Why no M &S or Tesco in Salthill?

bodhrandude

Can never fathom this but Salthill is screaming out fo a M & S Simply Food or a Tesco Metro. The choice in some of the existing shops is very limited and its time they were shut down, the waterfront area would be perfect for one of these supermarkets. It can be miserable trudging on a wet night to Super Valu on the Father Griffin road, surely sooner or later one of these franchises will buy into the area.

ben.schlomo

Why should the shops out there shut down??

M&S will most definitely not be looking for that type of store in a location such as Salthill. The only expansion they will make in Galway in the long term will be into a large out of town centre.

inisboffin

A farmer's market type place would be great in Salthill. There was a great speakeasy type late night place somewhere near Killorans. Something like that would be brilliant. Farmers market in the day/s - byob venue at night. Selection for groceries is pretty poor in Salthill, in fairness.

nuac

Heven't we enough Tescos and M and S - there is a very good Joyces in Knocknacarra

O'Connors in Salthill has a good selection

Support local

beardybrewer

Well Joyces and Dunnes aren't any further than SuperValue. while you might prefer m&s there is blakes which offers premade meals and does great desserts.

Lapin

Every Euro spent in Tesco is another nail in the coffin of Irish jobs.

Cheshire Cat

And there's Mortons's. Beats M&S anytime!

Pure Sound

bodhrandude wrote: »

Can never fathom this but Salthill is screaming out fo a M & S Simply Food or a Tesco Metro. The choice in some of the existing shops is very limited and its time they were shut down, the waterfront area would be perfect for one of these supermarkets. It can be miserable trudging on a wet night to Super Valu on the Father Griffin road, surely sooner or later one of these franchises will buy into the area.

You sound like a stereotypical salthillian with entitlement issues, Why would they open in salthill its not exactly booming and parking can often be a problem, what is wrong with places like Mortons?

Mrs OBumble

Salthill has plenty of high priced convenience store for sure (Mortons is really just a classy Centra), but I can see why people would prefer supermarket prices.

Doubt it would happen - can't think of any site with adequate road access (customers & delivery trucks).

Have wondered about Bailey Point though: lots of undercover parking space in there, surely it could be turned into a farmers market or suchlike.

And what I really think Salthill needs is ... a decent bus service. If there was a but every 10-15 minutes, and some strategic bus lanes to to guarantee the journey time, then I think it could do wonders for the tourists and locals.

(Yes, I know it's not that far from town. But if you're older, or you don't know you way around the city, then walking often isn't viable.)

paconnors

There's always O'Leary's aswell

Iwannahurl

We Need Community wrote: »

You sound like a stereotypical salthillian with entitlement issues, Why would they open in salthill its not exactly booming and parking can often be a problem, what is wrong with places like Mortons?

Morton's is horrifically expensive, and much of its stock tends to be gourmet deli standard. I like quality, but I rarely go to Mortons.

Do the two shops in Salthill (Centra and the one opposite) fall well short of what Supervalu on Fr Griffin Road has to offer?

There's also Rabbitte's in Lower Salthill, of course.

Assuming the OP doesn't have a car, may I recommend (as always!) investing in a bike? Even on a wet night you'll find it makes a trip to the shops much less of a trudge.

bodhrandude

I was more or less saying that the convenience stores need to drop their prices and to be brought down a peg or two, Centra and Hollands have about two or three types of pizza, some of the usual Donegal Catch stuff, the odd lasagne and then thats about it for food selections unless your going for stuff in tins.

Mortons does have a nice selection but its very expensive, I usually do my shopping at Super Valu, but sometimes the weather can be dog rough to go there. Im not saying to shut the small stores but maybe they could broaden their selections a bit, you kinda of get sick of Goodfellas and Donegal Catch same old, same old thats on offer.

factual lies

Its called supply for demand. Unless you ask for these stores to start stocking certain produce they wont do it as there is no point in them ordering stock that will just sit there on the shelves and inevidably go out in the bin. They would be seen as taking up valuable space for produce that is being bought by there local community.

JoeA3

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Do the two shops in Salthill (Centra and the one opposite) fall well short of what Supervalu on Fr Griffin Road has to offer?

Yes. I live 2 mins walk from the Centra and it's fine if all you need is bread and milk. But it falls miles short of variety and choice compared to the Super Valu on Fr. Griffin Rd, so more often than not I do have to go over there or to Dunnes.

