Copa Del Rey Second Leg - El Classico - Camp Nou 25th January

Davaeo09

Tomorrow night see's the continuation of last weeks dramatic tie, between Spains big two. Kick off is at 21.00

Barca lead 2-1 after the match in Madrid last week. 2 vital away goals!

I'm not going to do a big introduction to this game or any thing. Every one know's what to expect at this stage..
But please, please, please can you folks at least keep it to talk of the actual game. Thank you.

joshrogan

I want Madrid to win but I think they'll collapse and lose heavily.

dfx-

Tie far from over. I see something similar to the CL 2nd leg. Barcelona looking to see it out, Madrid scoring and then all bets are off. Wouldn't rule out Madrid going through yet.

Turtwig

Can't wait to see if Pepe plays or not and the reaction he's given.

Davaeo09

Jernal wrote: »

Can't wait to see if Pepe plays or not and the reaction he's given.

If he steps foot on the field I fully expect the Blaugrana faithful to tear him a new one..

I expect a more even, fluid game tomorrow night than we had last week.
I can't wait for it now

Oh team news for Barca, Pedro is back in the squad

Warper

Barcelona are simply a better team than Real and will progress.

Jelle1880

Didn't want to create a new topic, but in the other game Mirandes (3rd division) knocked out Espanyol with a 93rd minute winner, fans all over the pitch

Bodhisopha

Comfortable Barca victory.

SeantheMan

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Didn't want to create a new topic, but in the other game Mirandes (3rd division) knocked out Espanyol with a 93rd minute winner, fans all over the pitch

Cost me over 200 euros with that last minute goal

dfx-

Davaeo09 wrote: »

If he steps foot on the field I fully expect the Blaugrana faithful to tear him a new one..

I surprised they haven't before

electrobanana

SeantheMan wrote: »

Cost me over 200 euros with that last minute goal

I feel your pain ruined my accumulator the feckers:(

Davaeo09

Great article here..
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/andy-mitten/why-madrid-fans-remain-restless-201100565.html#more-id

eagle eye

Hopefully we get none of the silly stuff that ruined the first game. Gonna tune in anyways but I'll turn it off if they start that stupid diving rubbish again.

NUTZZ

I would love to see a Madrid win here but I can't see anything other than a Barca one. Madrid are one of the few teams who can actually put it up to Barca but they seem afraid of them of them anytime they play, especially when they take the lead.

CongoPowers

I predict another Barça win.

also hoping Pepe gets a ban this morning. not because he would influence the game in their favour, but because he really, really deserves it.

LuckyLloyd

eagle eye wrote: »

Hopefully we get none of the silly stuff that ruined the first game. Gonna tune in anyways but I'll turn it off if they start that stupid diving rubbish again.

The first leg was intolerable. Hopefully both sides can kop on and try to behave with a semblence of manliness over the 90 minutes.

_blank_

I hope Madrid win. By any means necessary.

Davaeo09

Des wrote: »

I hope Madrid win. By any means necessary.

They will try...


Can't stand the thuggery of Madrid and Mou when compared to the class of Barca and Pep.

Quote fro Pep when quizzed last night about his thoughts on Pepe and Madrids robust approach "“Since I was a boy, I was taught that if there is kicking in a match, it’s because you are playing too slowly. We have to play fast to avoid contact,” Guardiola said. “Let’s leave Pepe alone. He’ll play if Mourinho so decides. Let’s hope for a beautiful game. You have to forget the past.”
Legend

LuckyLloyd

Davaeo09 wrote: »

They will try...


Can't stand the thuggery of Madrid and Mou when compared to the class of Barca and Pep.

Quote fro Pep when quizzed last night about his thoughts on Pepe and Madrids robust approach "“Since I was a boy, I was taught that if there is kicking in a match, it’s because you are playing too slowly. We have to play fast to avoid contact,” Guardiola said. “Let’s leave Pepe alone. He’ll play if Mourinho so decides. Let’s hope for a beautiful game. You have to forget the past.”
Legend

They are equally classless, you just can't process that fact for whatever reason.

