Skilled – Recognised Graduate (Temporary) Visa (Subclass 476)

courty08

Has anyone gone on this visa? It seems to be for Engineering graduates. I am due to graduate from Civil Engineering this year and was thinking of getting this visa. It is an 18 month visa with no work restrictions or farm work required.

From reading on this and other sites I unerstand that it is hard for graduates to get engineering work on a WHV as they can only work for 6 months. Would this visa improve my chances of getting work as a Civil Engineer?

Any advice/opinion is greatly appreciated

memaul

i'm sure you probably know but just in case you dont:

you have to be a graduate from a recognised institute (no irish college on it) here is the list of the recognised institutes in europe:

Camborne School of Mines (University of Exeter) (UK)
Delft University of Technology (Netherlands)
HUT, Helsinki (Finland)
Imperial College London (UK)
Lulea University of Technology (Sweden)
Moscow State University (Russia)
RWTH, Aachen (Germany)
St Petersburg State University (Russia)
Technology University Aachen (Germany)
Technical University of Berlin (Germany)
Technical University of Clausthal (Germany)
TU Bergakademie Freiberg (Germany)
TU Berlin (Germany)
TU Kosice (Slovakia)
University of Birmingham (UK)
University of Bristol (UK)
University of Hannover (Germany)
University of Leeds (UK)
University of Liverpool (UK)
University of Manchester (UK)
University of Miskolc (Hungary)
University of Nottingham (UK)
University of Portsmouth (UK)
University of Southampton (UK)
Wroclaw University of Technology (Poland)

edkiely

I know this is an old post but I just want to let ye know that Irish institutes are recognised. Here they are:

• Athlone Institute of Technology (AIT)
• Cork Institute of Technology (CIT)
• Dublin City University (DCU)
• Institute of Technology, Carlow (ITC)
• Institute of Technology, Sligo (ITS)
• Institute of Technology, Tallaght (ITT)
• National University of Ireland, Galway (NUIG)
• National University of Ireland, Maynooth (NUIM)
• University College, Cork (UCC)
• University College, Dublin (UCD)
• University of Dublin, Trinity College (TCD)
• University of Limerick (UL)
• Waterford Institute of Technology (WIT)

Was hoping to get this visa myself but doing an IT course. Looks I'll be looking for another way out of here.

ifeelill

edkiely wrote: »

I know this is an old post but I just want to let ye know that Irish institutes are recognised. Here they are:

• Athlone Institute of Technology (AIT)
• Cork Institute of Technology (CIT)
• Dublin City University (DCU)
• Institute of Technology, Carlow (ITC)
• Institute of Technology, Sligo (ITS)
• Institute of Technology, Tallaght (ITT)
• National University of Ireland, Galway (NUIG)
• National University of Ireland, Maynooth (NUIM)
• University College, Cork (UCC)
• University College, Dublin (UCD)
• University of Dublin, Trinity College (TCD)
• University of Limerick (UL)
• Waterford Institute of Technology (WIT)

Was hoping to get this visa myself but doing an IT course. Looks I'll be looking for another way out of here.

Can you source this info pls

Noo

ifeelill wrote: »

Can you source this info pls

My request also. I've come over as a graduate engineer, as have hundreds of other Irish and i haven't heard of anyone being on this visa. I looked this up before i left and only saw the the previously posted list with no Irish colleges. Very few countries have more than one college included and so many larger countries don't have any, that's why i find it hard to believe that all those Irish colleges are included.

Cooperspale

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/476/recognised-institutions.htm

Looks like its been updated, that's the thing with dept of immigration, requirements can change every 6 months or so.

Noo

Well there ya go! Shame i am a few months over the 2 year limit, woulda been a good back up plan if my sponsorship falls through.

ifeelill

Noo wrote: »

Well there ya go! Shame i am a few months over the 2 year limit, woulda been a good back up plan if my sponsorship falls through.

What two year limit ?

irishmover

ifeelill wrote: »

What two year limit ?

"You must have completed your Engineering degree at a recognised institution in the last two years."

trippertds

Sounds good!

