Peterson v Khan rematch

boxer.fan

Looks like its going to happen.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jan/13/amir-khan-lamont-peterson-rematch1?newsfeed=true

Whats your thoughts people?

Deliverance XXV

Can't wait for this. Regardless of the outcome it should make for a great fight with plenty of pre-match hype/appeal.

More on BBC news here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/16450797.stm
Paddy Powers have the fight pencilled in for 20th May but they also have Klitscho V Haye and Mayweather V Pacman pencilled in for 31st Dec so I'd imagine it's just a preliminary date to get bets in first then change the date when it's confirmed: http://www.paddypower.com/bet/boxing

walshb

Yes, two very very committed men, they should both be applauded. Take away any dislike for Khan, and I say the man is exciting and comes to fight.

I pick Khan to win, but no way would I be surprised if LP did it, and by KO.

tryingmybestt

khan disgraced himself with all the complaining....

look at chisora who was blatantly robbed against helenius....he never complained once.....as chisora says 'Khan should shut his mouth complaining'

i see peterson winning again unless its in the uk and khan is gifted a decision....

i give peterson a definite chance of a ko

khan is unable to fight on the inside and peterson knows this.....

peterson will be even more confident now and he will pressure khan from round 1...

gene_tunney

Khan will win comfortably by UD. Maybe 117-111 or something along those lines.

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

Khan will win comfortably by UD. Maybe 117-111 or something along those lines.

I agree, but also would not be surprsied if LP even went more for this fight. He knows know how to trouble and worry Khan. No feeling out, straight form the get go. This is not a certainty either way.

Khan boxes real clever, and can withstand the pressure and box, he can win. But, LP is in there too, trying his ass off. Looking forward to this.

The Prodigy 2

Hope he gets sparked

Spazdarn

Khan is going to get ridiculous hate going into this fight... It's not just a large proportion of Britain wanting him KO'd, it includes America too.

I expect him to win, but I do think the rematch will be interesting, because Lamont knows that Khan isn't going to develop an inside game in the space of a few months, all Khan's flaws are still there to be taken advantage of.

tryingmybestt

agree...i used to like khan for the courage he showed coming back from the prescott defeat but the way he's complained and not taking the loss like a man has tarnished him for me and made him unlikeable

he has great skills but i won't be rooting for him anymore

Littlehorny

Khan needs to listen to his corner this time and get up on his toes and not plant the feet and get into a digging match up close with Peterson. Think he was determined to show how tough he was last time out. When he hit and moved he looked good at times.
Not a fan of the amount of whinging Khan has done but i think the ref docking him 2 points was too harsh. At times Peterson just walked in with the head bowed down and was not told to keep the head up once. Also getting docked a point in the middle of the last round of a title fight was incredibly harsh, particularly a close fight.

tryingmybestt

yeah the 2 points were harsh but i think Peterson won regardless of them

when a fighter is coming forward non stop like peterson at some point the other guy needs to get his respect and hurt him....i dont believe khan will be able to get his respect.....khans best punches are to the body IMO and therefore to throw these he would need to fight up close where peterson has the clear advantage

Littlehorny

Good morning trymybest, yeah your right Peterson is very tough so my point is dont fight to his strengths. Its a little like when Hagler met Leonard, Leonard knew he hadnt the power to stop or hurt Hagler so he got on his bike. Maybe Khan cant fight on the back foot. But he's gonna have to stick and move, a dogfight will only play to Petersons hands.

tryingmybestt

Morning

yeah i agree that he can't fight peterson's fight but if he doesn't slow him down a little with the odd shot that gets his attention then he will tire because running away for 12 rounds is so much more tiring than attacking non stop

leonard had enough pop to get haglers attention....also the odd time when hagler caught up leonard was excellent on the inside

khans inside game is non existent.....hard to believe considering hes calling out mayweather.....he has absolutley no inside game and he showed this many times including maidana etc.

Littlehorny

Yeah good point, well made. Khan does fight like he is still in the amatuers alright.

walshb

The Prodigy 2 wrote: »

Hope he gets sparked

Why's that?

The Prodigy 2

walshb wrote: »

Why's that?

