

So you definatly need a COD to officially scrap a car nowadays?

The fact the seller had a ringer and didn't know is a bad thing too, someone knowingly sold that car on at some stage knowing it was dodgy. This is my main argument about people ringing stuff.

Sure I agree the law was broken in the past and it could have been when the car was a few years old when it was worth a lot of money. We are now dealing with a low 3 figure sum at the end of life of this particular vehicle. This thread was started on the basis that a future ringer is a high possibility and called into question the bona fidas of the current advertiser. What I am saying is we should not be so quick to make accusations in this case based on what others are doing now and in the past.

johnos1984

Dermo123 wrote: »

What I am saying is we should not be so quick to make accusations in this case based on what others are doing now and in the past.

I have no problem in apologising if I have made an incorrect assumption but when everything points to the assumption I made, and I wouldn't make it lightly, and the response has been rather far fetched and incoherent I think it is safe to assume that the original warning post I made is probably correct.

It would not surprise me at all if that reg number appeared again in the future

Kenny Logins

johnos1984 wrote: »

I have no problem in apologising if I have made an incorrect assumption but when everything points to the assumption I made, and I wouldn't make it lightly, and the response has been rather far fetched and incoherent I think it is safe to assume that the original warning post I made is probably correct.

It would not surprise me at all if that reg number appeared again in the future

Have you asked the seller about it?

johnos1984

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Have you asked the seller about it?

I'm currently in Scotland so God knows when I'll see him.

The car lived it's earlier life down in Dromineer, it got parked up for a few years and then reappeared abouyt 7-8 years ago down the road from me at my neighbours who used to respray cars. He was well known in the area. He drove it regularly for many years, I think he had it in a St.Patricks day parade in Nenagh and then he passed it on to a member of his family.

I would seriously doubt it's a ringer unless it was rung very early in it's life

Dermo123

johnos1984 wrote: »

I have no problem in apologising if I have made an incorrect assumption but when everything points to the assumption I made, and I wouldn't make it lightly, and the response has been rather far fetched and incoherent I think it is safe to assume that the original warning post I made is probably correct.

It would not surprise me at all if that reg number appeared again in the future

Well the MattRoche chap that contributed to this thread (if he really is the person with the current ad and not a troll) would be fairly silly to make that number appear again given that he already gave an answer that we either choose to believe or not and why would he go to the trouble to address the issue if his intentions were to make it appear again. It is now on record here in any case so I suppose this thread has helped prevent it if that was his intention.

mattroche

Hi, thank all you Doupting Thomases for your responses. Johnos 1984 is indeed correct in stateing that the Car was owned by a person in Dromineer. The Tax Book states that she got it in 1995 and she last taxed it in to Aug 1998. Do you know what colour it was then?. If it was RED then that was the orignal car. If it was ORANGE at that time, then it was RINGED before then. According to the tax book 8 previous owners, before 1995. There was no activity on the tax book again until 2006, when it was regestered by Johnnos neighbour. What happened the car in between? does he know? I would like to ask all of you , what would you do if you came accross a RINGER to-morrow, leave it in circulation!!. Dermo123 is spot on, I did indeed get the car at a reduced price, but believe me, I wont be making a handy profit, the car is completely rotten, I dont know how Johnos thinks it was a good car, it probably was 10 years ago. The breaker is coming for the car and tax book next Tue. As I have already said earlier I dont like ringers.

johnos1984

The car was always orange. It was parked up for a few years on a driveway down there before going to my neighbour who re commissioned it.

If it is all as you say Matt then fair play to you but you can understand where I'm coming from and how it looks given you say you dislike ringing also.

Seems we are both concerned about the same thing but coming from different directions

Big Nasty

mattroche wrote: »

I wont be making a handy profit, the car is completely rotten, I dont know how Johnos thinks it was a good car, it probably was 10 years ago.

Then why did you buy it!?!

johnos1984

MCMLXXV wrote: »

mattroche wrote: »

I wont be making a handy profit, the car is completely rotten, I dont know how Johnos thinks it was a good car, it probably was 10 years ago.

Then why did you buy it!?!

I can't get that straight in my head either and I never noticed anything seriously wrong with the car. It certainly wasn't as rotten on top and it was restored and owned by someone who made their living respraying cars

mattroche

Hi Johnos 1984, thank you for your information. As I suspected, it was RINGED before the lady from Dromineer Bought it. The tax book that I have is the 2nd tax book, and she is the 1st. person named on it. It does say that she is the 9th owner, but it does not give the names of the previous owners. The Tax Book states it was 1st. reg in April 1978 and the colour was RED, so who knows when it was Ringed. Back then the V.R.T. would have been fairly high, probably about about £900 punts. The Chasis No. between the orignal chassis No. thats in the Tax Book and the one on the car is about 79,000 velicles, which makes me think car was probably 1983, but that is just a guess. Dermo 123 says it is a business with me , it is NOT, it is my hobby. I retired last year as I was 70, and I dont do Golf, Soccer, Ect. but this is my hobby, and it is great fun going to rallys every Sun during the Summer its is worse than drink, it is a complete addiction!!. I cant see a 123, but I feel I have to buy it. For anyone who would like to know, if you want to check the Chassis No on a Mercedes W123 look at the bulkhead under the windscreen and it should be there, dont just go on the plate in front of the radiator, as that could have been switched. If anyone has any further questions, please feel free to call me on 0868677601 during the day, but Please dont abuse it. I will NOT ANSWER PRIVATE NUMBERS. Looking forward to heraing from you

carchaeologist

Matt, it's not a good idea to post your personal number on a public forum, everyone and his dog can see it. I cant edit the post but maybe another mod can?

