If you went home do you reckon you would be right?

Zambia

A thought came to me

If I did decide to go home would I get a job taking into account the horror stories my family tells me. A quick look on Jobs.ie shows a lot of good fits for the sort of stuff I did when I left. So if I was still in that line of work I reckon I would get something. Maybe not as great pay as I did when I left but something.

Anyway here is my question if you left Aus today do you reckon you would pick up a job on your return and how long would it take you?

Rest assured I am not going anywhere...

jackbhoy

Yeah, I reckon I could pick up a contract in the morning if I went back. Myself and gf returned home to Ireland for a year in late 2009 and were both working pretty much straight away and both gave up jobs to come back to Oz again.

Since I left again last year I have been contacted several times by recruiters and companies through Linkedin and old colleagues offering contract work. I work as an IT Contractor/Consultant so there's actually tonnes of work in Dublin, companies are hiring short term contractors on daily rate rather than hiring perm employees these days. Actually, it would be easier for me to get good contracts in Dublin now than in Melbourne, as a lot of big banks here are slashing costs and have hiring freezes. Funny old world eh

The Aussie

Well to be honest, when the wife wanted to move back here to Cork in 2008 to be close to a sick parent I was bricking it as to how either of us would find work but the pair of us were working within weeks and have been ever since.

I'm running work for a small enough builder here and have only had about 5 weeks off due to no work or between jobs in that time with my wages (according to my P60's) at 2004 levels and my second job at 2006 levels.He was not even that keen on me heading back to Brisbane for 10 days in mid January.

If your keen enough you will find something even if it's a job that you would not have looked at 5 years ago for money that's nearing on being insulting.

CiaranC

I went home in late 2010, secured a permanent IT job, reasonably well paid, though not as well paid as previous similar positions Ive had in Ireland, within three days. I dont imagine it would be any different now. In fact it would probably be easier now as Ive more experience as a contractor.

Dont believe the hype.

myflipflops

Pretty certain I would get work. Probably be able to get my old job back.

Intend to test that confidence in a year or 2.

woolymammoth

hard to know really.. I went back in early 2010 and had a permanent (IT) job within a few weeks. Having said that, there was an element of right place, right time, but even then the boss said he had trouble finding someone to fill the role. I think if i had to go back tomorrow, I could find something again within a month or two at most. Less if i wasn't fussy about the work or contract positions, less again if i could be fecked with databases or developement! :pac:

Batgurl

I know I wouldn't.

Every vacancy that comes along in my line of work in Ireland has been transformed into one of them WPP or internship things.

I still regularly keep in contact with people who work in the industry and they say that wages have been slashed and slashed again. I know of individuals who are being squeezed out through very un-nice means as they don't want to pay redundancy. As soon as the hint of a vacancy comes up, CV's get sent through but the job has already been given to someone on the inside.

That being said, its hard enough over here to get into my line of work so it is what it is...

I'm currently working in quite a niche area but the problem is this area doesn't actual exist in Ireland at the moment so my experience here will count as nothing back home. I've been offered sponsorship so hopefully it wont come to that but if it does, it'll be London for me as I'd be at nothing in Ireland.

Xavi6

With the broad experience I have gained here then probably.

Whether the wages would be enough to match my current carefree lifestyle is another matter entirely.

chrismon

I came home in September and have gotten 1 days work so far. Sick of applying for jobs. Wish I stayed where I was.
I'm a Sparky by the way.

Father Damo

I reckon my old job would take me back if there was an opening.

However I would rather drink acid than work for my old firm so its a moot point. I earn about as much knocking down walls and dumping rubble in the skip here than my old department manager would make in a week (fair enough the exchange rate is alot different to when I left but even still, it gives me a silent smug satisfaction :pac: If it wasnt for the availability of 24 hour drinking at the weekend I would be absoloutely minted, but sure you are only young once)

6ix

In Ireland, I probably wouldn't be in a good position to get a job but I'd probably be ok if I went to the UK and I could settle for being a short plane ride away. There are loads of opportunities for me here in Oz though so I'm happy for now.

