Galway City Council Offices this eve

galwaybabe

Just saw a post on facebook that there is chaos down at the council offices. Any update?

snubbleste

Somebody forgot to bring the milk to make the tea.

I presume it's the household charge protest?

ben.schlomo

Yep its the OG and other leftist groups holding up council business even more than the councillors normally do and they are throwing chairs, very grown up by them really.:rolleyes:

skelliser

i was there will post photos later.

It was just abit of handbags!

inisboffin

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Yep its the OG and other leftist groups holding up council business even more than the councillors normally do and they are throwing chairs, very grown up by them really.:rolleyes:

Are they all holding group signs, or are you just assuming this? Seriously asking. I know some people who went and wouldn't be part of any group, just object to this form of household tax.

eire.man

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Yep its the OG and other leftist groups holding up council business even more than the councillors normally do and they are throwing chairs, very grown up by them really.:rolleyes:

ah will ya stop the fcuking lights!! if anybody threw a chair down there the garda would have arrested someone!! not one chair was thrown by anyone.

it's truly shocking the **** that people take from others protesting on all our behalf

this is not the first place i've seen this blatant lie trying to pass as gospel truth!!

antoobrien

eire.man wrote: »

ah will ya stop the fcuking lights!! if anybody threw a chair down there the garda would have arrested someone!! not one chair was thrown by anyone.

it's truly shocking the **** that people take from others protesting on all our behalf

this is not the first place i've seen this blatant lie trying to pass as gospel truth!!

http://www.galwaynews.ie/23628-gardai-escort-rowdy-protestors-city-council-chamber

GARDAI ESCORT ROWDY PROTESTORS FROM CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER


A meeting of Galway City Council had to be adjourned for a time this evening after a number of protestors stormed the Council Chamber.


The protest got underway around 3p.m. organised by the United Left Alliance branch in Galway against the household charge.


It started off peacefully outside city hall but became rowdy when protestors entered the chamber and threw chairs as Gardai removed them.


After 15 minutes of an adjournment, the meeting resumed and is well
underway at City Hall now. The protestors have also left the vicinty.

You won't mind suing the connacht tribune so for liable &/or slander &/or defamation.

Btw if the Gardaí didn't see who threw the chair(s), then they can only arrest someone if a complaint is made about a specific individual

inisboffin

Assuming there were chairs in the air I can understand not seeing where *a* chair came from, but not seeing who was throwing multiple ones? Something seems off here.

eire.man

antoobrien wrote: »

eire.man wrote: »

ah will ya stop the fcuking lights!! if anybody threw a chair down there the garda would have arrested someone!! not one chair was thrown by anyone.

it's truly shocking the **** that people take from others protesting on all our behalf

this is not the first place i've seen this blatant lie trying to pass as gospel truth!!

http://www.galwaynews.ie/23628-gardai-escort-rowdy-protestors-city-council-chamber

GARDAI ESCORT ROWDY PROTESTORS FROM CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER


A meeting of Galway City Council had to be adjourned for a time this evening after a number of protestors stormed the Council Chamber.


The protest got underway around 3p.m. organised by the United Left Alliance branch in Galway against the household charge.


It started off peacefully outside city hall but became rowdy when protestors entered the chamber and threw chairs as Gardai removed them.


After 15 minutes of an adjournment, the meeting resumed and is well
underway at City Hall now. The protestors have also left the vicinty.

You won't mind suing the connacht tribune so for liable &/or slander &/or defamation.

Btw if the Gardaí didn't see who threw the chair(s), then they can only arrest someone if a complaint is made about a specific individual

yes and if someone did throw a chair at an elected council official during their once a month meeting then every person who was recording the whole procedure (and there were many people if you had cared to come down and see for yourself!!) would have had their equipment siezed as evidence FACT!!

they didn't cos nobody threw a ****ing chair!! honestly, it as simple as that really

eire.man

i've stated this on another thread here already and the same goes for here, i'm reporting any posts spreading the lies being "reported" by galwayadvertiser.ie and galwaynews.ie

when the videos come out you will not see one chair being thrown at anyone, i seen the whole thing and it just did not happen

emptybladder

eire.man wrote: »

would have had their equipment siezed as evidence FACT!!

