Incorrectly registered/VRT'd?

ION08

So I went to VRT my car last week...

It's an AUDI A4 1.9 TDI - SPORT 130BHP 04DR

I have a receipt here from the NCT centre where I registered it and the details match those above.

Out of curiosity, I decided to put my reg into Cartell to see if it had been updated.

Lo and behold: AUDI A4 - 90BHP 05DR

So 40BHP less, non-sport spec and apparantly an Estate/Hatchback with 5 doors :rolleyes:

Absolute Morons!! :mad: I presume its the monkeys down in Shannon Revenue who are to blame.

Then who can blame the chancers who intentionally incorrectly register their Glanzas as Starlets and Integras as non-vtec etc etc if those clowns in Shannon can't even do their jobs right. Its simple f%#'ing data entry for Gods sake :mad:

colm_mcm

What's on the logbook?


Does that mean you paid less VRT so?

ION08

colm_mcm wrote: »

What's on the logbook?

Didn't receive it yet! ..

Would I be right to presume it is going to be 90BHP 05DR on the log book aswell?

No I paid VRT for a 130BHP SPORT 04DR - as it says on the NCT Receipt

colm_mcm

I would assume so.

This obviously needs to be sorted for insurance purposes.

A lot of people wouldn't have copped that.

ION08

It's insured correctly as what it is so not really worried about that.

Its just the incompetence that annoys me and I just know that if I try ringing them tomorrow i'll be on the phone for half an hour trying to get it sorted IF they decide to answer their phones.

Idiots

ION08

ION08 wrote: »

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Absolute Morons!! :mad: I presume its the monkeys down in Shannon Revenue who are to blame.
.................... if those clowns in Shannon can't even do their jobs right. Its simple f%#'ing data entry for Gods sake :mad:

ION08 wrote: »

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Its just the incompetence that annoys me .............

lol, over reaction much

langdang

ION08 wrote: »

It's insured correctly as what it is so not really worried about that.

Its just the incompetence that annoys me and I just know that if I try ringing them tomorrow i'll be on the phone for half an hour trying to get it sorted IF they decide to answer their phones.

Idiots

Good luck with that!

de Ville

You're not alone, I have an A4 Avant which has the 115 bhp (AJM) engine, but on the pse.ie website it says 90 bhp, and the reg says 130bhp!

ION08

RoverJames wrote: »

lol, over reaction much

Not really, unfortunately I'm aware of the overly bureaucratic nature of rectifying simple clerical mistakes such as these in our efficient public sector.

Sure to hell with it - I might just take after the Glanza boys and insure it as a 90BHP 5 door family Estate :rolleyes:

It could always be a mistake on the Cartell systems though, so i'll wait till I get my log book!

Matt Simis

colm_mcm wrote: »

I would assume so.

This obviously needs to be sorted for insurance purposes.

No it doesnt as he will be telling them what it is when insuring it. Back when importing cars was Rad I would have insurance on UK Reg before getting VRT'd, meaning there clearly is no connection between "log book" and Insurance.

Lots and lots of cars are like this, minor typo that means nothing.

ION08

Matt Simis wrote: »

Lots and lots of cars are like this, minor typo that means nothing.

Its funny because a friend of mine always claimed he had a GT TDI Golf 130 and I never believed him as I cartell'd it and it came back as a 90BHP too.

These arent things that should be gotten wrong. What if theres a typo with the chassis number or engine number and a potential buyer then notices it doesn't match when it comes to selling the car on

antodeco

Happened me with my mini 1275gt. Well, was registered correctly but the motor tax people have it taxed as an Austin mini cooper

mathepac

OP, do you know how to decode the configuration label for the car? There are two, one stuck to the floor in the boot beside the wheel-well and the other is on the inside cover of the maintenance schedule booklet. I'm working from memory now but if the engine code is "ASZ" it's a 130bhp engine. If you search online there's an on-line decoder for the configuration / options labels for all VAG cars.

mathepac

http://igorweb.org/equidec/Default.aspx - here's one version courtesy of the TDIClub, this version was last updated in January 2012 so it's pretty up-to-date.

delly

My E46 coupe that I picked up recently is registered as a saloon from when it first came in from the UK. Its no big deal to me tbh and I don't intend doing anything about it.

