Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

lubo_moravcik

the realpigiron wrote: »

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

http://radiofanjeeta.blogspot.com/2012/03/lord-of-manor-whyte.html @tommyinglasgow

100% correct, those two guys telling it like it is. Rangers FC have been involved in an almighty scam of epic proportions.

In any other country they would be demoted to the bottom tier of the game, in the way that clubs like Fiorentina were and Juventus were also demoted a division in Italy for example. Rangers should also have numerous titles struck off the record.

Quite unbelievable what has gone on at that club, and the corruption is likely to continue because proper justice is unlikely to be meted out to Rangers FC. UEFA should be - and I'm sure are - keeping a close monitor on what's happening there at Rangers and how the SFA are handling it or not as the case may be.

See they can't be though, there is currently no system in place which allows a team to be kicked out of the spl and to just drop into Division 1, 2 or 3.

Jelle1880

Exactly, they are two completely separate entities.

bobbysands81

From STV;

"Administrators confirmed that the selling of Rangers' assets to a new company and the liquidation of the club is the "more likely scenario" in their attempts to get a quick sale of the club in the next 48 hours."

bobbysands81

Dempsey wrote: »

Nothing but hot air keith and rewording what you've already said. I asked for tanigble proof and you have none. I asked for evidence (several other people have too) about the away support of Rangers which you claim to be the biggest in Scotland and you have shown us nothing.

I'm waiting on that info too... though I do suspect he may be right (part of the reason being that Rangers are able to bring more away fans to Celtic Park than we are to Ibrox because our stadium is bigger).

Dempsey

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

the realpigiron wrote: »

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

http://radiofanjeeta.blogspot.com/2012/03/lord-of-manor-whyte.html @tommyinglasgow

100% correct, those two guys telling it like it is. Rangers FC have been involved in an almighty scam of epic proportions.

In any other country they would be demoted to the bottom tier of the game, in the way that clubs like Fiorentina were and Juventus were also demoted a division in Italy for example. Rangers should also have numerous titles struck off the record.

Quite unbelievable what has gone on at that club, and the corruption is likely to continue because proper justice is unlikely to be meted out to Rangers FC. UEFA should be - and I'm sure are - keeping a close monitor on what's happening there at Rangers and how the SFA are handling it or not as the case may be.

See they can't be though, there is currently no system in place which allows a team to be kicked out of the spl and to just drop into Division 1, 2 or 3.

you need to go look at the rule book again if you think that the rules somehow protect rangers

greendom

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

See they can't be though, there is currently no system in place which allows a team to be kicked out of the spl and to just drop into Division 1, 2 or 3.

down to the Highland League then - or park football perhaps - Is there a Glasgow Sunday League ?

Jelle1880

Rangers FC Update
Thursday, 08 March 2012

Stewart Regan, the Scottish FA Chief Executive, reveals that the findings of the Independent Inquiry into Rangers FC have been heard at a Special Board Meeting at Hampden Park today and will now be referred to the Judicial Panel.



“I can confirm that the Scottish FA convened a Special Board Meeting at Hampden Park today to discuss the findings of the Independent Inquiry into Rangers FC, prepared by the Chair, The Right Honourable Lord William Nimmo Smith.

Principally, it is the belief of the Board, taking into account the prima facie evidence presented today, that Mr Craig Whyte is not considered to be a Fit and Proper person to hold a position within Association Football.
We will be writing to Mr Whyte in relation to those findings and shall seek a response within seven days.
The report submitted by Lord Nimmo Smith, having been considered fully by the Board, highlights a number of other potential rule breaches by the club and its owner. The report will now be used as evidence and forwarded to a Judicial Panel for consideration and determination as per the protocol.
As such, the report’s contents will not be published at this time. Nevertheless, I can confirm that the club is facing a charge of bringing the game into disrepute. Specifically, areas of potential breach to be considered by the Judicial Panel include:
· Obligations and duties of members
· Official return
· Financial records
· Division of receipts and payment of expenses (Scottish Cup)
I would like to clarify the situation relating to possible non-disclosure of payments to players, and in particular the Employee Benefit Trust. Having noted the Scottish Premier League’s intention to investigate this matter, the Board has decided to allow the SPL to complete this process, given our potential status as the appellate body. We retain our position until such time as the SPL’s investigation is concluded.
Finally, we have sent a letter to the Rangers administrators, Duff and Phelps, advising them that failure to pay monies owed to another member constitutes a breach of the Cup Competition Rules. Consequently, the club faces disciplinary action unless they make payments due to Dundee United from their recent William Hill Scottish Cup tie. A Notice of Complaint has been issued to that effect.”

