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Druids Heath
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09-01-2012 2:54pm#1
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matt-dublin wrote: »Redzah, your name Alan by any chance?
25 points took saturday, if thats you you need to call em and say you played off the greens
Unfortunately not. I voiced my displeasure to Eamon in the pro shop afterwards, left him my card and told him to tell the competition committee to have a bit of consistency. On a better note, its good to see a results email go out.0 -
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matt-dublin wrote: »and u know what, the greens are kinda slow at the moment....
during the summer on holes such as 8/10/12/14/15/17 a little too much backspin can leave you 20/30 yards down the fairway.
the course forces you to think about how you play golf instead of just walking up and hitting it.
in a lot of courses in the country its very easy to walk up, wallop, land over on the next fairway and still recover. But not in the heath.
Matt.
I'm all for thinking, but I had a few balls land 6 feet from pin and have no next shot at all. It should not be a bare knuckle fist fight
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So your saying a shot can be a good one and end up in water on some of them holes, a good shot should not end up in water if you hit the green, what is wrong with a bit of a fringe ?
Anyway , I'll go again and see.0 -
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FixdePitchmark wrote: »Played last week.
Have to say the greens would not be my cup of tea (and I like fast greens), it was bit gusty and it sort of made them unplayable. They are so fast that even a slight wind has a large impact on ball and a slope is combined with this making it very hard work. Greens that you can end up in bunkers from are good fun when the pros are at it , but not great fun for mid handicap lads out having a game. Well it is fun cause you are just laughing at it.
If lads are single figures and play the place every week you could score , but being on a hotel site and having pasing trade breaks the hearts of the guests (but this is not a reason to judge the place, just a fact of the place). To be honest I love any top tough course, but can see why the place kills people. Horrible gorse behind fairway bunkers, if you don't hit the bunker your ball is gone, harsh.
Drops from greens 3ft from the pin to 30 ft drops into water , deep bunkers, walls, OB.
Trees in fairway at exact landing zone. Bunkers in middle of fairway at exact landing zone.
There are a good few bunkers and chip shots that a good bit of the time you will end up in far bunker or off green. As some have said if you played the course you would know the place on green to aim. But this is unusual for most courses.
The 2nd , I got caught for the 8 iron down the hill, bouncing and bouncing into a water hazard in front of guess what another water hazard. lol.
If you went with an A game in the summer with no wind , it could be a total joy, but perhaps the greens are even faster in the summer ?
Anyway , got my par on the index 1 so happy with that. But in the summer would have been in water as played driver.
But will go back with knowledge next time and see how I get on. Could love it next time, funny place. But sometimes with certain places it takes time , will see ?
I agree with some of what u say Pitchmark and others seems wide of the mark and may be more ur own frustration than the course itself.
The greens can be unplayable and unfair at times, the most difficult being 1, 8, 15 and 17. I think the pace of the greens is fine but the slopes are too severe in places and these greens need to be levelled out. This problem is augmented by the wind. If u end up in the bunker it is an awful putt even on these greens, they are not that severe.
In relation to the horrible gorse, the fairways are generous enough whereby if u miss them left or right and also miss the fairway bunker then IMO u can have no complaints being in the gorse.
I don't follow the point on the drops and i am unsure what u are referring to?
I'm not sure which trees in the fairway u are talking about but trees and fairway bunkers are normally placed in the fairway at the exact landing zone to stop people bombing drivers down to make the hole short and it forces a lay up further back as a defense to the course. I'm sure the bunker u are talking about in the fairway is 9 (or maybe 8). If this bunker was not there then u could bomb a driver over the hill and have a 40 yard pitch to the green, this bunker forces a lay up short of it and a longer shot of 125 yards in and thus makes u think about the hole, IMO this is well placed for this purpose.
If u chip from one end of the green into the bunker at the far side it is a poor chip regardless of the pace of the greens or the amount of bunkers.
On the 2nd, it has to be considered that the second shot is all down hill which means the ball will stay in the air longer and bounce further adding up to 30 yards without factoring in wind. An 8 iron is way too much club if u hit a good drive (especially one of ur 300 yarders) as a good drive on this hole normally leaves between 210 - 240 to the green, the water is about 80 yards short. Therefore assuming u have 240 which is a v average drive then all u have to do is hit an 8 160 downhill onto a downslope to go into the water, this should be considered and u can hardly blame the course for this.
On the 12th, a big drive from the front green tees can go into the water but not from the whites (regular tees), not even for one of ur monster drives. Well done on making the par.
