Closed eye hallucination

TeddyTedson

Just interested if other people experience this? I always experienced stage 3 but often have also experienced stage 4 and 5. I thought until recently that it was something everyone got but apparently not

AnonoBoy

Stage 5 only?

My closed eye hallucinations go all the way to 11.

alwaysadub

What's closed eye hallucination? And what are the stages of it??

My name is URL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene

Sindri

Yes I get them but to reach stage 5 you would have to be under the influence of illicit or prescription substances.

I have only experienced to stage 3, possibly stage 4 but I am unsure.

TeddyTedson

form wikipedia

Level 1: Visual noise

CEV noise simulation


The most basic form of CEV perception that can be immediately experienced in normal waking consciousness involves a seemingly random noise of pointillistic light/dark regions with no apparent shape or order.
This can be seen when the eyes are closed and looking at the back of the eyelids. In a bright room, a dark red can be seen, owing to a small amount of light penetrating the eyelids and taking on the color of the blood within them. In a dark room, blackness can be seen or the object can be more colourful. But in either case it is not a flat unchanging redness/blackness. Instead, if actively observed for a few minutes, one becomes aware of an apparent disorganized motion, a random field of lightness/darkness that overlays the redness/blackness of your closed eyelids.
For a person who tries to actively observe this closed-eye perception on a regular basis, there comes a point where if they look at a flat-shaded object with their eyes wide open, and try to actively look for this visual noise, they will become aware of it and see the random pointillistic disorganized motion as if it were a translucent overlay on top of what is actually being seen by their open eyes.
When seen overlaid onto the physical world, this CEV noise does not obscure physical vision at all, and in fact is hard to notice if the visual field is highly patterned, complex, or in motion. When active observation is stopped, it is not obvious or noticeable, and seemingly disappears from normal physical perception. Individuals suffering from visual snow see similar noise but experience difficulty blocking it from conscious perception.
The noise probably originates from thermal noise exciting the photoreceptor cells in the retina,I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"]citation needed[/URL][/I compare Eigengrau.
URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Closed-eye_hallucination&action=edit&section=3"]edit[/URL Level 2: Light/dark flashes

Some mental control can be exerted over these closed-eye visualizations, but it usually requires a bit of relaxation and concentration to achieve. When properly relaxed it is possible to cause regions of intense black, bright white or even colors such as yellow, green, or pink to appear in the noise. These regions can span the entire visual field, but seem to be fleeting in nature.[1]
URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Closed-eye_hallucination&action=edit&section=4"]edit[/URL Level 3: Patterns, motion, and color

CEV pattern simulation, note that this can be quite different from real life experience


This level is relatively easily accessible to people who use LSD, and appears to be what most people refer to as colourful visuals. However, it is also accessible to people involved in deep concentration for long periods of time. When lying down at night and closing the eyes, right before sleep the complex motion of these patterns can become directly visible without any great effort thanks to hypnagogic hallucination. The patterns themselves might resemble fractals.
URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Closed-eye_hallucination&action=edit&section=5"]edit[/URL Level 4: Objects and things

This is a fairly deep state. At this level, thoughts visually manifest as objects or environments. When this level is reached, the CEV noise seems to calm down and fade away, leaving behind an intense flat ordered blackness. The visual field becomes a sort of active space. A side component of this is the ability to feel motion when the eyes are closed.I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"]citation needed[/URL][/I
Opening the eyes returns one to the normal physical world, but still with the CEV object field overlaid onto it and present. In this state it is possible to see things that appear to be physical objects in the open-eye physical world, but that aren't really there.
“ If we remember that the essential difference between what we call the real world and the world of imagination and hallucination, is not the elements of which we build them up but the sequence in which these elements appear... then it follows that the sequences directed from without represent a limitation of the otherwise unlimited combinations of the selective forms released at random from within ”

—- Jurij Moskvitin, Essay on the origin of thought.[2]

URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Closed-eye_hallucination&action=edit&section=6"]edit[/URL Level 5: Overriding physical perception

This is the point where it appears to the outside world that a person is either unconscious or insane. The internal CEV perceptions and think-it/feel-it perceptions become stronger than physical perceptions, and completely override and replace open-eye physical perceptions. This can be a potentially dangerous state if a person is still mobile while in a different imagined world, but by this time most people are motionless and not likely to do something hazardous to themselves or others.[3] This is the point where most hallucinogenic references say it is a good idea to have a "sitter" present to watch over the person using the chemicals, and keep them from accidentally harming themselves or others while deep into their own world.I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"]citation needed[/URL][/I

TeddyTedson

Sindri wrote: »

Yes I get them but to reach stage 5 you would have to be under the influence of illicit or prescription substances.