Hes just so arrogant, still lookin passed peterson for big fights. i personally just want him too get his mouth shut, hes becoming very annoying

makl

The Prodigy 2 wrote: »

Hes just so arrogant, still lookin passed peterson for big fights. i personally just want him too get his mouth shut, hes becoming very annoying

Him looking past this fight is annoyin the hell out of me too. Not only does his last press statement assume he will win this fight, and be in contention to fight mayweather, he's of the view, by requoting GBP's initial complaint as if all of it was vindicated, that the result of the last fight has been overturned.

Now first time i watched Khan's statement after LP fight, i thought what a prick. But i then i thought fair enough he's entitled to voice his complaint (mind you i don't know why i thought it was ok for Kessler to go on about Ward's constant butting in his post-fight interview). But all this $hite he has been spouting in last couple of weeks shows to me that he has learned two fifths of fuk all from the last fight - if he gets KO'd i would like to think he will come back a better sportsman, learn from his mistakes etc, but after seeing his attitude post-LM, i have my doubts.

walshb

Right after the bout when the athlete is so in the zone, focused and wired up I will give any boxer a pass if they are deePly upset and feel aggrieved. They are so fired uP and want it so bad, I will give them a pass here. They are only human after all, competing in a passion, an addiction, a sport they crave.

Now, Khan is getting a bit too much mileage from this. Milking it too much at this stage, so for that, I don't really give passes.

corny

walshb wrote: »

Right after the bout when the athlete is so in the zone, focused and wired up I will give any boxer a pass if they are deppely upset and feel aggrieved. They are so fired uo and want it so bad, I will give them a pass here. They are only human after all, comeoting in a passion, an addiction a sport they crave.

Now, Khan is getting a bit too much mileage from this. Milking it too much at this stage, so for that, I don't really give passes.

It keeps the peeps interested. I've no doubt he's a streak of childish petulance in him but my opinion is anything that keeps us talking about him is good business. He knows that. Team Khan know that. Sure its a well travelled road with British boxers.

On the fight i think Khan will win convincingly.

walshb

corny wrote: »

It keeps the peeps interested. I've no doubt he's a streak of childish petulance in him but my opinion is anything that keeps us talking about him is good business. He knows that. Team Khan know that. Sure its a well travelled road with British boxers.

On the fight i think Khan will win convincingly.

Interesting how you think Khan will win convincingly. What do you see changing so much that will see this be a convincing win for Khan? Hey, it could well be, but it would surely require two things, improvements in Khan, and disimprovements in LP. Add in that LP now knows he has the beatings of Khan, even though me personally thought Khan deserved it. I reckon this could be a toss up. LP now fighting with more confidence and certainty against Khan who has everything to lose. He can't really afford to lose twice, can he?
He brikes his balls and fought his ass off in the fight, could he now have to step up another gear?

Thinking about all this, all the variables, and how the actual fight went, I reckon this is Khan's biggest ever moment, and not a certain one by any stretch.

tryingmybestt

walshb wrote: »

Interesting how you think Khan will win convincingly. What do you see changing so much that will see this be a convincing win for Khan? Hey, it could well be, but it would surely require two things, improvements in Khan, and disimprovements in LP. Add in that LP now knows he has the beatings of Khan, even though me personally thought Khan deserved it. I reckon this could be a toss up. LP now fighting with more confidence and certainty against Khan who has everything to lose. He can't really afford to ose twic, can he?
He brikes his balls and fought his ass off in the fight, could he now have to step up another gear?

Thinking about all this, all the variables, and how the actual fight went, I reckon this is Khan's biggest ever moment, and not a certain one by any stretch.

why do you question why he thinks khan would win convincingly when you've said in an earlier post that you agree that khan would win by 5 points i.e. convincingly ??

corny

walshb wrote: »

Interesting how you think Khan will win convincingly. What do you see changing so much that will see this be a convincing win for Khan? Hey, it could well be, but it would surely require two things, improvements in Khan, and disimprovements in LP. Add in that LP now knows he has the beatings of Khan, even though me personally thought Khan deserved it. I reckon this could be a toss up. LP now fighting with more confidence and certainty against Khan who has everything to lose. He can't really afford to ose twic, can he?
He brikes his balls and fought his ass off in the fight, could he now have to step up another gear?