DH definately divides opinion, i personally love playing a course in this type of condition regularly as it blows away most courses in terms of condition in my opinion, i cannot remember playing a non links course in such good condition during the january/february period and i regularly play Adare when i go down to the homeland0 -
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I agree with some of what u say Pitchmark and others seems wide of the mark and may be more ur own frustration than the course itself.
The greens can be unplayable and unfair at times, the most difficult being 1, 8, 15 and 17. I think the pace of the greens is fine but the slopes are too severe in places and these greens need to be levelled out. This problem is augmented by the wind. If u end up in the bunker it is an awful putt even on these greens, they are not that severe.
In relation to the horrible gorse, the fairways are generous enough whereby if u miss them left or right and also miss the fairway bunker then IMO u can have no complaints being in the gorse.
I don't follow the point on the drops and i am unsure what u are referring to?
I'm not sure which trees in the fairway u are talking about but trees and fairway bunkers are normally placed in the fairway at the exact landing zone to stop people bombing drivers down to make the hole short and it forces a lay up further back as a defense to the course. I'm sure the bunker u are talking about in the fairway is 9 (or maybe 8). If this bunker was not there then u could bomb a driver over the hill and have a 40 yard pitch to the green, this bunker forces a lay up short of it and a longer shot of 125 yards in and thus makes u think about the hole, IMO this is well placed for this purpose.
If u chip from one end of the green into the bunker at the far side it is a poor chip regardless of the pace of the greens or the amount of bunkers.
On the 2nd, it has to be considered that the second shot is all down hill which means the ball will stay in the air longer and bounce further adding up to 30 yards without factoring in wind. An 8 iron is way too much club if u hit a good drive (especially one of ur 300 yarders) as a good drive on this hole normally leaves between 210 - 240 to the green, the water is about 80 yards short. Therefore assuming u have 240 which is a v average drive then all u have to do is hit an 8 160 downhill onto a downslope to go into the water, this should be considered and u can hardly blame the course for this.
On the 12th, a big drive from the front green tees can go into the water but not from the whites (regular tees), not even for one of ur monster drives. Well done on making the par.
DH definately divides opinion, i personally love playing a course in this type of condition regularly as it blows away most courses in terms of condition in my opinion, i cannot remember playing a non links course in such good condition during the january/february period and i regularly play Adare when i go down to the homeland
Fair enough ,
Was playing greens after what lads said here, was with two high hcap lads , have changed shaft to stiff, have lost a good bit off drive but way more accurate. There was no roll on the fairways at all , but I would not say it is a long course. But I was playing greens , would like to go back in summer and play whites.
Yes the green into 1 is a joke, i hit a good wedge and it bounced on green and went into back trees.
Yes made a bad mistake on 2, should have gone for it, but it does not look nice after you have played the green on hole 1.
6 iron onto 3, hard bounce on green into back gorse, after bunker.
Drive and 5 iron onto 4 (par 5)
That 6th is a nightmare if you are short , was.
Drive and wedge into most par 4 (even 12) even (Lw).
Yes you could hit one in the water from greens on 12, was only 12 ft from it in winter.
Redzah could you reach 13 with a great one, have you seen anybody go for it, wind etc.
How do you play 18 ?
10 you should just give it a good lash and no trouble if you get over bunker. Good bounce , was only 40 yrds off green to keep you happy Redzah (Lol). Big Bounce, wind Behind a good kick (lol)
I think if the greens were a little easier, it would be a joy to go back.
Anyway Redzah, you look at the game like a man with a full trophy cabinet, you have lost touch with us hackers.
Had about 6 3 putts. Was in about 8 bunkers. The rough and the smooth.0 -
FixdePitchmark wrote: »Yes the green into 1 is a joke, i hit a good wedge and it bounced on green and went into back trees.
Yes made a bad mistake on 2, should have gone for it, but it does not look nice after you have played the green on hole 1.
6 iron onto 3, hard bounce on green into back gorse, after bunker.
Drive and 5 iron onto 4 (par 5)
That 6th is a nightmare if you are short , was.
Drive and wedge into most par 4 (even 12) even (Lw).
Yes you could hit one in the water from greens on 12, was only 12 ft from it in winter.
Redzah could you reach 13 with a great one, have you seen anybody go for it, wind etc.
How do you play 18 ?
1 shouldn't be too bad, the green's not hard to hold if you're using a decent ball, the problem though is that it sweeps MASSIVLY from right to left so if you're bumping in keep it right
2 is interesting and as redzah pointed out before the green is way below you but at times i find it hard to hold, if i go for it ill play short and to the right and hope to get a good kick from the hill on the right leading onto the green (good downslope then upslope gives a natural run onto the green)
3 is between an 8 and 6 depending on the wind off the greens, i think she was playing a 7 on sun, again sweeping green from right to left, keep her right and it should be ok, worst pin position is doen the front left.