Kenny Logins

mattroche wrote: »

Hi Johnos 1984, thank you for your information. As I suspected, it was RINGED before the lady from Dromineer Bought it. The tax book that I have is the 2nd tax book, and she is the 1st. person named on it. It does say that she is the 9th owner, but it does not give the names of the previous owners. The Tax Book states it was 1st. reg in April 1978 and the colour was RED, so who knows when it was Ringed. Back then the V.R.T. would have been fairly high, probably about about £900 punts. The Chasis No. between the orignal chassis No. thats in the Tax Book and the one on the car is about 79,000 velicles, which makes me think car was probably 1983, but that is just a guess. Dermo 123 says it is a business with me , it is NOT, it is my hobby. I retired last year as I was 70, and I dont do Golf, Soccer, Ect. but this is my hobby, and it is great fun going to rallys every Sun during the Summer its is worse than drink, it is a complete addiction!!. I cant see a 123, but I feel I have to buy it. For anyone who would like to know, if you want to check the Chassis No on a Mercedes W123 look at the bulkhead under the windscreen and it should be there, dont just go on the plate in front of the radiator, as that could have been switched. If anyone has any further questions, please feel free to call me on <snip> during the day, but Please dont abuse it. I will NOT ANSWER PRIVATE NUMBERS. Looking forward to heraing from you

I've always wanted a W123, I think I know who to ask about one now.

mattroche

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Then wh did you buy it!?!

Hi MCMLXXV, What part of taking the Car AND Tax Book out of Circulation do you not understand? You still have NOT answered my question, what would you do under the same circumstances? I am NEW to Boards .IE. I am curious, did your Parent give you such HORRIBLE NAMES that you are embarrased to use them, and use anonynous names instead. My Name is nothing special, but I am quite happto use it.

Tzar Chasm

Wha? I have a great name thank you very much;)

Matt there is one fairly easy way to silence the critics here, post upome pictures of the rust

mattroche

Kenny Logins wrote: »

I've always wanted a W123, I think I know who to ask about one now.

Thank you Kenny, you can call me whenever you want to buy, I will be only too pleased to help if I can, but bear in mind I am NO expert.

Kenny Logins

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Wha? I have a great name thank you very much;)

Matt there is one fairly easy way to silence the critics here, post upome pictures of the rust

It's on Donedeal, they can go have a look for themselves.

mattroche

Hi Carchaeologist, where did you get a name like that!!. Thanks for your advice, I am well aware of getting odd -balls ringing. If they want to talk about classic cars, especally Mercedes W123 I have NO problem. If they want to talk about something else, I will refer them to the Samaritans!! I will only answer the phone during the day, but will NOT ANSWER PRIVATE NUMBERS.

f4fay

mattroche wrote: »

Hi Carchaeologist, where did you get a name like that!!. Thanks for your advice, I am well aware of getting odd -balls ringing. If they want to talk about classic cars, especally Mercedes W123 I have NO problem. If they want to talk about something else, I will refer them to the Samaritans!! I will only answer the phone during the day, but will NOT ANSWER PRIVATE NUMBERS.

He thinks He knows everything there is to know about cars and more !!!!:D

Fair play to you Matt you have put a stop to yet another Witch-Hunt on Boards.!!!!

johnos1984

f4fay wrote: »

Fair play to you Matt you have put a stop to yet another Witch-Hunt on Boards.!!!!

I suppose the rest of us who try and highlight people damaging the classic car scene in Ireland should go stand in the corner and hang our heads in shame then?

I highlighted what appeared to be something shabby taking place. Also I don't understand why he would buy a car like this and then scrap it for very little.

Too much here doesn't make sense

Sorry but that's how it appears to me

f4fay

johnos1984 wrote: »

I suppose the rest of us who try and highlight people damaging the classic car scene in Ireland should go stand in the corner and hang our heads in shame then?

I highlighted what appeared to be something shabby taking place. Also I don't understand why he would buy a car like this and then scrap it for very little.

Too much here doesn't make sense

Sorry but that's how it appears to me

It Really does'nt matter how it appears to you !!!! I dont condone people ringing cars but i think the acquisations that are made by certain people on here are disgraseful and as i've said before it is bringing unwanted attention and before anyone comes back with do we just ignore it ? NO but get some facts and not just what appears to you !!!! before a thread heading like Future Merc Ringer is displayed !!!

carchaeologist

mattroche wrote: »

Hi Carchaeologist, where did you get a name like that!!.

Hello Matt, and since no one has said it already because of all the banter welcome to boards. Don't be too put off by all this chat on this particular thread, ringing cars is a subject dear to our hearts on here and we tend to get fairly animated about it sometimes..
Usually we all get along just fine!!:D
We would appriciate your 70+ years of motoring experience and knowledge of all things W123 if you wish to stick around for a bit!

As for my name, It's obviously not my real one, I just like rusty old cars it's obviously Car & archaeologist jammed together.
Though some people's names on here make little sense!