Wolves Sack McCarthy

Nuttzz

Breaking on Sky Sports news that Wolves have sacked Mick McCarthy.

I think he had hit the end of the road with Wolves, would still be a good championship manager though

I suppose that clears the way for him to be next England manager.

death1234567

Yeah probably had run his course, just like he had with ireland after the 2002 world cup

1mcampo1

From Wolves website

Mick McCarthy Departs
Posted on: Mon 13 Feb 2012

Wolves have today announced that manager, Mick McCarthy, has left the Club with immediate effect.

The Board took the difficult decision to terminate Mick's contract after a run of form which has seen Wolves pick up only 14 points in the last 22 League games, after a promising start to the season, culminating in yesterday's 5-1 defeat at home to West Bromwich Albion. Terry Connor will take charge of team training in the interim until a new manager is appointed.

bullpost

Thing is Wolves will probably always struggle to stay in the premiership anyway no matter who comes in.

born2bwild

bullpost wrote: »

Thing is Wolves will probably always struggle to stay in the premiership anyway no matter who comes in.

Roman Abramovich?

theteal

Thats been coming, poor fooker couldn't buy a win in the last while. The board must feel that a change up will spur on the players........ I'd have my doubts


Dang, i did not know they conceded 5 yesterday, it was at 2 the last time i checked!

Orando Broom

bullpost wrote: »

Thing is Wolves will probably always struggle to stay in the premiership anyway no matter who comes in.

Having Mick McCarthy wouldn't help either. He is a very one geared manager.

cgpg5

Did well to keep them up last season they never had a great squad were always going to struggle can't see how they'll improve much..

JerryHandbag

Writing was on the wall after yesterdays trouncing. I'd say he'd love a crack at the Ireland job again in the future.

aperture_nuig

sad for Mick, I dont think he did much wrong.

Can't see them staying up now.

kfallon

Keane to take over?

Trying to think who is out of a job at the minute! Oh wait, Capello, load up, no wonder he resigned his England post, must have known this one was coming up!

Nuri Sahin

Curbishley and Bruce are bookies favourites for the Wolves job.

Giruilla

Stupid decision. Hope they get relegated now.

Orando Broom

cgpg5 wrote: »

Did well to keep them up last season they never had a great squad were always going to struggle can't see how they'll improve much..

To be fair he spent big enough considering. Doyle, Hunt Johnson are three off the top of my head that were not cheap by Wolves standards.

Look at his deployment of Doyle. FFS.

McCarthy is one of these managers with no imagination. He sees a tactic used elsewhere, in Doyle's case it was Kuyt at Liverpool by Benitiez and McCarthy just runs with that. Mick McCarthy has ruined Kevin Doyle.

If he ever came back to Ireland I'd start supporting the North!

SantryRed

They've been rubbish all season to be fair. I've never watched a Wolves game and thought they deserved anything. His tactics need to be questioned too. I'll never forget earlIer on in the season when they played Swansea at home and allowed them to keep the ball as long as they wanted. It was suicide. I really think a new manager will lead to wolves finishing mid table.

recyclebin

I wonder would Leeds be interested in Mick? Matt Cooper was talking about it a few days ago before he was even sacked by wolves. Neil Warnock has also been mentioned for both wolves and leeds jobs

Dozen Wicked Words

Wolves are a "yoyo" club so to win the Championship then keep them in the top division for 2 seasons is an achievement. Good luck to Mick wherever he goes next, I am sure he will put in a good shift.

mike65

Something I never got was McCarthys blind spot regarding defenders and defending structures - he could sign a good striker or a winger but the back line has never looked secure under even modest pressure.

The Volt

Teams are often quick to forget who got them to where they are. He should have been given until the end of the season.

McGrath5

Feel a lot of symapthy for Mick. A very honest manager in his interviews.

Orando Broom

Perfect Choice wrote: »

Feel a lot of symapthy for Mick. A very honest manager in his interviews.

Now that schtick grew tiresome too. you wouldn't have to be as 'honest' if you were any good. Far too many times his 'honesty' was an admittance of failure, not good enough for a man in his position being paid a kings ransom.

ShamoBuc

No matter who they get in, they will still go down I reckon.

SantryRed

This thread is almost a carbon copy of the Di Matteo thread last year

ironbluedun

chris hughton?

Dozen Wicked Words

Orando Broom wrote: »

Now that schtick grew tiresome too. you wouldn't have to be as 'honest' if you were any good. Far too many times his 'honesty' was an admittance of failure, not good enough for a man in his position being paid a kings ransom.

