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CDTV

any chance of sky broadband in ireland ever....?

senorwipesalot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf0ZyoUn7Vk

watty

If they bought out UPC?

zg3409

Their main need is totally uncapped download as much as you want for their TV via 'Net services.

No-one offers that at the moment at consumer prices.

UPC is a TV, broadband, phone company.

It would be better if they bought Eircom and turned it into a TV, phone, broadband company with streaming services.

They really need a company with true broadband ability like UPC/Eircom unlike mobile phone internet, wimax etc which cannot handle the traffic.

Although I would like broadband companies to provide broadband ONLY and not a mess of calls, some TV, not other, free music hub etc.

The providers should provide a pipe to the internet, where the services lie, and if you want to subscribe to netflix, sky online or whoevery this is a seperate purchase.

Like in the UK you needed broadband from Sky for some services to work, in Irl you need Eircom for free study hub, music streaming etc.

OneIdea

watty wrote: »

If they bought out UPC?

Or... Imagine and supplied a WiSkyMax box.

zg3409

Imagine cut me off for using Sky anytime online for going over the download limit. I don't think their network can handle streaming TV. It's not "next generation" as they claim.

OneIdea

zg3409 wrote: »

Imagine cut me off for using Sky anytime online for going over the download limit. I don't think their network can handle streaming TV. It's not "next generation" as they claim.

Understandable if you go over limits, however that's not really anything to do with sky....

Whats this new BT system in the UK, 4xs fast and all that... maybe something like that could be introduced.

Anyway my real point was that it doesn't have to be a cable or telephone system.

manutd83

i was told yesterday by a friend who works 4 sky that they hope to have broadband up and running around ireland within the next six months,i hope he is right but i have a feeling that he is wrong

manutd83

oh he said they are collaborating with eircom on it

OneIdea

manutd83 wrote: »

oh he said they are collaborating with eircom on it

Interesting... but I must say that its a contradiction on sky and how things have changed, when sky digital was introduced first, it was a condition to have a telephone line, I maybe wrong but I think there was some deal with eircom at the time.. however today a home land-line is not a requirement to signup to sky?

manutd83

i know what you mean,i have sky without a landline,i dont actually see the point of a landline anymore but if they do bring it in with eircom you would probably have to get the landlin to get broadband

codie

There must be something on the horizen .Vodafone are going all out trying to sign people up for 24 months.I am a vodafone customer for the last 2 yrs.They rang me up offering be a better price if I signed up.

manutd83

im lookin to change my broadband provider too,i wouldnt sign up to a 24month contract for any product because if it doesnt work great,as in speed not good,you are stuck for soooo long

GAAman

manutd83 wrote: »

oh he said they are collaborating with eircom on it

That is more than likely correct as they use phone lines rather than coax connections, they use BT in england so it makes sense.

However if their Irish service is in any way similar to their english one you do not want it! I worked broadband tech for them and it was ridiculous the amount of lies they peddled to customers. Blaming everything and anything except their crappy service and trying to find ways to blame the customer.

Just to emphasise how bad it was, we were offered half price subscriptions for it and I still said no! :pac:

watty

manutd83 wrote: »

oh he said they are collaborating with eircom on it

The eircom that's up for sale again and close to liquidation? Maybe Sky would buy the infrastructure after they go bust. Only an idiot would take on a telco worth 1/2 its Debt and under invested in infrastructure since privatised.

OneIdea

GAAman wrote: »

However if their Irish service is in any way similar to their english one you do not want it! I worked broadband tech for them and it was ridiculous the amount of lies they peddled to customers. Blaming everything and anything except their crappy service and trying to find ways to blame the customer.

Just to emphasise how bad it was, we were offered half price subscriptions for it and I still said no! :pac:

Haha.. sounds like the vodafone service.

OT: does anyone know what company sky will use to hire customer service reps for the new call center in Dublin?

Kristopherus

They just might buy Eircom. Only they or UPC have the overall ability to buy. But unless they can get their hands on 3-5bn euro to upgrade the infrastructure, they'll be buying a pup, and I can't see them doing that.

NewHillel

manutd83 wrote: »

i was told yesterday by a friend who works 4 sky that they hope to have broadband up and running around ireland within the next six months,i hope he is right but i have a feeling that he is wrong

Never trust a feeling.