Don't be silly. You watch too much TV. Seized? Not a chance. Requested, yes.
Also, I'll choose to believe Galway Advertiser or galwaynews.ie over you if it's all the same.
So, you're saying they made up that a chair/chairs was/were thrown and the guards removed somebody from the chamber? Why would two rival news organisations make this up?

biko

Since chairs were reported thrown in the paper I'm ok with that until other proof has been produced but please be civil in the discussion.

Same rules as Occupy thread. Thx.

skelliser

i was there. Chairs in the shamozzle got pushed and upended.
A few chairs in the lobby got knocked over.

No one threw a chair.

There were plenty of people there with video so im sure it will be posted up.

ben.schlomo

eire.man wrote: »

ah will ya stop the fcuking lights!! if anybody threw a chair down there the garda would have arrested someone!! not one chair was thrown by anyone.

it's truly shocking the **** that people take from others protesting on all our behalf

this is not the first place i've seen this blatant lie trying to pass as gospel truth!!

Once again you are NOT protesting on my behalf, so get that great martyrdom attitude out of your head.

Pure Sound

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Once again you are NOT protesting on my behalf, so get that great martyrdom attitude out of your head.

Do you agree with the household charge so?

ben.schlomo

We Need Community wrote: »

Do you agree with the household charge so?

Doesn't affect me as i am renting. If i had to pay it i would. The economy is in a mess, the govt has no money, we all need to our bit and take one for the team so to speak. Even if i had a strong opinion on it im offended by the idea of these serial protestors semi-violently holding up meetings and claiming to do it for all of us, 'they' dont represent everyone and need to understand this.

Mollie Breathna

skelliser wrote: »

i was there. Chairs in the shamozzle got pushed and upended.
A few chairs in the lobby got knocked over.

No one threw a chair.

There were plenty of people there with video so im sure it will be posted up.

So where's this video then?
Chairs got more than "pushed and upended" -there was at least one chair raised over someone's head in a threatening manner.
Completely disgraceful behaviour by the protestors with no respect for democracy. Whether you personally agree or disagree with the Councillors or
not, they were elected in a democratic process.
Peaceful protest is one thing but this lot inside the foyer and Chamber in City Hall this evening were a rabble engaging in threatening behaviour against a body of elected representatives that has nothing to do with either the imposition or collection of the Household Charge.

skelliser

Mollie Breathna wrote: »

So where's this video then?
Chairs got more than "pushed and upended" -there was at least one chair raised over someone's head in a threatening manner.
Completely disgraceful behaviour by the protestors with no respect for democracy. Whether you personally agree or disagree with the Councillors or
not, they were elected in a democratic process.
Peaceful protest is one thing but this lot inside the foyer and Chamber in City Hall this evening were a rabble engaging in threatening behaviour against a body of elected representatives that has nothing to do with either the imposition or collection of the Household Charge.

where you there?


i was and i have photos.
I didnt see any chairs being thrown our raised over heads!

And the "rabble" as you call them, well over 50% of what i could see were actually OAP's!!
one of which was a blind man!!

Mollie Breathna

Yes, I was there. Chairs were pushed with extreme force through the public gallery after the double doors from the foyer were forced open. At least one chair was raised above shoulder height in a manner which threatened the people in the council chamber.

50% of the people who took part in the protest outside may well be OAPs but the 8 or 10 who were inside at the meeting and the 4 or 5 who forced their way in were definitely not OAPS and were attempting, in most cases, to be as intimidating as possible.

skelliser

well i didnt see that as i was not in the chamber but in the lobby.

il post photos in the morn when i get a chance.