Mortons is indeed very expensive, many of it's customers appear to be yummy mummy types! They have a nice butchers in there though which I use occasionally.

snubbleste

I can't hear this screaming OP
The good burghers of Salthill don't want supermarkets attracting riff-raff to the area don't you know.
Maybe contact Tehscos and tell them the Burrenmount is seeking a new lease of life?

Robbo

It has dawned on me that where other Occupy movements have sought to make their point in the vicinity of institutions related to the current crisis (Central Bank on Dame Street, Wall Street), doing so in Eyre Square is just taking a portion of a municipal place from the 99%.

If they really want to target the 1%, OCCUPY MORTONS. He who controls the tabouleh controls the universe.

Mrs OBumble

OP, if you're able to shop during weekdays, the route 36 red bus goes between Salthill and Joyces in Knocknacarra. No good if you're working weekday's I know, but then you could afford to use Tesco on-line, perhaps?

Gold Leaf Tea

Mortons is good, but the selection is limited, and it is not cheap. Dunnes in Knocknacarra is unadventurous at best, ok for basics, but very poor selection of things like spices etc. Joyces is Joyces, it has improved, but it still has it's 'hangups' from the past and you still have to watch best before dates like a hawk there, which is not good enough for a supermarket IMO. Nestors is prob the most decent supermarket in the vicinity, in terms of choice, quality of produce etc. Somebody mentioned KC Blakes pantry, stuff here can be pricey and the selection can be hit and miss depending on the day. There is no one stop shop in Salthill really, but personally, I'm not sure that a big superstore is the answer either. Salthill still has quite a local feel, which is part of it's charm and a big tesco or whatever would massively take from this.

beardybrewer

One more chime in.... tescos delivers. Seriously, it is a fantastic service... There ya go now. Your welcome!

ScumLord

I would regard Saltill as a part of Galway city and Galway city is full of supermarkets, why not go to one of those?

McTigs

I find the butcher in mortons to be excellent and no more expensive than any other butcher. The fish is quality too and no more expensive than gannet or others fishmongers.

They rape you on the fruit an veg mind and the quality is so so. But it's a great shop to have nearby if for out-of-the-ordinary stuff like sushi sheets or risotto rice or a tin of black beans.

Supervalu on <snip, that's a bit personal about an assistant>

barone

my bad.

ben.schlomo

barone wrote: »

ordinary stuff , sushi sheets ?

:rolleyes:

Pretty sure they said 'out of the ordinary', selective reading.

howyanow

im pretty sure tesco would have considered salthill as a location for one of they're express outlets,they were advertising last year for shop owners who wanted out to approach them to organise a lease agreement,advertisement was in the sunday tribune before its demise.imo salthill is too small for a supermarket as its still very much a village.its very quiet 10 months of the year.the warwick site would be a good location but they would probably prefer to be closer to the prom.if your in salthill then supervalue isnt really too far to go.
on a side note,we should be trying to keep our local traders in business when possible as the multiples will be able to charge what they like if all small businesses are closed down by them.apparently ireland is tesco's most profitable location so they may not be giving as good value to us as they would in the uk where they have fierce competition with asda and the likes.

schween

nuac wrote: »

Heven't we enough Tescos and M and S - there is a very good Joyces in Knocknacarra

O'Connors in Salthill has a good selection

Support local

There is one Tesco supermarket and one small M&S in Galway City - both of which are terrible. Supporting local is good as long as they aren't taking you for a ride.

ben.schlomo

schween wrote: »

There is one Tesco supermarket and one small M&S in Galway City - both of which are terrible. Supporting local is good as long as they aren't taking you for a ride.

Whats terrible about them?

Mrs OBumble

schween wrote: »

There is one Tesco supermarket and one small M&S in Galway City - both of which are terrible. Supporting local is good as long as they aren't taking you for a ride.

and a couple of Tesco Expresses ... and a big Tesco in Oranmore too (may as well be in the city )

Doc Ruby

I'll never again shop in Tescos since they were advertising for interns to stock shelves over the Christmas.

Cheshire Cat wrote: »

And there's Mortons's. Beats M&S anytime!

Only place in town I can get jerky!

snubbleste wrote: »

The good burghers of Salthill don't want supermarkets attracting riff-raff to the area don't you know.

Haha, anyone else remember about ten years ago when Salthill was a proper hive of scum and villany? Ah them were the days...

ben.schlomo

Doc Ruby wrote: »

I'll never again shop in Tescos since they were advertising for interns to stock shelves over the Christmas.


Only place in town I can get jerky!


Haha, anyone else remember about ten years ago when Salthill was a proper hive of scum and villany? Ah them were the days...

