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defending against 'skilled MMA assailants'

  • 11-02-2012 5:12pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭


    well thankfully somebody is finally addressing the very common scenario of trained mma fighters attacking people. and it takes me about 3yrs of 4-5 times a week to train somebody up for their first amateur fight...yes these 12 classes will have you ready to take out a pro...free bottle of snail oil and bag of magic beans when you complete it too.
    We are launching a new advanced 12 week course Wednesday Feb 1

    This course is aimed at building 'MMA' style skills to add to you repertoire, this
    course will also focusing on countering skilled MMA assailants, as with the rise
    of the UFC and dodgy poorly run MMA clubs, there seems to be a new breed
    of tough guys emerging with these skills


    This course will include:

    - Ground fighting as taught to me personally by the Gracies in LA
    - Thai boxing kicking and punching as taught to me in the Fairtek boxing camp in Thailand

    We will focus on develop punching, kicking and grappling skills. These skills
    are a core part of advanced Krav Maga, But I supplemented my KM training by training
    with the worlds top 'specialist'in these areas

    Building these skill will improve your overall Self Defence Capability and
    allow you deal with 'bad guys' who are MMA trained

    We will alsopractice using our unique approach to street self defence, so that you
    have the best of the both worlds, the street and survival focus of KM along
    with specialist expertise. Meaning you can prevail against a highly trained
    MMA 'bad guy'


    Key Tools we you will develop on this course include

    - Strong core 'street' boxing skills - how to use Jabs, cross, uppercuts and hooks on the street
    - Crazy Monkey Defence , (I pioneered this in KM training over 8 years and and was abused for it, now it is
    used all over the world, and showing up in professional MMA matches )
    - 'Shovel' Hook, a devastating hook punch that is massively effective in the street
    - 'Tree Chopper' Shin Kick, this is kick I learned in Thailand, guaranteed to drop anyone
    - 'Barn Door' kick, my contribution to the the kicking game, which has featured in books by best selling author John Connolly
    - "Take Down Trilogy," I will teach the best 3 ways to take some down if necessary
    - 'Monster Tamers' The 2 chokes that you can use to 'tame' anyone
    - Submission Holds, How to immobilise and make and attacker surrender, include the 8 second 'Sleeper'

    We will also include light sparring

    This course runs just once a year, its starts Feb 15 and will run for 12 Weeks.
    The course fee is 195

    i wont bother mentioning who's running it, most of you can guess im sure.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 arte suave


    The saddest thing about this is that this joker will probably fill this class with unsuspecting people who don't know any better. By the end of the course he will brain wash half of them into thinking he is the second coming of Mr Miyagi and the other half will realise the course is bull **** and think all MMA gyms are pushing the same crap and never go to train in a real gym. Either way guys like this are hurting the sport. If ever a dojo storm was needed I think it's now. Somebody needs to put this guy and his 'Monster Tamers' to the test.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Dermighty


    well thankfully somebody is finally addressing the very common scenario of trained mma fighters attacking people. and it takes me about 3yrs of 4-5 times a week to train somebody up for their first amateur fight...yes these 12 classes will have you ready to take out a pro...free bottle of snail oil and bag of magic beans when you complete it too.



    i wont bother mentioning who's running it, most of you can guess im sure.


    It looks like a load of bollocks.

    /thread


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Funny coincidence, I was just talking to someone about this incident just five minutes ago:

    Few years back I saw two guys get into a fight with another two guys out my way, one of the first pair was a major dealer in the neighborhood when i was a kid, real scumbag. His mate got to fighting with one of the other pair and he had obviously spent some time training MMA. Took the guy down handily, got mount and smacked the guy a few times before getting off him. When it kicked off again he got underhooks and moved the guy around like a ragdoll before catching him with a hook as he stepped out, floored the guy with it. I stopped watching after that cos the dealer fella had pulled a chain out and started swinging it and I didnt plan on being a witness :pac:

    I would never have thought that scummers are training MMA or martial arts but judging by the company this guy was in..it happens


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭SBG Ireland


    yeah i dont plan on becoming a scumbag dealer either so guess im good to go


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,056 ✭✭✭darced


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 381 ✭✭manga_10


    This add forgets to mention that they trained with steven seagal since they could walk, that they can kill a man with a single punch and also that they are black ops operatives who make seagal's characters in films look tame :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭yomchi


    And in the small print...