Does anyone know if you can get this visa after being on a 1st year holiday visa, then sponsored on a 457?

I'm still on the 457, but this would give more security if something goes wrong.

rapperboi58

I have three engineering related degrees including a masters and am wondering if anyone has this visa? I would just like to know if it is straightforward enough to apply for and get or what? And also if granted, is there a window of opportunity that it has to be used within? Like I think the Working Visa enables one to enter Australia for up to 12 months after getting the visa. Thanks.

hotboxaerox

edkiely wrote: »

I know this is an old post but I just want to let ye know that Irish institutes are recognised. Here they are:

• Athlone Institute of Technology (AIT)
• Cork Institute of Technology (CIT)
• Dublin City University (DCU)
• Institute of Technology, Carlow (ITC)
• Institute of Technology, Sligo (ITS)
• Institute of Technology, Tallaght (ITT)
• National University of Ireland, Galway (NUIG)
• National University of Ireland, Maynooth (NUIM)
• University College, Cork (UCC)
• University College, Dublin (UCD)
• University of Dublin, Trinity College (TCD)
• University of Limerick (UL)
• Waterford Institute of Technology (WIT)

Was hoping to get this visa myself but doing an IT course. Looks I'll be looking for another way out of here.

No Institute of Technology,Dublin (DIT)?!

ifeelill

hotboxaerox wrote: »

No Institute of Technology,Dublin (DIT)?!

Nope no sign of it. Thats odd, i thought DIT were the only IT with degree awarding powers. Seems strange that they would not be on the list. Glad i went to AIT :pac:

hotboxaerox

hopefully they sort that, id like to apply for this visa!

longhalloween

DKIT isn't there either

ifeelill

I gotta say i didn't expect to see AIT on it either so im not surprised that DKIT isn't on it.

trippertds

They made a printing error on the DIAC website & DIT is falsely listed under the UK university listings. You can see it on the list.

Anyone gonna apply for it? It's way better than the WHV if you have an Engineering degree

memaul

so has anyone applied for this visa?

Testament1

Gonna dig this one up again. Anyone got any experience with this visa or know anyone who applied for it. Currently in Australia myself on the 1st year WHV and am interested in applying for this so any info on it would be helpful.

Testament1

Anyone????

tower08

I would like some feedback on this visa also as i am looking into applying for it in the next few weeks.

It seems like a good option!

kevohmsford

I did not know about this visa either and would like to find out from people that may have used it.

Testament1

I applied for this visa last week so now I guess its just a matter of waiting. One thing thats bugging me is the "graduated within the last 2 years" bit. I graduated May 2 years ago so at the moment I'm within the 2 year time limit. However the immigration website says that it could take up to 7 months for the visa to be processed in which case I'd be over the 2 year time frame. So I'm wondering are they going to consider that 2 year thing on the basis of the date that the application was lodged or from when it goes to a case officer???

tower08

Id say it would be from the date the application was received by the DIAC.

I assume also that it would be 2 years from date of graduation not the date you completed your exams?

Testament1

tower08 wrote: »

I assume also that it wouldy be 2 years from date of graduation not the date you completed your exams?

Sorry that was my mistake in the previous post! For some reason I keep associating the end of exams with graduating!

DeclanClune

Hi guys,

Just to address some of the queries that are cropping up here -

We have lodged a number of these applications recently.
· Application is considered from the date that the application was received not the date it is being processed by a case officer.
· DIT is on the Irish list now – I guess they moved this over recently.
· You can apply for the visa so long as you have graduated within the last 2 years – so if you are on a working holiday visa (or even a sponsorship visa), you can apply for this so long as the 2 year timeframe has not passed.
· I would not go by the 7 months suggested timeframe given by DIAC – they often give timeframes that are way beyond what happens in practice.