GavRedKing

Another El Classico that will no doubt leave a bitter taste in the mouth.

Hoping for a bit of football without the kicking and the theatrics but that looks very unlikely really.

I'd like Real to win and go through but I dont think it will happen.

NinjaK

Come on Barca! Best team to watch in the world!!

Davaeo09

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

They are equally classless, you just can't process that fact for whatever reason.

Nah mate you really have to stop thinking you know Barca when clearly you don't. Watching 10-12 of their games through-out a season doesn't give you the right to come onto these classico threads and call Barca what you like. Well actually, sorry you do have the right. But by only using diving as an example your looking hideously bitter.

Fact of the matter is, Barca beat most teams comfortably, and that's because most teams do not go out to kick Barca off the pitch, they come to play football and obey the laws of the game.

When Madrid come out and start kicking out, Barca dive.. We've been through this a million and one times. Diving is not some thing we see from Barca week in week out, it's almost only in games against a Mou ran team (Chelsea back 4 or 5 years ago, then Inter and now Madrid)

I remember all this talk going on before the United game last may.. Then Barca went out and spent the game playing pure class football and all they haters and nay-sayers seemed to vanish.

Both clubs bring out the worst in each other, but Madrid as a footballing institution, it is starting to become nothing more than a cauldron of jealousy towards Barca and the world, heck even their own fans have started to acknowledge the errors in their ways with Pepe and Ronaldo coming under some heavy criticism over the past few weeks.

Oh and @ Lloyd did you read the quote at the end of that from Pep? Can you honestly tell me that Mou, or Madrid have have the self respect, modesty or integrity Guardiola has? NOT A CHANCE

Any way, I am going to ask everyone to keep this about the game, possible line outs, score etc.

Lets leave the prejudice any one may have out... until after the game at least

LuckyLloyd

And when they dive, they lose all pretensions of class.

How about their pursuit of Fabregas? Classy bunch all told.

stesaurus

Real and Mourinho to finally get over their Barca mental block. They'll go out and attack and win by 2 goals. Barca won't know what hit them.

Wild prediction but I might just put a few quid on a Real qualification.

1mcampo1

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

And when they dive, they lose all pretensions of class.

How about their pursuit of Fabregas? Classy bunch all told.

Have to agree

With the Fab deal and when they turned on the sprinklers when Inter beat them at Nou Camp. Thats when i lost the respect i had for Barca. They seem have this notion that they are the above the law

Davaeo09

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

And when they dive, they lose all pretensions of class.

How about their pursuit of Fabregas? Classy bunch all told.

Ah come on now this again.. really? grave digging much?
Cesc wanted to leave Arsenal, and Arsenal would not budge. Barca added pressure, by a few bizzare statements and moments from close friends of Cesc's, who indeed done the Barca colours. But what I find ironic about it all is just how happy Cesc is now at Barca. You could see it from his first match in the Barca colours, he is now where he wants to be. Surrounded by the friends he grew up with, in his home city. Not stranded in a London club that's gone from the sublime to the ridiculous in a few short seasons.

And as for the diving, do you read my post? do you read any body elses but your own? I have accepted that it is a problem with Barcelona, with some players more than others. But it goes on every where in the sport mate. And as I have tried to make clear.. Barca never roll around the way they do against Madrid, against any other team! Hence we are back to whole Madrid approach to the game. Did you see the second leg of the super cupa last August? Up until the 78th minute Madrid had come to play football, they did superbly and the game was unreal! As soon as they started kicking out the game descended into the type of classico we have come to know.

In a nut shell it comes down to this, the Classicos were always a heated affair, but since Mou has arrived he has really taken the biscuit.