Honestly I don't use any drugs bar the drink and caffeine, but I've only experienced stage 5 while sober.

Sindri

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Honestly I don't use any drugs bar the drink and caffeine, but I've only experienced stage 5 while sober.

I don't use hallucinogens either, I have gotten them while using prescription medicine though differently to how I usually get them.

How did you get stage 5? Sounds class. Do you see images usually when you think because they say that those who do make good artists and film directors.

Pace2008

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Honestly I don't use any drugs bar the drink and caffeine, but I've only experienced stage 5 while sober.

How does you just sit back and enjoy the show? Have you ever used psychedlic drugs in the past? I can induce some fairly decent CEV's when sober, but they'd be nothing compared to those I'd get from hallucinogens.

I've experienced visuals more powerful than can be described on a high-dose ketamine trip, and I always get them, to varying degrees of intensity, on mushrooms, LSD and cannabis if I smoke it on a comedown from MDMA.

The closed-eye visuals I get from an MDMA/weed combo are very similar to the video below - sort of perpetual sense of motion with objects constantly warping and morphing.

ImpossibleDuck

I believe you are suffering from a mild case of dreaming.

TeddyTedson

Sindri wrote: »

I don't use hallucinogens either, I have gotten them while using prescription medicine though differently to how I usually get them.

How did you get stage 5? Sounds class. Do you see images usually when you think because they say that those who do make good artists and film directors.

It just happens unknowingly for me. It's most just impulsed imaged with no certain direction. Kind of cool I guess. Mostly I just experience stage 3 though and it similar to that white stripes video, **** I can't think of the song.....Seven nation army!

Killer Pigeon

All the time, Teddy, all the time.

TeddyTedson

I'd really appreciate input from people who experience this:)

Micky Dolenz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juFZh92MUOY

Killer Pigeon

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I'd really appreciate input from people who experience this:)

We're here to help you Teddy.

Killer Pigeon

We should have a "LET'S ALL LAUGH AT PEOPLE WHO HAVE CLOSED EYE HALLUCINATIONS!!" thread.

IM0

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I'd really appreciate input from people who experience this:)

you should probably tell professionals about this. it sounds like a psychosis
then again its not disturbing you and interfering with your life so in that sense its not a bad thing, no harm in checking in with the gp though

Sky King

I get colourful hallucinations and shapes sometimes when I am going to sleep. Black background and a colourful shape changing and morphing... a butterly into a face into a spiral etc etc. I reckon it's harmless, and it's a good buzz.

You're there thinking 'what will my brain show me next' it comes straight from the subconsious with zero control over it and each one is a surprise, which is kinda cool.

TeddyTedson

Sky King wrote: »

I get colourful hallucinations and shapes sometimes when I am going to sleep. Black background and a colourful shape changing and morphing... a butterly into a face into a spiral etc etc. I reckon it's harmless, and it's a good buzz.

You're there thinking 'what will my brain show me next' it comes straight from the subconsious with zero control over it and each one is a surprise, which is kinda cool.

Yea this is exactly stage 3. I get this a lot. I've read thats it just noise input to your brain?

BBDBB

Take more water with it Teddy

TeddyTedson

BBDBB wrote: »

Take more water with it Teddy

No no, I'm really not talking about drugs. I'm not really into to any.

Skid

I never knew there was a name for this. From reading that Wiki information, I have definitely had the Stage 3 movements, occasionally.

sheesh

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I'd really appreciate input from people who experience this:)

yeah I know what you are talking about

TeddyTedson

maybe we can start a club?