Senna

The wife had a Golf a good few years back, log book description was golf 1.4CL, then engine size was 1600cc. The car was a 1.6, i said to the tax office about changing it and they said i needed to take it to a Volkswagen dealer and get them to fill out an engineers report stating it was a 1.6. I never bothered, seemed like to much hassle for just a typo.

weeder

antodeco wrote: »

Happened me with my mini 1275gt. Well, was registered correctly but the motor tax people have it taxed as an Austin mini cooper

try a motorbike,there isnt one motorbike i have driven that isnt down a a "<brandname> Cycle"

ION08

Senna wrote: »

The wife had a Golf a good few years back, log book description was golf 1.4CL, then engine size was 1600cc. The car was a 1.6, i said to the tax office about changing it and they said i needed to take it to a Volkswagen dealer and get them to fill out an engineers report stating it was a 1.6. I never bothered, seemed like to much hassle for just a typo.

Thats ridiculous with the Golf.

Unfortunately I cant be that lax and just brush things off..

If i'm paying X amount of €uro to VRT my specific car, I expect it to be done so correctly.

How do you think it would have went down if the shoe was on the other foot and I tired shafting them by intentionally registering it as a 90 bhp base model so as to save myself a few bob??? ... no doubt you'd be lynched on the forums aswell

ION08

ION08 wrote: »

............ no doubt you'd be lynched on the forums aswell

Were you lynched on here?

ION08

RoverJames wrote: »

Were you lynched on here?

No. I'm speaking hypothetically IF I were to have reg'd it incorrectly intentionally to save on precious VRT - stop quoting me out of context

sean1141

mathepac wrote: »

I'm working from memory now but if the engine code is "ASZ" it's a 130bhp engine. If you search online there's an on-line decoder for the configuration / options labels for all VAG cars.

are you sure its ASZ. this is the code for the 130bhp engines in the mk4 golf/bora/leon/a3 but i think the a4 had a different code, some thing like AWX.


op i would try get it sorted so that the correct model/power showes up on cartell and the likes because when it comes time to sell and if someone is looking for a 130 and dose a reg check on yours you could loose out on the sale..

ION08

sean1141 wrote: »

are you sure its ASZ. this is the code for the 130bhp engines in the mk4 golf/bora/leon/a3 but i think the a4 had a different code, some thing like AWX.


op i would try get it sorted so that the correct model/power showes up on cartell and the likes because when it comes time to sell and if someone is looking for a 130 and dose a reg check on yours you could loose out on the sale..

130BHP codes for Audi are AWX or AVF.

But yes, that's exactly my point!

Good to know some people can read and understand my posts :P

sean1141

Matt Simis wrote: »

Lots and lots of cars are like this, minor typo that means nothing.

untill its time to sell then it will mean something.

best get it sorted asap. bettter chance of geting it changed at this stage than in 2 or 3 years tine

ION08

ION08 wrote: »

............ stop quoting me out of context

Where did I do that

Vertakill

My 350Z apparently seated 5 people according to my logbook... I wonder if I had 3 people wedged into the boot, would I have gotten into trouble by my insurance company?

Yes, yes I would have!

If it was something major, I'd probably try my best to get it amended though.

RoverJames wrote: »

Where did I do that

I hope you're being sarcastic with that lol... coz you've just quoted him out of context again!

Doesn't the charter say something along the lines of "You have to quote the whole post and not just parts of it" for this very reason?

Fey!