    We will also include light sparring


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭SBG Ireland


    prays on almost every mans adolescent fantasy of beating up the jock in front of his girl
    let me shatter that for you
    first of all she doesnt care, if you love her thats enough
    unless you devote yourself to combat sports its not going to be real
    after the fact it becomes real you wont need it anymore
    she really doesnt care
    do whatever sport/activity makes you smile
    thats about it
    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    - Strong core 'street' boxing skills - how to use Jabs, cross, uppercuts and hooks on the street
    - Crazy Monkey Defence , (I pioneered this in KM training over 8 years and and was abused for it, now it is
    used all over the world, and showing up in professional MMA matches )
    - 'Shovel' Hook, a devastating hook punch that is massively effective in the street
    - 'Tree Chopper' Shin Kick, this is kick I learned in Thailand, guaranteed to drop anyone
    - 'Barn Door' kick, my contribution to the the kicking game, which has featured in books by best selling author John Connolly
    - "Take Down Trilogy," I will teach the best 3 ways to take some down if necessary
    - 'Monster Tamers' The 2 chokes that you can use to 'tame' anyone
    - Submission Holds, How to immobilise and make and attacker surrender, include the 8 second 'Sleeper'
    If you're going to fight an unknown on the street, ensure you have a gun, as they may have more than fists. The above will be useful in a drunken brawl after the nightclub, if you're sober*, and remember all the moves, but other than that, the person organising this will probably get people badly hurt or even killed.

    *it ain't a drunken brawl if you're sober, it's a premeditated assault.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭tysonslovechild


    whos advert is this?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭theboxingclinic


    wowzers!! this guys is amazing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭SBG Ireland




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭SBG Ireland




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Niall0


    John your always trying to give people your STDs :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 427 ✭✭Plastikman_eire


    Typical, too little too late. Where was this training when it was needed?

    Two guys assaulted by cage fighters


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭paulmclaughlin


    Typical, too little too late. Where was this training when it was needed?

    Two guys assaulted by cage fighters

    Wow, where to start? Two thugs attack 2 people they believe to be women but turn out to be cross-dressing cage fighters? And both thugs got charged over this and you want to give them training?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp



    Seriously, do a series of these John-Comedy gold.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭yomchi


    cowzerp wrote: »
    Seriously, do a series of these John-Comedy gold.

    It's sooo obvious you have one of them angled floors and enlarged ornaments to make you look bigger :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    Was this advertised in Ireland or is it that crowd The Self Defense Company?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 shinobi academy


    8 second sleeper......needs to work on his squeez, but they keep that for getting the money out of you for the courses!:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 165 ✭✭MMAIRELANDFAN


    Just get to your closest Kyokushin Karate club to learn how to defend against MMA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭pablohoney87


    Just get to your closest Kyokushin Karate club to learn how to defend against MMA.
    i give the same odds to that working as i do to this situation happening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    There goes my weekend then. I was planning on heading out, taking a few elderly folks down for a bit of GNP before trying a flying armbar on an unsuspecting tourist... the tourists ALWAYS tap.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭The Bored One


    Anyone got a link for the site the original ad is from? I'd love to read some more of their advertising, I could do with a good laugh :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Anyone got a link for the site the original ad is from? I'd love to read some more of their advertising, I could do with a good laugh :D

    I'd love it too :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭SBG Ireland




  • Posts: 3,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The full course fee 395 which covers 18 hours of training over 12 weeks or
    2 full days from 9:30-5:30

    WTF. Whoever pays that for this training deserves to be parted from their money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭themandan6611


    just signed up, anyone else doing this ?




















    :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Niall Keane


    There is a kung fu tradition of "kick school", basically one strolls along to a school that purports to be teaching fighting and try out against the "master", traditionally if you win you get the students. Dont think that will happen, but if I was MMA, or if someone made this claim about Sanda fighters, well I think I would "drop down" for a lesson. Maybe we should all pool in to send a pro-MMA fighter along to the course? maybe 2 lads, one to film the encounter?
    never mind pro though, to make it fair test of arts, send a lad with 12 weeks MMA training under his belt, someone with the usual "sport" training of 4-5 days a week minimum heavy sparring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭Chris89


    There is a kung fu tradition of "kick school", basically one strolls along to a school that purports to be teaching fighting and try out against the "master", traditionally if you win you get the students. Dont think that will happen, but if I was MMA, or if someone made this claim about Sanda fighters, well I think I would "drop down" for a lesson. Maybe we should all pool in to send a pro-MMA fighter along to the course? maybe 2 lads, one to film the encounter?
    never mind pro though, to make it fair test of arts, send a lad with 12 weeks MMA training under his belt, someone with the usual "sport" training of 4-5 days a week minimum heavy sparring.

