Built-in/fitted wardrobes needed, Galway

New_Girl

Hi, I tried posting this in the interior design but no replies, so I thought this forum (and in the DIY) may be able to help me...

I'm looking to get built-in/fitted wardrobes in two bedrooms, both would need, I'm guessing, 3 hinged doors.

I'd like to have floor to ceiling with a full body/carcass with a simple rail and top shelf with single shelf column in each. I would prefer to have hinged rather than sliding doors but it will come down to price.

Can anyone recommend where to go for this in Galway? carpenters/companies etc. Also, any ideas on what I should/could be paying would be great.

Cheers

galwaydude18

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woodturner

Roughly €120-150 per foot, so a 6' wardrobe would cost between €720-900. May be more depending on what kind of doors you need. This price would be for a wardrobe with foil/vinyl wrapped doors.
Sorry, also wanted to add, it also depends on the finish of the carcasses whether you would be ok with beige/white chipboard or melamined chipboard in oak, cherry or another wood finish.

thisNthat

woodturner wrote: »

Roughly €120-150 per foot, so a 6' wardrobe would cost between €720-900.

What are you quoting there.. Gold Plated??? :rolleyes:

That's the most overpriced and ridiculous estimate I've ever heard and with so many highly skilled carpenters out of work you could get an excellent job done for at least half that but still nice to see some people living with the "Boom Years" mentality.

galwaydude18

thisNthat wrote: »

woodturner wrote: »

Roughly €120-150 per foot, so a 6' wardrobe would cost between €720-900.

What are you quoting there.. Gold Plated??? :rolleyes:

That's the most overpriced and ridiculous estimate I've ever heard and with so many highly skilled carpenters out of work you could get an excellent job done for at least half that but still nice to see some people living with the "Boom Years" mentality.

And are you working for the price of materials only and not making any profit. Anyone on the dole doing the job on the black market are not paying taxes!

Full length plain doors without any glass or mirror are the guts of €60 each so there's €180, you will need at least 4 a 5 sheets (not including backs) of 18mm mdf at roughly €30 a sheet for plain white. That's another €120 - €150. A roll of edging to match the doors €25 ish. Then a box of screws €20 depending on what brand you buy.

So say roughly €375 for materials and that's not even including the cost of the backs, hanging rails, a plinth or kitchen feet to level the wardrobe, hinges and handles.

Not even including the cost of diesel to collect the materials, doing a survey and fitting costs as well.

So please tell me how it can be done any cheaper than €720 - €900 ?

galwayrush

thisNthat wrote: »

What are you quoting there.. Gold Plated??? :rolleyes:

That's the most overpriced and ridiculous estimate I've ever heard and with so many highly skilled carpenters out of work you could get an excellent job done for at least half that but still nice to see some people living with the "Boom Years" mentality.

Labour and Materials for half that? :eek:
Sounds like crap materials and a crap standard.

woodturner

thisNthat wrote: »

What are you quoting there.. Gold Plated??? :rolleyes:

That's the most overpriced and ridiculous estimate I've ever heard and with so many highly skilled carpenters out of work you could get an excellent job done for at least half that but still nice to see some people living with the "Boom Years" mentality.

If you have some time on your hands go and price the materials.

galwaydude18

galwayrush wrote: »

Labour and Materials for half that? :eek:
Sounds like crap materials and a crap standard.

Sounds worse than that. Sound like it would be made from cardboard if someone made if for less than half that. :-(

woodturner

I'm still so confused. How does it seem overpriced, honestly? What planet are you on?

fm

galwaydude18 wrote: »

And are you working for the price of materials only and not making any profit. Anyone on the dole doing the job on the black market are not paying taxes!

Full length plain doors without any glass or mirror are the guts of €60 each so there's €180, you will need at least 4 a 5 sheets (not including backs) of 18mm mdf at roughly €30 a sheet for plain white. That's another €120 - €150. A roll of edging to match the doors €25 ish. Then a box of screws €20 depending on what brand you buy.

So say roughly €375 for materials and that's not even including the cost of the backs, hanging rails, a plinth or kitchen feet to level the wardrobe, hinges and handles.

Not even including the cost of diesel to collect the materials, doing a survey and fitting costs as well.