My girlfriend on the other hand would have better prospects at home than she does here. She works in finance and things aren't great here at the moment, in Sydney at least.

catbear

My job in Ireland is there if the company is still there but the atmosphere was depressing. I don't need a job in australia to be great, i just need it to be good because being able to go to the beach or just to be outdoors in a sunny climate makes up for a lot. Seriously folks, ireland's in a bad mood right now, leave going back a few years if you can hold out here.

zweton

Would you notice the difference out there between the two catbear?

catbear

Outwhere exactly, do you mean from Ireland to Australia?

The Aussie

Father Damo wrote: »

However I would rather drink acid than work for my old firm.

I agree, Cask Wine is the last resort at 5 in the morning:D

lima

I was struggling to get work in Melbourne (was there for 6 months on a WHV) but luckily I got headhunted by a company back in Dublin, started a few weeks ago and now I'm as happy as ever

aido79

lima wrote: »

I was struggling to get work in Melbourne (was there for 6 months on a WHV) but luckily I got headhunted by a company back in Dublin, started a few weeks ago and now I'm as happy as ever

Let me guess...you work in IT?. Most of the people saying that they would get work at home seem to work in IT. I'm an electrician and have more or less accepted the fact that I'll never live in Ireland again even if I wanted to. Anyone in the construction industry would really struggle to make a go of it in Ireland for the next few years at least.

Mellor

In architecture, I doubt it.

I'd prob have to go self employed.

Zambia

aido79 wrote: »

Let me guess...you work in IT?. Most of the people saying that they would get work at home seem to work in IT. I'm an electrician and have more or less accepted the fact that I'll never live in Ireland again even if I wanted to. Anyone in the construction industry would really struggle to make a go of it in Ireland for the next few years at least.

I would agree Aido IT and the specialist skills to be found in it are very handy to have.

Plus it is so not for everyone I found my years in IT very frustrating at times.

bladebrew

aido79 wrote: »

Let me guess...you work in IT?. Most of the people saying that they would get work at home seem to work in IT. I'm an electrician and have more or less accepted the fact that I'll never live in Ireland again even if I wanted to. Anyone in the construction industry would really struggle to make a go of it in Ireland for the next few years at least.

i was thinking the exact same thing, michael noonan got slated the other day for saying on the news a lot of emigration is a lifestyle choice, he appears to be completly right,
the only jobs i hear anyone getting in ireland is in IT,
im suprised so many people left jobs to go to oz and could get jobs if they returned,

Zambia

I would not go that far because for many young people in their early 20's who wants to sit around looking for the odd bit of work trying to build a skill set.

I reckon a lot of the posters here accumulated a lot of experience in the good times well I did anyway. Without the opportunity to acquire that experience you really are looking towards the airport.

woolymammoth

bladebrew wrote: »

i was thinking the exact same thing, michael noonan got slated the other day for saying on the news a lot of emigration is a lifestyle choice, he appears to be completly right,
the only jobs i hear anyone getting in ireland is in IT,
im suprised so many people left jobs to go to oz and could get jobs if they returned,

I sympathise for old noonan, a little. To a degree, many people to leave the country because they can, and not because they have to. I'm an example emigration for lifestyle myself. But I have family who have emigrated because they have no other choice, so i see both sides of the argument. Noonan should have chosen his words better, but that doesn't make him wrong, and people are only giving him sh!t because they need someone to lash out against.

The government has been crying about the lack of IT workers, about the need for people to take up IT, for over a decade. Hell, the courses i took to get into IT were designed around getting more people into IT at a time when everyone wanted to be a sparky or carpenter. Lots of my school chums went into the trades because you got paid to learn, because the money was good, they didn't need to bury their face in books every night. And I cannot fault them, because those prospects looked good at the time. Still.. There's a point I'm trying to make, but I won't because i cannot articulate it without offending half the country.

LETS BE AVN IT

I returned last month ;( . Not a chance of an interview never mind a job here . Stay where you are ,but its great to be able to go on a night out and not be worried you wont get in because you have had more than 2 drinks

Zambia

In Waterford and what are you applying for?

karl bracken

I think with IT at home you still need experience, i went back to college as a mature student and got my degree and had 6 months IT work experience and 5 years sales and made it to the last 2 in a few interviews but got the same thing in them all, the other guy just has a little bit more experience...

Me and the GF came over here and found it very hard i applied for about 200 jobs and got 2 interviews (and these were all very junior roles) eventually i got something and got sponsored but i think i was lucky, was down to the last $500!