Cantona's Collars

OneIdea wrote: »

OT: does anyone know what company sky will use to hire customer service reps for the new call center in Dublin?

http://skycustomercentres.com/dublin/

paul666999

if you go to the square tallaght to the sky shop or ask any sky engineer it is coming in march if you phone sky they will deny it ???

byte

paul666999 wrote: »

if you go to the square tallaght to the sky shop or ask any sky engineer it is coming in march if you phone sky they will deny it ???

Well, of course, as they probably don't know (Sky shops are just Authorised Sky Agents sellign sky for commission), and it's not officially announced, ergo for somebody inside Sky in the know, mouthing off would probably be contravening a confidentiality clause in their contract.

Solair

watty wrote: »

If they bought out UPC?

Highly unlikely given that UPC are a huge cable operator by any standards and owned Liberty Global. 17.9 million customers and passes 32 million homes.

Sky owning cable would also mean no competition.

There's absolutely nothing to stop Sky from launching a triple-play product here though. They can easily setup a "bitstream" DSL operation using eircom's DSLAMs and any number of backbone providers e.g. eircom, BT, Cable & Wireless and several others who have fibre infrastructure to exchanges and wholesale voice products.

They could also purchase a smaller DSL provider here, but that's probably not even worth while as there's very little unbundling done here other than a few exchanges by Smart, Magnet and BT and the technology's no longer any different from what eircom offer using their NGN gear.

I would suspect that Sky are concerned that they're losing customers to UPC since their broadband and phone products launched.

The triple-play sales pitch may work for some, but it will never really appeal to people who want serious broadband as DSL is really not comparable to cable. Sky's UK broadband products are just DSL too, they're nothing particularly amazing.

That being said, there are plenty of people who are happy enough with DSL speeds and will be more concerned about price. If Sky can cut a good deal, they'll probably get quite a lot of broadband customers + phone users on board, but it'll quite likely be exactly the same infrastructure that Eircom and Vodafone @ Home, UTV etc use.

Sky definitely won't buy Eircom. News Corp. isn't a telecommunications company and would have little/no reason to buy a small European telco.

I'd suspect Eircom will get picked up by one of the big continental telcos or BT for a nominal fee.

sgbrady

i think they are bringing it in because i talked to a sky representitive online and she said they were working on it ring them up and ask them about it it will presure them into releasing broadband and phone services:D

JDxtra

Sky are now seeking to hire a "Senior Product Manager - Broadband (ROI)". Pretty much proof it's on the horizon. Here's an extract from the job spec:

We have an exciting opportunity for a Senior Product Manager, to work within the Product Management team responsible for launching Sky’s Broadband & Talk portfolio in ROI.

Please note: this role is based in our Dublin office with regular travel to our Osterley, Middlesex office.

Source: www.workforsky.com

starviewadams

UPC's success with triple play must be getting their back's up.

Sky's bb if will be the exact same as Eircom's crappy offering though will it not?still not much competition for cable bb.

Solair

It can't really be anything else. They offer bog-standard DSL in the UK too. It does not really hold a candle to with Virgin (Cable) or BT Infinity (Fibre) in terms of speed, but their selling point is that they do bundle-deals with TV.

zg3409

It will nearly 100% be uncapped, meaning downloading 24/7/365 allowed unlike Eircom's resedential package (assuming your exchange has been upgraded to next generation) with no sharing meaning you min speed is your max speed 24/7. Depending on your distance from the exchange it may be fast or slow.

With triple play the main profit is in calls/monthly call packages/ not broadband costs. Phone has always been more profitable than broadband.

Ranicand

This will do very little for Sky.

I went with UPC for tipple play you know TV phone Broadband on the one bill.

However I changed back to Sky for TV as they have the best TV product by far.

UPC have the best broadband and DSL can not even compare to it.

Minstrel27

Ranicand wrote: »

UPC have the best broadband and DSL can not even compare to it.

That means nothing to many parts of the country that do not have UPC broadband available to them

byte

Minstrel27 wrote: »

That means nothing to many parts of the country that do not have UPC broadband available to them

Yeah, too true.

Also, surely Casey's have the best broadband in the country.

Ranicand

Minstrel27 wrote: »

That means nothing to many parts of the country that do not have UPC broadband available to them

Agreed.

However in cable areas if people are willing to pay to get the best it will be Sky for TV and UPC for broadband.

As regards the rest of the country it is a disgrace that Eircom has been allowed to run this farce.

watty

Minstrel27 wrote: »

That means nothing to many parts of the country that do not have UPC broadband available to them

DSL is poorer in areas without UPC. 3Mbps is about the overall average DSL. Outside UPC areas it's worse.