We had an issue with this a couple of years ago, only the car was listed as make "unknown" and model "unknown" (it was a Landrover Freelander). It used to cause some grief at the NCT centre.

We popped in to customs with the car and the logbook, one of their people went outside to look at the car and verify the chassis number. They held on to the logbook and we had a new correct one a week later.

No hassle, no grief, no huge amount of time spent dealing with it.

Now that NCT have taken over from customs, bring it back to the centre and get them to change it. The mistake originated there (they inspected the car for VRT purposes), so they can sort it out.

ION08

ION08 wrote: »

No. I'm speaking hypothetically IF I were to have reg'd it incorrectly intentionally to save on precious VRT - stop quoting me out of context

Vertakill wrote: »

My 350Z apparently seated 5 people according to my logbook... I wonder if I had 3 people wedged into the boot, would I have gotten into trouble by my insurance company?

Yes, yes I would have!

If it was something major, I'd probably try my best to get it amended though.



I hope you're being sarcastic with that lol... coz you've just quoted him out of context again!

Doesn't the charter say something along the lines of "You have to quote the whole post and not just parts of it" for this very reason?

I think you have a misinterpretation of what quoting out of context means tbh, I was in no way being sarcastic.

Vertakill

RoverJames wrote: »

I think you have a misinterpretation of what quoting out of context means tbh, I was in no way being sarcastic.

con·text (kntkst)
n.
1. The part of a text or statement that surrounds a particular word or passage and determines its meaning.
2. The circumstances in which an event occurs; a setting.

Basically, stop quoting segments of his sentences because you lose the context of the event/circumstance he was actually talking about when you do this.
ie... quoting him out of context.

Vertakill

Vertakill wrote: »

con·text (kntkst)
n.
1. The part of a text or statement that surrounds a particular word or passage and determines its meaning.
2. The circumstances in which an event occurs; a setting.

Basically, stop quoting segments of his sentences because you lose the context of the event/circumstance he was actually talking about when you do this.
ie... quoting him out of context.

That's from the charter is it?

Vertakill

RoverJames wrote: »

I think you have a misinterpretation of what quoting out of context means tbh, I was in no way being sarcastic.

RoverJames wrote: »

That's from the charter is it?

Nope, that's a definition of context since you refuse to heed the OP's request and are convinced I don't know what it means.
It might not be in the charter, maybe it's just a common courtesy on most forums - I'm not sure - I'll stand corrected if it's not. Doesn't really change the point though.

Anyways, here's another one for you:

nit·pick·ing (ntpkng)
n.
Minute, trivial, unnecessary, and unjustified criticism or faultfinding.

I'm done posting about the trials and tribulations of contextual quoting for now though - thanks.

Vertakill

Vertakill wrote: »

..............

Anyways, here's another one for you:

nit·pick·ing (ntpkng)
n.
Minute, trivial, unnecessary, and unjustified criticism or faultfinding.

I'm done posting about the trials and tribulations of contextual quoting for now though - thanks.

Here's one for you........

back.seat.modd.ing :pac:

Vertakill

RoverJames wrote: »

Here's one for you........

back.seat.modd.ing :pac:

Nope, I was actually answering your question and educating you on what quoting out of context was.

ION08 wrote: »

stop quoting me out of context

RoverJames wrote: »

Where did I do that

Consider yourself educated...

EPM

Vertakill wrote: »

Nope, that's a definition of context since you refuse to heed the OP's request and are convinced I don't know what it means.
It might not be in the charter, maybe it's just a common courtesy on most forums - I'm not sure - I'll stand corrected if it's not. Doesn't really change the point though.

Anyways, here's another one for you:

nit·pick·ing (ntpkng)
n.
Minute, trivial, unnecessary, and unjustified criticism or faultfinding.

I'm done posting about the trials and tribulations of contextual quoting for now though - thanks.

Backseat modding is against the charter, since you're so quick to quote it.

Drop it.

