toll plaza speeding fine?!

jkp

edit:

fear not, toll plaza speeders. i got the dates confused and it's actually from kilcock, not the m4. and someone else was driving. relief.

please ignore.

Anan1

Ring them up and ask for a pic, they'll post it out straight away.

RobAMerc

shooting fish in a barrel ! The speed limits around the tolls are outrageous. On some of the limit start almost 1km away from the toll which is just stupid.

deadwood

RobAMerc wrote: »

shooting fish in a barrel ! .

Wow.
In with that one by post #3!

ballooba

RobAMerc wrote: »

shooting fish in a barrel ! The speed limits around the tolls are outrageous. On some of the limit start almost 1km away from the toll which is just stupid.

30 seconds before the toll at full tilt. How outrageous. Consider the toll operators please.

Tallon

RobAMerc wrote: »

shooting fish in a barrel ! The speed limits around the tolls are outrageous. On some of the limit start almost 1km away from the toll which is just stupid.

It's not outrageous... You're going from 120kph to Stopped!!!

VinnyTGM

You're going to be approaching other traffic that is slowing down and stopped, having a 50km/h limit seems logical.

vectra

Reminds me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX4ZZqW790s

dr.fuzzenstein

vectra wrote: »

Reminds me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX4ZZqW790s

Not so much the speed that's the problem here as her being drunk and not watching what's ahead of her.
Crash caused by alcohol and stupidity.
If statistics took utter stupidity and not looking where people go into account, one would find that that would be the number one cause of accidents.
Sadly you can't legislate for that, i.e. "Sir, my Thickness meter has detected your thickness level is way over the legal limit, you're gonna have to step out of the car".
So, once alcohol and speeding are eliminated (never), what will the government do about stupidity behind the wheel?
Not sure anything can be done, since I'm certain the planet is getting dumber by the year.
Watch Idiocracy for a scary vision of the future.

Mr Benevolent

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I'm certain the planet is getting dumber by the year.
Watch Idiocracy for a scary vision of the future.

If the planet is getting dumber by the year and Homo Sapiens has been fully modern for 50000 years then we're extremely dumb now.

Tallon

Confab wrote: »

If the planet is getting dumber by the year and Homo Sapiens has been fully modern for 50000 years then we're extremely dumb now.

Have been* :rolleyes:

dr.fuzzenstein

Confab wrote: »

If the planet is getting dumber by the year and Homo Sapiens has been fully modern for 50000 years then we're extremely dumb now.

This is how it works:;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXRjmyJFzrU

RobAMerc

ballooba wrote: »

30 seconds before the toll at full tilt. How outrageous. Consider the toll operators please.

"At full tilt" :rolleyes: - anyway thats bull, some of them are 80kph up to 1k from the actual barrier, and there is never that much traffic at any of the tolls that their is a tailback.

Stop regurgitating the RSA's "slow down" nonsense and use your head - it doesn't take 1000 meters to stop from 120kph and you don't even have to stop if you have a toll tag.

As for safety, here is my take on it. A driver frustrated by stupidly slow moving traffic or silly restrictions ( such as no overtaking on perfectly straight roads ) is much more likely to make a mistake and cause an accident than ones who are not restricted by stupidity !
Example - look at the chaos that goes on overtaking a driver driving "safely" at 60kph once the road opens up and people get the chance to overtake - its nuts.

Tallon

Wow, just wow!

RobAMerc

btw - I expect a pose of high horse Henry's round here any minute with a barrage of calling me the devil.

Motors has gone to the dogs.

opinion guy

OP did you use the tagged lane ?

Apparently they have speed guns an easyflow/tagged lanes - either that or they can use the existing apparatus to do a speed check.
I've not heard of it on the normal lanes.

RobAMerc wrote: »

and there is never that much traffic at any of the tolls that their is a tailback

The M4 toll builds a tallback with minimal traffic for some reason. And when it does people start doing some crazy **** like reversing and driving across the road to faster moving lanes. i got me some crazy ass video of this stuff.

Tallon

RobAMerc wrote: »

btw - I expect a pose of high horse Henry's round here any minute with a barrage of calling me the devil.

Motors has gone to the dogs.

