High Court grants order to evict Occupy London

Permabear

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KeithAFC

A good decision IMO. It was getting out of hand.

20Cent

Sad day hope they set up somewhere else nearby.

prech101

A bad decision in my view.

also i thought the church had given permission for the protesters to be on there land and the bishop had actually resigned due to pressure put on him to evict by city officials.

Another strike at people rights to protest/assemble,, not to worry with the introduction of SOPA you will soon hear nothing of this!!! :P

DrumSteve

Anyone reckon this will happen with Occupy Dublin?

I pass them everyday and tbh I think they have outlived there purpose now (unfortunately).

RichieC

the great "libertarian" in defending liberty again, I see.

Chucky the tree

DrumSteve wrote: »

Anyone reckon this will happen with Occupy Dublin?

I pass them everyday and tbh I think they have outlived there purpose now (unfortunately).

Unless it grows really big then I doubt it.

RichardAnd

Freedom of speech perhaps? I don't think the occupy movement are causing anyone any harm. IF they were behaving in a bellicose manner, then there would be reason to move them on but I see no problem with what they do.

Incidentally Permabear, you once said that you have no issue with what others do as long as it doesn't infringe upon you. Given such a liberal stance, do the happening in a single square in London really bother you so?

Pride Fighter

I thought you were a Libertarian OP? Seems to me you're more authoritarian speaking like that.

Regarding the court moving them on, bad move. People should have the right to protest in a public space, regardless if it is technically on private property. It is not interfering in peoples rights to access that private property so is in no way a nuisance.

Permabear

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steelcityblues

I would like to see Permabear go to a Ron Paul rally and air those views, and see what the majority of the audience thought. :rolleyes:

Matt Holck

the government bail out actions has become an embarrassment

RichardAnd

Permabear wrote: »

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Well this is the post I was referring to, it stuck in my head as it was in response to something I said.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74971580&postcount=208

Specifically . . .

Fair enough. As a liberal, I generally espouse a "live-and-let-live" philosophy. I'm quite content to let my neighbors have gay sex, watch porn, smoke pot, and make millions trading on the stock market without demanding that the government step in and do something about this epidemic of sinful carnal abandon, gratuitous drug abuse, and wanton greed. In return, I ask only that they leave me alone when my behavior does not affect them.

Now I don't assume that that single paragraph is the sum of your beliefs but given what you said there, it makes me wonder what it about the Occupy Movement that you find so odious?

Matt Holck

the law (government) are in question

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20Cent

The Bank of England estimates that the total costs of bailing out the British financial system is £1.3tr. More than 10 times the entire NHS budget. 2 million people have lost their jobs since the start of the recession. 83 billion has been cut from public services in the UK. Banks mostly owned by the taxpayer and subsidised by them are still paying out excessive bonuses to the chosen few.

Some facts about the UK:
The top ten percent now have 100 times the wealth of the bottom ten percent.
The top ten percent earn 4.1 times the incomes of the bottom ten percent, with the top 1 percent more than 10 times. The same figure was 3.1 in 1961.
The average CEO earns 250 times the average cleaner.
Levels of social mobility are the lowest among all developed economies.

Nothing is being done to stop this happening again or to even tax or charge these banks.


Yeah the problem is someone blocking a footpath. :rolleyes:

Owen

RichardAnd wrote: »

I don't think the occupy movement are causing anyone any harm.

They are now. Most of the Occupy movements have a significant contigent of the Socialst Party on board, and most are now opening up 'Legal Advice Centres' preaching the Freeman nonsense. It's going to get a lot of people in trouble while those preaching don't feel the hurt from their words.

20Cent

Owen wrote: »

They are now. Most of the Occupy movements have a significant contigent of the Socialst Party on board, and most are now opening up 'Legal Advice Centres' preaching the Freeman nonsense. It's going to get a lot of people in trouble while those preaching don't feel the hurt from their words.

Any evidence of this?

Calling something socialist is the time honored way of trying to smear anything that challenges the status quo.

Owen

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76545956

Occupy Galway are promoting the Freeman crap on their FB Page, and Occupy Cork are following suit.

[EDIT] - you've posted in that thread, so you already know about it. But for some reason you think that them saying it on their FB page doesn't really mean anything? Or have I read your comment wrong? Apologies if I have.

RichieC

Far more people would raise their objections to "Mr bears" classist shoit if he didn't have "moderator" under his name.