I think thats harsh, would love to have seen virtually any other managers reaction to Lampards challenge against them and subsequent late winner the other week.

Obvious red card all day long, it would have been a great way to deflect from their defeat (and they were very unlucky to lose) but he didn't choose to use it.

Xavi6

Thanks for the memories

LuckyLloyd

Orando Broom wrote: »

To be fair he spent big enough considering. Doyle, Hunt Johnson are three off the top of my head that were not cheap by Wolves standards.

Look at his deployment of Doyle. FFS.

McCarthy is one of these managers with no imagination. He sees a tactic used elsewhere, in Doyle's case it was Kuyt at Liverpool by Benitiez and McCarthy just runs with that. Mick McCarthy has ruined Kevin Doyle.

If he ever came back to Ireland I'd start supporting the North!

Lots and lots of drool on your keyboard after this post I suspect.

McGrath5

Orando Broom wrote: »

Now that schtick grew tiresome too. you wouldn't have to be as 'honest' if you were any good. Far too many times his 'honesty' was an admittance of failure, not good enough for a man in his position being paid a kings ransom.

Totally unfair on him.

LuckyLloyd

Dude did a decent job (as he always has), and leaves the squad with a decent shot of avoiding the drop. What is the ceiling for a club like Wolves? In my opinion, given their salary spend, McCarthy has achieved an appropriate amount during his time there.

I personally think that letting him go hurts their chances of staying up.

He never hid from bad results and the next Championship side to take a shot on him will benefit from his abilities.

CSF

Don't agree with this. You can't go sacking a manager every time you hit a rough patch. McCarthy deserved time to turn performances around.

I reckon the board took the easy way out by sacking him after such a result.

DebDynamite

Xavi6 wrote: »

Thanks for the memories

:pac:

dsmythy

Hoping for a Sunderland style revival under a new manager.

That_Guy

Went from 11/1 to 3/1 to become next Leeds manager in the space of 30 minutes.

Pighead

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Dude did a decent job (as he always has), and leaves the squad with a decent shot of avoiding the drop. What is the ceiling for a club like Wolves? In my opinion, given their salary spend, McCarthy has achieved an appropriate amount during his time there.

Agreed that he has done a decent job up until this point but there's no denying he's having a terrible time of it this season. Admittedly the salary and transfer spend hasn't been much but I'd argue that it has been on a par if not better than clubs like Stoke, Fulham, Norwich, Sunderland, Swansea and Everton. All clubs that will comfortably avoid relegation this season.

McCarthy seems to constantly flirt with relegation. Still relatively young though so no doubt he'll bounce back, do well at a championship club and hopefully come back stronger for his next stint in the Premier League.

noodler

Orando Broom wrote: »

To be fair he spent big enough considering. Doyle, Hunt Johnson are three off the top of my head that were not cheap by Wolves standards.

Look at his deployment of Doyle. FFS.

McCarthy is one of these managers with no imagination. He sees a tactic used elsewhere, in Doyle's case it was Kuyt at Liverpool by Benitiez and McCarthy just runs with that. Mick McCarthy has ruined Kevin Doyle.

If he ever came back to Ireland I'd start supporting the North!

Christ there is a fair bit of silliness contained in those points but let me stick to his transfer spend.

After they won the Championship in 2009 they have had 3 seasons in the EPL:

2009/2010 (Doyle 6.5m)
2010/2011 (Hunt 3m)
2011/2012 (Johnson 7m)

Now if he had purchased all three in one season then fair enough but I hardly think those transfer fees are exorbitante over the course of three EPL seasons which is supposed to be worth at least 20m to the club each year.

Sasquatch76

Sad, but inevitable really... He'll get another post soon enough however.

And we'll always have this;

LuckyLloyd

That_Guy wrote: »

Went from 11/1 to 3/1 to become next Leeds manager in the space of 30 minutes.

Possibly should take a break - a lot of himself invested for Wolves the past few years.

LuckyLloyd

Pighead wrote: »

Agreed that he has done a decent job up until this point but there's no denying he's having a terrible time of it this season. Admittedly the salary and transfer spend hasn't been much but I'd argue that it has been on a par if not better than clubs like Stoke, Fulham, Norwich, Sunderland, Swansea and Everton. All clubs that will comfortably avoid relegation this season.