Without their own fibre backhaul, sky can't offer 24/7 uncapped no contention Broadband.

This will just be a marketing exercise. It's not going to give anyone better and unlikely to cheaper broad broadband unless you are taking Sky packages and Sky Phone.

Sky's packages, especially Sky Sports are grossly overpriced.

Minstrel27

watty wrote: »

DSL is poorer in areas without UPC. 3Mbps is about the overall average DSL. Outside UPC areas it's worse.

Without their own fibre backhaul, sky can't offer 24/7 uncapped no contention Broadband.

This will just be a marketing exercise. It's not going to give anyone better and unlikely to cheaper broad broadband unless you are taking Sky packages and Sky Phone.

Sky's packages, especially Sky Sports are grossly overpriced.

I only said UPC broadband means nothing to people not in UPC areas. I never claimed DSL in Ireland was wonderful

Ranicand

watty wrote: »

DSL is poorer in areas without UPC. 3Mbps is about the overall average DSL. Outside UPC areas it's worse.

Without their own fibre backhaul, sky can't offer 24/7 uncapped no contention Broadband.

This will just be a marketing exercise. It's not going to give anyone better and unlikely to cheaper broad broadband unless you are taking Sky packages and Sky Phone.

Sky's packages, especially Sky Sports are grossly overpriced.

UPC are a private company and they have built their broadband network around high population density areas so they will get a decent return.

Eircom is the national operator and it was their responsibility to run a decent network to all parts of the country.

Corruption and dodgy brown envelopes and greedy shareholders are the only people who have benefited from the train wreak of Eircom.

Eircom is up for sale again how many times is that now?

There are other small operators like Casey and Magnet fiber that offer high speeds also but these are in even less areas then UPC.

Ranicand

Casey cable packs



Magnet packs in fiber areas



UPC packs




As you can see all of the above leave Eircom in the dark ages Sky would be daft to try and resell on Eircoms network.

zg3409

Eircom added that its plans to sell the company through Morgan Stanley are continuing, with interested parties expected to make offers mid-March.

From:
http://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/item/25879-eircom-fibre-rollout-a-pl

Also mentions fibre rollout:

“In addition, the full rollout has been accelerated to reach 1 million homes in three years

campo

It will be interesting to see if and when Sky roll out Broadband and Phone what the cost would be for there triple play versus UPC
Finally we might see prices dropping in this country with companies jocking for position

lawhec

I have Sky's phone and broadband package (no TV package) at my flat in Omagh, where the local exchange is unbundled. Had to get a new phone line installed and was fortunate to get a good deal off them last month - 12 month contract, 12 month half price broadband (£5 from £10) so currently £17.25 per month. New landline is normally charged at £39 but post-Christmas offer went down to £10, and I'm in the process of claiming £70 cashback through Quidco, so in money terms I can't complain.

Phone line rental is £12.25 per month, and includes free landline calls to the UK & RoI after 7pm on weekdays and all weekend. An extra £5 pm also gives free landline calls on daytime weekdays, a number of foreign countries on landline as well plus a reduction on calls to mobiles. Didn't bother this this as I've already a mobile with inclusive all-time minutes. They also offer, like a few UK phone companies now do, the chance to pay for a years line rental up front and save about £30 in the process, but you have to call them to get this done.

Broadband is ADSL2+ based. Sky recommend that you leave their router connected on continuously for 10 days to get the sync speed set right; my own line has a profile for 19Mbps download and 1.1Mbps upload - real world test see a download ranging from 15-17.5MBps and 1Mbps upload. Though not quite as speedy as my parents BT Infinity connection (see my sig!) it's fine for most tasks including connected up to a Sony Bravia TV via ethernet for its internet connectivity features and also for video streaming for the Vision Network channels on Freeview.

There is no usage cap on my broadband package, and Sky also claim that they don't slow down speeds or engage in traffic shaping during peak times and I can't say I've noticed this. The router they supply is a Sagemcom model that looks like a miniature Sky HD receiver. It does have a shortcoming of the WiFi not being very powerful and no room to connect an external aerial to improve it. It covers my flat OK, but it may struggle to cover say an above-average sized family house.

danois

UPC is now available where I am Had a rep at the door the other day, I have a failry good deal at the min with sky so I am thinking of just ditching eircom and going with UPC for internet.