Mrs OBumble

We Need Community wrote: »

Do you agree with the household charge so?

Yes.

It's ridiculous that land tax is based on transactions (rare, once in a lifetime events for many), rather than on-going property values.

This tax was removed as a vote-catcher measure in the 1970s, and needs to be re-instated.

eire.man

biko wrote: »

Since chairs were reported thrown in the paper I'm ok with that until other proof has been produced but please be civil in the discussion.

Same rules as Occupy thread. Thx.

so now the galway advertiser has removed the story from their facebook can we see an end to the anti occupy propaganda now please??

eire.man

Mollie Breathna wrote: »

skelliser wrote: »

i was there. Chairs in the shamozzle got pushed and upended.
A few chairs in the lobby got knocked over.

No one threw a chair.

There were plenty of people there with video so im sure it will be posted up.

So where's this video then?
Chairs got more than "pushed and upended" -there was at least one chair raised over someone's head in a threatening manner.
Completely disgraceful behaviour by the protestors with no respect for democracy. Whether you personally agree or disagree with the Councillors or
not, they were elected in a democratic process.
Peaceful protest is one thing but this lot inside the foyer and Chamber in City Hall this evening were a rabble engaging in threatening behaviour against a body of elected representatives that has nothing to do with either the imposition or collection of the Household Charge.

arah stop!! the cheeky fcukers in the council who have made some mental statements towards people breaking no laws and the only way we can be heard is by being loud and if you thought there was real anger there this evening well then i hope things improve for 100% of, b4 a lot of the country goes and snaps!!

Mollie Breathna

eire.man wrote: »

so now the galway advertiser has removed the story from their facebook can we see an end to the anti occupy propaganda now please??

Still on www.galwaynews.ie

GARDAI ESCORT ROWDY PROTESTORS FROM CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER
January 9, 2012 - 6:14pm
GARDAI ESCORT ROWDY PROTESTORS FROM CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER

A meeting of Galway City Council had to be adjourned for a time this evening after a number of protestors stormed the Council Chamber.

The protest got underway around 3p.m. organised by the United Left Alliance branch in Galway against the household charge.

It started off peacefully outside city hall but became rowdy when protestors entered the chamber and threw chairs as Gardai removed them.

After 15 minutes of an adjournment, the meeting resumed and is well
underway at City Hall now. The protestors have also left the vicinty.

eire.man

wait and see mollie, it wont be there tomorrow i guarantee ya!!

Predalien

Whatever about the protest, it really displays an incredible lack of professionalism at the Tribune to report as fact that the protesters were throwing chairs, it doesn't take much to put in the word allegedly.

thesandeman

Reminds me of the cement mixer that was 'driven through'/'smashed into' the gates of the Dail last year.
Reporters love the attention.

JJayoo

"Chairs thrown" sounds a lot better than "chairs pushed to one side"

PomBear

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Once again you are NOT protesting on my behalf, so get that great martyrdom attitude out of your head.

We Need Community wrote: »

Do you agree with the household charge so?

ben.schlomo is a big FG supporter/member, don't think that opinion carries much weight...

padraig47

We Need Community wrote: »

Do you agree with the household charge so?

Yes. I find it ironic that a so-called left alliance is opposed to a property tax. The charge is only an interim charge on the way to tax property. The protesters do not speak for me. I object to any intimidation of elected representatives, even if I do not always agree with said representatives.

thesandeman

I see Galwaynews have downgraded the story to 'at one stage a protester picked up a chair but was prevented from throwing it.

Their new award winning journalistic scoop is 'all hell broke loose in the chamber' in a story about the shopping centre roundabout.

biko

So no chairs were thrown? And "prevented from throwing it" could mean "held chair" as we cannot know the intention of the person. This means to me the papers were wrong/ jumped to conclusions?
Also no arrests were done.