I know this is all Whyte's fault, but sounds like they're covering their asses for failing to perform a 'fit and proper test' in the first place.

legendary.xix

Word in some quarters wouldn't put it past the SPL to keep Rangers in the Premier Division, even if liquidated.

Dempsey

I'm glad that they have ****ed up because the "test" was a poor one.

It puts the entire Scottish Game at risk when the likes of Romanov and Whyte can sail through the test. There should be a stringent background check on anyone that wants to be involved in running a scottish football club and I'd include directors being tested. Dave King shouldnt be near a football club tbh

Jelle1880

But do you think they'll learn from this ?

I doubt it.

legendary.xix

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7579087/

Poyet - Punish cheats

"I've got a clear view of that and I'm not talking about Portsmouth exclusively," Poyet told The Argus.

"I would be more severe with any club, because it is people that right or wrong are cheating the competition.

"They try to spend what they don't have to see if they can get up and if they don't they go into administration.

"It shouldn't be like that. For me categorically I would like the teams that get into that down, not 10 points, down.

"Then we will see how the teams are going to react and who is going to take responsibility.

"That is the other point. Somebody needs to be responsible."

Has he got a point? I think he's right. Clubs spending beyond their means is a form of financial doping. Their needs to be a stiffer penalty.

Eirebear

Yep, as expected - The SFA through their wonderous use of hinsdsight have decided that the guy who conned thousands of fans out of their club is indeed not "Fit and Proper".

Will they hold their hands up and admit their mistake?
Can't wait to see the answer to that one.

willmunny1990

Mr Craig Whyte is not considered to be a Fit and Proper person to hold a position within Association Football.

Wow Im really shocked by this. didn't expect to hear that in a million years.

Jelle1880

legendary.xix wrote: »

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7579087/

Poyet - Punish cheats

"I've got a clear view of that and I'm not talking about Portsmouth exclusively," Poyet told The Argus.

"I would be more severe with any club, because it is people that right or wrong are cheating the competition.

"They try to spend what they don't have to see if they can get up and if they don't they go into administration.

"It shouldn't be like that. For me categorically I would like the teams that get into that down, not 10 points, down.

"Then we will see how the teams are going to react and who is going to take responsibility.

"That is the other point. Somebody needs to be responsible."

Has he got a point? I think he's right. Clubs spending beyond their means is a form of financial doping. Their needs to be a stiffer penalty.

And in the meantime the Football League give Pompey 800.000 to finish the season.

Dempsey

legendary.xix wrote: »

Word in some quarters wouldn't put it past the SPL to keep Rangers in the Premier Division, even if liquidated.

The SPL/SFA/SFL cannot just throw Rangers back into the SPL

If Rangers are liquidated, they have to apply for a new club licence. They have the opportunity to apply for membership of the SPL again. It goes to a vote whereby all the SPL clubs vote and Rangers have to win it 11:1 and if that happens, it goes to the SPL Board for ratification.

Current SPL Board:

Ralph Topping (SPL Chairman)

Neil Doncaster (SPL Chief Executive)
Eric Riley (Celtic FC)
Derek Weir (Motherwell FC)
Steven Brown (St Johnstone FC)
Stephen Thompson (Dundee United FC)

If the vote is a tie, whatever way Ralph Topping voted wins.

Eirebear

legendary.xix wrote: »

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7579087/

Poyet - Punish cheats

"I've got a clear view of that and I'm not talking about Portsmouth exclusively," Poyet told The Argus.

"I would be more severe with any club, because it is people that right or wrong are cheating the competition.

"They try to spend what they don't have to see if they can get up and if they don't they go into administration.

"It shouldn't be like that. For me categorically I would like the teams that get into that down, not 10 points, down.

