why all the diesel hate ?

fanadman1

from my experence on boards alot of the people on seem to hate the thought of modifying diesel cars
can i ask why this is from what i can see around town diesels seem to be the way to go 3/4 cars are diesel now

FearDark

It's probably because most modified diesels tend to be felt spec which in my opinion look absolutely terrible.

fanadman1

FearDark wrote: »

It's probably because most modified diesels tend to be felt spec which in my opinion look absolutely terrible.

please explain the felt spec :L im a bit of a newbie :L is it the flushed bumpers and straight threw exausts,tints,lowered and all the rest ?

FearDark

fanadman1 wrote: »

please explain the felt spec :L im a bit of a newbie :L is it the flushed bumpers and straight threw exausts,tints,lowered and all the rest ?

Mostly VW's, Audi's with big oversized rims 18" or 19", usually with "RS4" or "GTI" badges, big yellow numberplates, huge sun visors, possibly de-badged, lowered too much, laughable stickers such as "no smoke no poke". Most likely the reg plate is DL!

Buckets of dirt.

yourpics

fanadman1 wrote: »

please explain the felt spec :L im a bit of a newbie :L is it the flushed bumpers and straight threw exausts,tints,lowered and all the rest ?

From octane.ie

Felt spec is said to have originated in and is named after the town Magherafelt in county Derry,Ireland,if you click on the Magherafelt wiki page you will see a 'felt spec golf in the town centre picture - brilliant!

'Felt spec is the art of badly modifying a VAG diesel car.

THE CARS OF FELT
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the most popular being Audi A4,VW Bora or passat and Seat toledo.It is not quite clear why the 'original 'felt spec'ers choose these cars to start with but it is probably down to the world beating performance of the TDI lump,lets examine some of the positives the 'felt spec'ers might have found appealing

- So much torque that the word torque was actually invented to describe this engine.

- Tow bar friendly,an essential 'felt spec accessory as most 'felters are farmers by day

- The ultimate Q car.

- Sits 4 farmers comfortably,or a family of 5 en route to GAA match,rally event or truck or bike show

- As we have found out this year neither the big freeze nor the big floods (i.e the lord himself) could stop this engine.

- large rear windscreen for macra na feirme sticker and local GAA club membership sticker,or that 3 ft by 3 ft VW/Audi decal just in case we were unaware.

- Le mans winning technology involved in the R&D of the mighty in 4 cyl lump.

- A simple re-map will make the car eligible for the BTCC

In the interest of fairness let's examine some of the negatives (yes i know even the great aren't perfect)

Probably the most imitated car on the road,you will no doubt see 10 other 'wanna be' TDI's with fake red badges on your daily commute.(but this will lend itself to a certain smugness factor knowing you are driving the real deal) Dual mass flywheels are an issue,but look at the torque figures! even mother earth gives tectonic plate trouble - you can't try and tap such power without consequences!

THE ART OF FELT
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So how does a novice identify a felt spec car you ask? well common 'felt spec attributes are as follows:

- over sized sun visors: the rule of 'felt states that the gap between the bottom of your sunvisor and the bottom of the windscreen should be equal to the distance between your wrist and your elbow.Some 'felters will also choose to incorporate a catchy slogan on their sun visor such as 'Drive her like yer late for mass' or 'driveher like its stolen'

- wind deflectors: wind deflectors are a must on a 'felt spec car.The rule of 'felt states "he who tries to smoke a fag while crusing with 320 ft lbs of torque under the bonnet will get burnt"

- Yellow rear reg plates: one of the most identifiable traits of a 'felt spec car even amongst their southern 'brothers in VAG',the most popular county for this is Donegal which believe it or not has more Yellow plates per head of population that London.