Hello world

So someone lifted a chair above shoulder hight im not sure about the rest of you but I would consider that to be violent or threating given the circumstances.

antoobrien

biko wrote: »

So no chairs were thrown? And "prevented from throwing it" could mean "held chair" as we cannot know the intention of the person. This means to me the papers were wrong/ jumped to conclusions?
Also no arrests were done.

http://www.galwaynews.ie/23632-gardaí-keep-angry-crowd-storming-galway-city-council-meeting

The protest started noisily but was nonviolent at first until shortly after the City Council meeting got underway – then scores of angry demonstrators attempted to barge and force their way into the chamber. Galway Gardaí successfully kept the crowd at bay. The protestors had pried open the main large doors of the chamber, which double as walls, and attempted to pour forward into the room but Gardaí repelled the surge and also ejected members of the public from the chamber.

At one stage a protestor picked up a chair but he was prevented from throwing it.

Biko why the hell was the individual lifting a chair in the first place?

At the least it was public disorder (i.e. not leaving when asked), at worst it was in preparation for assault.

This property tax was voted in by the Dáil - the United Left Alliance who seemed to be the organisers of this protest (facebook.com/events/) [Edit - just spotted that that event had all of 31 people attending so it might not be the principal organising platform] had their opportunity to vote against this but since they don't have the support of the masses and have only five members in the Dáil it passed.

That is the democratic process - trying to interrupt meetings is not.

If you are so convinced of your ideas stand in the next local elections which will be due in two and a bit years.

Looking through electionsireland.org the ULA or people before profit don't even seem to have fielded a candidate in Galway in the last general election. [edit 2 - they might not have been organised in Galway at the time]

As for the point of there being real anger there - anger isn't going to pay the bills.

Predalien

padraig47 wrote: »

Yes. I find it ironic that a so-called left alliance is opposed to a property tax. The charge is only an interim charge on the way to tax property. The protesters do not speak for me. I object to any intimidation of elected representatives, even if I do not always agree with said representatives.

A charge that does not in anyway take into account ability to pay is not fair, that's fairly simple whether you a lefty, righty or anything in between.

It is likely the property taxes will be fairly high and unfortunately most of the money will be wasted funding incompetent and inefficient local councils who have a serious financial shortfall. We already pay for our bins, we will soon be paying for water, we have amongst the highest road taxes in Europe, we have feck all parks, community swimming pools, general amenities. Local public transport systems are very poor. If funding raised by a property tax was ring-fenced to actually provide services (perhaps even create community jobs) and was carefully assessed to see who should/can pay, then fine. Right now though it's just another crude attempt to plug the gap, with more money heading into a black hole.

Elected representatives spend a lot of time intimidating us with scaremongering rubbish (Derek Nolan sent leaflets around the day after the budget with scary numbers and no solutions). I doubt a protest group made up in a large part by pensioners caused too much intimidation. As elected representatives they should expect to be challenged. No one was hurt and it sounds like local media blew this whole thing out of proportion.

eire.man

Hello world wrote: »

So someone lifted a chair above shoulder hight im not sure about the rest of you but I would consider that to be violent or threating given the circumstances.

will ya stop, were you there???

the guy lifted the chair/s to move them out of ghe way when all hell had broken lose and people had nowhere to turn in the ****ty small room they have the meeting in,

there was nobody at the protest who would be so stupid as to "throw a chair" at an elected official (at this stage anyway!!)

we are not animals, scum, or anything of the sort so please stop trying to make out from the comfort of your laptops that there was something in what you did not see for yourself!!

eire.man

antoobrien wrote: »

biko wrote: »

So no chairs were thrown? And "prevented from throwing it" could mean "held chair" as we cannot know the intention of the person. This means to me the papers were wrong/ jumped to conclusions?
Also no arrests were done.

http://www.galwaynews.ie/23632-gardaí-keep-angry-crowd-storming-galway-city-council-meeting

The protest started noisily but was nonviolent at first until shortly after the City Council meeting got underway – then scores of angry demonstrators attempted to barge and force their way into the chamber. Galway Gardaí successfully kept the crowd at bay. The protestors had pried open the main large doors of the chamber, which double as walls, and attempted to pour forward into the room but Gardaí repelled the surge and also ejected members of the public from the chamber.