Explain??

snubbleste

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Explain??

A grocery chain sought to plug gaps in its customer orientated service by enticing interns to stock horizontal plinths enclosed in bulidings during a holy festive timeframe.

Doc Ruby

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Explain??

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0920/1224304411460.html

They'll never get another cent out of me.

Iwannahurl

snubbleste wrote: »

A grocery chain sought to plug gaps in its customer orientated service by enticing interns to stock horizontal plinths enclosed in bulidings during a holy festive timeframe.

"Intern" is the only word I don't understand in this context.

Junior Doctors? Surely not.

Unpaid students looking for work experience? Surprising. Any takers?





EDIT: Just saw the IT link above.

ben.schlomo

snubbleste wrote: »

A grocery chain sought to plug gaps in its customer orientated service by enticing interns to stock horizontal plinths enclosed in bulidings during a holy festive timeframe.

Aren't we smart this evening.:rolleyes:

beardybrewer

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Only place in town I can get jerky!

Morton's has jerky? Beef? Teriyaki? Hmm, might have to check that out.

schween

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Whats terrible about them?

Tesco isn't nice. It's fairly grubby. M&S is far too small.

JustMary wrote: »

and a couple of Tesco Expresses ... and a big Tesco in Oranmore too (may as well be in the city )

Although I've tried, the Tesco Expresses are no good for a week's shopping, just for the odd bits. Tesco Oranmore - may as well be in the city, but doubtful that many people from Galway use it.

My point is Galway isn't exactly overrun with Tesco and M&S. It is, however, overrun with Dunnes Stores. But sure Dunnes are Irish and it doesn't matter if they take money from small businesses.

ben.schlomo

schween wrote: »

Tesco isn't nice. It's fairly grubby. M&S is far too small.



Although I've tried, the Tesco Expresses are no good for a week's shopping, just for the odd bits. Tesco Oranmore - may as well be in the city, but doubtful that many people from Galway use it.

My point is Galway isn't exactly overrun with Tesco and M&S. It is, however, overrun with Dunnes Stores. But sure Dunnes are Irish and it doesn't matter if they take money from small businesses.

Whats your solution? A load of overpriced independents?

Gold Leaf Tea

The M&S in Killarney is bigger than the M&S in Galway.

The Tesco in Nenagh is much nicer than the Tesco in Galway(which is like going back in time to the Quinnsworth era), and they even have a Tesco Extra in Clonmel. Clean, modern stores, with everything under one roof.

The British multiples are, by and large, poorly represented in Galway compared to their offerings in provincial Irish towns. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, in fact, I'm sure it is advantageous for local providers here that this is the case.

ben.schlomo

Gold Leaf Tea wrote: »

The M&S in Killarney is bigger than the M&S in Galway.

The Tesco in Nenagh is much nicer than the Tesco in Galway(which is like going back in time to the Quinnsworth era), and they even have a Tesco Extra in Clonmel. Clean, modern stores, with everything under one roof.

The British multiples are, by and large, poorly represented in Galway compared to their offerings in provincial Irish towns. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, in fact, I'm sure it is advantageous for local providers here that this is the case.

Its a far nicer store that they have in Killarney but its not bigger, may even be the exact same square footage if im not mistaken. The thing about the stores in the provincial towns is that they were purpose built for M&S and Tesco not like in Galway where they inherited an old building.

Gold Leaf Tea

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Its a far nicer store that they have in Killarney but its not bigger, may even be the exact same square footage if im not mistaken. The thing about the stores in the provincial towns is that they were purpose built for M&S and Tesco not like in Galway where they inherited an old building.

Older building or not, the Galway M&S is a token offering relative to others in the country(how laughable is it in comparison to the Cork store?) and they have a much better food selection in the Killarney store as it is. I'm actually not too pushed about a better Tesco, but a decent M&S somewhere in the city would be lovely. Not right smack bang in Salthill though.

ben.schlomo

Gold Leaf Tea wrote: »

Older building or not, the Galway M&S is a token offering relative to others in the country(how laughable is it in comparison to the Cork store?) and they have a much better food selection in the Killarney store as it is. I'm actually not too pushed about a better Tesco, but a decent M&S somewhere in the city would be lovely. Not right smack bang in Salthill though.

The stores are the same grade so there is actually no difference in food catalogue in either.
The powers that be never thought Galway would get the level of custom that it does hence why they went for such a small store in comparison to the likes of Cork.

Doc Ruby

newkie wrote: »

Morton's has jerky? Beef? Teriyaki? Hmm, might have to check that out.