Thinking about all this, all the variables, and how the actual fight went, I reckon this is Khan's biggest ever moment, and not a certain one by any stretch.

I think Khan underestimated him from the get go last time. In the lead up to the fight he was all talk about getting Bradley then moving up to fight Mayweather as if things were that easy. He agreed to fight in Washington (even though he was champ) and he put his IBF belt up. Smacks of over confidence and you can't put your best foot forward with preparation like that. Add in his obvious distraction in the ring and you have a performance well below his best. I don't think that will happen a second time.

Also, as someone else said, he's not gonna be a specialist on the inside in a couple months but i think he knows thats Petersons only ticket to victory. Despite the persona he projects to the media i reckon Khan is a diligent worker in the gym and he's gonna work hard on the things Peterson exposed. I envisage he'll be a lot wiser this time round and he won't have to constantly resort to pushing Peterson off him.

You also have Peterson who has now achieved his dream. Will he put in the same inspired performance with the constant work rate. Maybe he will but its only a maybe for me.

Don't see a knockout but i'd wager 117-111.

walshb

corny wrote: »

I think Khan underestimated him from the get go last time. In the lead up to the fight he was all talk about getting Bradley then moving up to fight Mayweather as if things were that easy. He agreed to fight in Washington (even though he was champ) and he put his IBF belt up. Smacks of over confidence and you can't put your best foot forward with preparation like that. Add in his obvious distraction in the ring and you have a performance well below his best. I don't think that will happen a second time.

Also, as someone else said, he's not gonna be a specialist on the inside in a couple months but i think he knows thats Petersons only ticket to victory. Despite the persona he projects to the media i reckon Khan is a diligent worker in the gym and he's gonna work hard on the things Peterson exposed. I envisage he'll be a lot wiser this time round and he won't have to constantly resort to pushing Peterson off him.

You also have Peterson who has now achieved his dream. Will he put in the same inspired performance with the constant work rate. Maybe he will but its only a maybe for me.

Don't see a knockout but i'd wager 117-111.

Yes, Khan may well have underestimated him, but looking at the effort for 12 rds that Khan put in, it didn't seem that he boxed that way.

I want Khan to win, think he will, but I will be very nervous. Good breakdown by the way

tryingmybestt

peterson hopfeully wins with quick devastating ko

corny

walshb wrote: »

Yes, Khan may well have underestimated him, but looking at the effort for 12 rds that Khan put in, it didn't seem that he boxed that way.

I want Khan to win, think he will, but I will be very nervous. Good breakdown by the way

Thanks. Me too. He's always value for money in the ring so i'd hate to see him go backwards at this stage.

section4

why on earth are the wba ordering a rematch when they have no proof anything was wrong. would nt be anything to do with GBP and money would it

section4

hope he get prescotted

walshb

section4 wrote: »

why on earth are the wba ordering a rematch when they have no proof anything was wrong. would nt be anything to do with GBP and money would it

Pro Boxing and money, and underhandedness? No way:P

Anyway, regardless, let's have it. It was a cracker first time around, and for that, it deserves a rematch. Too good and too evenly fought for anything else.

nacho libre

I have no doubts about Peterson putting in the same level of work rate. He'll surely want to prove Khan's camp wrong. That said I think Khan will win, it maybe close early on, but i see Khan winning comfortably in the end.

tryingmybestt

section4 wrote: »

hope he get prescotted

lol exactly

walshb

Khan is at 1/7 and LP is 9/2 on Paddy Power; seriously, does Paddy know something we don't?

corny

walshb wrote: »

Khan is at 1/7 and LP is 9/2 on Paddy Power; seriously, does Paddy know something we don't?

Never met a poor bookie.

Is that shorter than he was for the first fight?

walshb

corny wrote: »

Never met a poor bookie.

Is that shorter than he was for the first fight?

I think the odds were the same for Khan. Strange. I think he will win, but I can't fathom them kind of overwhelming odds for Khan. Two horse race, and in the first race the heavy favorite lost. Strange.

cowzerp

Didn't lp take it on short notice?