    Or maybe the guy who says he can teach you how to fight off a skilled MMA opponent actually fights one himself. I'll chip in for that anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Ridiculous Lee Handsome


    If people are chipping in then I'll put my name forward as the surprise guest. That would be great fun.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭creeper1


    If people are chipping in then I'll put my name forward as the surprise guest. That would be great fun.

    Well I can tell you what excuse he'll use if he meets any skilled mma fighters willing to challenge him. It will go along the lines of this -

    Master/Guru - "MMA athletes follow rules. Those rules started out as minimal but have grown quite a bit. Look - I am a street fighter. I deal with MMA athletes by not following the rules. Don't expect me not to bite, attack the eyes or kick you in the balls. In fact, if you watch my first technique I will detail how MMA is a mere sport and, in real life, fighers don't wear groin protection. I use that to my advantage and knee the two assailants in the balls."

    MMA Challenger - " I figure you'd say that. However just for you I am willing to drop the rules and we can go toe to toe no rules."

    Master/Guru - " I don't want you (or me) going to hospital. Look real fighting is just too dangerous and we can't be at that. In my second series I get my car keys between my knuckles and punch the assailants. Do you know how much damage that would do? Besides I am talking about dealing with MMA fighters when they are on a night out and drunk and trying to start something. In a situation like that you can anticipate what is going to happen and put your hand in the pocket remove keys...... blah, blah, blah."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭yomchi


    creeper1 wrote: »
    Well I can tell you what excuse he'll use if he meets any skilled mma fighters willing to challenge him. It will go along the lines of this -

    Master/Guru - "MMA athletes follow rules. Those rules started out as minimal but have grown quite a bit. Look - I am a street fighter. I deal with MMA athletes by not following the rules. Don't expect me not to bite, attack the eyes or kick you in the balls. In fact, if you watch my first technique I will detail how MMA is a mere sport and, in real life, fighers don't wear groin protection. I use that to my advantage and knee the two assailants in the balls."

    MMA Challenger - " I figure you'd say that. However just for you I am willing to drop the rules and we can go toe to toe no rules."

    Master/Guru - " I don't want you (or me) going to hospital. Look real fighting is just too dangerous and we can't be at that. In my second series I get my car keys between my knuckles and punch the assailants. Do you know how much damage that would do? Besides I am talking about dealing with MMA fighters when they are on a night out and drunk and trying to start something. In a situation like that you can anticipate what is going to happen and put your hand in the pocket remove keys...... blah, blah, blah."

    You actually acted that out in your head didn't you? :D;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    You actually acted that out in your head didn't you?

    I was thinking that myself, bit of a John Dorian monologue going on there! Probably quite accurate too!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭yomchi


    RoboRat wrote: »
    I was thinking that myself, bit of a John Dorian monologue going on there! Probably quite accurate too!

    I heard the cat legged it and dog went hiding as pillows were getting the sh1t bate out of them :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭First Aid Ireland


    double post


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭First Aid Ireland


    Key Tools we you will develop on this course include

    - Strong core 'street' boxing skills - how to use Jabs, cross, uppercuts and hooks on the street
    - Crazy Monkey Defence , (I pioneered this in KM training over 8 years and and was abused for it, now it is
    used all over the world, and showing up in professional MMA matches )
    - 'Shovel' Hook, a devastating hook punch that is massively effective in the street
    - 'Tree Chopper' Shin Kick, this is kick I learned in Thailand, guaranteed to drop anyone
    - 'Barn Door' kick, my contribution to the the kicking game, which has featured in books by best selling author John Connolly
    - "Take Down Trilogy," I will teach the best 3 ways to take some down if necessary
    - 'Monster Tamers' The 2 chokes that you can use to 'tame' anyone
    - Submission Holds, How to immobilise and make and attacker surrender, include the 8 second 'Sleeper'

    :D

    Some colourful descriptions there and some interesting claims and guarantees. Wonder if he's tested those claims.