So please tell me how it can be done any cheaper than €720 - €900 ?

and add operating costs,
rent esb,rates,phone, insurance,bin charges,financing,accountant,maintanence etc.

galwaydude18

fm wrote: »

and add operating costs,
rent esb,rates,phone, insurance,bin charges,financing,accountant,maintanence etc.

Excatly! It can't be done. Everything needs to be paid along with making a few quid to keep the household bills paid as well.

thisNthat

fm wrote: »

and add operating costs,
rent esb,rates,phone, insurance,bin charges,financing,accountant,maintanence etc.

Ha Ha Ha your kidding right??? Your fitting a wardrobe not building a housing estate :rolleyes:

Shur what about new wheels for the BMW,
Extra cash to finance the second house and the wife could do with a new car,
And the 50 inch LCD TV in the bedroom could do with an upgrade,
I mean who's gonna pay for that :rolleyes:

Yr all living in the past boys but no doubt you'll fine some gombine who'll believe yr "Boom years" mentality attitude so fair play to ye!!

Were ye front row at the Árd Fheis of Fianna Fáil??

Keep talking the talk boys

galwaydude18

thisNthat wrote: »

fm wrote: »

and add operating costs,
rent esb,rates,phone, insurance,bin charges,financing,accountant,maintanence etc.

Ha Ha Ha your kidding right??? Your fitting a wardrobe not building a housing estate :rolleyes:

Shur what about new wheels for the BMW,
Extra cash to finance the second house and the wife could do with a new car,
And the 50 inch LCD TV in the bedroom could do with an upgrade,
I mean who's gonna pay for that :rolleyes:

Yr all living in the past boys but no doubt you'll fine some gombine who's believe yr "Boom years" mentality attitude so fair play to ye!!

Where were ye sitting at the Árd Fheis of Fianna Fáil?? Front row I'd say...

Keep talking the talk boys

Well let's see your price list for the complete selection of materials needed to make a 6 foot wardrobe including every detail down to the handles, diesel, insurance, the electricity cost to manufacture them, van tax, van insurance.

So you have no overheads at all do you? Do you carry it all on your back from the builders yard to the site? And cut it all with a handsaw that will eventually need to be replaced or sharpened depending on what kind of handsaw you have? Oh wait actually there is an overhead! The handsaw that will eventually need replacing or sharpened.

paddy147

Ikea for the win here.

Their range of wardrobes (normal doors and sliding doors) is the mutts nutts and very well priced.

You can make up so many combinations with them too.

galwaydude18

paddy147 wrote: »

Ikea for the win here.

Their range of wardrobes (normal doors and sliding doors) is the mutts nutts and very well priced.

You can make up so many combinations with them too.

And there ya go mass production throwing out thousands of them everyday and the the end result is something far less nice to look at compared to custom wardrobes that have fillers etc. that make it look part of the wall rather than ikea ones leaving gaps everywhere around them!

Ikea is cheap caus they don't care how long it takes until it falls apart. I mean would you buy your stairs from there or get a proper made one that will be made to suit site condutions where your joinery will actually care about there craft where the ikea assembly people havnt spent thousands of hours perfecting their trade and skill don't care once it's gone past their station?

thisNthat

paddy147 wrote: »

Ikea for the win here.

Their range of wardrobes (normal doors and sliding doors) is the mutts nutts and very well priced.

You can make up so many combinations with them too.

Cash and Carry Kitchens are very good too paddy147, very well priced but say nothing we don't want to expose value for money,
It won't go down well with the boys

paddy147

galwaydude18 wrote: »

And there ya go mass production throwing out thousands of them everyday and the the end result is something far less nice to look at compared to custom wardrobes that have fillers etc. that make it look part of the wall rather than ikea ones leaving gaps everywhere around them!

Ikea is cheap caus they don't care how long it takes until it falls apart. I mean would you buy your stairs from there or get a proper made one that will be made to suit site condutions where your joinery will actually care about there craft where the ikea assembly people havnt spent thousands of hours perfecting their trade and skill don't care once it's gone past their station?

Yep so a 10 year Ikea guarentee is bad too then is it.

I mean it must be,seen as you are the one who is knocking them,but I wonder why that is??.