At one stage a protestor picked up a chair but he was prevented from throwing it.

Biko why the hell was the individual lifting a chair in the first place?

At the least it was public disorder (i.e. not leaving when asked), at worst it was in preparation for assault.

I guarantee you galwaynew.ie will go further with recaning their bull**** this afternoon!!

they didn't go far enough with their editing as now people are still reading it and making their minds up that someone tried to throw a chair, wtf!!!!

NOBODY TRIED/OR WOULD HAVE TRIED TO THROW A CHAIR AT THE COUNCILLORS!!

Anger won't pay the bills, sure, same as just bending over won't prevent a rape in progress!!

Hello world

eire.man wrote: »

Hello world wrote: »

So someone lifted a chair above shoulder hight im not sure about the rest of you but I would consider that to be violent or threating given the circumstances.

will ya stop, were you there???

the guy lifted the chair/s to move them out of ghe way when all hell had broken lose and people had nowhere to turn in the ****ty small room they have the meeting in,

there was nobody at the protest who would be so stupid as to "throw a chair" at an elected official (at this stage anyway!!)

we are not animals, scum, or anything of the sort so please stop trying to make out from the comfort of your laptops that there was something in what you did not see for yourself!!

No I wasn't there but Mollie Breathna said he was and he also said at least one chair was raised above shoulder height. No one is arguing if the chair was thrown or not except you. And as far as I'm concerned it was a stupid move by the protestor to lift a chair like that regardless if he wanted to throw it or not
And I never tried to make it out as if I was there sorry if you got that idea (also I'm
On a desktop)
You really need to calm yourself down a bit

eire.man

Hello world wrote: »

eire.man wrote: »

Hello world wrote: »

So someone lifted a chair above shoulder hight im not sure about the rest of you but I would consider that to be violent or threating given the circumstances.

will ya stop, were you there???

the guy lifted the chair/s to move them out of ghe way when all hell had broken lose and people had nowhere to turn in the ****ty small room they have the meeting in,

there was nobody at the protest who would be so stupid as to "throw a chair" at an elected official (at this stage anyway!!)

we are not animals, scum, or anything of the sort so please stop trying to make out from the comfort of your laptops that there was something in what you did not see for yourself!!

No I wasn't there but Mollie Breathna said he was and he also said at least one chair was raised above shoulder height. No one is arguing if the chair was thrown or not except you. And as far as I'm concerned it was a stupid move by the protestor to lift a chair like that regardless if he wanted to throw it or not
And I never tried to make it out as if I was there sorry if you got that idea (also I'm
On a desktop)
You really need to calm yourself down a bit

calm myself down!! will i fcuk and i'll kindly ask you to not to patronise me again please. So now we've gone from you firmly believing the chair was thrown, to ok it wasnt thrown but it looked like it was going to be but was hindered in someway, to now admitting you weren't there at all and instead you're telling me Mollie said he was so he was!! And to further show your ignorance you insist it was a stupid move by the protestor to move the chair above shoulder height in the first place, let me explain something to ya, if you were getting squashed, pushed and moved around a very small room and had nowhere to just push the chairs out of the way due to being confined then the only place a chair can go to be moved is up!!

i have worked in bars and when the place packss up i carried stock/buckets of ice through the crowds above my head, even furniture too to be honest, never once did i see a member of the public afraid for their safety if they seen me coming arms held high in the air!!

Mollie Breathna

eire.man wrote: »

NOBODY TRIED/OR WOULD HAVE TRIED TO THROW A CHAIR AT THE COUNCILLORS!!

I was there and saw the group burst through the double-doors, pushing chairs out of the way. I saw one of the group raise a chair above his head - much higher than necessary to just move it out of the way. It was intimidating and disorderly.