Thanks,
Declan Clune

galwaynutter

hi ,
Would anyone know why GMIT is not on this list and will it be added any time soon .

tower08

DeclanClune wrote: »

Hi guys,

Just to address some of the queries that are cropping up here -

We have lodged a number of these applications recently.
· Application is considered from the date that the application was received not the date it is being processed by a case officer.
· DIT is on the Irish list now – I guess they moved this over recently.
· You can apply for the visa so long as you have graduated within the last 2 years – so if you are on a working holiday visa (or even a sponsorship visa), you can apply for this so long as the 2 year timeframe has not passed.
· I would not go by the 7 months suggested timeframe given by DIAC – they often give timeframes that are way beyond what happens in practice.

Thanks,
Declan Clune

Hi Declan,

With the applications you have lodged recently have any been granted yet?

I am just trying to find out the processing times as I applied for a 476 one month ago inside Australia and as it is an offshore visa, I am not eligible for a bridging visa.

I was given my 28 days notice in relation to my 457 so I will be leaving in the next couple of weeks and I am trying to gauge how long I will be out of the country for and see if I would be better off flying back to Ireland or just hanging out in Asia. If its actually going to take the full 7 monthsI would have no option but to head back to Ireland really.

Thanks

krustycustomer

Anybody know if bridging the 457 works with this visa?

I am graduating in July and would like to know if I should apply for the 457 and then apply for the 476 from oz or wait to go to oz with the 476 and forget about the 457.

Thanks

irishmover

krustycustomer wrote: »

Anybody know if bridging the 457 works with this visa?

I am graduating in July and would like to know if I should apply for the 457 and then apply for the 476 from oz or wait to go to oz with the 476 and forget about the 457.

Thanks

You need a company to sponsor you for the 457. But it is possible to be on a 457 and move to a 476. I would forget about the 457 altogether and get the 476 before going to Australia.

krustycustomer

Sorry I meant the WHV.

Should I a) go to oz now on a whv, then apply for the 476 in july

or b) forget the whv, apply for 476 in july and wait to go to oz until i get it.

Thanks

irishmover

krustycustomer wrote: »

Sorry I meant the WHV.

Should I a) go to oz now on a whv, then apply for the 476 in july

or b) forget the whv, apply for 476 in july and wait to go to oz until i get it.

Thanks

You've got until you're 31 to get the WHV so if that's quite a few years away I'd look at the 476 first and if that fails then the 417. You should get a job easier on the 476 in your area.

sebastianlieken

All this Visa malark is confusing me a tad,I just want to make sure i'm not missing anything.

I have an Engineering Degree from 2010. I intend on heading to australia in september of this year and having a proper go at it and try get a permanent job (and sponsorship)

Is a WHV my best (only?) option?

mandrake04

sebastianlieken wrote: »

All this Visa malark is confusing me a tad,I just want to make sure i'm not missing anything.

I have an Engineering Degree from 2010. I intend on heading to australia in september of this year and having a proper go at it and try get a permanent job (and sponsorship)

Is a WHV my best (only?) option?

476 is out the window as it's a graduate visa, you would have needed to have completed it in the last 2 years not 2010.

If you have real experience you could maybe obtain a skills assessment and apply for Permeant Residency skilled visa like 189 or 190. This will give you the freedom to apply for what ever job you want.


Looking for a permanent job on a WHV can be hard because of the 6 month restriction and after last year many reputable companies have changed their policies on sponsoring. Sponsorship is down about 40% compared to this time last year, although not impossible probably a lot harder now than it has been over the last 7 years.

NiallSORo

mandrake04 wrote: »

If you have real experience you could maybe obtain a skills assessment and apply for Permeant Residency skilled visa like 189 or 190. This will give you the freedom to apply for what ever job you want.

Sebastian

If your degree is accredited by a Washington or Sydney Accord signatory body then you can obtain a positive skills assessment from Engineers Australia without any subsequent experience. Then you might be able to apply for an independent 189 (or state-sponsored 190) skilled visa.

Check the Engineers Ireland site to see if your degree is/was accredited.

Bear in mind that you have less than 5 years experience it is likely you will need to do an IELTS English test to make the points threshold.