I dont care if Ikea get little elves to mass produce it,all I know is that I saved alot of money by buying Ikea wardrobes and then customising them to my needs.:)


P.S-Ive bought various Ikea products previously,and guess what,still going strong.Good sturdy products that are very easy to assemble.

galwayrush

paddy147 wrote: »

Ikea for the win here.

Their range of wardrobes (normal doors and sliding doors) is the mutts nutts and very well priced.

You can make up so many combinations with them too.

You have to get someone to fit the chipboard..
Build something to fill the gaps that 'standard' units don't fit into..
The OP is looking for built it/ fitted...

galwaydude18

thisNthat wrote: »

Cash and Carry Kitchens are very good too paddy147, very well priced but say nothing we don't want to expose value for money,
It won't go down well with the boys

And you still haven't told us how they can be made and fitted for half the price? Provided no evidence at all how you can do it!

February21

Ikea has a 10 year warrenty on their wardrobes.

If you have a regular space - they are a great solution. Price is reasonable, and you can get the higher-end finish (costing more) which is very design conscious.

The SAME price for custom-built will NOT get you anything similar in style or quality. BUT if you are willing to spend the cash to have custom built and design worthy wardrobes then I think you should be realistic and expect to pay for high quality materials and expert work.

To sum up :

Low cost will get you crap - both off-the-shelf and custom made
Mid cost will get you good Ikea wardrobes and crap custom made
High cost will get you fabulous custom made wardrobes

It just a case of identifying what you WANT and what you are willing to spend.

kadman

Play nice boys;)

For the naysayers, put up your pricing on such a job, as others already have. And discuss it nicely.

And compare like with like. Ikea or B&Q is not the same as fitted by a professional. Its an interesting exercise.

kadman

fm

thisNthat wrote: »

Ha Ha Ha your kidding right??? Your fitting a wardrobe not building a housing estate :rolleyes:

mate, it's manufacturing and fitting of wardrobes,typical rubbish about the boom years blah blah blah.

You are obviously not in business because you have never heard of overheads

fm

thisNthat wrote: »

Cash and Carry Kitchens are very good too paddy147, very well priced but say nothing we don't want to expose value for money,
It won't go down well with the boys

How much for a three door wardrobe from cash and carry supplied and fitted?

galwaydude18

fm wrote: »

thisNthat wrote: »

Cash and Carry Kitchens are very good too paddy147, very well priced but say nothing we don't want to expose value for money,
It won't go down well with the boys

How much for a three door wardrobe from cash and carry supplied and fitted?

Right lads I just rang cash and carry in mullingar there. They don't do a 600 wide unit so they quoted me for two 900 units. They are charging €720 and then €150 to fit it.

Now all you good lads saying it can be done for half that please come back on here and put up yer prices for it as I have just proved that cash and carry who mass produce the stuff can't even do it for half the price ye claim!

thisNthat

galwaydude18 wrote: »

Right lads I just rang cash and carry in mullingar there. They don't do a 600 wide unit so they quoted me for two 900 units. They are charging €720 and then €150 to fit it.

Now all you good lads saying it can be done for half that please come back on here and put up yer prices for it as I have just proved that cash and carry who mass produce the stuff can't even do it for half the price ye claim!

Two 600 units = 1200
Two 900 units = 1800

That's a difference of the original size unit (600) so not exactly like for like and even that is still cheaper than your ridiculous estimates.

You expect the customer to pay for every bill you have whether related to the job or not (Judging by your previous posts).

You resort to knocking the quality and craftsmanship of IKEA, Cash & Carry Kitchens etc. to bolster the argument for your overpriced estimates.

Come down to earth lads, Seriously!!

galwaydude18

thisNthat wrote: »

galwaydude18 wrote: »

Right lads I just rang cash and carry in mullingar there. They don't do a 600 wide unit so they quoted me for two 900 units. They are charging €720 and then €150 to fit it.

Now all you good lads saying it can be done for half that please come back on here and put up yer prices for it as I have just proved that cash and carry who mass produce the stuff can't even do it for half the price ye claim!

Two 600 units = 1200
Two 900 units = 1800

That's a difference of the original size unit (600) so not exactly like for like and even that is still cheaper than your ridiculous estimates.