ION08

Vertakill; Thanks, you've saved me a lot of typing

As for RoverJames. If you refuse to understand my point (I presume it is intentional as you seem like a reasonably intelligent bloke) that's fine.

Instead of looking at the bigger picture and the implications of my main point, you're honing in on snippets of my text and derailing them. Good stuff out of you :rolleyes:

Vertakill

EPM wrote: »

Backseat modding is against the charter, since you're so quick to quote it.

Drop it.

Sorry, but I didn't quote the charter? I quoted a definition from an external site.

RoverJames wrote: »

Where did I do that

I was answering the above question.

Nice one though, trolling a thread by quoting a guy out of context and antagonising him, get asked to stop doing it by the OP and then try to tell us we're wrong, then scream bloody murder when you're called out on it (backseat modding omg someone come quick) and then thank the modders post when they intervene. I love this place!

And don't worry, I'm taking an extended break from here anyways.

Vertakill

Vertakill wrote: »

...............trolling a thread by quoting a guy out of context ................

I have quoted no one out of context in this thread folks

ION08

RoverJames, Would love to see how indifferent about it you would be if you imprted an MG ZT Sports Saloon , VRT'd it as such and received a log book, for a Rover 75 Estate

EPM

ION08 wrote: »

Vertakill; Thanks, you've saved me a lot of typing

As for RoverJames. If you refuse to understand my point (I presume it is intentional as you seem like a reasonably intelligent bloke) that's fine.

Instead of looking at the bigger picture and the implications of my main point, you're honing in on snippets of my text and derailing them. Good stuff out of you :rolleyes:

Drop it

Vertakill wrote: »

Doesn't the charter say something along the lines of "You have to quote the whole post and not just parts of it" for this very reason?

Vertakill wrote: »

Sorry, but I didn't quote the charter? I quoted a definition from an external site.


I was answering the above question.

Nice one though, trolling a thread by quoting a guy out of context and antagonising him, get asked to stop doing it by the OP and then try to tell us we're wrong, then scream bloody murder when you're called out on it (backseat modding omg someone come quick) and then thank the modders post when they intervene. I love this place!

And don't worry, I'm taking an extended break from here anyways.

That clear enough for you? If you have any other issues do it via PM with me.

RoverJames wrote: »

I have quoted no one out of context in this thread folks

You're DELIBERATELY dragging this out so leave it be. That's low level trolling RJ.

ION08

ION08 wrote: »

RoverJames, Would love to see how indifferent about it you would be if you imprted an MG ZT Sports Saloon , VRT'd it as such and received a log book, for a Rover 75 Estate

I'd just address it rather than posting derogatory insults on a forum about folks who have made an error and who as yet haven't had the chance to remedy the situation

.......Morons............... monkeys ...............clowns ...................Its just the incompetence that annoys me .............

Folks make mistakes.

EPM

RoverJames wrote: »

I have quoted no one out of context in this thread folks

ION08 wrote: »

RoverJames, Would love to see how indifferent about it you would be if you imprted an MG ZT Sports Saloon , VRT'd it as such and received a log book, for a Rover 75 Estate

RoverJames wrote: »

I'd just address it rather than posting derogatory insults on a forum about folks who have made an error and who as yet haven't had the chance to remedy the situation

.......Morons............... monkeys ...............clowns ...................Its just the incompetence that annoys me .............

Folks make mistakes.

Read my last post.

Last warning for the three of you.

ION08

RoverJames wrote: »

I'd just address it rather than posting derogatory insults on a forum about folks who have made an error and who as yet haven't had the chance to remedy the situation

.......Morons............... monkeys ...............clowns ...................Its just the incompetence that annoys me .............

Folks make mistakes.

Not good enough.

Fair play though, different personalities.

YBTurbo

Iv got a 3 seater E36 BMW Coupe. Also have a 5 seater E36 Coupe and my last E36 Coupe was a 4 seater.