    Can anyone who's involved with "professional MMA matches" tell me what the "crazy monkey defence" is???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭Jason McCabe


    It is a well known fact that MMA fighters cannot kick people on the ball sack or bite

    This is why they gravitated towards MMA. In reality they are sissies with tattoos, hoodies and no ball control


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    It is a well known fact that MMA fighters cannot kick people on the ball sack or bite

    ORLY...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Ridiculous Lee Handsome


    Key Tools we you will develop on this course include

    - Strong core 'street' boxing skills - how to use Jabs, cross, uppercuts and hooks on the street
    - Crazy Monkey Defence , (I pioneered this in KM training over 8 years and and was abused for it, now it is
    used all over the world, and showing up in professional MMA matches )

    Crazy Monkey Defence was promoted by Rodney King (not that one) a lot longer than eight years ago. It was used by people would didn't know how to box to get into clinch range with a boxer. In modern MMA it has more or less been replaced by, you know, knowing how to box.

    - 'Shovel' Hook, a devastating hook punch that is massively effective in the street

    Probably an overhand right, at a guess. Just another punch, there are no magic punches.


    - 'Tree Chopper' Shin Kick, this is kick I everyone who has ever done Thai boxing learned in Thailand in any good Thai boxing gym, guaranteed to drop to be quite painful to anyone most people if you are good at it and have been practising for years.

    - 'Barn Door' kick, my contribution to the the kicking game, which has featured in books by best selling author John Connolly

    Front kick?

    - "Take Down Trilogy," I will teach the best 3 ways to take some down if necessary

    Unless they know how to wrestle and have spend years defending your three basic wrestling techniques, obviously.

    - 'Monster Tamers' The 2 chokes that you can use to 'tame' anyone
    - Submission Holds, How to immobilise and make and attacker surrender, include the 8 second 'Sleeper'

    Guillotine and rear naked I would imagine. Even in MMA these days they are less common than ten years ago, because literally everyone knows how to defend them.



    I've made some changes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭yomchi


    I think people should stop taking the p1ss, it has been known for sometime that it doesn't take much to put a skilled MMA or any fighter on their back quite easily.







































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    Course fee: €1000


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭Barry.Oglesby


    The "Shovel" hook is essentially a bodyshot with a more upward angle that every boxer in the world knows. You use it in tight to the low ribs or the liver (LIVER SHOT!).

    And this is why this is bollocks, in a nutshell. If jab and cross are the ABCs to a beginner, then a shovel hook is conjugating Latin verbs while riding on a unicycle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    The "Shovel" hook is essentially a bodyshot with a more upward angle that every boxer in the world knows. You use it in tight to the low ribs or the liver (LIVER SHOT!).

    Yep, that's what I was thought it was too. Jesus anyone who has trained in boxing or MT knows how to do a liver punch and more importantly, how to hold an effective guard against it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    RoboRat wrote: »
    Yep, that's what I was thought it was too. Jesus anyone who has trained in boxing or MT knows how to do a liver punch and more importantly, how to hold an effective guard against it.

    Thing is it takes lots of practise to get good at this and no quick course is going to do the trick, even if been taught by Freddie Roach.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    yomchi wrote: »
    I think people should stop taking the p1ss, it has been known for sometime that it doesn't take much to put a skilled MMA or any fighter on their back quite easily.







































    glock_hand_gun.gif

    Course fee: €1000

    Hope you're not suggesting that people should carry guns :eek:. *moral outrage*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    Thing is it takes lots of practise to get good at this and no quick course is going to do the trick, even if been taught by Freddie Roach.

    Unless of course you are taught by a Krav Maga master... he can also teach you fluent Arabic whilst showing you how to execute a perfect helicopter kick in under 10 mins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭creeper1


    I reread the advertisement and it seems even worse than I suggested.

    There is talk of Thai boxing techniques and take downs.

    That is basically trying to beat an MMA artist at their own game. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    I'd be super shocked to hear that a Krav maga group where trying to teach stuff they don't know or stuff that will get people in trouble :eek:

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,660 ✭✭✭SDTimeout


    I'll contribute 50 euro to the MMA guy who challenges him , assuming it is recorded.


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