Rappers?

Shapey Fiend

With rap it's hard to develop technique for a ton of reasons I sort of went into in the Lecs Luther topic. If you're going to rap in your own accent (which is the right thing to do) then you're going to have to develop your own cadence and delivery style. Copying American rappers can often work against you and then you have to spend ages trying to get rid of the yank sounding aspect which makes an Irish person seem like a wigger.

As I said before with Irish rap you have to go through a long teething period of sounding embarrassing before you get good enough to sound credible. It's just a symptom of there not being a ton of Irish rappers. The American rap beginners just jack some other American rapper for a couple of years before they develop their own style so they sound generic rather than cringey.

baddebt

anishboi wrote: »

Anyone do a bitta homemade rap/hip hop?

I experiment with it, I haven't got the best mic or software but I'm only starting out and I thought I'd show ye some stuff anyway.

I haven't made my own songs yet but I have covered other songs. I have done two Linkin Park covers, here's my rap cover of Linkin Park's best song "In The End". Check out my other tune "Faint" as well.

As I said, bear with the quality :):)

If you do any hip hop stuff at home yourself, please reply to this thread, I wanna hear it! Cheers.

pretty cool effort there dude , keep it up
I couldn't wrap a xmas present , I tried on the night of my stag , I had a go at too $horts tune paystyles ..........got a bit of praise for that , but I was totally sh1t-faced ,
haven't really got the b'lls to try now tho , i hate the sound of my own voice

Boom_Bap

Everyones got to start somewhere. The benefits that I see from this type of approach is that you learn more about rhyme pattern and delivery and timing.
What annoys the crap out of me is verses that are structurally all over the place, there is a kind of battle thread on this forum that has countless examples of this and made me chuckle to myself. Say for example, the first few lines of a verse are 4 or 5 words. Then the last few lines are 11-12 words. How in the name of jaysus can that actually be delivered in the same time unless you are Busta, Twista or Mac Lethal.

Then there are the verses that look some thing like this:

word word word word word word
word
word word word
word word word
word word word
word word word word word
word word word word word word word
word word word word word word word word
word
word word word word
word
word word
word word word word word word word word word word word word

This sounds completel.y ridiculous in most cases and the mc is racing to get to the end of a line, and doesnt have the breath control to get to the next.

So I guess what I'm saying is that by covering other peoples songs, you are getting a feeling for the structure of lines and how things should sound.

Keep it simple to start, get more complex as you go along if you think you can.

anishboi

A few people are saying that I shoul make my own rhymes rather than cover someone else's. Well I'll have a new song of my own recorded soon, it's partially about our economy so you can all relate to it

Anyway I found a good instrumental on YouTube I could use. I'll upload when it's done, stay tuned!

anishboi

Malice wrote: »

This doesn't make sense to me. Wouldn't it be easier for people to judge your merits if they didn't first compare you (intentionally or not) to whatever vocalist you're covering?

Yeah many people have different views on this, but I'm going to make a tune of my own anyway so it can be judged too.
:pac::pac::pac:

Malice

anishboi wrote: »

Yeah many people have different views on this, but I'm going to make a tune of my own anyway so it can be judged too.
:pac::pac::pac:

Great, can't wait to hear it!

Hatred

It's true you can't judge someones rapping ability if they do a cover. Hip Hop is all about style and originality, doing your own thing. Like others have said it takes time to get your own style, so till then its ok to take influences and sounds from other MCs.

Here's some irish Hip hop from some lads I know:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS0XU_tf8GE

If your serious about rapping then I'd be glad to make a beat for you. Here's something I cooked up the other day, if you can flow over it and rap then feel free to message me the finished piece.
http://soundcloud.com/lethal-dosage/space-invaders-16bars

anishboi

Hatred wrote: »

It's true you can't judge someones rapping ability if they do a cover. Hip Hop is all about style and originality, doing your own thing. Like others have said it takes time to get your own style, so till then its ok to take influences and sounds from other MCs.