I would like to go home in a few years and think were in a good position to buy a house at home as the dollar gets stronger and house prices drop and with a few years experience over here finding IT work at home wont be that hard, i hope lol

Super is a good way to get a deposit for a house when you get back after the 35% tax from it.

mandrake04

woolymammoth wrote: »

I sympathise for old noonan, a little. To a degree, many people to leave the country because they can, and not because they have to. I'm an example emigration for lifestyle myself. But I have family who have emigrated because they have no other choice, so i see both sides of the argument. Noonan should have chosen his words better, but that doesn't make him wrong, and people are only giving him sh!t because they need someone to lash out against.

The government has been crying about the lack of IT workers, about the need for people to take up IT, for over a decade. Hell, the courses i took to get into IT were designed around getting more people into IT at a time when everyone wanted to be a sparky or carpenter. Lots of my school chums went into the trades because you got paid to learn, because the money was good, they didn't need to bury their face in books every night. And I cannot fault them, because those prospects looked good at the time. Still.. There's a point I'm trying to make, but I won't because i cannot articulate it without offending half the country.

In fairness to Noonan its not his fault that the Irish media have hyped up the whole emigration thing, like its as if the word Holiday has been erased from the Irish dictionary and replaced by emigration.

Zambia

Yes it is curious where are the migration figures coming from is it exits from Dublin Airport. When I left I don't recall letting any Government body know I was leaving.

Like this summer will several thousand Irish emigrate to Ibiza

karl bracken

Zambia wrote: »

Like this summer will several thousand Irish emigrate to Ibiza

Is there IT jobs there lol

mandrake04

Zambia wrote: »

Yes it is curious where are the migration figures coming from is it exits from Dublin Airport. When I left I don't recall letting any Government body know I was leaving.

Like this summer will several thousand Irish emigrate to Ibiza

Yeah they will emigrating for 2 weeks in July, my parents emigrated here for a month last June. I emigrated to the US for 2 weeks earlier this month.

jank

From what I hear back home, I would get a job easily enough if I were to move back there. Yes I work in IT

Those years studying and working part time stacking shelfs paid off. Any fool back in the good times could earn a mint as a tradie. Fair enough if you like the trade but I know many that just did it to earn money and are now crying foul.

The Aussie

aido79 wrote: »

Anyone in the construction industry would really struggle to make a go of it in Ireland for the next few years at least.

Im not sure its as bad as that, in Cork last year i know a good few blokes across all trades who got a full years work and others who were working between 8 and 10 months of the year then spent the other time claiming and doing Foxers, i worked the full 12 months without a holiday.

jank

karl bracken wrote: »

Super is a good way to get a deposit for a house when you get back after the 35% tax from it.

I would not take this money out from its original purpose. Its your pension at the end of the day and afaik transferable to pension funds based in Ireland.

karl bracken

Didnt know that, i will have to see what way everything is when i get back shouldnt be for for at least a few more years anyways...

aido79

The Aussie wrote: »

Im not sure its as bad as that, in Cork last year i know a good few blokes across all trades who got a full years work and others who were working between 8 and 10 months of the year then spent the other time claiming and doing Foxers, i worked the full 12 months without a holiday.

I've heard stories of lads going home and getting work..I've also heard how much they are earning. For me it was a lifestyle choice to come over here before the s$%t hit the fan. I work in the mines over here so it would take alot of foxers to make the same money in Ireland.

lima

aido79 wrote: »

Let me guess...you work in IT?. Most of the people saying that they would get work at home seem to work in IT. I'm an electrician and have more or less accepted the fact that I'll never live in Ireland again even if I wanted to. Anyone in the construction industry would really struggle to make a go of it in Ireland for the next few years at least.

Yeah kind of IT.. telecoms actually. Telecoms is booming in Aus but they never wanted to listen to me because I was on the WHV and had no 'local experience'. I was really unlucky as I had a $450 per day role sorted in Sydney but the project got cancelled at the last minute!! Not to worry though, I got sorted in the end, just happened to be back home in (freezing) Ireland.

In saying that one thing I missed whilst being in Aus was the proximity to other countries/cultures, and that's one thing that I'm going to take advantage of now that I'm home..

kraggy

What are is it easy to get a job in in IT these days?

Actually, what are the different types of work in IT? I've only heard of computer programming and networks. What else is there?