Why, because you're wrong?

Tallon

opinion guy wrote: »

i got me some crazy ass video of this stuff.

I think I speak for everyone when I say.. Post it

opinion guy

Tallon wrote: »

I think I speak for everyone when I say.. Post it

Ah......not sure where the files are at the moment due to my organisational systems being something akin to a clusterbomb and I ain't got time hunt for them at the moment

Tea 1000

ballooba wrote: »

30 seconds before the toll at full tilt. How outrageous. Consider the toll operators please.

Tallon wrote: »

It's not outrageous... You're going from 120kph to Stopped!!!

Lads please, it's not a cruise liner we're driving. 30 seconds before stopping and you'd be slowing down? Really? Whats wrong with your brakes?

VinnyTGM wrote: »

You're going to be approaching other traffic that is slowing down and stopped, having a 50km/h limit seems logical.

On main roads there are many 100km/h roads that don't slow you to a 50km/h zone before a T-Junction or Cross-roads, because they assume that people have brains. People know how to come to a halt before a certain line. Sure you may as well have a speed limit sign for every junction, corner and bend in the country with a "Government approved" speed if that's the case.
Brains people - they're there for a reason! Please use them!

Tea 1000

opinion guy wrote: »

The M4 toll builds a tallback with minimal traffic for some reason. And when it does people start doing some crazy **** like reversing and driving across the road to faster moving lanes. i got me some crazy ass video of this stuff.

Speed limits won't save us from gobshítes doing crazy shít.

mickdw

Jesus, Ive approached and left that toll plaza in a hurry on many occasion. Didnt think there were any speed cameras there. Ive certainly never had any problems

Miscreant

Hmm, I usually gun it coming out of the easypass lane when heading to Galway. Never noticed a speed camera there. Why don't they just go barrier free and be done with it? Seems to work for the M50.

Tallon

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Lads please, it's not a cruise liner we're driving. 30 seconds before stopping and you'd be slowing down? Really? Whats wrong with your brakes?

It's not a distance competition... you are supposed to gradually slow to a stop and not get from 60-0 ASAP

You don't floor it towards the toll booth and then at a desired distance, slam on the brakes to make a perfectly timed stop to pop your money in and then floor it back out the other side!

And peoples misconception that you have to brake to slow is ridiculous, as you approach the toll, you can just come off the accelerator and slow down with a combination of your gears / brakes

MarkR

*looks at letterbox nervously*

opinion guy

mickdw wrote: »

Jesus, Ive approached and left that toll plaza in a hurry on many occasion. Didnt think there were any speed cameras there. Ive certainly never had any problems

didn't anyone read my post ? I have heard its only the easypass/tagged lane that has a speed check as you go through it

Gophur

opinion guy wrote: »

didn't anyone read my post ? I have heard its only the easypass/tagged lane that has a speed check as you go through it

You've "heard" ?

You'll need a bit better "proof" than that!


Can't beat hearsay, eh?

opinion guy

Gophur wrote: »

You've "heard" ?

You'll need a bit better "proof" than that!


Can't beat hearsay, eh?

A family member got done this way and thats what he was told by the powers that be.

I don't see you coming up with any alternative suggestions

_Kaiser_

Hmm..

I go through 4-6 tolls per day (:() in the express lane and rarely drop as low as the 50 km/h limit - usually between that and 60 to be honest. Never had any issues so far.

What's more annoying are the idiots who'll:

(1) move out in front of you as you approach the lane... only to then move back left to go to one of the booths at the last second! :mad:

(2) come out the far side of the lane doing 60 km/h and continue to sit in the outside lane as they gradually build to - still below - the limit. :rolleyes:

As for slowing on approach, as RobAMerc says, unless you're driving a cruise ship, you don't need a km to slow from 120 to 50.

If more people (generally) drove with a bit of cop on and situational awareness rather than blindly following an arbritary limit/signpost or what the guy in front is doing, there'd be a lot less hassle on the roads.