Davaeo09

1mcampo1 wrote: »

Have to agree

With the Fab deal and when they turned on the sprinklers when Inter beat them at Nou Camp. Thats when i lost the respect i had for Barca. They seem have this notion that they are the above the law

Sorry for the double post..

Okay I conveniently forgot about the sprinklers

But how is that any better/worse than some of the challenges Mou has instructed his hatchet men to commit? In many cases against their fellow country men and national team mates?
How is it worse than Mou eye gouging Tito Vilanova for absolutely no reason?

This is going to be my last post in this thread until during/after the game

I despise Madrid, and more so Mou who has this personal vendetta in trying to destroy Barca where he once actually worked.
But all the Barca hating stems from a bitterness for the best team I guess.

_blank_

Davaeo09 wrote: »

I despise Madrid,

that isn't obvious at all.

brick tamland

Whats this the 10th or 11th El Classico in the last 18 months or so? Its going the way of the old firm and the game is being devalued by how often it played. Its getting a bit boring now

Cant see anything but a easy Barca win, hopefully there is none of the rubbish that’s spoiled the last few for me

carlop

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

They are equally classless, you just can't process that fact for whatever reason.

They both lack class, but I think Barca are the lesser of two evils because they do at least try to play football when the sides meet.

Last year I probably would have agreed with you, but I think the Clasico's this year have tipped it.

Barca went a goal down in the first League game. Response: Keep playing their game, work their way back into it and put in a great performance (with a few spots of regrettable theatre along the way).

Madrid have repeatedly resorted to kicking lumps out of Barca whenever they have been struggling in a Clasico this season. Barca may exaggerate the effects, but to be honest at times I don't begrudge them doing it.

I honestly can't blame Messi for rolling around on the floor after Coentrao tapped him on the head. He'd been kicked and stamped on all game and seen no action taken against the perpetrators. He shouldn't have done it, but I can understand it.

Pepe, Ramos, Lass, Marcelo, Carvalho, Arbeloa and Di Maria > Alves, Busquets, Alexis, Cesc and Pique in the d1ckhead stakes by a couple of lengths.

Personally, I hope Athletic Bilbao (or Mirandes, who in Pablo Infanta have easily the best banker/footballer in the world) win the cup and score a victory for the 'Big Heart'tm

karma_

Des wrote: »

I hope Madrid win. By any means necessary.

Des wrote: »

that isn't obvious at all.

Some neck on you so there is. What's obvious is your hypocrisy, on one hand you chastise City fans for defending their own club and come out with tripe like this.

_blank_

karma_ wrote: »

Some neck on you so there is. What's obvious is your hypocrisy, on one hand you chastise City fans for defending their own club and come out with tripe like this.

Why are you attacking me personally?

1mcampo1

Davaeo09 wrote: »

Sorry for the double post..

Okay I conveniently forgot about the sprinklers

But how is that any better/worse than some of the challenges Mou has instructed his hatchet men to commit? In many cases against their fellow country men and national team mates?
How is it worse than Mou eye gouging Tito Vilanova for absolutely no reason?

This is going to be my last post in this thread until during/after the game

I despise Madrid, and more so Mou who has this personal vendetta in trying to destroy Barca where he once actually worked.
But all the Barca hating stems from a bitterness for the best team I guess.

Turning on sprinklers after a game is just classless.

Barca think that their way is the way to play football. Yes, it very easy on the eye but they just reek of football snobbery

Davaeo09

CANT WE ALL JUST GET A LONG? :rolleyes:

Seriously though, this is a sport that invariably brings out strong opinions. We all have our different ideals, and some of us look for some thing different in a team/club or match.

I know I am fooling myself when I try to convince people to like Barcelona. But it confuses me when some people on here have such a firm dislike for Barcelona based on there diving, when
A. They do not do it any more frequently that any of Europes other top sides, unless Madrid are fouling them out of the game. Which I do not like, but it has to be done..
B. Barca have actually only been given 2 penalties in La Liga this season, Madrid have been given 9. Surely this says some thing?
C. Simulation and play acting is a problem with the sport, not with this one club as many of you would love to believe.