Sorry if it's a little off topic.

karl bracken

I found a lot of IT in Oz were looking for a minimum of 2 years experience and in a lot of cases residency.
If your on a working holiday visa with about 2 years experience it will take a min of 6 months to even learn your job and then your gone, not very appealing for a company.

Theres work in all areas but experience and visa status play the bigger role i found

seek.com.au

markymark21

Yeh it would be easy enough to get work as some sort of restaurant/hotel supervisor back in Ireland. Maybe even an assistance or managers role if I was lucky. International experience goes a long way - especially in hospitality.

But I wouldn't be on near the money I'm on now so I think I'll stay put put for a while!

woolymammoth

karl bracken wrote: »

I found a lot of IT in Oz were looking for a minimum of 2 years experience and in a lot of cases residency.
If your on a working holiday visa with about 2 years experience it will take a min of 6 months to even learn your job and then your gone, not very appealing for a company.

Theres work in all areas but experience and visa status play the bigger role i found

seek.com.au

that's what agencis are for. Go through the likes of Hays, et. al., and as a temporary contractor, you're only needed for 6 months or less!

Pisco Sour

tower08 wrote: »

ya thats one thing me and my friends have realised after a few months here, such an effort to travel anywhere here for a weekend away, huge distances to travel and nothing new when you get there compared to at home where a two hour flight could bring you anywhere in europe to a completely different culture!

Wouldn’t 100% agree with the “nothing new” part of this statement. Culturally, yes, everything is pretty similar, but in terms of landscape this country couldn’t be ore varied. Head to the West Coast and travel up along the coast to Shark Bay, Coral Bay. Head through the Gibb River Road, Bungle Bungles, Kakadu, the Outback, Uluru. If you think all of that is the same as The Great Ocean Road, Tasmania, or the East Coast then you need your head examined.:D

jank

I think his point is that you get a varied and different type of landscapes/cultures all within relatively close distance. This cannot be said of OZ. Sure WA is different from Tasmania but its fecking days away if you travel by car/ferry. Go to europe, holland is different to belgium and france and germany and denmark and the UK. etc.

Pisco Sour

jank wrote: »

I think his point is that you get a varied and different type of landscapes/cultures all within relatively close distance. This cannot be said of OZ. Sure WA is different from Tasmania but its fecking days away if you travel by car/ferry. Go to europe, holland is different to belgium and france and germany and denmark and the UK. etc.

The way I look at it is that for landscape, wilderness and wildlife this country is one of the best places to travel in. The isolated beaches in WA are up there with what I have seen in Hawai’i and Brazil.

On the otherhand, for history, culture and architecture, this country hasn’t got a lot going on. Sure there is lots of Aboriginal culture and history, and you get a taste of this in Kakadu with the anchient rock art, but for the most part we have no access to experiencing these cultures and knowing about their history, and I don’t blame them for being so secretive, given what has been done to them over the last 200 years! Outside of this though, the architecture and history isn’t up to much. A cathedral that would make it onto a list of “Perth attractions” would be about as attractive as somebody’s house in Ireland, and probably not as old as the house where my old man grew up!!

I suppose you cant have it every way. Europe doesn’t come close to Australia in terms of amazing wildlife, and you will never get that incredible wilderness in Europe that the Outback has to offer, while in other areas Europe comes out on top.

I wouldn’t say no to Ryanair setting up down here though! Flight prices are stupidly expensive!

mandrake04

I have seen a few posts lately especially in AH about lack of culture in Australia, and it got me thinking.... really who gives a shit?

I like going to the beach, 4WD, boating, bushwalking, real camping & fishing (none of this softcock crap you back home). Personally I like doing outdoor stuff myself and Australia is definitely the place to do it, I wouldn't really be that interested in watching other people weave baskets or painting their faces and praying to Krishna.

Fair enough some people get a hardon from learning some naff language, looking at old buildings and trying 3000 different types of pasta. Europe is great for all that crap but for some people its hard to beat the feel of sand between your toes and getting out into wilderness.... and I wouldn't be alone.

Jagera

I moved back in September and the number of job offers I had was more than ever.

There's a few reasons for this, firstly I'm in IT with 14 years experience, plus the field within IT that I'm in is in high demand at the moment.