So how is he going to be when he trains for a 12 round war, I think this could be even tougher for Khan this time.

boxer.fan

After the spirited performance Peterson put in last time around, I would like to see him win again.
One thing is for sure, LP will have even more heart going into the rematch, as he knows he has a decent chance of getting to Khan as the rounds go on.

If Khan manages to get to the bottom of why he got so frustrated last time round, and sorts it out, he should get a handy points win. Its probably better for boxing in general if Khan wins.

colly10

When you think about it logically it's hard to see past LP in this fight but for some reason I still don't think he wins it.
I think LP wins if Khan is not constantly pushing him off, I think he will be though and I think he'll get away with it as well after all the rubbish that was said after the first fight.
Khan needs to start well in this fight and hope he does plenty of damage early on

Syferus

The attempt to force a rematch by the WBA smacks of dodginess and pushing the little man around.

One possibility that hasn't been explored much is that Peterson can relinqiush the WBA belt, not fight Kahn and keep his IBF belt (pending their 'inquiry', but surely both organsations can't be that corrupt). I'd honestly love to see him stick it to the WBA and go off without them, the money potential for a Kahn rematch will still be there in 12 or 18 months.

Kahn simply doesn't deserve an immediate rematch.

walshb

The other possibility is that LP is getting a nice payday here and also he may feel very confident that he can beat Khan, hence making hay while the sun shines. Probably not a wise move to refuse the rematch if you are confident and if the pay is very rewarding. Khan has it all to lose here.

Syferus

walshb wrote: »

The other possibility is that LP is getting a nice payday here and also he may feel very confident that he can beat Khan, hence making hay while the sun shines. Probably not a wise move to refuse the rematch if you are confident and if the pay is very rewarding. Khan has it all to lose here.

Peterson has even more to lose. The circus will remain around Kahn even were he to lose again, if Kahn decisively beats Peterson he'll be wrote off as scoring a lucky win and likely not be heard from much besides being a sign-post for future stars to tick off their itinerary.

Peterson should think long and hard about really making hay while the it shines and taking a less dangerous fight or two before facing Kahn.

walshb

Syferus wrote: »

Peterson has even more to lose. The circus will remain around Kahn even were he to lose again, if Kahn decisively beats Peterson he'll be wrote off as scoring a lucky win and likely not be heard from much besides being a sign-post for future stars to tick off their itinerary.

Peterson should think long and hard about really making hay while the it shines and taking a less dangerous fight or two before facing Kahn.

Not sure I agree that LP has as much or more to lose. LP has one win. He loses, he is level; Khan loses? That is twice he lost to the man, and add that to the moaning and complaining that he has been doing recently. Not good.

colly10

I think if Khan looses to LP again it would be massively damaging for his future. Some believe he has the potential to be an elite fighter so he'll loose alot of credibility if he can't beat LP (who's hardly a world beater) on his second attempt

Mr.Crinklewood

Khan's management have withdrawn their appeal.


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The IBF has informed BoxingScene.com that at 4:50PM EST, Golden Boy Promotions withdrew their appeal for an immediate rematch between junior welterweights Amir Khan and Lamont Peterson. The hearing between Khan and Peterson was scheduled for Wednesday. Team Khan, along with Golden Boy, had appealed the handling of Khan's split decision loss to Peterson, which took place last month in Washington, DC. The WBA recently ordered a Khan-Peterson rematch and Khan/Golden Boy were trying to get the IBF to follow their lead. 

Since the controverial December fight, Khan and Golden Boy complained about the scoring of the bout, the two points referee Joe Cooper took away from Khan for excessive pushing and the possible of tampering of a scorecard by Mustafa Ameen, an IBF associate who was sitting at ringside. 

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Syferus

walshb wrote: »

Not sure I agree that LP has as much or more to lose. LP has one win. He loses, he is level; Khan loses? That is twice he lost to the man, and add that to the moaning and complaining that he has been doing recently. Not good.