4 shortish par 5, i prefer the whites, the teebox is at a much better angle giving you a really wide fairway.
5 (par 3) is more of a nightmare if you're long, chipping from the back makes it very very tough to hold.
6 off the whites is something liek 100 yards longer, and into the wind almost at times playes like a par 5!
12. i like to play conservatively, expecially if im playin better. In the summer with a driver its likely you'll end up in the water, i like to play a 2 iron off the tee and with the harder ground in the summer it rolls to the 150ish marker which is also the flatter part of the fairway
13 greened it once, using an R11. usually play a 6 off the tee to 130 and a wedge in. One of our other 2 handicappers goes for it on quite a regular basis. THe problem though is in the summer, the tree becomes a lot bigger and thicker so it requires a really high teeshot over it.
18. is straight over the trees on the left. leaves you in the middle of the fairway and in the summer just short of the green. There's massive amount of space behind those trees. The fairway actually begins to the right of them for the shorter hitters.0 -
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was downwind off the greens, i've seen a few people do it but usually it results in failure.
they made a bit of a mess of the poleforking up there recently but they've sanded the greens again and it seems to be levilling out, another good rain downpoor and i think they'll be in good shape.0 -
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FixdePitchmark wrote: »Fair enough ,
Was playing greens after what lads said here, was with two high hcap lads , have changed shaft to stiff, have lost a good bit off drive but way more accurate. There was no roll on the fairways at all , but I would not say it is a long course. But I was playing greens , would like to go back in summer and play whites.
Yes the green into 1 is a joke, i hit a good wedge and it bounced on green and went into back trees.
Yes made a bad mistake on 2, should have gone for it, but it does not look nice after you have played the green on hole 1.
6 iron onto 3, hard bounce on green into back gorse, after bunker.
Drive and 5 iron onto 4 (par 5)
That 6th is a nightmare if you are short , was.
Drive and wedge into most par 4 (even 12) even (Lw).
Yes you could hit one in the water from greens on 12, was only 12 ft from it in winter.
Redzah could you reach 13 with a great one, have you seen anybody go for it, wind etc.
How do you play 18 ?
10 you should just give it a good lash and no trouble if you get over bunker. Good bounce , was only 40 yrds off green to keep you happy Redzah (Lol). Big Bounce, wind Behind a good kick (lol)
I think if the greens were a little easier, it would be a joy to go back.
Anyway Redzah, you look at the game like a man with a full trophy cabinet, you have lost touch with us hackers.
Had about 6 3 putts. Was in about 8 bunkers. The rough and the smooth.
Ya fixed off the greens it is def not a long course but the whites are a good test and def adds a lot of length.
On 1 Matt has pointed out the difficultly of the green from right to left.
6 iron is prob a bit much from the greens on 3. I hit 8 into back bunker on sunday.
Two good hits on 4 but it does narrow up by the green so there is danger but is def one of the easier holes.
Ya, pitching up to the 6th or the front bunker is a difficult shot as the green is like an upturned saucer with everything falling off it.
Drive and wedge is not the norm but off the greens is more likely on a lot of the par 4's. One of the reasons i like the course is because i don't have a drive and a wedge to most holes and u get to use most of the clubs in the bag.
Yes i've hit 13 but only with a big wind at my back. it's not worth it IMO even with the wind as there's too much danger and even if u make it everything slopes towards the water so it could just kick into it. I only go for it in fourballs or scrambles when my partner is in good shape and i have nothing to lose (apart from a pro v)
18 is as matt said, straight over the trees on the left side, its a relatively easy finishing hole with the green the main defense.
I find 10 a little tight off the tee and i've began to hit a hybrid or 4 iron off the tee to be short of the bunker, its only a 7/8 from there and takes risk out of play. I don't see the merits of bringing the risk in with the driver as its a difficult birdie to make with the raised and sloping green.
To be honest fixed the trophy cabinet is a bit stale and i'm trying to play more this year to hone my game and get back to a championship standard.
Its a much better course off the whites and much more enjoyable so def play these tees when u go back.0 -
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Blainroe usually struggle in BC..... you guys picked up near end of G.C. so should be v. tight imo...GL
Cheers hacker, i'm quietly confident but i suppose anything can happen on the day, all i can do is win my match and then see what happens. I've no idea how strong the are or how strong we are for that matter 0 -
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