- Lowered suspension: The more affluent 'felter will splash out on coilovers,but everyone this side of cloughjordan knows thats just crazy,take the springs out and cut them.The rule of 'felt states "thou shall not be able to see the tops of your tyres"

-Mud Flaps: Originally thought to have been an essential modification due to the farm based lifestyle of the original 'felters but now the first purchase any aspiring 'feltee should make,ditch the factroy flaps and and add scania flaps,the rule of 'felt states "Your flaps should be at all times in contact with the ground and that your tyres should last longer than your mudflaps)

-The 18" replica wheel:This is what sets the 'felter apart from the crowd,the choice of wheel is crucial in determining your status on the 'felt ladder of whack-ness,the popular choices have always been RS6 or A8 wheels (known amongst 'felters as an RS8 wheel,as apparently they are so close to the Audi inner circle that Audi let them see that holy grail of cars the Audi RS8 ). The more daring 'felt sec enthusiasts will fit a bolder wheel choice though and emerging favourites are new shape RS4 and S8 rims.Recently there has been a stunning development in the rim choice of 'felters with Merc rims appearing on VAG cars,this is a kin to Ian paisley attending an ulster final!

- The body kit: No one knows the name,some say it is a quattro kit,some say it is an Rs4 kit,whatever the name the bodykit is essential in a 'felters arsenal especially if they are driving an A4,the rule of 'felt states "thou bodykit shall be fibre glass,thou grilles should be chicken wire and one exhaust tip should always be fake and for show"

- Badge: The 'felter is only as big as his badge and the better the badge the bigger the micky,If you have an A4 you must stick on either an S4 badge,or an RS4 badge.The biggest offenders here are drivers of B6 A4's again here we see links between 'felt spec enthusiasts and the Audi inner circle as they and they alone were made aware of a B6 RS4.If you drive a golf then a GT badge is a must,there aint no party like a GT TDI party.



THE TALK OF FELT
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'Felters have their own language and to the outsider it can appear they are talking gobbledygook,here we go through some common 'felt spec phrases:
Lad - A person i.e you,usage: "That is some car lad" - The rule of 'felt states you should always try to finish a sentence with Lad

Lift- The application of Torque,said to arise from the way the arse of the car dips and the bonnet rises when the shoe is put it in,usage: "There is some lift out of her Lad"
Antichrist- A word use to describe a particularly fast 'felt spec machine,one which has been remapped,lowered and perhaps fitted with an induction kit,usage "There is some lift out of her lad,she's an Antichrist to go"

There you have it,i hope this article was able to answer all the questions you were always afraid to ask about 'felt spec and what is it.

fanadman1

FearDark wrote: »

Mostly VW's, Audi's with big oversized rims 18" or 19", usually with "RS4" or "GTI" badges, big yellow numberplates, huge sun visors, possibly de-badged, lowered too much, laughable stickers such as "no smoke no poke". Most likely the reg plate is DL!

Buckets of dirt.

so my car lowered 18'' rs4s 3 tinted back windows white and white plate btw !!! and dn't start like donegal is the only county who does it ! its a seat leon

yourpics

fanadman1 wrote: »

so my car lowered 18'' rs4s 3 tinted back windows white and white plate btw !!! and dn't start like donegal is the only county who does it ! its a seat leon

Wouldn't be into the lowering myself, doesn't suit the roads we have!
Alot of cars have factory tints and factory alloys, don't see the difference really!

yourpics

TDI is the future!

Better MPG's and nicer to drive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSUxqoOjmy0

from 2.12 onwards

fanadman1

yourpics wrote: »

Wouldn't be into the lowering myself, doesn't suit the roads we have!
Alot of cars have factory tints and factory alloys, don't see the difference really!

a i did not go to low just enought to change the looks im not a man for crawling around at 5mph because u are scared to burst your sump i like to send her on :P

fanadman1

yourpics wrote: »

TDI is the future!

Better MPG's and nicer to drive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSUxqoOjmy0

this is what i was thinkin. what petrol will your get to do 55-60 mpg ?

yourpics

fanadman1 wrote: »

this is what i was thinkin. what petrol will your get to do 55-60 mpg ?

Seems to be alot of hate on here for diesel, years ago I wouldn't look at a diesel, bought my first one and now I wouldn't look at a petrol!
What mpg do you get around town?

fanadman1

yourpics wrote: »

Seems to be alot of hate on here for diesel, years ago I wouldn't look at a diesel, bought my first one and now I wouldn't look at a petrol!
What mpg do you get around town?

55-60mpg and the same around back roads on a long run example from donegal to cavan 2 hours 15mins i seen 78 mpg the car is remaped so that is supposed to make them easyer run

FearDark

fanadman1 wrote: »

so my car lowered 18'' rs4s 3 tinted back windows white and white plate btw !!! and dn't start like donegal is the only county who does it ! its a seat leon

Felt spec alright...