McCarthy seems to constantly flirt with relegation. Still relatively young though so no doubt he'll bounce back, do well at a championship club and hopefully come back stronger for his next stint in the Premier League.

Norwich and Swansea are achieving extraordinary things no doubt. But I would be shocked if Wolves are spending more money on wages than the other clubs bolded.

CSF

So do you go sacking Lambert and Rodgers if Norwich and Swansea struggle next year?

LuckyLloyd

CSF wrote: »

So do you go sacking Lambert and Rodgers if Norwich and Swansea struggle next year?

Oh they would be under pressure because of reasoning that goes 'doesn't matter what they did in the past, having an awful time of it this year'. Perspective and long term thinking doesn't exist in modern football.

token101

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

Curbishley and Bruce are bookies favourites for the Wolves job.

Ah yeah but Benitez is 10/1 FFS!

Curbishley said before he wouldn't leave London for any job if I remember right. Bruce would be a dire choice, you might as well start preparing for relegation. Solksjaer would be a great choice if he'd go.

Pighead

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Norwich and Swansea are achieving extraordinary things no doubt. But I would be shocked if Wolves are spending more money on wages than the other clubs bolded.

Fair point. I have no idea where Wolves rank in the salary stakes to be honest. With regards to transfer spend though, I'm pretty sure they rank pretty highly since McCarthy took over.

The_Kew_Tour

I read somewhere that Wolves were 15th highest spending team in world last season.. Think it was in World Soccer magazine where seen this.

Laika1986

I think Wolves would have struggled to stay up regardless of sacking Mccarthy, actually Alan Curbishley has said hes interested they might get top 4!

dsmythy

CSF wrote: »

So do you go sacking Lambert and Rodgers if Norwich and Swansea struggle next year?

See where they finish this season first. Wolves never finished higher than 15th under Mick.

CSF

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

CSF wrote: »

So do you go sacking Lambert and Rodgers if Norwich and Swansea struggle next year?

Oh they would be under pressure because of reasoning that goes 'doesn't matter what they did in the past, having an awful time of it this year'. Perspective and long term thinking doesn't exist in modern football.

Really is disgraceful stuff. And all you're going to do is replace him with another manager who was sacked for having a bad season somewhere else.

mike65

What's Brian Kerr doing?

Beefy78

CSF wrote: »

So do you go sacking Lambert and Rodgers if Norwich and Swansea struggle next year?

I don't think it's about Wolves currently struggling it's about what it most likely to result in them getting enough points in the rest of the season to keep them in the Premier League. I do agree that managers shouldn't be punished with the sack and generally I think that if you've got a good manager you should stick with him rather than take a gamble on the managerial roulette wheel but Wolves are in a nosedive at the minute and I don't think McCarthy was going to get them out of it.

You only have to look at the club who stuffed Wolves yesterday to see a clear example of how a timely but possibly ungrateful sacking can be justified.

karma_

Orando Broom wrote: »

Now that schtick grew tiresome too. you wouldn't have to be as 'honest' if you were any good. Far too many times his 'honesty' was an admittance of failure, not good enough for a man in his position being paid a kings ransom.

I know something else that's tiresome....

CSF

Beefy78 wrote: »

CSF wrote: »

So do you go sacking Lambert and Rodgers if Norwich and Swansea struggle next year?

I don't think it's about Wolves currently struggling it's about what it most likely to result in them getting enough points in the rest of the season to keep them in the Premier League. I do agree that managers shouldn't be punished with the sack and generally I think that if you've got a good manager you should stick with him rather than take a gamble on the managerial roulette wheel but Wolves are in a nosedive at the minute and I don't think McCarthy was going to get them out of it.

You only have to look at the club who stuffed Wolves yesterday to see a clear example of how a timely but possibly ungrateful sacking can be justified.

And go down to League One and clubs who have had to come back from League One to find what actually happens more often than not when a relatively small club sacks the man who was keeping them afloat

Beefy78

CSF wrote: »

And go down to League One and clubs who have had to come back from League One to find what actually happens more often than not when a relatively small club sacks the man who was keeping them afloat

Mick McCarthy did a decent job at Wolves but he's no Alan Curbishley if that's the obvious comparison you're going for. Charlton were a stable mid-table Club with half a dozen Premier League years under their belts when their fans were demanding more. If Wolves hadn't picked up the (very good) habit of getting wins against the big sides they'd have gone down last year and been dead and buried this. Their set up and tactics against the teams towards the bottom have been abysmal.