You expect the customer to pay for every bill you have whether related to the job or not (Judging by your previous posts).

You resort to knocking the quality and craftsmanship of IKEA, Cash & Carry Kitchens etc. to bolster the argument for your overpriced estimates.

Come down to earth lads, Seriously!!

Where have I knocked the quality of cash and carry kitchens? I haven't!

Also where did u see two 600 units? The op said three hinged doors and the standard for that would be 600 units therefor 1800 long.

I rang another kitchen crowd just now and they quoted me one 600 unit shelved out and a 1200 unit with a hanging rail for €690 and fitting would be a further €180.


Now at this stage thisNthat I'm asking you to please put up your pricing for the job and how you can do it for half the price of even cash and carry can do it for.

Not once have you posted any prices at all so until we see your pricing your the one living in dream land!!!

paddy147

galwayrush wrote: »

You have to get someone to fit the chipboard..
Build something to fill the gaps that 'standard' units don't fit into..
The OP is looking for built it/ fitted...

Maybe you should take a trip to Ikea and have a look,in the flesh,before making any more comments.

You havent got a clue here.Yet "think" you are fully qualified to slate a company and product.Typical.:rolleyes:

galwaydude18

paddy147 wrote: »

galwayrush wrote: »

You have to get someone to fit the chipboard..
Build something to fill the gaps that 'standard' units don't fit into..
The OP is looking for built it/ fitted...

Maybe you should take a trip to Ikea and have a look,in the flesh,before making any more comments.

You havent got a clue here.Yet "think" you are fully qualified to slate a company and product.Typical.:rolleyes:

Galwayrush is perfectly capable of making a comment like that. He is a qualified joiner with his own workshop and turns out top class joinery and what he said makes perfect sense.

An ikea wardrobe won't be a built in wardrobe. It will be a free standing wardrobe that does not have fillers all around it to fill in the unsightly gaps that a custom built wardrobe will have.

Paddy147 you yourself no that fillers are needed as you had a post last week were u were trying to paint what was caulk. Well there was a filler there where the silicone was. The carpenter used silicone to fill tiny discrepancies between the wall and the filler.

So after buying your kitchen and paying to get get fitted as well can you honestly say you would have been happy with your carpenter leaving a 20mm or 30mm gap between the end of your kitchen unit and the wall? I doubt you would be.

paddy147

kadman wrote: »

Play nice boys;)

For the naysayers, put up your pricing on such a job, as others already have. And discuss it nicely.

And compare like with like. Ikea or B&Q is not the same as fitted by a professional. Its an interesting exercise.

kadman

With regards to Ikea......I know quite a few professional carpenters and builders who buy Ikea wardrobes and various wardrobe fittings and then "modify" them to suit and give a built in look.


A very good alternative to paying out silly money,if you are on a budget or have X amount of cash to spend with a house build or rennovation project.





I also love how alot of carpenters feel the need to slate Ikea and their products.

Maybe its because all their noses are being put out of joint by Ikea being here in Ireland.;)

galwayrush

paddy147 wrote: »

Maybe you should take a trip to Ikea and have a look,in the flesh,before making any more comments.

You havent got a clue here.Yet "think" you are fully qualified to slate a company and product.Typical.:rolleyes:

I didn't slate anyone, compare like with like please...
I am well familliar with Ikea's standard. It's good for what it is, but it's not high standard or customised. I am more than qualified to notice the difference, some people obviously don't and are more than happy, even highly impressed with such goods, but the more discerning customer demands more. btw, how much per hour do you think a good tradesman is worth here? how much do you value your own time?
I am not the one without a clue here......:rolleyes:

paddy147

galwayrush wrote: »

I didn't slate anyone

You did,and slanderous too.
Maybe you need to re-read what you posted about Ikea then.

Let me refresh your memory.

galwaydude18 wrote: »

Ikea is cheap caus they don't care how long it takes until it falls apart.

galwaydude18

paddy147 wrote: »

With regards to Ikea......I know quite a few professional carpenters and builders who buy Ikea wardrobes and various wardrobe fittings and then "modify" them to suit and give a built in look.


A very good alternative to paying out silly money,if you are on a budget or have X amount of cash to spend with a house build or rennovation project.