"Then we will see how the teams are going to react and who is going to take responsibility.

"That is the other point. Somebody needs to be responsible."

Has he got a point? I think he's right. Clubs spending beyond their means is a form of financial doping. Their needs to be a stiffer penalty.

I think you're slightly missing the point. (Along with Gus)

Football has been guilty of "Spending beyond it's means" for decades now.
Rangers are the thin end of the wedge, believe me - If Rangers get done in the Big Tax Case, then others will follow.
HMRC have already tried, and failed with the likes of Sheffield Wednesday, Arsenal and a couple of others - eventually they will win a case that sets precedent.

Jelle1880

Douglas Fraser ‏ @BBCDouglsFraser Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
SFA statement on #Rangers and Craig Whyte doesn't address the Association's own role in vetting the takeover last May

edit: Oh sweet irony that someone who works in English football talks about overspending

PauloMN

Looks like the other SPL clubs (minus Celtic) are seizing the opportunity of Rangers' troubles to get together and possibly join forces for future SPL discussions:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17304341

Bit baffled as to how such discussions can be held without Celtic and Rangers involved, but I'm not really bothered - in fact, if this is the road towards another dominant force in the SPL I'm all for it.

Jelle1880

Or they are simply seeing an opportunity, without Rangers, to force Celtic to accept their proposal, whatever it may be.

PauloMN

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Or they are simply seeing an opportunity, without Rangers, to force Celtic to accept their proposal, whatever it may be.

Yep, maybe so, like I said I'd be cautious of it because Celtic and Rangers are not involved, but my point is I like the fact that the other clubs are seeing the opportunity to strengthen, which will be good for the league.

Dempsey

PauloMN wrote: »

Looks like the other SPL clubs (minus Celtic) are seizing the opportunity of Rangers' troubles to get together and possibly join forces for future SPL discussions:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17304341

Bit baffled as to how such discussions can be held without Celtic and Rangers involved, but I'm not really bothered - in fact, if this is the road towards another dominant force in the SPL I'm all for it.

"This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to change things."

I'm delighted that other SPL clubs see the opportunity to the end the flawed league model that is the SPL. There is a real appetite, first with fans now finally with clubs, for proper change in Scottish Football, I hope they see it through. They are going to leverage Celtic over the distribution of TV money/prizemoney which was heavily geared towards the Old Firm getting the bulk of the money. A fairer distribution wont hurt Celtic that much.

PauloMN

Dempsey wrote: »

A fairer distribution wont hurt Celtic that much.

That's exactly why I'm not overly bothered, the TV money is a much smaller percentage of Celtic's total revenue than it is for the other clubs.

I hope the other clubs really go hell-for-leather with trying to improve/invest in their squads and getting the fans back into the grounds. There's a great opportunity for clubs like Hearts and Motherwell to take advantage of Rangers' position (whether they are gone or weakened).

RoryMac

Dempsey wrote: »

I'm delighted that other SPL clubs see the opportunity to the end the flawed league model that is the SPL. There is a real appetite, first with fans now finally with clubs, for proper change in Scottish Football, I hope they see it through. They are going to leverage Celtic over the distribution of TV money/prizemoney which was heavily geared towards the Old Firm getting the bulk of the money. A fairer distribution wont hurt Celtic that much.

I'd be very surprised if the outcome of this meeting was any more than an agreement that the other clubs get a bigger cut of the TV money and possibily a stance on Rangers re-entry to the SPL if they are liquidated.

Have they given any indication they the want to change the structure of the game?

Dempsey

RoryMac wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if the outcome of this meeting was any more than an agreement that the other clubs get a bigger cut of the TV money and possibily a stance on Rangers re-entry to the SPL if they are liquidated.

Have they given any indication they the want to change the structure of the game?

The 10 non-Old Firm SPL clubs have long been unhappy with the distribution of income as it favours Rangers and Celtic and also dislike an 11-1 majority requirement on major issues that they believe allows those two clubs to dictate change.

The SPL clubs reached agreement in January 2011 for a 10-team top league and a second tier of 12 teams, but that plan failed to materialise following growing opposition from clubs who preferred to expand the present top tier.

