Bodkin roundabout roadworks

lolita60

Is it just me or does this sound DAFT altogether http://www.galwaynews.ie/23636-plans-galway-shopping-centre-roundabout-passed:rolleyes:

Interceptor

Yip, thats nuts alright.

'cptr

beardybrewer

We talking about the roundabout being daft on the shower of **** who passed it?

Personally I think of all the roundabouts in Galway I've seen confused or reckless driving and near misses this is the worst. I can just imagine what poor tourists think when encountering that monstrosity. Also, it is lame you can't turn right out of Woodies/Currys. After years of moaning at least they are spending the time and money to actually do something about it.

schween

What's daft is the roundabout that's there currently. Get rid of it!

xflyer

It's quite noticeable that the traffic flows easier when the traffic lights there fail. Even if that means taking your life into your hands. The traffic lights there are little help. Those of you familiar with Dublin may have come across the famous Walkinstown roundabout, six roads converge on it, some with multiple lanes. But it works because the council resisted the urge to put in traffic lights.

Something has to be done anyway and it seems Briarhill was a success.

Iwannahurl

There's more to roundabouts and signals than traffic flows.

I'm curious about the other roundabout that Catherine Connolly reportedly got vexed about.

http://www.galwaynews.ie/23636-plans-galway-shopping-centre-roundabout-passed

Which one is it, and what's her problem with it?

dloob

Iwannahurl wrote: »

There's more to roundabouts and signals than traffic flows.

I'm curious about the other roundabout that Catherine Connolly reportedly got vexed about.

http://www.galwaynews.ie/23636-plans-galway-shopping-centre-roundabout-passed

Which one is it, and what's her problem with it?

Probably the one at the back of the Hospital.
She has mentioned it before.
It needs to change to four entrances so the hospital exit needs to move.
One proposal was to go through some park land and join the seamus quirke road and she opposes this.

CityofDawros

I fear for my life every time I take the inside lane going up to the Joyce roundabout. I can't count the amount of times someone has almost crashed into me there

Doc Ruby

Coming from westside going into tescos there you have no option but to cut directly across two lanes of traffic. I usually lean on the horn just in case oncoming traffic doesn't see my indicator. Heading into town from westside there is almost as lethal.

Sponge Bob

No you don't unless you are a complete bloody idiot.

You are in the right hand lane when you reach the roundabout from the bridge. You stay right on roundabout and you have a choice of 3 lanes to nip into...the leftmost of which is for Tesco.

Iwannahurl

CityofDawros wrote: »

I fear for my life every time I take the inside lane going up to the Joyce roundabout. I can't count the amount of times someone has almost crashed into me there

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Coming from westside going into tescos there you have no option but to cut directly across two lanes of traffic. I usually lean on the horn just in case oncoming traffic doesn't see my indicator. Heading into town from westside there is almost as lethal.

And that's what it can feel like when travelling in a car...

Doc Ruby

Sponge Bob wrote: »

No you don't unless you are a complete bloody idiot.

You are in the right hand lane when you reach the roundabout from the bridge. You stay right on roundabout and you have a choice of 3 lanes to nip into...the leftmost of which is for Tesco.

If you stay in the right lane you still have to cut across two lanes. The correct route is through the middle lane and straight to the lights beside the tesco turnoff, which only one lane goes into. Unless you fancy riding around the roundabout until you get a break in the traffic or just bulling through.

Sponge Bob

You cut across nothing, look at the paint on the road willya

Doc Ruby

Sponge Bob wrote: »

You cut across nothing, look at the paint on the road willya

The same paint where a lane gets magicked out of nowhere on the curry's side and another starts up out of the blue near the tescos side?

Whatever the case it cannot be claimed that its a well designed roundabout.

Iwannahurl

The Bodkin Roundabout is an old favourite here.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=75186837

Some think the sprouting lane is a top idea.

Sponge Bob

Doc Ruby wrote: »

The same paint where a lane gets magicked out of nowhere on the curry's side and another starts up out of the blue near the tescos side?

Whatever the case it cannot be claimed that its a well designed roundabout.

It isn't anyway......and you said you came from Westside not Currys.

Iwannahurl wrote: »

The Bodkin Roundabout is an old favourite here.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=75186837

Some think the sprouting lane is a top idea.

More think a Galway Bypass is a top idea ....then we need not drive thru that tip on the Headford Road

Doc Ruby

Sponge Bob wrote: »

It isn't anyway......and you said you came from Westside not Currys.