I also love how alot of carpenters feel the need to slate Ikea and their products.

Maybe its because all their noses are being put out of joint by Ikea being here in Ireland.;)

And why do you think they do that paddy? I bet they charge a markup on what they paid then charge for the assembly and fitting of it and also extra to make it look all pretty to make it look a million dollars!

How much would you charge to manufacture and install a 1800 wardrobe with fillers all round, have it perfectly level and doors correctly adjusted?

Also you didn't answer my question in my last post.

paddy147

So now we have a member slating a company (Ikea) and also making unfounded slanderous comments about the company aswell.

Yet hes in total denial.

Brilliant.

galwaydude18

paddy147 wrote: »

So now we have a member slating a company (Ikea) and also making unfounded slanderous comments about the company aswell.

Yet hes in total denial.

Brilliant.

Who is in total denial? I don't see anyone denying anything on here.

paddy147

galwaydude18 wrote: »

Who is in total denial? I don't see anyone denying anything on here.

So you didnt slate Ikea or slander them then???

Because you did and have,yet you seem to deny this..

Re-read what you posted again.

galwaydude18 wrote: »

Ikea is cheap caus they don't care how long it takes until it falls apart.

Oh and have a nice day.

Regards.

galwayrush

paddy147 wrote: »

You did,and slanderous too.
Maybe you need to re-read what you posted about Ikea then.

Let me refresh your memory.

Sorry, where did you imagine i slandered IKEA?

paddy147

galwayrush wrote: »

Sorry, where did you imagine i slandered IKEA?

Read what you posted again about Ikea,their products and their workers,and then look up the term slander and what it means.


I,ll leave you to it now.
Have a nice evening.

Regards.

galwayrush

paddy147 wrote: »

Read what you posted again,and then look up the term slander and what it means.

I know well what slander means, please tell me where you imagined i did it?

galwaydude18

paddy147 wrote: »

galwaydude18 wrote: »

Who is in total denial? I don't see anyone denying anything on here.

So you didnt slate Ikea or slander them then???

Because you did and have,yet you seem to deny this..

Re-read what you posted again.

galwaydude18 wrote: »

Ikea is cheap caus they don't care how long it takes until it falls apart.

They are cheap for a reason! How else do they make everything so cheaply. Their floating shelves are not solid all the way through! They are hollow inside! A custom made one will be solid the whole way through and be of a far superior quality!

You can't compare ikea with something built professionally and customised to suit the area in which it is being fitted!

Can you imagine turning up with flat pack ikea wardrobes to a clients house in cardboard and explaining to the client if they are there that it's ok you paid for a custom built wardrobe but I bought you ikea and will make it look custom?!!

It wouldn't work and they would or should rightly show that carpenter the door! It's not the same quality

galwayrush

paddy147 wrote: »

Read what you posted again about Ikea,their products and their workers,and then look up the term slander and what it means.


I,ll leave you to it now.
Have a nice evening.

Regards.

You can't show me , can you?
Perhaps someone with a better understanding of the English language could show me where i slandered IKEA.

paddy147

My full and humble appoligies to "Galwayrush" on this matter.

He did not slander Ikea.

It was "Galwaydude18" who slandered and slated,Ikea,their products and their workers (post 15).

galwaydude18 wrote: »

And there ya go mass production throwing out thousands of them everyday and the the end result is something far less nice to look at compared to custom wardrobes that have fillers etc. that make it look part of the wall rather than ikea ones leaving gaps everywhere around them!



Ikea is cheap caus they don't care how long it takes until it falls apart. I mean would you buy your stairs from there or get a proper made one that will be made to suit site condutions where your joinery will actually care about there craft where the ikea assembly people havnt spent thousands of hours perfecting their trade and skill don't care once it's gone past their station?

I got mixed up with the 2 "Galway" member names.

Appoligies again to Galwayrush.

galwayrush

Peace..

paddy147

galwayrush wrote: »

Peace..