RobAMerc

there is a very good reason for slowing to 50 in the express lane, that is the barrier doesn't go up fast enough between you getting the green and arriving at the barrier !

other than that the nanny-ism is insulting to intelligent people. same as so many of our roads now having a continuous white line one perfectly safe stretches.

make cars the enemy so we can ( road, vrt, excise, parking and speed ) tax the bejaysus out of them. :rolleyes:

Gophur

opinion guy wrote: »

A family member got done this way and thats what he was told by the powers that be.

I don't see you coming up with any alternative suggestions

Was there an onus on me to come up with a suggestion for something?


One only has to look at the skid marks on the approaches to the tolls to see some drivers are incapable of slowing down in time. For the likes of these, speed traps are a necessary evil.

Chriscl1

Tallon wrote: »

You don't floor it towards the toll booth and then at a desired distance, slam on the brakes to make a perfectly timed stop to pop your money in and then floor it back out the other side!

Come on!!! You know dam well that's the best way to tackle the toll bridge, money must be in hand too and I don't want to see anybody in front of me rooting around in the ashtray for a 20c coin either

opinion guy

Gophur wrote: »

Was there an onus on me to come up with a suggestion for something?


One only has to look at the skid marks on the approaches to the tolls to see some drivers are incapable of slowing down in time. For the likes of these, speed traps are a necessary evil.

If you are going to question my anecdotal evidence, you'll need other evidence, at least anecdotal but preferably stronger, then yes, yes the onus is on you. My theory might be based on an anecdote but so far in this thread its the only theory. I have no reason to doubt what I was told, and nobody has offered an alternative.

Gophur

Anyone see the BBC Motorway Cops programme last week where the poor man in an A6 got creamed by some b1tch in a BMW who never braked at all, she, apparently, looking for change for the tool? (No charges were preferred against her, despite video evidence of the whole incident showing her car approaching at speed without brakes being applied)

dr.fuzzenstein

Everyone knows how it's done, especially at coin baskets.
Approach fairly sharp-ish, wind down window as you brake, hand out the window with car still in motion and toss coins in basket.
Window already on the way up as car comes to a halt whilst machine counts coins.
Before it's finished, car already in first gear, clutch biting and revs up.
The car has to clear the barrier before it's all the way up.
It's the pitstop approach to tolls.
The objective is to beat the other car on the other toll booth, that has entered before you.
Makes my day every time. it's the highlight of my miserable day.;)

RobAMerc

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Everyone knows how it's done, especially at coin baskets.
Approach fairly sharp-ish, wind down window as you brake, hand out the window with car still in motion and toss coins in basket.
Window already on the way up as car comes to a halt whilst machine counts coins.
Before it's finished, car already in first gear, clutch biting and revs up.
The car has to clear the barrier before it's all the way up.
It's the pitstop approach to tolls.
The objective is to beat the other car on the other toll booth, that has entered before you.
Makes my day every time. it's the highlight of my miserable day.;)

You'll burn in hell you animal ! You should have been doing 50 since you left your house in order to stop in time !

iphone4g

Tallon wrote: »

It's not a distance competition... you are supposed to gradually slow to a stop and not get from 60-0 ASAP

You don't floor it towards the toll booth and then at a desired distance, slam on the brakes to make a perfectly timed stop to pop your money in and then floor it back out the other side!

And peoples misconception that you have to brake to slow is ridiculous, as you approach the toll, you can just come off the accelerator and slow down with a combination of your gears / brakes

Who died and left you with all the knowledge ?

Gophur

opinion guy wrote: »

If you are going to question my anecdotal evidence, you'll need other evidence, at least anecdotal but preferably stronger, then yes, yes the onus is on you. My theory might be based on an anecdote but so far in this thread its the only theory. I have no reason to doubt what I was told, and nobody has offered an alternative.

So, unless proven otherwise, your story about the express lane having speed measurement devices is true?

Next step.

What toll booth is this alleged to have taken place in?

Bazzy

RobAMerc wrote: »

btw - I expect a pose of high horse Henry's round here any minute with a barrage of calling me the devil.

Motors has gone to the dogs.

if you drive an audi a skoda or a bmw you'll be ok

johnos1984

hmmmmmm..
is this just for the express lane?

Is the Gardaí/camera van who are enforcing it with a proper official check or the toll operators?

If it's the toll operators surely it can't be enforced?