So? Its a shitty roundabout. I have no problems whatsoever with any other roundabout in the city or indeed any other I've come across in the country, and I'm far from alone in that. So mind your idiot comments like a good lad.

Sponge Bob

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Coming from westside going into tescos there you have no option but to cut directly across two lanes of traffic.l.

Your words!!!!

Googles Picture!!

A completely sh1te roundabout....but there are coping strategies.

Doc Ruby

Sponge Bob wrote: »

A completely sh1te roundabout

Glad you admit it.

Sponge Bob

I loathe the thing...but I am careful about not crossing white lines....however inappropriately they are seemingly drawn. That is why I pay €270 a year Full Comp.

Doc Ruby

Sponge Bob wrote: »

That is why I pay €270 a year Full Comp.

Only €30 less than me... I wouldn't use it much regardless.

bobbytables

Hang on, when coming over the bridge towards Bodkin roundabout, I use the right lane on entering roundabout, keep right at next set of lights approaching Sean mulvoy exit, then as you say, cross two lanes to access the left lane so I can nip in to Tescos.

It feels wrong but I can't see any other way unless....
You access roundabout (from bridge) on middle lane. You proceed to left lane at the bottom of Sean Mulvoy exit and then cross over to left lane for Tesco exit. Now if you did that while someone did what I described in first paragraph above, there would be a collision. So my understanding is that those in the left lane at the bottom of Sean Mulvoy can only go up that way & not to Tescos.

Now please tell me I've been using that roundabout correctly because I pass through it all the time, never look back & may have killed dozens of people without realizing, if not

Sponge Bob

That nearly sounded right Bobby, wanna rephrase??

Doc Ruby

bobbytables wrote: »

Now please tell me I've been using that roundabout correctly because I pass through it all the time, never look back & may have killed dozens of people without realizing, if not

No I think you and sb have it right, although he's got an unmannerly way of putting it.

Sponge Bob

C'mon Doc, lose your no claims bonus!?? Feck That. Follow the white lines!

Doc Ruby

Sponge Bob wrote: »

C'mon Doc, lose your no claims bonus!?? Feck That. Follow the white lines!

Ah now sb, we both know the only reason I pay a little more insurance than you is because I drive a bigger, faster car.

Sponge Bob

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Ah now sb, we both know the only reason I pay a little more insurance than you is because I drive a bigger, faster car.

318i , if you are in the left lane you will find me just to you right and just a tad ahead.

Here is a schematic. The X marks a decision point.

Doc Ruby

Sponge Bob wrote: »

318i , if you are in the left lane you will find me to your just right and just a tad ahead. Here is a schematic. The X marks a decision point.

Okay, but how does that make your car any bigger or faster.

Sponge Bob

You cannot get to Tesco thru me ...can you ????

Doc Ruby

Sponge Bob wrote: »

You cannot get to Tesco thru me ...can you ????

Still not seeing the relevance to the car size e-peen competition.

Sponge Bob

Stay Visible Doc...and if you are able to do that much then stay a netch ahead of the car entering the roundabout from the Westside direction in the middle lane and thinking they will get to Tesco by crossing a white line somewhere.

Generally they don't. Micras are the worst!

Doc Ruby

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Stay Visible Doc...

A bigger, faster car helps with that.

Just a quick recap for those not already bored out of their tits, I agreed you were right in the use of the roundabout and mentioned I did not use it very often, you agreed it was a particularly badly designed roundabout, ergo one would think that one would not have to be an idiot to get muddled up, especially if one does not use it very often, and plenty of people do get muddled up in such a manner.

And like a dog with a bone or someone that doesn't win internet arguments very often, you started talking about insurance premiums, so I mentioned that it was likely I pay €30 more because I drive a larger, faster vehicle, rather than your heavy hints about losing a no claims bonus. Having taken this round of internet e-peen to the next level, it occurs to me to wonder why am I even bothering. Really, why.

thesandeman

When the lights come in both of ye will have to stop your fancy cars and let us normal people walk across the road with our shopping.
YES WE CAN!!



(Or possibly Tiocfaidh Ar La).

Iwannahurl

thesandeman wrote: »

When the lights come in both of ye will have to stop your fancy cars and let us normal people walk across the road with our shopping.
YES WE CAN!!

(Or possibly Tiocfaidh Ar La).

Touché!

irishdude11

Iwannahurl wrote: »

The Bodkin Roundabout is an old favourite here.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=75186837

Some think the sprouting lane is a top idea.