CONSTITUTION OF IRELAND – BUNREACHT NA hÉIREANN

Article 40. 6. 1° The State guarantees liberty for the exercise of the following rights, subject to public order and morality:

i. The right of the citizens to express freely their convictions and opinions.

The education of public opinion being, however, a matter of such grave import to the common good, the State shall endeavour to ensure that organs of public opinion, such as the radio, the press, the cinema, while preserving their rightful liberty of expression, including criticism of Government policy, shall not be used to undermine public order or morality or the authority of the State.

The publication or utterance of blasphemous, seditious, or indecent matter is an offence which shall be punishable in accordance with law.

ii. The right of the citizens to assemble peaceably and without arms.

Provision may be made by law to prevent or control meetings which are determined in accordance with law to be calculated to cause a breach of the peace or to be a danger or nuisance to the general public and to prevent or control meetings in the vicinity of either House of the Oireachtas.

iii. The right of the citizens to form associations and unions.

Laws, however, may be enacted for the regulation and control in the public interest of the exercise of the foregoing right.

Notwithstanding the right to assembly and protest above, this event changed from being a noisy, peaceful protest to being an attempt at intimidation; it was disorderly and a breach of the peace.
No-one has the right to behave the way some of these protesters did and they did their overall cause no good.
And eire.man, stop threatening to shut down legitimate reporting of the event.

inisboffin

I wasn't there first off. But it seems someone lifted a chair over their head according to reports. People are saying the intention of this person was/wasn't to threaten. It's not likely we will find out either way.

Now people are saying the chair was lifted "much higher that you would need to move it out of the way"..

Has anyone ever tried to move a chair in a crowded room, or say a room full of fast moving students? You DO lift a chair over your head so as not to take up the 'people' space at body level and poked by a leg or poke someone yourself. You lift it over your head, either legs up high, or by the legs usually.

So based on what I have read, and the fact that the papers have already 'downgraded', and two eye witness accounts at least on here, I think things were much exaggerated for sensationalism. And that someone lifted a chair. Woop de doo!

Predalien

Mollie Breathna wrote: »

And eire.man, stop threatening to shut down legitimate reporting of the event.

It is not legitimate reporting if it reports alleged incidents as facts, any half decent reporter would have the cop on to report what could be criminal actions as alleged incidents. The Tribune and Advertiser have both put themselves in a position where an action for defamation could be taken against them because of amateur reporting.

thesandeman

It will probably turn out in the end that somebody just wanted to make a point so they raised their hand and said 'through the chair'.

eire.man

thesandeman wrote: »

It will probably turn out in the end that somebody just wanted to make a point so they raised their hand and said 'through the chair'.

oh the puns!!

Hello world

eire.man wrote: »

calm myself down!! will i fcuk and i'll kindly ask you to not to patronise me again please. So now we've gone from you firmly believing the chair was thrown, to ok it wasnt thrown but it looked like it was going to be but was hindered in someway, to now admitting you weren't there at all and instead you're telling me Mollie said he was so he was!! And to further show your ignorance you insist it was a stupid move by the protestor to move the chair above shoulder height in the first place, let me explain something to ya, if you were getting squashed, pushed and moved around a very small room and had nowhere to just push the chairs out of the way due to being confined then the only place a chair can go to be moved is up!!

i have worked in bars and when the place packss up i carried stock/buckets of ice through the crowds above my head, even furniture too to be honest, never once did i see a member of the public afraid for their safety if they seen me coming arms held high in the air!!

I am discussing the news with other members of the forum some who were there and some who were not this thread is not exclusively for people who were at the protest.
And once again I couldn't care less where u har worked so please stop telling me
And I never made it out like I was there

padraig47

Predalien wrote: »

A charge that does not in anyway take into account ability to pay is not fair, that's fairly simple whether you a lefty, righty or anything in between.

