Old A.I bulls

mikeoh

Got a heifer bulled last week and told A.I man I wanted something easy so he gave her a Limousin K.H.H.........We used that bull over 15yrs ago he was a great bull so I looked up his figures on ICBF ...then I started looking up old bulls from years ago BAG FL10 FL11 BFX IC27 and there figures still being updated .does this mean seman still around from this bull 30 years on, if so I wouldnt mind using some of them they bred great cattle

pakalasa

It doesnt necessarily mean that the bulls semen is still being used. It can be descendants of the bull, both male and female that contribute data to the bulls figures.

limo_100

what i dont understand is how come the blub keeps changing. for example skeletal keeps changing its not as if there getting bigger and smaller year in year out. o and the figures usually get smaller

Bizzum

limo_100 wrote: »

what i dont understand is how come the blub keeps changing. for example skeletal keeps changing its not as if there getting bigger and smaller year in year out. o and the figures usually get smaller

But they change for the reason stated above. A bulls progeny will continue as time progresses to feed into the figures.

One way or another, we should always remember what BLUP stands for, particularly the B & P. Best and Prediction!

limo_100

Bizzum wrote: »

But they change for the reason stated above. A bulls progeny will continue as time progresses to feed into the figures.

One way or another, we should always remember what BLUP stands for, particularly the B & P. Best and Prediction!

from what i understand from the blub its the individual bull thats scored and not his offspring. and if you look at the linear scoring where it shows the scores for the length of back and pelvis and stuff there from the bull and not his offspring from what i no

pakalasa

...Extract....

Most Limousin breeders are familiar with the term BLUP (Best Linear Unbiased Prediction) which is the current method of quantifying genetic merit of cattle in Ireland. This methodology is based on the statistical analysis of large quantities of data collected on many pedigree and commercial farms. The more information an animal has on either itself or its relatives, the greater will be the reliability of that animal’s predicted genetic merit. The greater the reliability, the narrower the range in which the proof may vary as the animal accumulates subsequent performance information on either itself or its relatives.

From;
http://www.irishlimousin.com/html/genomic_selection_and_breeding_elite_limousin_cattle.html

limo_100

pakalasa wrote: »

...Extract....

Most Limousin breeders are familiar with the term BLUP (Best Linear Unbiased Prediction) which is the current method of quantifying genetic merit of cattle in Ireland. This methodology is based on the statistical analysis of large quantities of data collected on many pedigree and commercial farms. The more information an animal has on either itself or its relatives, the greater will be the reliability of that animal’s predicted genetic merit. The greater the reliability, the narrower the range in which the proof may vary as the animal accumulates subsequent performance information on either itself or its relatives.

From;
http://www.irishlimousin.com/html/genomic_selection_and_breeding_elite_limousin_cattle.html

tanks for that pak man. so is there a way of telling the size of the bull? like weather or not hes a big or small and so on

pakalasa

limo_100 wrote: »

tanks for that pak man. so is there a way of telling the size of the bull? like weather or not hes a big or small and so on

If you know the Tag No of the bull, look it up on the ICBF site;
http://www.icbf.ie/

Under the Tab for 'Linear type', you will see the BLUP figures. For the size, or frame of a bull, look at the Skeletal figures.
For example FL21 has about 80% value for 'Height at Withers'. With 50% being average, that makes him a tall bull.
Rox (Rocky) on the other hand has a vlaue of about 15% which makes him a very small bull.

Remember that these fugures are an estimate of how the bull will breed, rather than how the bull looks. But how the bull himself looks is taken into account to calculate the figures.

vanderbadger

going a bit off topic here but noticed dovea website have videos of some of their bulls up, one i noticed particularly was a vid of Lim bull Utile Ben, jeez he is some bull going on the video

lucky william

Anyone have a picture of the old hereford bull WABASH GOLD STANDARD? (WGT) ?

mikeoh

lucky william wrote: »

Anyone have a picture of the old hereford bull WABASH GOLD STANDARD? (WGT) ?

WGT is in the Dovea 1988 book but sorry no pic just his pedigree maybe somebody has 87 or 89 editions

lucky william

mikeoh wrote: »

lucky william wrote: »

Anyone have a picture of the old hereford bull WABASH GOLD STANDARD? (WGT) ?

WGT is in the Dovea 1988 book but sorry no pic just his pedigree maybe somebody has 87 or 89 editions

What other heref. Bull is in that catalogue?

mikeoh

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lucky william

thank you very much for that mikeoh .... Any other pictures send them on!!

pakalasa

lucky william wrote: »

Anyone have a picture of the old hereford bull WABASH GOLD STANDARD? (WGT) ?

What do you want them for?

lucky william

pakalasa wrote: »

lucky william wrote: »

Anyone have a picture of the old hereford bull WABASH GOLD STANDARD? (WGT) ?

What do you want them for?

Well I wouldn't put a bull on any of my stock unless I see what there like... Would you? There are plenty out there with photos but he is easy calving by icbf and there are straws off him still. Do you have a picture ?

Indubitable

Only two good bulls i can remember are IC32, called Hiabbey Diego and another one called CF12. Both charolais, I can't remember their dates of birth

mikeoh

A few nice pollys
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lucky william

mikeoh wrote: »

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A few nice pollys

MTL is nice bull.... Any more Herefords. ?

wiggy123

cannot see ur pics .. there! MTL one?? Minit of Liss.. breeding nice cattle..cannot be got anymore so i hear! have had great bulls from him.. thick/traditional animals

mikeoh

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Bizzum

lucky william wrote: »

Well I wouldn't put a bull on any of my stock unless I see what there like... Would you?

I would. A photo aint everything, particularly nowadays with photoshop!

Indubitable wrote: »

Only two good bulls i can remember are IC32, called Hiabbey Diego and another one called CF12. Both charolais, I can't remember their dates of birth

Hiabbey Diego IC32 Born 10/Jan/1988
Shamrock Dromod IC12 Born 19/May/1969

Has Charolais breeding regressed in the last 20/30/40 years?

Indubitable

Bizzum wrote: »

I would. A photo aint everything, particularly nowadays with photoshop!

I agree, I have seen pictures of bulls in catalogues and you would swear they are identical. Pictures are also taken with specific angle/lighting to highlight certain features and give the bull a larger appearance.

Bizzum wrote: »

Hiabbey Diego IC32 Born 10/Jan/1988
Shamrock Dromod IC12 Born 19/May/1969

Has Charolais breeding regressed in the last 20/30/40 years?

I can remember those two bulls and Shamrock Ambassadeur being of a high standard. Only ever used them commercially but I wouldn't think breeding has regressed. I wouldn't be an expert of course.

Future Farmer

SHAMROCK AMBASSADEUR - CF12 - DOB 1965 - 5 Star Replacement (probably to be taken with a pinch of salt) - still available.

Farrell

Future Farmer wrote: »

SHAMROCK AMBASSADEUR - CF12 - DOB 1965 - 5 Star Replacement (probably to be taken with a pinch of salt) - still available.

Where & how can you find this out.
Wonder would there be many others (such as IMA - Impair) still about?

Future Farmer

Farrell wrote: »

Where & how can you find this out.
Wonder would there be many others (such as IMA - Impair) still about?

I know a fella, who knows a fella, will try get an answer on that for you.

It'd be easier if you sent codes or names. ;-)