Not my cup of tea.

fanadman1

FearDark wrote: »

Felt spec alright...

Not my cup of tea.

everyman to his own :L suppose now would not be the time to metion the straight threw with a serous booo :P

yourpics

Black roof aswell!

fanadman1

yourpics wrote: »

Black roof aswell!

no black roof yet :L not sure if it will suit the coulor of my car kinda a dark blue/purple

SV

Because they sound like shít.
They are horrible to drive as well. Short rev range shíte basically.


Anyone with a real interest in driving would have petrol over diesel every single time if petrol costs or insurance wasn't an issue.

CianRyan

Wouldn't be interested in tractors as I don't live on a farm.


Edit: My dad put it the best, he was in charge of renting the car on holidays a few years ago and didn't realise it was diesel. As soon as we left the car park, "What the **** is wrong with this thing? It sounds like it's about to keel over."
To be fair like, **** diesel.

fanadman1

SV wrote: »

Because they sound like shít.
They are horrible to drive as well. Short rev range shíte basically.


Anyone with a real interest in driving would have petrol over diesel every single time if petrol costs or insurance wasn't an issue.

well i get full turbo power from 1500rpm onwords to 6 if i want to rev that far my car can sit with a 1.6 vtec on a back road so i dn't see how there is anydiffernce? yes a unmaped diesel car is very dead ! i'll admit that but with a remap u have no problem with turbo lag !

Graham_B18C

TBH I don't have a problem with the cars but I do dislike the typical felt driver.

Every car that tries to race me is a VAG diesel, all the people with EG Civics a few years ago are driving Golfs now.

And I don't care if your car is mapped and goes cooo or booo, they aint that fast and they don't give power all the way between 1500-6000 RPM.

Armin_Tamzarian

Graham_B18C wrote: »

Every car that tries to race me is a VAG diesel, all the people with EG Civics a few years ago are driving Golfs now.

^^^This

I experience the same phenomeon.
It's like they've got some mental retardation that makes them think that 130BHP is a phenomenal amount of power.
Which it probably is, comapared to 90BHP.

EPM

fanadman1 wrote: »

well i get full turbo power from 1500rpm onwords to 6 if i want to rev that far

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Cobblers of the highest order. You do in your backside get that. Especially from a 1.9tdi. The new 2 litre CR's barely make 4.5k revs before they drop off to nothing. And they are the more petrol like ones.

sealgaire

yourpics wrote: »

Seems to be alot of hate on here for diesel, years ago I wouldn't look at a diesel, bought my first one and now I wouldn't look at a petrol!
What mpg do you get around town?

You won't get 60mpg out of a tdi either

Atomic Pineapple

Some guy in his Golf TDi tried to race me in the ST last Friday, same as Graham states above the only dicks that seem to try that these days are driving felt spec VAG cars. Same thing happened with a bloody Passat a few weeks ago :rolleyes:

lafors

Don't mind em OP my 1.6 TD red I gets power from about 1200 to redline and can beat any players vtec. And its gets 80mpg. She's on RS4 16s OEMs serious but I've her lowered til the flaps hit the ground.

Don't mind all the hating we felters know ya ballin'
Sure my buddy whos uncles brother works in nasa said that if the shuttle had a TDI it'd do 100mpg and be able to do 0-100 in 5.6s.

fanadman1

sealgaire wrote: »

You won't get 60mpg out of a tdi either

come and take and examine a remaped diesel can you dn't need to redline infact i rarely pass 2400 revs ! low revs low diesel costs simple !

fanadman1

Armin_Tamzarian wrote: »

^^^This

I experience the same phenomeon.
It's like they've got some mental retardation that makes them think that 130BHP is a phenomenal amount of power.
Which it probably is, comapared to 90BHP.

130s not an extream amount of power im not going to think it is ! i've never drove a 90 bhp car in my life so id not know wat that is like tbh :P

Armin_Tamzarian

fanadman1 wrote: »

130s not an extream amount of power im not going to think it is ! i've never drove a 90 bhp car in my life so id not know wat that is like tbh :P

Look, there's nothing wrong with diesel, I've had a few TDIs and I like them.
If I had to do alot of miles I'd probably get a VW or a BMW.
I would never buy a diesel though and consider it some sort of performance car.