It is likely the property taxes will be fairly high and unfortunately most of the money will be wasted funding incompetent and inefficient local councils who have a serious financial shortfall. We already pay for our bins, we will soon be paying for water, we have amongst the highest road taxes in Europe, we have feck all parks, community swimming pools, general amenities. Local public transport systems are very poor. If funding raised by a property tax was ring-fenced to actually provide services (perhaps even create community jobs) and was carefully assessed to see who should/can pay, then fine. Right now though it's just another crude attempt to plug the gap, with more money heading into a black hole.

Elected representatives spend a lot of time intimidating us with scaremongering rubbish (Derek Nolan sent leaflets around the day after the budget with scary numbers and no solutions). I doubt a protest group made up in a large part by pensioners caused too much intimidation. As elected representatives they should expect to be challenged. No one was hurt and it sounds like local media blew this whole thing out of proportion.

If we do not raise taxes how do we pay for services, including social welfare ?

Predalien

padraig47 wrote: »

If we do not raise taxes how do we pay for services, including social welfare ?

Nowhere in my post suggested we do not raise taxes, what I stated was they should be raised in an equitable and fair manner which at present the household charge is not. On your point of social welfare, if we take it that 450,000 people are unemployed and the standard rate of welfare is €188 per week (I know a lot are on less than this and some are on more, but just for a ball park figure) then basic social welfare comes to about €4.4 billion, yet our entire budget for social welfare is €20.5 billion. There is clearly a lot of waste going on, to pay for services it is plainly obvious that the pay and working conditions of state employees have to be changed. This however is the Galway city forum so I'm not going to go into an economic discussion here.

padraig47

Predalien wrote: »

Nowhere in my post suggested we do not raise taxes, what I stated was they should be raised in an equitable and fair manner which at present the household charge is not. On your point of social welfare, if we take it that 450,000 people are unemployed and the standard rate of welfare is €188 per week (I know a lot are on less than this and some are on more, but just for a ball park figure) then basic social welfare comes to about €4.4 billion, yet our entire budget for social welfare is €20.5 billion. There is clearly a lot of waste going on, to pay for services it is plainly obvious that the pay and working conditions of state employees have to be changed. This however is the Galway city forum so I'm not going to go into an economic discussion here.

You have avoided the issue of property tax, which is the nub of the problem here. Property tax will help the local authorities and make our tax system fairer than it is, given that the PAYE sector pay an unfair tax burden compared to those who can emplOy accountants in the self employed sector.

Predalien

Predalien wrote: »

If funding raised by a property tax was ring-fenced to actually provide services (perhaps even create community jobs) and was carefully assessed to see who should/can pay, then fine.

This is what I stated earlier, as you can see I have no issue with a properly thought out property tax.

eire.man

Hello world wrote: »

eire.man wrote: »

calm myself down!! will i fcuk and i'll kindly ask you to not to patronise me again please. So now we've gone from you firmly believing the chair was thrown, to ok it wasnt thrown but it looked like it was going to be but was hindered in someway, to now admitting you weren't there at all and instead you're telling me Mollie said he was so he was!! And to further show your ignorance you insist it was a stupid move by the protestor to move the chair above shoulder height in the first place, let me explain something to ya, if you were getting squashed, pushed and moved around a very small room and had nowhere to just push the chairs out of the way due to being confined then the only place a chair can go to be moved is up!!

i have worked in bars and when the place packss up i carried stock/buckets of ice through the crowds above my head, even furniture too to be honest, never once did i see a member of the public afraid for their safety if they seen me coming arms held high in the air!!

I am discussing the news with other members of the forum some who were there and some who were not this thread is not exclusively for people who were at the protest.
And once again I couldn't care less where u har worked so please stop telling me
And I never made it out like I was there

so the truth behind your arguing last night and today here was that you were taking the account of every other person or source except for mine?

You stated that you wouldnt take the word of some random poster online about what happened at the protest, when i begin to prove the papers are lying you suddenly start jumping to other random sources from those who were or weren't down there,

trolling much?