20Cent

Owen wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76545956

Occupy Galway are promoting the Freeman crap on their FB Page, and Occupy Cork are following suit.

[EDIT] - you've posted in that thread, so you already know about it. But for some reason you think that them saying it on their FB page doesn't really mean anything? Or have I read your comment wrong? Apologies if I have.

Yeah I saw it. A shared story on facebook doesn't really constitute opening up a "legal advice center" imo. If posting stupid stuff on facebook was illegal we'd all be in jail.

Owen

Will be interesting to see what happens in Cork though, I'm past the camp twice a day, and I never see more than 4 people there. Lots of tents, but no people. Ironically, they look like some sort of dishevelled version of the property magnates we had here surveying their portfolio of 3 man tents.

Soldie

RichieC wrote: »

the great "libertarian" in defending liberty again, I see.

Far more people would raise their objections to "Mr bears" classist shoit if he didn't have "moderator" under his name.

Great contributions as ever.

Good loser

RichieC wrote: »

Far more people would raise their objections to "Mr bears" classist shoit if he didn't have "moderator" under his name.

You debate with him and when you lose you resort to abuse. Despicable.

RichardAnd

Good loser wrote: »

You debate with him and when you lose you resort to abuse. Despicable.

It's hardly abuse, to be fair.

prech101

Permabear wrote: »

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One could argue that the "city" within a city, the finance sector that is which has its own laws and security force are negatively impacting on public health and safety, law and order, and the local/world economy.

oscarBravo

RichardAnd wrote: »

It's hardly abuse, to be fair.

It's certainly ad hominem, which is a pretty pathetic form of argument.

Jonny7

20Cent wrote: »

The Bank of England estimates that the total costs of bailing out the British financial system is £1.3tr. More than 10 times the entire NHS budget. 2 million people have lost their jobs since the start of the recession. 83 billion has been cut from public services in the UK. Banks mostly owned by the taxpayer and subsidised by them are still paying out excessive bonuses to the chosen few.

Some facts about the UK:
The top ten percent now have 100 times the wealth of the bottom ten percent.
The top ten percent earn 4.1 times the incomes of the bottom ten percent, with the top 1 percent more than 10 times. The same figure was 3.1 in 1961.
The average CEO earns 250 times the average cleaner.
Levels of social mobility are the lowest among all developed economies.

Nothing is being done to stop this happening again or to even tax or charge these banks.

That's a bit "rich" coming from someone in the top 5% of the world, or wait, which college did you go to? could be the top 1%

Dr Galen

Any more insults, Ad Homs or general petty nonsense won't be tolerated.

A few have earned warnings already. Next step will be bans I'm afraid

Cheers

DrG

davoxx

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That's a bit "rich" coming from someone in the top 5% of the world, or wait, which college did you go to? could be the top 1%

oh so he is rich now?? wow, buy me a ferrai so, and pay for the road tax and insurance ... i'll even whip some serfs for you if you do!!

heaven forbid i or he should actually sympathise with societies worst off, those that are the pure filth, the 99%!!

that would be noblesse oblige would it not?

Permabear

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Dr Galen

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oh so he is rich now?? wow, buy me a ferrai so, and pay for the road tax and insurance ... i'll even whip some serfs for you if you do!!

heaven forbid i or he should actually sympathise with societies worst off, those that are the pure filth, the 99%!!

that would be noblesse oblige would it not?

Did you need read my previous warning? In the post just before this?

Yet you post the above?

3 days off

Cheers

DrG

20Cent

Permabear wrote: »

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Therein lies the problem. If you or I were to sell a product we knew was junk as triple A 100% safe we'd end up in court. If we were to also take out insurance so when the product failed we'd get a second payday then that would also land us in court. This is pretty much what happens in the City of London and Wall st yet nothing happens. Either the laws are not enforced or they are not there. Either way its wrong. They do stuff that would make Del Boy blush with impunity. If the damage was just amongst themselves it would be ok but the rest of society are paying for it. To top it off they are giving themselves multi million pound bonuses while the rest of society suffers cuts in pay and services to bail them out.

Combating this requires firstly that people become aware about what is happening and campaign for action to be taken. This is what Occupy is about.

Permabear

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20Cent

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For a guy who thinks government is the root of all evil you sure love government rules and regulations when it suits. A protest is different to living in the place I wish some Ron Paul supporters would speak up and join it. The right wing have been silent for the whole crisis.

Valmont

20Cent wrote: »

The right wing have been silent for the whole crisis.

What crisis would this be?