Where it gets a bit daft is when people start putting stuff like daft RS bodykits on them, M5 badges, etc, etc.
You can make subtle mods that look good without putting all that crap on them, it makes them look ridiculous and really tacky.

fanadman1

Armin_Tamzarian wrote: »

Where it gets a bit daft is when people start putting stuff like daft RS bodykits on them, M5 badges, etc, etc..

this is something i do agree with the badges ! the m5 badge was designed to show something that is a cut above the rest ! it should not be put on a 520 or something of the like ! but this is just as bad with the petrol cars you see many a 318i with a m3 badge on it ! im not trying to argue the point that diesel is faster than petrol cause thats stupid im just wondering why everyone hates them so much !

tossy

I know i will probably regret this OP but what car do you have?

fanadman1

tossy wrote: »

I know i will probably regret this OP but what car do you have?

i drive a seat leon as i said earlyer

Nissan doctor

I don't think many boards members have a problem with diesel tuning....proper tuning that is.

Properly remapping cars on a dyno, vehicle specific tuning parts etc etc.

The problem lies in the 'mcdonalds car park' tuning, as I call it, ie, fitting straight through exhausts so you get 'some lift out of her' and a fake supposed dump valve noise, fitting generic 'chips' etc etc because all the lads do it so their cars can outrun anything!

Obviously people who do these mods think its cool to have an engine warning light on the dash too!:rolleyes:

Atomic Pineapple

fanadman1 wrote: »

im just wondering why everyone hates them so much !

No one hates them, what people hate is the people who think their diesel car is some sort of performance orientated car that can take on anything on the roads. In the same way that people used to hate all the chaps in 1.2 litre Saxo's with bodykits on them thinking they could take on M5's.

It's the same people they hate basically just in different cars these days.

Best example of this is the attention seeking was done by fitting a large exhaust back box to the small petrol engined cars whereas now its done by making the diesel make the "booooo" noise, both have nothing to do with power gains and are simply to look cool while "lapping" the town.

tossy

fanadman1 wrote: »

i drive a seat leon as i said earlyer

Sorry i missed that,which engine? i'm not up on my VAGs but i think there was more than one diesel engine available.

fanadman1

Nissan doctor wrote: »

I don't think many boards members have a problem with diesel tuning....proper tuning that is.

Properly remapping cars on a dyno, vehicle specific tuning parts etc etc.

The problem lies in the 'mcdonalds car park' tuning, as I call it, ie, fitting straight through exhausts so you get 'some lift out of her' and a fake supposed dump valve noise, fitting generic 'chips' etc etc because all the lads do it so their cars can outrun anything!

Obviously people who do these mods think its cool to have an engine warning light on the dash too!:rolleyes:

i have the straight threw exhaust :P but i dn't have it cause i get 'some lift out of her'i know im going to get eatin alive for this but i like that boo noise :L mabey its from my farming back ground :L my car was remaped on the dyno and could possibly be geting an intercooler i do not like the generic chips cause imo i think they cn't be good for the car when the car was remaped the fly-wheel was changed from a floating to a solid. this was under advice from a mechaic friend of mine not cause i know it shouold be done myself

fanadman1

tossy wrote: »

Sorry i missed that,which engine? i'm not up on my VAGs but i think there was more than one diesel engine available.

1.9tdi i drive a felt spec car no point in hideing it :L

tossy

fanadman1 wrote: »

1.9tdi i drive a felt spec car no point in hideing it :L

Again as i say not really up on the whole VAG scene but wasn't there different BHP engines? A quick google tells me there was.what one is yours? and what BHP is it now ?

fanadman1

tossy wrote: »

Again as i say not really up on the whole VAG scene but wasn't there different BHP engines? A quick google tells me there was.what one is yours? and what BHP is it now ?

aw sorry it was 110bhp and has been remaped to 140

Armin_Tamzarian

fanadman1 wrote: »

1.9tdi i drive a felt spec car no point in hideing it :L

Admitting you have a problem is the first step on the road to recovery.

fanadman1

Armin_Tamzarian wrote: »

Admitting you have a problem is the first step on the road to recovery.

haha :L personaly i don't feel its a problem cause i like the look of the car and that :L but i'll say this to anyone when i get to a place where i can afford to run/insure a petrol car for preformace i'll have one :L untill then i may stick with my we deasul :P

Bohrio

Armin_Tamzarian wrote: »

Look, there's nothing wrong with diesel, I've had a few TDIs and I like them.
If I had to do alot of miles I'd probably get a VW or a BMW.
I would never buy a diesel though and consider it some sort of performance car.