The thing is Peterson won mainly because of Kahn's stupidity. The consistent pushing - which was the entire difference in Kahn winning the fight - and a general arrogance in the ring will likely be corrected for the second fight. Peterson will have to summon up an even better performance to even stand a chance in a rematch. As much as I like Peterson for his story and work ethic I'm not sure he'd be world champion now if Kahn was even a little bit more level-headed.

I can see Kahn claiming a UD over Peterson and winning upwards of ten rounds, the sort of result that will make people think of Peterson in a Hasim Rahman sort of light, and the weight classes Peterson operates in are far less forgiving than the heavyweight division. I don't think they're be a huge appetite for a third fight in that context.

Still, his camp will probably see the dollar signs and be too tempted to turn down the rematch.

minty16

Peterson was 13/2 for the first fight. Khan was a little shorter then obviously but not much shorter. Sky Bet go 1/4 Khan 3/1 Peterson. If you have a few quid spare back peterson at 9/2 because I'd be near certain that he will go off shorter and could be easily layed off.

walshb

Syferus wrote: »

The thing is Peterson won mainly because of Kahn's stupidity. The consistent pushing - which was the entire difference in Kahn winning the fight - and a general arrogance in the ring will likely be corrected for the second fight. Peterson will have to summon up an even better performance to even stand a chance in a rematch. As much as I like Peterson for his story and work ethic I'm not sure he'd be world champion now if Kahn was even a little bit more level-headed.
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Apart from the pushes, which IMO were pissy, I didn't see the arrogance you speak of. Do you see something there that IF corrected will see Khan win, and win cleanly? As for Khan's stupidity? Do you mean the pushes? I wouldn't call that stupid. Just Khan trying to get LP off of him. I thought the deductions were harsh, particularly as Cooper never gave a Khan a FINAL stern verbal warning.

I think it's a bit unfair too imply that Khan will simply correct "mistakes" and then win, as if LP is just not good enough, and had Khan not been "arrogant" or "stupid" in the ring he would not have lost. Khan was under severe pressure from rd 3 onwards. No arrogance, messing, stupidity or taking breaks. LP was on him, and made Khan show guts, heart, serious fitness and a lot of fight. LP performed brilliantly.

As I said, I believe Khan can win this if he boxes very very well, but it will be no walk in the park.

section4

Syferus wrote: »

The thing is Peterson won mainly because of Kahn's stupidity. The consistent pushing - which was the entire difference in Kahn winning the fight - and a general arrogance in the ring will likely be corrected for the second fight. Peterson will have to summon up an even better performance to even stand a chance in a rematch. As much as I like Peterson for his story and work ethic I'm not sure he'd be world champion now if Kahn was even a little bit more level-headed.

I can see Kahn claiming a UD over Peterson and winning upwards of ten rounds, the sort of result that will make people think of Peterson in a Hasim Rahman sort of light, and the weight classes Peterson operates in are far less forgiving than the heavyweight division. I don't think they're be a huge appetite for a third fight in that context.

Still, his camp will probably see the dollar signs and be too tempted to turn down the rematch.

Peterson didnt win because of khans stupidity, every time khan struggles or gets beat there are excuses for him, against presoctt he was too open, too open my arse he was stunned by the first jab that hit him because he has a problem when hit solidly on the head. That cant be rectified

likewise in the peterson fight, khan is not a natural fighter, he is happy hitting you but dont hit him back or he gets confused and panics, and thats his problem, he shoved because he did not know what else to do.
Will he be able to correct that, i dont think so, he will have to fight at close quarters, because he quite simply does not have the power to detere paterson, some thing he has never done.

i dont know who will win because i dont trust any fight khan is involved in, but if peterson learns from the previous fight it will be interesting

walshb

section4 wrote: »

Peterson didnt win because of khans stupidity, every time khan struggles or gets beat there are excuses for him, against presoctt he was too open, too open my arse he was stunned by the first jab that hit him because he has a problem when hit solidly on the head. That cant be rectified

Well, since the Prescott loss I think it is evident that Khan's ability to absorb a shot and persevere has definitely improved. Hit a fair few times now solidly by different fighters at higher weights and he has reacted well.

corny

walshb wrote: »

Well, since the Prescott loss I think it is evident that Khan's ability to absorb a shot and persevere has definitely improved. Hit a fair few times now solidly by different fighters at higher weights and he has reacted well.