KittyeeTrix

I would experience the Stage 3 but I never knew what it was until I read this thread. It's kinda cool but sometimes it can get annoying as I can't shut it off and it can be very distracting when your trying to actually sleep.
There have been times as well when I can feel a little panicked i suppose or on edge when the visions seem to verge into faces:o
Find that part of it a little freaky!!

loremolis

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

I would experience the Stage 3 but I never knew what it was until I read this thread. It's kinda cool but sometimes it can get annoying as I can't shut it off and it can be very distracting when your trying to actually sleep.
There have been times as well when I can feel a little panicked i suppose or on edge when the visions seem to verge into faces:o
Find that part of it a little freaky!!

Those faces, I've seen them too.

You think you are awake but you can see faces.

Doesn't happen often but when it does it's weird.

Sindri

TeddyTedson wrote: »

maybe we can start a club?

I nominate myself as junior secretary and bursar.

There should be a fee for joining.

dslaer20

I've been able to see up too level 4 since I was 6 years old, but as I grew older it went away. When I was 6 the noise used to morph into faces like the exorcist and **** haha pretty scary. I'm only able to see level 2 now days, but when I smoke weed I always get a level 3 when I close my eyes haha.

BraziliaNZ

I remember on a coach for 15 hours in South America after having partied really hard for about 6 or 7 nights in a row with barely and sleep and lots of bad stuff - each time I closed my eyes, I'd see people and faces as if I was in a bar/club, and they'd come right up to me and it was so real that I'd jump out of my doze with fright. Didn't sleep a wink for about 3 days after that bender. Horrible!

RichieC

easily stage 5 during my altered states without any drugs. Infact alcohol and weed hinder me.

--Kaiser--

I can get stage 4 phosphenes when I'm drifting off to sleep, sometimes it feels like I can see with my eyes closed

zuzuzu

loremolis wrote: »

Those faces, I've seen them too.

You think you are awake but you can see faces.

Doesn't happen often but when it does it's weird.

Yes the faces:)

I haven't had it in a while but one i remember was in a crowded place maybe a club and could focus on faces and every one was friendly.. i think i was trying to get the shift

Seems to happen me if i'm tired or hungover after a heavy night beforehand. Bus trips, with head against window trying to get some zzz's while facing into the daylight

TeddyTedson

This is the best way I can show what I've gotten.
It's very faint memories afterwards, but the odd morphing story that unfolds in front of you is the same as this video, which is supposed to similar to taking LSD. I've never taken LSD so I have no idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLnADKgurvc

--Kaiser--

TeddyTedson wrote: »

This is the best way I can show what I've gotten.
It's very faint memories afterwards, but the odd morphing story that unfolds in front of you is the same as this video, which is supposed to similar to taking LSD. I've never taken LSD so I have no idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLnADKgurvc

Reminds me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoysQe-2HS4

sbsquarepants

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Honestly I don't use any drugs bar the drink and caffeine, but I've only experienced stage 5 while sober.

I've gone all the way to 5 Teddy, had some fantastic times there in fact, but every time, there's been a chemical to blame.
I sometimes see vague shapes or pulses of light (kinda like an aurora)sober, especially when i'm tired, but nothing realistic and certainly nothing that intrudes into my daily life or when my eyes are open in the bright.

Incidentaly, do you have bad eyesight? I remember reading about a condition where the brain tries to impose order on blured or missing info from the eyes that can result in absolutely realistic hallucinations, it can get to be quite debilitating. It's your brain that does the actual "seeing" ie makes sense of the info the eyes present to it, the eyes merely collect data.

Jaxxy

What's the difference between an hallucination and a walking daydream? Control?

I get stage three pretty much every night, but my daydreams are also completely vivid. But I control those, so I'm not hallucinating, right? I've had hallucinations before (when having temperatures, or after ingesting certain chemicals) and they were pretty vivid too, but I never knew what my mind was going to throw at me.

TeddyTedson

sbsquarepants wrote: »

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Incidentaly, do you have bad eyesight? I remember reading about a condition where the brain tries to impose order on blured or missing info from the eyes that can result in absolutely realistic hallucinations, it can get to be quite debilitating. It's your brain that does the actual "seeing" ie makes sense of the info the eyes present to it, the eyes merely collect data.

Oh really I'd never heard that before.
I used to but got laser eye surgery. I still have bad astigmatism though.

sbsquarepants

I got laser surgery too. Maybe there is a connection to bad eyesight?
Enjoy the free show in any case!:D