Also some of the limites are a bit daft but nothing, and I mean nothing, is more leathal at a toll bring that the person who decides to reverse/cross lanes/brake hard and panic due to the big toll bridge that just jumped out in front of them

Gophur

johnos1984 wrote: »

hmmmmmm..
is this just for the express lane?

Is the Gardaí/camera van who are enforcing it with a proper official check or the toll operators?

If it's the toll operators surely it can't be enforced?

Also some of the limites are a bit daft but nothing, and I mean nothing, is more leathal at a toll bring that the person who decides to reverse/cross lanes/brake hard and panic due to the big toll bridge that just jumped out in front of them

There is no speed trap in any lane. There may be, occasionally, speed traps on the approaches to the tolls, but in the usual fashion.

The private operators of the tolls have no mandate or authority to issue speeding related fines.

johnos1984

Gophur wrote: »

There is no speed trap in any lane. There may be, occasionally, speed traps on the approaches to the tolls, but in the usual fashion.

The private operators of the tolls have no mandate or authority to issue speeding related fines.

That's what i thought.

I can relax again

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

RobAMerc wrote: »

"At full tilt" :rolleyes: - anyway thats bull, some of them are 80kph up to 1k from the actual barrier, and there is never that much traffic at any of the tolls that their is a tailback.
.

Not sure how many tolls you go through every day but the M1 is certainly not 80KMH 1k out and there is often a queue at the barriers with traffic changing lanes as well.

1k out at 120kmh is 30 secs - hardly an inordinate amount of time - even at 50kmh is only 1min 12 secs. 80kmh is an excessive 45 secs! Get over it.!

swimming in a sea

just don't go through that rip-off m4 toll, I never do.
I used to when I was in a job with the company car and it was on expenses and it always amazed me to see private people pay this toll and then pull over into the service station so they could get ripped off more with the overpriced shop and restaurants.
Surly if you pay the toll you want to make use of it and get your foot down and get home not pull over and stuff your face with coffee and burgers.

Tallon

iphone4g wrote: »

Who died and left you with all the knowledge ?

My father...

jkp

it's definitely not in only in the express lane, i would've used one of the cashier lanes.
i'm honestly not much of one for speeding, and the couple of late night drives i have broken the limit i fully expected a letter in the post that never came. but this just seems excessive. i came from 120km/h to a full stop between the approach and the toll barrier, and i did it safely.
2 penalty points on my licence for doing 66km/h on a motorway, great. i just hope it doesnt f*** up my insurance renewal next year.

Raskolnikov

OP, I honestly think you might have a case on this.

When I drive through the Express Lane on the M1, I pass by a sign with a speed limit of 80km/hr. just after the barrier.

It makes no sense whatsoever that speed limits should be different between tolling stations.

coolbeans

Tallon wrote: »

Have been* :rolleyes:

Just for the record "homo sapiens" is singular. Those in glass houses and all that... :rolleyes:

Tea 1000

Tallon wrote: »

It's not a distance competition... you are supposed to gradually slow to a stop and not get from 60-0 ASAP

You don't floor it towards the toll booth and then at a desired distance, slam on the brakes to make a perfectly timed stop to pop your money in and then floor it back out the other side!

And peoples misconception that you have to brake to slow is ridiculous, as you approach the toll, you can just come off the accelerator and slow down with a combination of your gears / brakes

I slow down exactly as you said there, off the accelerator, gradually. But I don't start 30 seconds before hand. A bit of common sense is all we're asking people! Apparently it's not that common though...

Anan1

swimming in a sea full of trout wrote: »

just don't go through that rip-off m4 toll, I never do.
I used to when I was in a job with the company car and it was on expenses and it always amazed me to see private people pay this toll and then pull over into the service station so they could get ripped off more with the overpriced shop and restaurants.
Surly if you pay the toll you want to make use of it and get your foot down and get home not pull over and stuff your face with coffee and burgers.

pred racer

RobAMerc wrote: »

there is a very good reason for slowing to 50 in the express lane, that is the barrier doesn't go up fast enough between you getting the green and arriving at the barrier !
:rolleyes:

Is that mph? Ive been through the n7 express lane at 55 mph. I'd say you could go faster but ive always been too windy to try