Agreed. Compare Prescotts jab to the massive shots he took against Maidana. Shown definite improvement.

section4

corny wrote: »

Agreed. Compare Prescotts jab to the massive shots he took against Maidana. Shown definite improvement.

i would not be too sure about that

but my point was people were saying oh he started cold etc, oh he has a better defence now. i dont agree. i think he is just as vulernable but they have made a concious attempt to match him with safe fights as much as they can while at the same time mantain a bit of credability

i think he still has a problem when he gets hit, i dont call standing on the ropes and shaking your head after taking a shot an improvement, i call taking the shot and fighting right back an improvemnt and exchanging punches, he cant do this. because if he does for any period of time he is in trouble, time will tell

walshb

section4 wrote: »

i would not be too sure about that

but my point was people were saying oh he started cold etc, oh he has a better defence now. i dont agree. i think he is just as vulernable but they have made a concious attempt to match him with safe fights as much as they can while at the same time mantain a bit of credability

i think he still has a problem when he gets hit, i dont call standing on the ropes and shaking your head after taking a shot an improvement, i call taking the shot and fighting right back an improvemnt and exchanging punches, he cant do this. because if he does for any period of time he is in trouble, time will tell

With all due respect, this is not what you implied in the other post. You said that Khan has a problem when hit solidly on the head, and that this cannot be rectified?

Matching him with safe fights? What? Maidana safe? LP safe? Judah was IBF champ.

I don't understand this. He has fought the best in the division. Not all, but some of the top men. Guy can't win. He fights MAB and he gets slated for fighting small past it men, which I agree with, and then he fights bigger men at peak, who are supposedly heavy hitters, Maidana, and he gets criticised.

You also say he is still vulnerable. I think he is too, but you cannot deny that there has been a marked improvement in his reaction to getting hit clean and solid.

Then, you say about him standing on the ropes and taking shots without knowing what to do. Again, yes, he seems lost, but that is a separate issue. That comes down to simply NOT knowing how to fight off the ropes, fight in close. He still is now taking a better shot than previous years at 135 lbs.

The whole issue is that he has seemed to improve/rectify his ability to take a shot. By no means is he now Hagler like, but to say that nothing has been rectified, or that he has not shown an improvement as regards his ability to take a good shot is off the mark from what I can see.

section4

walshb wrote: »

With all due respect, this is not what you implied in the other post. You said that Khan has a problem when hit solidly on the head, and that this cannot be rectified?

Matching him with safe fights? What? Maidana safe? LP safe? Judah was IBF champ.


/B]I don't understand this. He has fought the best in the division. Not all, but some of the top men. Guy can't win. He fights MAB and he gets slated for fighting small past it men, which I agree with, and then he fights bigger men at peak, who are supposedly heavy hitters, Maidana, and he gets criticised.

You also say he is still vulnerable. I think he is too, but you cannot deny that there has been a marked improvement in his reaction to getting hit clean and solid.

Then, you say about him standing on the ropes and taking shots without knowing what to do. Again, yes, he seems lost, but that is a separate issue. That comes down to simply NOT knowing how to fight off the ropes, fight in close. He still is now taking a better shot than previous years at 135 lbs.

The whole issue is that he has seemed to improve/rectify his ability to take a shot. By no means is he now Hagler like, but to say that nothing has been rectified, or that he has not shown an improvement as regards his ability to take a good shot is off the mark from what I can see.

Oision Fagan 35 never has been Powder puff puncher
Marco Antonio Barrera 35 has been, well pat it, khan still struggled
Andty Kotelnick 32 very average powder puff puncher
Dmity Salita 27 not even average powder puff puncher
Paul Malliniagi 30 has been powder puff puncher
Marcos Rene Maidana 27 good puncher not much else khan struggled
Paul McCloskey 32 average powder puff pincher
Zab Judah 34 past it powder puff puncher

yes that a real live list of dangerous fightert, note the age profile since he fought prescott,