Fair is fair,I was wrong and got things mixed up,so my appoligies to you.:)


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1chippy

havent posted in woodcraft for a while smiling at all the comments here and just had to throw my bit in.
Ikea liking searching for gold: youll go through a lot of **** to find a nugget.
its cheap and cheerful, their kitchens arent always the easiest fitted but mainly due to the fact the ejit selling it hasnt got an idea how the fitter puts it together or whether they have to make numerous call backs to fit pieces that didnt arrive in the first delivery.
Cash and carry are grand. ok quality and usually a more informed sales rep. little things like grain direction and returns are my only usual quibble.
kitchen and wardrobe workshops tend to put in that little bit extra that give a more overall pleasing look when finished.
Bespoke once off furniture. This where you get your quality. something that is made precisely to fit into a set area, taking in all aspects of the surrounding area making sure that there is a balnce with everything around. designed and built without limitations such as door size shelving layout or whether you want a row of adjustable shelves the whole way or not. will ikea allow for a buddha statue or some other random object stuck in some obscure part of the unit. The only limitation is the designers imagination.

Now to cut through all the last option is by far the superior, however also the most costly. there is a serious amount of machines and tooling needed and setup times and machining off standard pieces will always incurr high costs but usually similar levels of satisfaction in both the customer and tradesman.

The earlier options can look well and often do. but to anyone who knows what real bespoke items are these just dont come into comparison. Nobody is charging massive money anymore, some people just dont have the comprehension or apreciation to value true craftsmanship.

ive worked with allforms and find that they all have a place in the market, its just that everyone looks for different things in a piece of furniture, some pure functionality (whether that be only for a short period) some pure design and some going into the exact detail of how every part is put together, so that your constantly question how it was made.

now sorry for the long post but i can see how everyone is getting jibbed by all the different comments and would ra ther see a balance,.
However this N that, i really do believe you are either completly misinformed to the price of materials or time it takes to make a proper wardrobe or you should just stick to doing this and that.

Robbie71

"However this N that, ............ you should just stick to doing this and that. "

Ouch ,
Let that be a warning to everybody,
Dont make 1chippy write a "post" , you would'nt like him if he has to "post"

thisNthat

1chippy wrote: »

However this N that, i really do believe you are either completly misinformed to the price of materials or time it takes to make a proper wardrobe or you should just stick to doing this and that.

That showed me :rolleyes:

At least galwaydude18, woodturner and galwayrush made valid arguments which have convinvced me differently but your just waffling :cool: ZZZZzzzzzzzz

I'd say ya wouldn't know which end of the hammer to use

galwaydude18

thisNthat wrote: »

1chippy wrote: »

However this N that, i really do believe you are either completly misinformed to the price of materials or time it takes to make a proper wardrobe or you should just stick to doing this and that.

That showed me :rolleyes:

At least galwaydude18, woodturner and galwayrush made valid arguments which have convinvced me differently but your just waffling :cool: ZZZZzzzzzzzz

I'd say ya wouldn't know which end of the hammer to use

Well thisNthat are you coming back on to let us now how you can do it for half the price we were saying? Been waiting a long time for your answer. :-(

BostGalway

Ikea is all over the Europe and still people are choosing professional companies to do the jobs and it's not only about the wardrobes but loads of products U can get there. The truth is that if U all will choose Ikea or similar U will get a cheap quality product which is only pretending a fitted wardrobe, custom made bedroom etc. and kill local brands selling proper products. Mass production is killing real professionals with a years of experience- yes they are more expensive as they are not selling 100 items a day- their products has to be good quality and the job has to be done perfect as they wont survive a day on the market. Big shops doesn't care about all of these details and they are paying funny money for their products- it has to be loads and cheap and that's what U getting for your money- U save? No! U still paying much more money for these products than it is worth. They making much more more by selling cheap stuff than the proper professional for they products and job. So choice is yours cheat yourself and buy cheap stuff and "save" or do it as it suppose to be done and choose your local supplier as easy as that.

paddy147

Wow ...so if I buy something thats cheap,then Im cheating myself.And all because I didnt go to my local supplier...wow.

BostGalway

Oh and just easier way to explain this- it's like buying chines BMW- it's only pretending original car.

paddy147

Your nose seems to be put out of joint with regards people buying from bigger shops and companies.I wonder why???

Thats a persons own choice to do so,and comming on here and dictating to us (with your all of 2 posts so far),that we are cheating ourselves is not right either.
Who exactly are you to tell people what to do and what they are doing??