Regards
Niall O'Rourke
MARN 1277929

sebastianlieken

NiallSORo wrote: »

Sebastian

If your degree is accredited by a Washington or Sydney Accord signatory body then you can obtain a positive skills assessment from Engineers Australia without any subsequent experience. Then you might be able to apply for an independent 189 (or state-sponsored 190) skilled visa.

Check the Engineers Ireland site to see if your degree is/was accredited.

Bear in mind that you have less than 5 years experience it is likely you will need to do an IELTS English test to make the points threshold.

Regards
Niall O'Rourke
MARN 1277929

Ni Niall,

Yep, degree is accredited; aeronautical engineering from University fo Limerick

Are you saying that I need more than 5 years experience in industry, or that if I have less than 5 years experience that i'd need to do an english test?... how are they even related?

Is it an expensive / time consuming process to get a 189 / 190 ?

NiallSORo

sebastianlieken wrote: »

Are you saying that I need more than 5 years experience in industry, or that if I have less than 5 years experience that i'd need to do an english test?... how are they even related?

It's all to do with points.
You need at least 60 to be issued with an invitation to apply for these visas.
You can obtain a max of 30 for your age. You will get 15 for your degree. 3-5 years of relevant post-qual experience outside Australia gets you a max of 5 points. Extra 5 for the 190 visa if you are nominated.

So you will most likely need either the 10 points a 7.0 IELTS score gives you, or else the 20 points for a 8.0 score, to get over the 60 points line.

sebastianlieken wrote: »

Is it an expensive / time consuming process to get a 189 / 190 ?

AU$630 and 6-8 weeks for your skills assessment. If you have 65+ points you will probably get an invite to apply within 2 rounds (these invite rounds occur twice a month). AU$3,520 for the visa application. Then 3-4 months for the visa to be decided. Also ~AU$400 for medicals.
Those are the costs you will definitely incur. All as at today's date.

sebastianlieken

Is there a guideline of the points breakdown available somewhere?

if i'm 27, Aeronautical degree with honours, 4-5 years experience in industry, english is my first language, etc... I'd like to figure out what my points outcome would be before submitting for an assesment.

My second Dilema is whether It would be wiser to head over on a WHV for a year and see if I can get a job/sponsorship that way; this way I could see how I get on without dropping a few grand. Although it would be more likely to get work straight away if I were to have a 189 right? My sis lives there and i've been over a couple of time and I really like it, but the WHV idea seems to give me the oppertunity what it's like to live there.

thanks for all the great info so far by the way! awsome!

http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/occupations/a/aeronautical-engineer.htm#DESC

mandrake04

sebastianlieken wrote: »

Ni Niall,

Yep, degree is accredited; aeronautical engineering from University fo Limerick

Are you saying that I need more than 5 years experience in industry, or that if I have less than 5 years experience that i'd need to do an english test?... how are they even related?

Is it an expensive / time consuming process to get a 189 / 190 ?

You need a positive skills assessment and meet 60 points. Points are made up of Qualifications, age, experience.

3 years relevant experience gets you 5 points where as 5 years relevant experience gets you 10 and 8 years gets you 15.

If you are short of points you can do IELTS English test to get extra points you need 4x7.0 to get 10 points and 4x8.0 for 20 points.

Irish, UK, USA and Canadian passport on their own are deemed competent for English but have a value of 0 points.

sebastianlieken

NiallSORo wrote: »

AU$630 and 6-8 weeks for your skills assessment. If you have 65+ points you will probably get an invite to apply within 2 rounds (these invite rounds occur twice a month). AU$3,520 for the visa application. Then 3-4 months for the visa to be decided. Also ~AU$400 for medicals.
Those are the costs you will definitely incur. All as at today's date.

right so that's the bones of 3k sterling to me. doable I guess. Maybe a good investment actually seeing as it will probably get me a job very quickly.

the WHAT IF question.... $3520 for the application.... what if you're turned down!?!?! is that $3520 down the toilet!!??!

PS, I have a belgian passport.

NiallSORo

sebastianlieken wrote: »

Is there a guideline of the points breakdown available somewhere?

if i'm 27, Aeronautical degree with honours, 4-5 years experience in industry, english is my first language, etc... I'd like to figure out what my points outcome would be before submitting for an assesment.