Where it gets a bit daft is when people start putting stuff like daft RS bodykits on them, M5 badges, etc, etc.
You can make subtle mods that look good without putting all that crap on them, it makes them look ridiculous and really tacky.

I dont know what you are taking about I think it looks lovely...



I dont particular like Diesels, I think they are a bit boring to drive and the sound is not the best, but this doesnt mean I wouldnt buy one as they are very practical cars and fast too, to me a diesel is more of an everyday car.

extreeme cheap plastic Kits, batches etc are wrong on most wanna be cars... both Petrol and Diesel... with a few exceptions

tossy

fanadman1 wrote: »

aw sorry it was 110bhp and has been remaped to 140

Woww no wonder you like to "send her on" i'd say you give the 1.6 vtec boys some headache! Don't listen to these lads here they don't have a bulls notion about cars!

Give me a TDI with a straight through over a a 1.6 Vtec anyday,i mean why go "Bzzzzzzzzzzzz" when you can go "Booooooooooo"

fanadman1

Bohrio wrote: »

I dont know what you are taking about I think it looks lovely...

that wing is more fast and the furious that felt is it not :P

fanadman1

tossy wrote: »

Woww no wonder you like to "send her on" i'd say you give the 1.6 vtec boys some headache! Don't listen to these lads here they don't have a bulls notion about cars!

Give me a TDI with a straight through over a a 1.6 Vtec anyday,i mean why go "Bzzzzzzzzzzzz" when you can go "Booooooooooo"

here it does not bother me wat is under the bonnet. I'll send on a 1litre corsa up till the speed limit if it can go that fast :P

tossy

Drive her like your late for mass!

Bohrio

fanadman1 wrote: »

that wing is more fast and the furious that felt is it not :P

lol ... fits like a glove here

BTW I dont think a car with RS4 rims and lowered suspesion can be included here... I saw a picture of your car and I think it looks brilliant. Perfect look, aggressive and not flashy... That's the type of mod I'd do to a car If I wanted to.

Its the extra bits that just dont look right, like the spolers here or the batch, etc... or an extra exhaust that's really not connected to the exhaust system, etc etc

fanadman1

tossy wrote: »

Drive her like your late for mass!

a im from a rural/farming back ground so that one got a chuckel :P

fanadman1

fanadman1 wrote: »

.................my car was remaped on the dyno and could possibly be geting an intercooler ...............

Surely it already has an intercooler.

fanadman1

RoverJames wrote: »

Surely it already has an intercooler.

a bigger front mounted one :L

fanadman1

Bohrio wrote: »

lol ... fits like a glove here

BTW I dont think a car with RS4 rims and lowered suspesion can be included here... I saw a picture of your car and I think it looks brilliant. Perfect look, aggressive and not flashy... That's the type of mod I'd do to a car If I wanted to.

Its the extra bits that just dont look right, like the spolers here or the batch, etc... or an extra exhaust that's really not connected to the exhaust system, etc etc

thanks alot there are some other little things that id like to do to it :L spot lights and hids :L going to make myself seem real felt here but mudflaps not for looks but i cn't keep it clean without them ! i would never think of puting on the big spoiler like that :L mabey small lips or things like that :L if u have twin pipes u need both pipes to be working :L i hate that one pipe rotten dirty and one pipe still shineing like the day it was fitted

JimmyCrackCorn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW3C1AYQLnI

Modified diesel as above interest me and iv wanted to fit a vnt turbo to a e85 powered petrol engine for a while now.

A 1.9tdi passat stanced and with distressed suspension not of interest. Making a car handle and perform worse across the board confuses me.