"We will be looking at a number of things," said the SPL club chairman. "Changing the voting structure will be part of that.

"We are at a crossroads and need to meet for the future of the game.

"This is the best chance in the last 25 years to stop the Old Firm's domination of the game.

"The distribution of income, a 12-club SPL and a 10-club top league below that, with more income for the clubs below, will all be discussed.

Plenty of changes being mooted

plasmaguy

Dempsey wrote: »

I'm delighted that other SPL clubs see the opportunity to the end the flawed league model that is the SPL. There is a real appetite, first with fans now finally with clubs, for proper change in Scottish Football, I hope they see it through. They are going to leverage Celtic over the distribution of TV money/prizemoney which was heavily geared towards the Old Firm getting the bulk of the money. A fairer distribution wont hurt Celtic that much.

It's the same model in Spain. I think the big two get about 80% of revenues in total. But those are the games people want to watch and will pay to watch.

No-one would pay to watch Getaffe against Levante.

The same in Scotland, who would pay to see Hibs play Hearts to be honest?

RoryMac

Dempsey wrote: »

Plenty of changes being mooted

Sorry on my phone so didn't get to read the article, still think the main concern of the clubs will be the TV money and voting rights.

I'd be delighted if they came up with concrete plans for a change in the league setup but really can't see it, if that was part of the plan why would Celtic(& Rangers) be excluded from the discussions?

Dempsey

plasmaguy wrote: »

It's the same model in Spain. I think the big two get about 80% of revenues in total. But those are the games people want to watch and will pay to watch.

No-one would pay to watch Getaffe against Levante.

The same in Scotland, who would pay to see Hibs play Hearts to be honest?

Spanish Clubs negotiate their own TV rights individually. Celtic and Rangers do collective bargaining along with the other clubs. The wealth distribution of the SPL is nothing like La Liga.

http://omegabetting.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/spl-prize-money/

1 – 4% + 13% = 17%
2 – 4% + 11% = 15%
3 – 4% + 5.5% = 9.5%
4 – 4% + 4.5% = 8.5%
5 – 4% + 4.0% = 8.0%
6 – 4% + 3.5% = 7.5%
7 – 4% + 3.0% = 7.0%
8 – 4% + 2.5% = 6.5%
9 – 4% + 2.0% = 6.0%
10 – 4% + 1.5% = 5.5%
11 – 4% + 1.0% = 5.0%
12 – 4% + 0.5% = 4.5%

1 – £2,210,000
2 – £1,950,000
3 – £1,170,000
4 – £1,105,000
5 – £1,040,000
6 – £975,000
7 – £910,000
8 – £845,000
9 – £780,000
10 – £715,000
11 – £650,000
12 – £585,000

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/11/07/sandro-rossell-barcelona-will-share-tv-money-if-la-liga-reduce-number-of-teams/

At present Real Madrid and Barca collect £136million a season from the TV deals nearly 10 times as much as their nearest rivals.

RoryMac wrote: »

Sorry on my phone so didn't get to read the article, still think the main concern of the clubs will be the TV money and voting rights.

I'd be delighted if they came up with concrete plans for a change in the league setup but really can't see it, if that was part of the plan why would Celtic(& Rangers) be excluded from the discussions?

Leverage because of the current voting system I'd guess.

cson

plasmaguy wrote: »

The same in Scotland, who would pay to see Hibs play Hearts to be honest?

You could have picked another game than the Edinburgh Derby to emphasis that. Its the second biggest game in the league after the Old Firm.

RoryMac

Dempsey wrote: »

Leverage because of the current voting system I'd guess.

I'm sure you're right but I don't see Celtic being against a decent plan for restruture of the league, there will be clubs at the meeting who have been far more vocal in their opposition to restructure.

Any idea how the other clubs can change the current voting without an 11-1 vote in favour? Could they be planning a breakaway?

Coillte_Bhoy

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Douglas Fraser ‏ @BBCDouglsFraser Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
SFA statement on #Rangers and Craig Whyte doesn't address the Association's own role in vetting the takeover last May

edit: Oh sweet irony that someone who works in English football talks about overspending

Where is overspending mentioned there?