And again lads can we stop with the handbags in all seriousness?
This is supposed to be a match thread but as per usual when both these clubs are involved the chat focuses purely on the negatives, when in fact amidst all the theatrics and thuggery there is plenty of good football still on offer

Davaeo09

1mcampo1 wrote: »

Turning on sprinklers after a game is just classless.

Barca think that their way is the way to play football. Yes, it very easy on the eye but they just reek of football snobbery

What makes you think they are snobby? If any thing i'd say some of these Barca players are very down to earth for sport-celebrities
Iniesta is hardly extravagant to say the least
Xavi spends his free times hiking the local hills, and picking musrooms...
Abidal is an absolute gent and recently visited a hospital to see a young child who is also struggling with cancer...
Honestly, part of what makes me love some of these players is how, un-celebrity they are bar maybe Pique(Shakira), Alves, Messi and Villa. They stay out of the media as best they can and do their talking on the pitch, and that's before we even start on Pep, who in my opinion is one very careful, dignified individual who just seems to rise above all the nonsense from the Spanish press.

LuckyLloyd

carlop wrote: »

They both lack class, but I think Barca are the lesser of two evils because they do at least try to play football when the sides meet.

Last year I probably would have agreed with you, but I think the Clasico's this year have tipped it.

Barca went a goal down in the first League game. Response: Keep playing their game, work their way back into it and put in a great performance (with a few spots of regrettable theatre along the way).

Madrid have repeatedly resorted to kicking lumps out of Barca whenever they have been struggling in a Clasico this season. Barca may exaggerate the effects, but to be honest at times I don't begrudge them doing it.

I honestly can't blame Messi for rolling around on the floor after Coentrao tapped him on the head. He'd been kicked and stamped on all game and seen no action taken against the perpetrators. He shouldn't have done it, but I can understand it.

Pepe, Ramos, Lass, Marcelo, Carvalho, Arbeloa and Di Maria > Alves, Busquets, Alexis, Cesc and Pique in the d1ckhead stakes by a couple of lengths.

Personally, I hope Athletic Bilbao (or Mirandes, who in Pablo Infanta have easily the best banker/footballer in the world) win the cup and score a victory for the 'Big Heart'tm

Well, this is a more reasonable opinion because it doesn't shy away from the reality that both sides are engaging in unseemly behaviour.

As for the last bit, well, as you can imagine I'm on board.

IrishKev

brick tamland wrote: »

Whats this the 10th or 11th El Classico in the last 18 months or so? Its going the way of the old firm and the game is being devalued by how often it played. Its getting a bit boring now

Cant see anything but a easy Barca win, hopefully there is none of the rubbish that’s spoiled the last few for me

There can never be too many El Classicos in my opinion. The quality of football on show is just top class, I can't get over how good it is to watch. Compare it to Utd v Arsenal or City v Chelsea and it just shows the gulf of talent there is between the two.

1mcampo1 wrote: »

Turning on sprinklers after a game is just classless.

Barca think that their way is the way to play football. Yes, it very easy on the eye but they just reek of football snobbery

Yeah but their way is the way to play football, the way they just break down teams is just genius. They just pass it around until they see the tiniest of gaps, and then exploit it. Look at the goals they score, there's rarely one that isn't brilliant.
As for snobbery, I know Busquets might have a dive here and there, but do people actually think Barca are the bad guys here? Look at the treatment Messi got last week from Pepe and the rest. They just resort to the lowest of the low when things aren't going their way. We saw nothing like that from Barca when Real went a goal up, they just continued playing their usual game and eventually they got the breakthrough. Messi is the best player in the world, and he seems the most humble on the pitch when he plays too. Compare Messi to Ronaldo, who justs acts like the world's greatest d!ck on the pitch with his hair gel and his fake tan, and there's no doubt in the world who the bigger snob is.