Here's some irish Hip hop from some lads I know:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS0XU_tf8GE

If your serious about rapping then I'd be glad to make a beat for you. Here's something I cooked up the other day, if you can flow over it and rap then feel free to message me the finished piece.
http://soundcloud.com/lethal-dosage/space-invaders-16bars

Cool man I'd be happy to flow a rhyme over your beat for ya It won't be the best quality (as I said a few times I don't have the best software) but I'll mail you the track when it's done :cool: :cool:

anishboi

Is Lethal dosage your account on Soundcloud? You've some good stuff!

Hugh Cream

Hatred wrote: »

It's true you can't judge someones rapping ability if they do a cover. Hip Hop is all about style and originality, doing your own thing. Like others have said it takes time to get your own style, so till then its ok to take influences and sounds from other MCs.

Here's some irish Hip hop from some lads I know:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS0XU_tf8GE

http://soundcloud.com/lethal-dosage/space-invaders-16bars

i agree with that to an extent but by the same token who is original, the guys in the video posted dont sound original, in fact they sound like every other irish guy trying to rap.
(oh, and before im asked im not posting examples)
originality and style do play a part but i wouldnt say its all about that, it really is hard to be original imo, everything seems to have been done.
and theres definitely nothing original about irish hip hop so i wouldnt advise anyone that thats what they need to be.

in fact dont advise him what he needs to do, let him find his own path.

baddebt

anishboi wrote: »

Is Lethal dosage your account on Soundcloud? You've some good stuff!

oh yeah its an Amen for lethal

Shapey Fiend

Sons Phonetic don't sound like other Irish rap artists at all. I think they've got a lot of UKHH influence which gives them a different slant.

Most of the Irish artists that are good and actually have a proper sound aesthetic sound really different from each other. There isn't really any Irish hip hop sound in the general sense. MJEX have a sort of Anticon kind of sound. Lethal Dialect sounds a bit like Marcberg or something. Infomatics are on that higher tempo fast rapping kind of thing with live instrumentation.

Hugh Cream

Shapey Fiend wrote: »

Sons Phonetic don't sound like other Irish rap artists at all. I think they've got a lot of UKHH influence which gives them a different slant.

Most of the Irish artists that are good and actually have a proper sound aesthetic sound really different from each other. There isn't really any Irish hip hop sound in the general sense. MJEX have a sort of Anticon kind of sound. Lethal Dialect sounds a bit like Marcberg or something. Infomatics are on that higher tempo fast rapping kind of thing with live instrumentation.

every irish act sounds like someone else, a bad version of someone, so in that sense there is nothing original about irish hip hop.
Sons Phonetic sound like someone else, some other act, that is not their own sound, thats the point im making.

Nonsense.

Unless you want to make the same point about most american rappers and r&b singers too in the way most of them sound like someone else too.

But if you are singling out IHH (which is a very very broad genre) then that is just nonsense.

To say Rob Kelly sounds like anyone else is ridiculous, whereas you could make the point that MJEX sound similar to some other acts much like how you could say the same for 1000's of American artists. Sounding similar is not a bad thing though, it is influence not just black and white robbery of a style.

Hugh Cream

its nonsense that you would blindly defend something thats so obvious, it really is, why would you do that?
nothing about irish hip hop is original, the majority is awful, thats a given, they dont sound exactly like nas or whoever it is they are imitating, but they are imitating someone.
for you to say that is not the case is ridiculously stupid.

Hugh Cream

just because its in an irish accent doesnt mean it doesnt sound like it.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Sounding similar is not a bad thing though, it is influence not just black and white robbery of a style.

yes and it is not original.

Bobby Baccala

3 posts in 4 minutes replying to one comment, are you really that determined to prove him wrong when he actually isn't?

So you can not name any artist and you can not name who they are imitating but they are imitating someone somehow?

That is the worst and most generic argument ever.

Are you one of those people who only listens to rap from the Bronx? or Drake.

Hatred

Lads relax... When making music, which these guys do, it's not about copying. They MAY take influences' from others but their sound is their own and has been developed from years.

Saying that ALL irish hip hop sounds the same is frankly a lie. First off all sons phonetic's accents are distictly different from a more dublin sounding G.I. or Costello or even Lethal Dialect. The beats are made by different producers and as a producer myself I know that each persons style or sound preference is different.