They have spicy sweet beef but no teriyaki. They are actually pretty price competitive with most internet suppliers after you figure in postage. I'd make it myself but they're price competitive with running me oven for hours too.

McTigs

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Haha, anyone else remember about ten years ago when Salthill was a proper hive of scum and villany? Ah them were the days...

That was more like 20 years ago.... but yes, them were the days.

It's funny cos i live in salthill now and it's a very pleasant place to live. Must have been ****e for anyone living on the strip back in the eighties/nineties

beardybrewer

Doc Ruby wrote: »

They have spicy sweet beef but no teriyaki. They are actually pretty price competitive with most internet suppliers after you figure in postage. I'd make it myself but they're price competitive with running me oven for hours too.

My wife got me a dehumidifier for xmas last year. You can get them off amazon.co.uk. I've gotten pretty successful and making the good stuff. Usually get myself €20 of roundsteak from butcher which lasts me a month.

inisboffin

newkie wrote: »

My wife got me a dehumidifier for xmas last year. You can get them off amazon.co.uk. I've gotten pretty successful and making the good stuff. Usually get myself €20 of roundsteak from butcher which lasts me a month.

Do you mean a dehydrator??
Or am I missing something here:D
Any you'd recommend for making jerky/fruit leather? Some look spendy enough, and I wonder do they eat electricty?

barbs84

schween wrote: »

There is one Tesco supermarket and one small M&S in Galway City - both of which are terrible. Supporting local is good as long as they aren't taking you for a ride.

theres 3 tesco's in galway city, one express opposite the hospital, one on the headford road and the main tesco and tesco are trying to launch a big store in westside, m& s is over rated

JONJO THE MISER

Surely Aldi or Lidl will move into salthill, i mean its like a village in the city and it has no supermarket.

schween

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Whats your solution? A load of overpriced independents?

I was being sarcastic. When all the new Dunnes opened nobody cared. But if it's Tesco, people start predicting the apocalypse.

barbs84 wrote: »

theres 3 tesco's in galway city, one express opposite the hospital, one on the headford road and the main tesco and tesco are trying to launch a big store in westside, m& s is over rated

Reread my comment. I said there is one Tesco supermarket. A Tesco Express isn't a supermarket. It's a convenience store.

confuseddotcom

More buses in Salthill? Seriously? More buses wanted alright, but any other place than Salthill I would imagine? Salthill is i.m.o. one of the best-served areas with buses for Galway city I reckon, and not only that but for whatever reason the Salthill bus is usually always quite prompt and on-time. So more buses yeah but not for Salthill please.

JustMary wrote: »

Salthill has plenty of high priced convenience store for sure (Mortons is really just a classy Centra), but I can see why people would prefer supermarket prices.

Doubt it would happen - can't think of any site with adequate road access (customers & delivery trucks).

Have wondered about Bailey Point though: lots of undercover parking space in there, surely it could be turned into a farmers market or suchlike.

And what I really think Salthill needs is ... a decent bus service. If there was a but every 10-15 minutes, and some strategic bus lanes to to guarantee the journey time, then I think it could do wonders for the tourists and locals.

(Yes, I know it's not that far from town. But if you're older, or you don't know you way around the city, then walking often isn't viable.)

Mrs OBumble

Obviously you and I have had different experiences in the area.

It's not so bad in summer, when there's the extra services in the day. But from Sept - May, it's only 1/2 hourly, which is mad for a place which so many people would like to pop out to from the city.

Ewo

Because Galway is a geographically small town, and given that Oranmore could be considered a suburb, there are two Tesco supermarkets ( and two Tesco mini markets) and one M&S within the relevant catchment area.

Iwannahurl

JustMary wrote: »

Obviously you and I have had different experiences in the area.

It's not so bad in summer, when there's the extra services in the day. But from Sept - May, it's only 1/2 hourly, which is mad for a place which so many people would like to pop out to from the city.

There was a time when public transport to Salthill ran every ten minutes at times of peak demand!

It was in the days of the horse-drawn tram, of course:

The really major change for the area came in October 1879, when the tramway opened between Salthill and the city. These horse drawn vehicles carried 36 passengers evenly divided between the saloon and the upper deck. There was a service every 10 minutes if the traffic demanded, otherwise every 20 minutes in summer and 30 minutes in winter.

Source:
http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/46545/the-end-of-the-tramline

The distance from the city centre hasn't changed. The population has soared, in comparison to that of the late 19th Century. Some other differences are evident in the photo.