Bodhisopha

Last weeks game was fantastic i thought. It got a bit silly for 10 or so mins but all told it was enthralling. Too much whining on these threads of late. The same people whining before the last game, that whined after the last game that are whining again before this game. You'll be sure to tune in again though, wontcha??

Best fixture in world football, the more the merrier. Hope they meet in the CL final too.

dfx-

I do think the game is perfectly set up, Madrid can't sit back and hope to win 0-1 on the counter, they do have to score twice.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

They are equally classless, you just can't process that fact for whatever reason.

You equate kicking people and trampling on them and trying to cause serious injury with Barcelona. Great to know what angle you're coming from.

Third_Echelon

Busquets and Mascherano are pretty bad. Apart from that in the Barca team, it's no more than any other team or player.... It happens in Spain, England, everywhere.

Sure look at Rooney against Arsenal last week! Suarez at Liverpool! Rooney has done it a good few times over his career! I don't see the same people moaning about it on this thread or any other Barca/Madrid/LaLiga thread highlighting such players with the same level of criticism...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ_64TSI3rA

I would imagine Barca will win the match tonight by 1 or 2.

LuckyLloyd

dfx- wrote: »

You equate kicking people and trampling on them and trying to cause serious injury with Barcelona. Great to know what angle you're coming from.

Cheating is still cheating bro

Davaeo09

Third_Echelon wrote: »

Busquets and Mascherano are pretty bad. Apart from that in the Barca team, it's no more than any other team or player.... It happens in Spain, England, everywhere.

Sure look at Rooney against Arsenal last week! Suarez at Liverpool! Rooney has done it a good few times over his career! I don't see the same people moaning about it on this thread or any other Barca/Madrid/LaLiga thread highlighting such players with the same level of criticism...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ_64TSI3rA

I would imagine Barca will win the match tonight by 1 or 2.

They should win any way.. after all the are the best team in the world
They will silence all the haters/doubters once again tonight, just you wait world

dfx-

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Cheating is still cheating bro

Yeah, but all cheating is not equal, sir

RasTa

Third_Echelon wrote: »

Sure look at Rooney against Arsenal last week! Suarez at Liverpool! Rooney has done it a good few times over his career! I don't see the same people moaning about it on this thread or any other Barca/Madrid/LaLiga thread highlighting such players with the same level of criticism...



I would imagine Barca will win the match tonight by 1 or 2.

It's this type of stuff that pisses me off the most when watching both teams play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnNWd5IstXc

Blatter

dfx- wrote: »

Yeah, but all cheating is not equal, sir

Punishment isn't fair when it comes to the cheating either.

Cards are regularly given for aggressive foul play and violent conduct. Unfortunately little to nothing is done about the persistent diving and feigning injury, and teams like to exploit this. Some team more than others.

Third_Echelon

RasTa wrote: »

It's this type of stuff that pisses me off the most when watching both teams play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnNWd5IstXc

Yeah Mascherano.

He was a cynical twat at Liverpool. He still is at Barca!

Paul Tergat

There arent many who disagree that Barca are the best team about and play amazing footie. However, the antics of a good few of their players really takes some of the edge off that.

dfx-

Blatter wrote: »

Punishment isn't fair when it comes to the cheating either.

Indeed, yellow cards are often given instead of red, or no card at all.

Blatter

dfx- wrote: »

Indeed, yellow cards are often given instead of red, or no card at all.

Well that is a lot better than the practical zilch punishment given for the simulation cheating.

barone

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

And when they dive, they lose all pretensions of class.

How about their pursuit of Fabregas? Classy bunch all told.

and what of fabregas's pursuit of a return home??

hardly barca's doing that one..

staker

Madrid to have a man sent off early on, Barca to run riot 4-1, only cos Real can score on the counter.

Sticking my neck out:D