It's isn't a sprouting top lane. The roundabout is a 3 lane roundabout all the way around except at the top where it reduces to two lanes momentarily at the top traffic lights.

The cars coming onto the roundabout from the 'north' direction are coming from 3 lanes which match up perfectly with the 3 lanes of the roundabout so there is no problem.

The cars coming from the west and who are stopped at the top lights have no issue either, the car on the inside lane will actually have even more space after they go through the lights as they can choose from either the middle or inner lane.

Whatever issues there are with roundabouts in galway that is not one of them.

Iwannahurl

irishdude11 wrote: »

It's isn't a sprouting top lane.

Whatever issues there are with roundabouts in galway that is not one of them.

Some confusion here. The "sprouting lane" is at 6 o'clock.

The Bodkin is a stupid dangerous mess no matter what way you look at it. Good riddance I say. I just hope the new junction delivers the goods in terms of safety and convenience for all road users, especially those who not only are adding nothing to traffic congestion but are actually alleviating it.

antoobrien

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Some confusion here. The "sprouting lane" is at 6 o'clock.

This came up on the previous thread - I still don't see the problem with it.

One should be on the rightmost lane to go to the QB (coming from Ballinfoyle). The "sprouting" lane keeps QB bound traffic on target by pushing it away from the RAB, while making room for the Ballinfoyle bound traffic (which can stay in line and turn right).

Simple really.

The big problem here, as with most of the junctions in Ireland (this is not anywhere near a situation unique to Galway), is that policing junctions isn't sexy enough for the traffic corps.

Iwannahurl

The big problem in Ireland is that stupid ugly roundabouts are considered sexy by some.








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antoobrien

Iwannahurl wrote: »

The big problem in Ireland is that stupid ugly roundabouts are considered sexy by some.

What, no explanation of why I'm wrong that this RAB shouldn't and can't work, when the evidence points to the fact that the lights are the problem with it.

connemara man

I go round the roundabout a lot and the only "issue" i have with it is trying to get into the Galway shopping center from the quincentinial bridge the 2 to 3 lane makes it awkward. If people didn't cross lanes and actually do what they are supposed to on it it would work well enough

Iwannahurl

The fundamental flaw with Irish roundabouts is their design. Bad (and dangerous) driving is a widespread problem, but is the Traffic Corps in a position to regularly police the many junctions that would work better if they were designed properly?

I see the TC so rarely I can't help forming the impression that they are spread rather thinly on the ground. In the past few years I have personally encountered only a couple of checkpoints, one for speed on the Quincentenary Bridge (where speeding is endemic) and one for motor tax etc on the west side of the city. There may also have been another on the WDR.

Incidentally, some years ago AGS found the problem of 'queue jumping' on a roundabout in Oranmore to be so serious that they stationed a squad car there and nabbed a bunch of motorists using the wrong lane.

In Galway City, 25% of collisions occur on roundabouts according to AGS and these junctions have been repeatedly identified by bus users, pedestrians and cyclists as a hazard and a barrier. I doubt that policing each and every junction would fix these fundamental flaws.

antoobrien

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Incidentally, some years ago AGS found the problem of 'queue jumping' on a roundabout in Oranmore to be so serious that they stationed a squad car there and nabbed a bunch of motorists using the wrong lane.

In Galway City, 25% of collisions occur on roundabouts according to AGS and these junctions have been repeatedly identified by bus users, pedestrians and cyclists as a hazard and a barrier. I doubt that policing each and every junction would fix these fundamental flaws.

Doing it more than once or twice a decade has to help.

I know one of the traffic wardens in the city council. For years he begged the council to paint yellow boxes on various roundabouts be given powers to hand out tickets at junctions for improper use (don't know if this is legal).

Could you imagine what the moneen would have been like with one of those lads down there taking snaps of you breaking the laws. It would have sorted it out in short order - no need to spend the better part of a million "fixing" the problem (which could be better spent of surfaces of paths & roads, water, maintenance of mutton island - take your pick)

Iwannahurl

I absolutely agree that more enforcement is necessary. The truth is that I see TC vehicles (very often single-occupant) frequently, but I almost never encounter them visibly and actively in the process of enforcement. As a motorist, therefore, my experience tells me that the chances of ever being nabbed in Galway City for road traffic offences are very slim. Same goes for illegal parking.