Saying everyone sounds alike is like saying Beethoven sounds like Mozart.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

So you can not name any artist and you can not name who they are imitating but they are imitating someone somehow?

That is the worst and most generic argument ever.

Are you one of those people who only listens to rap from the Bronx? or Drake.

C'mon Connor are you this desperate to win an argument, your gonna try and argue Irish rappers are completely original, is that what your saying?

Hugh Cream

Hatred wrote: »

Lads relax... When making music, which these guys do, it's not about copying. They MAY take influences' from others but their sound is their own and has been developed from years.

Saying that ALL irish hip hop sounds the same is frankly a lie. First off all sons phonetic's accents are distictly different from a more dublin sounding G.I. or Costello or even Lethal Dialect. The beats are made by different producers and as a producer myself I know that each persons style or sound preference is different.

Saying everyone sounds alike is like saying Beethoven sounds like Mozart.

Again, forget accents, listen to the flow, technique, thats what I'm talking about, of course the accents are gonna be different.
Seriously, no disrespect intended but do people genuinely dumb down.
What I'm saying is fact, why confuse the situation, why defend something that is so obvious, really don't get you guys sometimes.

Hugh Cream

this developing bromance is cute lol.

3 more posts and you have given no examples. We have given examples because we actually have listened to IHH which you have clearly not.

If your point of view is so obvious why can you not give one solid example? Even one.

Here I will even make it easier, see the thread below this about the nu-centz and lupe song? Explain who nu-centz sounds like in that song or any other song you want.

Also nu-centz being one of many many Dublin rappers not to mention rappers from everywhere else in Ireland.

Bobby Baccala

Hugh Cream wrote: »

Again, forget accents, listen to the flow, technique, thats what I'm talking about, of course the accents are gonna be different.
Seriously, no disrespect intended but do people genuinely dumb down.
What I'm saying is fact, why confuse the situation, why defend something that is so obvious, really don't get you guys sometimes.

Basically I feel when people start using all those words it's just them showing the rest of us how well informed they are.
It's kind of like, look at me using all these words like technique, delivery, flow, content.
Aren't I clever, Im really into hip hop, probably more so than everyone else.

you wrote these exact words, in desperation to win an argument you're actually contradicting yourself, that's sad.

you're wrong, no two artists are the same, they all bring something different to the genre and it's simple as that but you can't accept it.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

3 more posts and you have given no examples. We have given examples because we actually have listened to IHH which you have clearly not.

If your point of view is so obvious why can you not give one solid example? Even one.

Here I will even make it easier, see the thread below this about the nu-centz and lupe song? Explain who nu-centz sounds like in that song or any other song you want.

Also nu-centz being one of many many Dublin rappers not to mention rappers from everywhere else in Ireland.

It's the worst argument ever, if you don't give examples what you are saying is not true.
Every ihh artist sounds like someone else, their rap patterns, how they flow, it all sounds familiar.
If you don't believe that to be the case just say so, do not avoid the obvius, and do not assume you're the king of hip hop knowledge either, it's childish.

You are making the claim, I have already given examples as have others.

You have given no examples, because you can not find any examples to back up your point.

anishboi

Nearly every single rapper in the world would have been influenced by another rapper in at least one form or another, unless you take the most original bands from the 80s onwards, like NWA or Wu Tang clan. Since the formation of these highly influential original bands, every other rapper will have taken bits and pieces out of their styles and passed them on.

Even Wu-tang and NWA took influences from earlier hip-hop acts and non hip-hop acts too.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

You are making the claim, I have already given examples as have others.

You have given no examples, because you can not find any examples to back up your point.

You have given no examples, I have claimed every Irish rappers flow, technique, rhyme pattern, wharever has been influenced by someone else, I have claimed Ihh is not original.
You have simply stated Dublin rappers do not sound like country rappers.
Nobody has categorily stated that ihh is original, because no one is stupid enough to say so.

Don't be fooled into thinking your making sense just because your new best mate is high fiveing you every time you post.