Kristopherus

OP, why are you blaming Shannon? NCT Centre was the first contact the car had in Ireland. They assessed it for VRT and classified it. They are most likely the source of the issue. You should clarify the issue with them first, you can fight with the " morons" later:D.

R.O.R

We discovered last week (due to a large difference between budgetted capital and actual cost) that we have a 2011 Opel Vivaro 9 Seat minibus, registered (and VRT'd) as a commercial vehicle.

This one is actually Opel's fault for supplying the incorrect data to the Revenue when the vehicle was originally registered.

OP - might be quicker to talk to your local tax office than trying to get through to Shannon.

ION08

Kristopherus: I'm not blaming NCT because I have a receipt from them for a 130BHP SPORT 4DR , so I am asumming they done their job right (especially since the lady came out to check the car TWICE )


Ok so looked into this a bit further, here is the funny part;


Cartell: 90BHP 5DR

Motorcheck: 130 BHP SPORT 4DR

Motortax/PSE website (official revenue website): 90BHP 5DR

Taking bets now on what will appear on my log book! .. drumroll please....

Kristopherus

ION08 wrote: »

Kristopherus: I'm not blaming NCT because I have a receipt from them for a 130BHP SPORT 4DR , so I am asumming they done their job right (especially since the lady came out to check the car TWICE )


Ok so looked into this a bit further, here is the funny part;


Cartell: 90BHP 5DR

Motorcheck: 130 BHP SPORT 4DR

Motortax/PSE website (official revenue website): 90BHP 5DR

Taking bets now on what will appear on my log book! .. drumroll please....

The plot surely thickens !!!!!. I always thought both Cartell & Motorcheck verified the accuracy of their info through the same sources. Drum roll indeed..... Hope its the 130:)

Cedrus

I used to have a 'blue' '3 seater' micra with 5 seatbelts in it and red paintwork. It wasn't a lot of hassle to change it but it should have been the original inspector who corrected it not me. It would have been a lot more hassle to change it when I came to sell or if there were 5 people in it and i crashed it.

If the details are not important enough to get right why are they recorded at all. I'd second the morons, monkeys clowns comments.

Gumbo

ION08 wrote: »

It's insured correctly as what it is so not really worried about that.

Its just the incompetence that annoys me and I just know that if I try ringing them tomorrow i'll be on the phone for half an hour trying to get it sorted IF they decide to answer their phones.

Idiots

you may have opened a can of worms at the NCT centre now.
They quote you the VRT of the 130 sport, you pay and they give you a receipt, but they dont save the details.

When you go, they then enter your details and assign it against a lower variant and thus, the NCT centre now owe revenue less money, so where does the balance go???

all the above is just my opinion so may or may not be true/possible even.

I would sort it ASAP, i wouldnt blame the PS staff in Shannon as they get the details from the NCT centre which are then inputted.

ION08

kceire wrote: »

you may have opened a can of worms at the NCT centre now.
They quote you the VRT of the 130 sport, you pay and they give you a receipt, but they dont save the details.

When you go, they then enter your details and assign it against a lower variant and thus, the NCT centre now owe revenue less money, so where does the balance go???

all the above is just my opinion so may or may not be true/possible even.

I would sort it ASAP, i wouldnt blame the PS staff in Shannon as they get the details from the NCT centre which are then inputted.

Yeah that could well be the scenario but why I wonder why/how it's appearing as a 130BHP SPORT on motorcheck then!?

mathepac

sean1141 wrote: »

are you sure its ASZ. this is the code for the 130bhp engines in the mk4 golf/bora/leon/a3 but i think the a4 had a different code, some thing like AWX. ..

You''re right of course, sorry. ASZ / BLT mounted transversely, A4 etc. engines mounted longitudinally.

a_v525

maybe motorcheck is using the details from the original uk reg supplied via the dvla & therefore is quoting the model correctly, whereas the other two are using the incorrect irish description