While chatting the rep mentioned that SKY are planning on starting up there own broadband in Ireland. He then went on to say that it will be no where near as good as what UPC provide he said sky are ranked 11th in the uk for their broadband and that it is really really bad. Im not sure where he got his info from but he seemed 100% they were coming to Ireland.

I also filled out an online survey a few months ago on www.irishopinions.com and it was all about sky and would i be interested in broadband.

So now I'm not sure if I should wait and not sign into a contract with UPC should I hang on and see if there is going to be SKY broadband ...

zg3409

Sky broadband will be the exact same speed as eircom broadband. They will use the same exchanges and equipment. The difference may be truly unlimited download. If you currently have eircom, then eircom's max speed will be the same as Sky. It depends on your distance from the exchange.

cabledude

Cabledude looks on at all the previous posts with a feeling of utter jealousy in his heart. You see, Cabledude can only dream of having landline based broadband. His local exchange is not broadband enabled and never will be. FYI its the Adamstown exchange in Wexford.... So Cabledude is having to live with mobile broadband with speeds of 1.1mbps being the highest ever score on Broadband speed check. Cabledude is not happy with this. Eircom/Dept Of Communications should be ashamed... But Cabledude doubts they will........

John mac

cabledude wrote: »

So Cabledude is having to live with mobile broadband with speeds of 1.1mbps being the highest ever score on Broadband speed check. ..

thats not broadband... its this.:cool:

kennygg76

A SKY Agent called last night booking technical issues in the area as a technician will be around next week.
I asked him what's happening with SKY Broadband coming to Ireland.
He said that sky broadband is in Dublin being trialed at the moment.
Will be rolled out in the next 2 months country wide with a phone package as well.
He said that there will be substantial offers given to people who switch, he said 6 months free!!!!

This is what the agent said, hopefully its true.

byte

kennygg76 wrote: »

A SKY Agent called last night booking technical issues in the area as a technician will be around next week..

What? When did Sky start doing this? Sounds dubious to me.

CDTV

I'm a sky agent and have not heard anything yet ?
2way sat would have to be the only option so as to cover the nation with equal speeds.

NewHillel

kennygg76 wrote: »

This is what the agent said, hopefully its true.

But most likely not...

Unless Sky put in their own equipment, they'll have to use an existing provider. In most cases that means using eircom's network - so, nothing to trial!

kennygg76

There were 2 agents going around the estste, in their blue sky jackets and clipboard. They were not selling anything (I never buy anything from door to door sales agents). We have sky agents calling fairly regularly to our estate, the estate is pre wired for UPC so I recon most ppl using them and sky trying to get them to change.

If they are fake sky agents, they didnt want anything from me and didnt try sell anything?????

kennygg76

Oh BTW I am a sky customer already.

Cantona's Collars

kennygg76 wrote: »

There were 2 agents going around the estste, in their blue sky jackets and clipboard. They were not selling anything (I never buy anything from door to door sales agents). We have sky agents calling fairly regularly to our estate, the estate is pre wired for UPC so I recon most ppl using them and sky trying to get them to change.

If they are fake sky agents, they didnt want anything from me and didnt try sell anything?????

Not fake agents-just the worlds worst sales reps.I'd say they were told by a team leader or whoever to tell people that a Sky installer would be in the area,people who are on the fence about getting Sky then jump at it & sign up to take advantage of this.It's a sales ploy but a really bad one,I'd say they'll be out of a job fairly soon if these are the tactics they are using.

Back on topic,as I said before on the subject of Sky Broadband,unless anyone gets a correspondence from Sky directly telling them Broadband is on the way, assume we won't be getting it.

kennygg76

zerks wrote: »

Not fake agents-just the worlds worst sales reps.I'd say they were told by a team leader or whoever to tell people that a Sky installer would be in the area,people who are on the fence about getting Sky then jump at it & sign up to take advantage of this.It's a sales ploy but a really bad one,I'd say they'll be out of a job fairly soon if these are the tactics they are using.

Back on topic,as I said before on the subject of Sky Broadband,unless anyone gets a correspondence from Sky directly telling them Broadband is on the way, assume we won't be getting it.

Thanks for clearing that up man
I hate door to door sales agents :mad:

NewHillel

zerks wrote: »

Back on topic,as I said before on the subject of Sky Broadband,unless anyone gets a correspondence from Sky directly telling them Broadband is on the way, assume we won't be getting it.

My assumption is that it wil be available, later this year.