AlekSmart

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On that sorta topic,does the UK High Court process still rank as precedent under Irish Law ?

It would sure be cost effective if the various Irish Co Co's were able to let their Britannic Majesties Judiciary do the legal legwork to rid us of these troublesome agitators instead of lumbering the ever dwindling contributory classes with the costs of the operations ??

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Denerick

About time. I see no reason why a pack of cranks and crusties should be given special kid glove treatment. They were occupying a public space, substituting the visual spectacle of an 'occupation' for reasoned public discourse, and generally being annoying and getting in the way. They are utterly irrelevant and laughable, and now must find a way to win in the marketplace of ideas. This is something they will find impossible, otherwise they never would have had to resort to a PR stunt such as occupying a prime patch of central London.

Hope this happens in Dublin too. They can hold public meetings, write letters, have demonstrations, engage people on an intellectual level... They have every civil and political liberty that would enable them to engage positively with civil society - I really don't see why the average citizen should have to tolerate this excessive level of public disturbance and sillyness.

This in no way contradicts my social liberalism. These cretins have had ample time to make a political point. People, by and large, still find them utterly laughable and irrelevant. They will have to resort to traditional means to make a political point. Such as reasoned political discourse. Good luck with that.

The mid 19th century English radicals - the chartists, for example - didn't need to occupy a patch of land outside St. Pauls to make their point. They formed a mass civil coalition, combining direct action with parliamentary agitation, and eventually completely altered the face of British politics.

How they must turn in their graves as they gaze upon their 'modern incarnations'.

FreudianSlippers

AlekSmart wrote: »

On that sorta topic,does the UK High Court process still rank as precedent under Irish Law ?

Post-1922 case law is persuasive but non-binding on Irish Courts. Very useful if no precedent exists in Irish law; but again, the Courts are not bound to follow it.

RDM_83 again

Denerick wrote: »

About time. I see no reason why a pack of cranks and crusties.

These cretins have had ample time to make a political point..

Wow you sound soooo liberal* :rolleyes: A reasoned debater doesn't need to stoop to the level insult to get their point across

ps the Charterists were involved in a number of violent incidents and used mass meetings and general strikes (if they protested now they'd need police permission)


* And I don't even particularly care about occupy movements themselves.

20Cent

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Any evidence for the bits in bold?

Yes I actually am for freedom of speech so would respect the rights on any group to have their voice heard and stay for as long as they like.

20Cent

Does anyone else find it bizarre that a relatively small group of people have been able to crash the worlds economy enriching themselves greatly and causing harm to millions. Yet the only people to see the inside of a court or jail cell is those protesting!!

FreudianSlippers

A) I see no bold
You truly believe it is acceptable for any group with an agenda to commandeer not only public but private property? This really speaks to the entitlement complex of the occupiers and SW class of Ireland.

RichardAnd

20Cent wrote: »

Does anyone else find it bizarre that a relatively small group of people have been able to crash the worlds economy enriching themselves greatly and causing harm to millions. Yet the only people to see the inside of a court or jail cell is those protesting!!

Indeed, it makes you wonder just how "crazy" some so called conspiracy theorists really are.

Anyway, I wonder how the Occupy protesters will be moved on in London. I'm reminded of the following:

Link

or this



Can two unarmed young women really cause so much harm?

FreudianSlippers

20Cent wrote: »

Does anyone else find it bizarre that a relatively small group of people have been able to crash the worlds economy enriching themselves greatly and causing harm to millions. Yet the only people to see the inside of a court or jail cell is those protesting!!

This shows exactly how the occupiers understand absolutely nothing to do with the economic crash or basic economics in general.

I'm sure all the hundreds of thousands of people who took subprime mortgages are totally innocent in all of this.

20Cent

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

A) I see no bold
You truly believe it is acceptable for any group with an agenda to commandeer not only public but private property? This really speaks to the entitlement complex of the occupiers and SW class of Ireland.

A) Edited it now
The group the London Occupiers were on is public property. I believe thats for the public to use yes.

"SW class"! FFS

20Cent

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

This shows exactly how the occupiers understand absolutely nothing to do with the economic crash or basic economics in general.

I'm sure all the hundreds of thousands of people who took subprime mortgages are totally innocent in all of this.

Those who took subprime mortgages are paying for them or losing their homes. Those who bundled them together sold them as triple A knowing they were crap and then took out insurance for an extra payday have made off like bandits with billions. Everyone else has been left with the tab.

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