My second Dilema is whether It would be wiser to head over on a WHV for a year and see if I can get a job/sponsorship that way; this way I could see how I get on without dropping a few grand. Although it would be more likely to get work straight away if I were to have a 189 right? My sis lives there and i've been over a couple of time and I really like it, but the WHV idea seems to give me the oppertunity what it's like to live there.

For sure, figure out whether you want to live here before applying!

Certainly easier to get a job with an unrestricted visa.

NiallSORo

sebastianlieken wrote: »

right so that's the bones of 3k sterling to me. doable I guess. Maybe a good investment actually seeing as it will probably get me a job very quickly.

the WHAT IF question.... $3520 for the application.... what if you're turned down!?!?! is that $3520 down the toilet!!??!

PS, I have a belgian passport.

You would have to do IELTS then, if you are using a Belgian passport.

Even for a temporary sponsorship visa, you would have to show a score of 5.0 or higher (unless exempt). I can't post links, so go to the immi page for the 457 visa and have a root around.

You won't get the $3.5k back if the application is refused. There are lots of visa grant criteria, if you meet them all then you won't be refused!

sebastianlieken

NiallSORo wrote: »

You would have to do IELTS then, if you are using a Belgian passport.

Even for a temporary sponsorship visa, you would have to show a score of 5.0 or higher (unless exempt). I can't post links, so go to the immi page for the 457 visa and have a root around.

You won't get the $3.5k back if the application is refused. There are lots of visa grant criteria, if you meet them all then you won't be refused!

I have 70 points it seems. (assuming I get 20 in the IELTS) that seems sufficient.

I'm fairly sure I do want to live there. I have a sister in sydney and another in new zealand, so that's where my family is these days

sebastianlieken

okay okay, one last question...

Can I go over on a WHV (subclass 417) and after a few months, apply for a 189 while i'm in the country?

Basically, I don't want to hang about here for 4-5 months...

krustycustomer

that was what I was thinking until I came across this thread.

I was planning on going to Oz on the WHV and applying for the 476 over there after a few months.

You have to leave Oz to apply for a different visa and leave Oz again to activate the new visa, 2 visa runs to NZ sounds pricey rather than waiting and avoiding the WHV at all.

mandrake04

sebastianlieken wrote: »

okay okay, one last question...

Can I go over on a WHV (subclass 417) and after a few months, apply for a 189 while i'm in the country?

Basically, I don't want to hang about here for 4-5 months...

Yes, as long as you have an invite to apply you can then lodge an application onshore.

sebastianlieken

krustycustomer wrote: »

that was what I was thinking until I came across this thread.

I was planning on going to Oz on the WHV and applying for the 476 over there after a few months.

You have to leave Oz to apply for a different visa and leave Oz again to activate the new visa, 2 visa runs to NZ sounds pricey rather than waiting and avoiding the WHV at all.

I get that you would have to leave and re-enter to activate the new visa... but why would you have to leave to apply for a different visa? you do that online anyway right?

sebastianlieken

mandrake04 wrote: »

Yes, as long as you have an invite to apply you can then lodge an application onshore.

oh okay. I presume then that the invite will remain valid for a few months

irishmover

sebastianlieken wrote: »

I get that you would have to leave and re-enter to activate the new visa... but why would you have to leave to apply for a different visa? you do that online anyway right?

You can be onshore when you apply for the 189 and when its granted. I never needed to leave Australia to get my 189.

mandrake04

sebastianlieken wrote: »

oh okay. I presume then that the invite will remain valid for a few months

Yes 60 days

sebastianlieken

krustycustomer wrote: »

that was what I was thinking until I came across this thread.

I was planning on going to Oz on the WHV and applying for the 476 over there after a few months.

You have to leave Oz to apply for a different visa and leave Oz again to activate the new visa, 2 visa runs to NZ sounds pricey rather than waiting and avoiding the WHV at all.

for the 189 visa: "You can be in or outside Australia when you apply and when the visa is granted."

nice!