In 2009 I was looking for work here and it was slim pickings. In a year from now it could be the same again.

From what I've noticed, anyone with a good few years of good work experience will have a far better chance of landing something than a university leaver.

6ix

mandrake04 wrote: »

I have seen a few posts lately especially in AH about lack of culture in Australia, and it got me thinking.... really who gives a shit?

I like going to the beach, 4WD, boating, bushwalking, real camping & fishing (none of this softcock crap you back home). Personally I like doing outdoor stuff myself and Australia is definitely the place to do it, I wouldn't really be that interested in watching other people weave baskets or painting their faces and praying to Krishna.

Fair enough some people get a hardon from learning some naff language, looking at old buildings and trying 3000 different types of pasta. Europe is great for all that crap but for some people its hard to beat the feel of sand between your toes and getting out into wilderness.... and I wouldn't be alone.

I think the post above yours pretty much sums it up really.

I think it's a little bit foolish to think that because Australia is one of the best places in the world to do all the outdoor stuff (and it is) that you can only walk around art galleries and drink coffee outdoors in Europe. Think about the summer and winter activities that you can enjoy in the Alps, the great beaches of Greece, Italy, Malta etc.

Australia has tons to offer, some of it very unique, but there are also lots of unique things elsewhere. Like a lot of people, I enjoy going to new places and trying the local beer or food. I'm not some pretentious 'softcock' , I'm just an average guy who likes travelling around and enjoying doing and seeing things, be it diving in Australia, motorbiking in Vietnam, or drinking beer in Germany.

What people are trying to say is that a big bonus of living in Europe is that there are so many countries on your doorstep, with cheap flights it's easy to try new places and the food/beer/activities that goes along with them.

mandrake04

6ix wrote: »

I think the post above yours pretty much sums it up really.

I think it's a little bit foolish to think that because Australia is one of the best places in the world to do all the outdoor stuff (and it is) that you can only walk around art galleries and drink coffee outdoors in Europe. Think about the summer and winter activities that you can enjoy in the Alps, the great beaches of Greece, Italy, Malta etc.

Australia has tons to offer, some of it very unique, but there are also lots of unique things elsewhere. Like a lot of people, I enjoy going to new places and trying the local beer or food. I'm not some pretentious 'softcock' , I'm just an average guy who likes travelling around and enjoying doing and seeing things, be it diving in Australia, motorbiking in Vietnam, or drinking beer in Germany.

What people are trying to say is that a big bonus of living in Europe is that there are so many countries on your doorstep, with cheap flights it's easy to try new places and the food/beer/activities that goes along with them.

Fair enough its each to their own I suppose, I been around a fair bit of Europe and to be honest looking back I found it cold & pretty boring but then that's just me. I am actually going to Germany for 3 weeks training later this year but I will be making use of the weekends meeting up with family and friends either in Ireland or Holland or something. My wife keeps banging on about going to Paris but I would rather circumcise myself with a rusty nail than go there, its full of French and I f**king hate the French.... I still haven't forgotten Henry's handball.

catbear

I love the outdoor culture but agree that cultual variety is harder to access. I'm going to save up for another big touring holiday in a few years.

markymark21

mandrake04 wrote: »

My wife keeps banging on about going to Paris but I would rather circumcise myself with a rusty nail than go there, its full of French and I f**king hate the French.... I still haven't forgotten Henry's handball.

Fact right there. Difficult bunch of people to work with..massive egos

CiaranC

mandrake04 wrote: »

Fair enough its each to their own I suppose, I been around a fair bit of Europe and to be honest looking back I found it cold & pretty boring but then that's just me.

Yeah its freezing and boring in Saint Tropez, Dubrovnik, Porto and Florence alright.

Screws the fountains of Rome and the Louvre, lets have a barbie on the beach and talk about how much we hate various races instead!



P.S. I was talking to the French and they said they hate you too

myflipflops

How did a thread about whether people would get work on returning to Ireland turn into this??

Zambia

MOD okay I should have got this thread back on track sooner my bad. The topic is if you could get a job back in Ireland if you return. Somewhere along the line it turned into the old Aus Vs Europe thing.

All posts of that nature have been deleted. Some posters have been infracted or warned.

Anyone wants a Aus vs Europe living standards just start one up.


EDIT at a posters request some have been undeleted