As it happens I am a law-abiding sort (these days ) so this has no effect on me. However, it is self-evident that thousands of drivers are happy to break road traffic laws, or parking regulations, every hour of every day, in the blissful knowledge that they will most likely get away with it.

We don't do compliance or enforcement very well in this country. Yellow boxes have had little appreciable impact overall, I would suggest, in the same way that speed limits, Yield signs, double yellow lines, disabled parking bays and footpaths are far from being a guarantee that drivers will behave considerately and within the law.

Neither are such measures a guarantee that the enforcers will act either. It is my experience, and I have direct evidence of some of it, that AGS and Traffic Wardens routinely ignore traffic and parking offences.

buzz11

How do you find out which way the each councillor voted ?
(www.galwaycitynews.ie only says it was passed 7 to 5)

snubbleste

buzz11 wrote: »

How do you find out which way the each councillor voted ?
(www.galwaycitynews.ie only says it was passed 7 to 5)

You wait another month till the minutes of the meeting are adopted and then they are posted on the Council website. Alternatively contact a councillor and ask.
I think it was the five Labour councillors who voted against.

Iwannahurl

buzz11 wrote: »

How do you find out which way the each councillor voted ?
(www.galwaycitynews.ie only says it was passed 7 to 5)

Unless there is a formal Roll Call Vote there is no official record of how each individual Councillor voted.

However, it's usually easy to find out informally. It might be in the papers, or as snubbleste suggests just ask a Councillor or two.

http://www.galwaycity.ie/AllServices/YourCouncil/CouncilMembers/

By the way, why do you ask?

fago

I know the previous thread was locked for going round in circles but what's the verdict on briarhill, after bedding in.
Better/worse/the same?Does it give hope for this project. Hopefully at least maddens get the tender, did a good job at Newcastle and briarhill.

buzz11

Iwannahurl wrote: »

By the way, why do you ask?

So that I can write to each one who voted in favor of the proposal and give 'em hell.

I sent in an observation on the proposal but haven't received an acknowledgement yet, but they've already voted the proposal through. Amazing how the process can be speeded up when it suits them

Vote 4 Pedro

fago wrote: »

I know the previous thread was locked for going round in circles but what's the verdict on briarhill, after bedding in.
Better/worse/the same?Does it give hope for this project. Hopefully at least maddens get the tender, did a good job at Newcastle and briarhill.

Briarhill is much better now the roundabout has gone,
Before the work was done I was one of those saying that "It will never work and a total waist of money"
But now it's finished I have to admit i was wrong because they seem to be working and doing a great job.

Sponge Bob

All 3 will be done says Tansey, TOGETHER, March to May.

http://www.galwaynews.ie/23702-more-mayhem-looming-three-roundabouts-set-be-removed

Motorists are bracing themselves for major traffic disruption this Spring as construction work on removing three more of the city’s roundabouts will be carried out simultaneously.

Construction work on the removal of the Bodkin roundabout, next to Galway Shopping Centre on the Headford Road, to make way for a signalised junction is due to start in early March, after it was given the green light by city councillors at a meeting on Monday.

Bodkin is by far the biggest project of the six roundabouts in the city that are to be removed. It is also the busiest junction in the city and motorists are braced for delays, particularly given that construction work will overlap with the removal of two other of the city’s roundabouts.

Construction work on the Bodkin roundabout will take three months to complete – the contractors will be under time pressure to deliver the project before the arrival of the Volvo Ocean Race in June. It has been put out to tender and the selection process of contractors begins at the end of January with work to begin in March.

Galway City Council has confirmed that construction work on removing Font roundabout (Tuam Road) and Morris roundabout (Ballybane) will commence in mid-February.

This delusional and overpaid civil servant again

Head of the Galway Transportation Unit, Joe Tansey, told the Galway City Tribune that traffic management plans will be put in place to minimise any disruption.

They will work ONLY IF THE DISRUPTIVE WORK IS DONE BETWEEN 10pm and 7am.

And will there be a park and ride for the 3 months???

antoobrien

Sponge Bob wrote: »

All 3 will be done says Tansey, TOGETHER, March to May.

http://www.galwaynews.ie/23702-more-mayhem-looming-three-roundabouts-set-be-removed



This delusional and overpaid civil servant again



They will work ONLY IF THE DISRUPTIVE WORK IS DONE BETWEEN 10pm and 7am.

And will there be a park and ride for the 3 months???

Three of the busiest junctions in Galway - together, wtf!

Sponge, please tell us you're a couple of months early with the april fools jokes.