Airsoft VS Paintball?

GaryIrv93

i've been thinking about doing either one or the other once I get my Leaving Cert finished with. Airsoft looks more appealing - eg, realistic guns, pellets don't hurt when you're hit etc, but compared to paintballing, which one's better and less complicated? I heard that with airsoft you have to join teams to be able to play, and airsofts apparently a lot more expensive - a good gun costs roughly 250 or over, equipment, eg scopes, vests, uniforms, bags, magazines etc would cost a fair few hundred quid?
But which is considered better?

Lemming

GaryIrv93 wrote: »

i've been thinking about doing either one or the other once I get my Leaving Cert finished with. Airsoft looks more appealing - eg, realistic guns, pellets don't hurt when you're hit etc, but compared to paintballing, which one's better and less complicated? I heard that with airsoft you have to join teams to be able to play, and airsofts apparently a lot more expensive - a good gun costs roughly 250 or over, equipment, eg scopes, vests, uniforms, bags, magazines etc would cost a fair few hundred quid?
But which is considered better?

Asking which is better is like asking whether soccer or rugby is better. They're both from the same family of sport so to speak. Both have their pros & cons and neither is better than the other (unless it's airsoft of course ... :pac: )

You seem to have been misinformed regarding airsoft.

First off, you do not need to be a member of a team in order to play. I'm not, nor have I ever been and I have been playing since 2007. In this I am not an exception as you'll find the vast majority of airsofters the world over are not members of any 'team'.

Secondly, airsoft can be as cheap or as expensive as you want to go. If you want to just turn up, rent a gun & play, airsoft is notably cheaper than paintball. If you start buying your own kit, it gets more complicated but it's up to you how much you want to spend. You do not need a truck-full of tacti-crap to play, but if you want to, again it comes down to what you want to do personally.

Thirdly, paintball markers can be just as - if not more expensive - than airsoft guns.

Forth, in order to own a paintball marker you will require a firearms license as far as I am aware (unless those requirements have been changed/dropped). Not so with airsoft.

GaryIrv93

Lemming wrote: »

Asking which is better is like asking whether soccer or rugby is better. They're both from the same family of sport so to speak. Both have their pros & cons and neither is better than the other (unless it's airsoft of course ... :pac: )

You seem to have been misinformed regarding airsoft.

First off, you do not need to be a member of a team in order to play. I'm not, nor have I ever been and I have been playing since 2007. In this I am not an exception as you'll find the vast majority of airsofters the world over are not members of any 'team'.

Secondly, airsoft can be as cheap or as expensive as you want to go. If you want to just turn up, rent a gun & play, airsoft is notably cheaper than paintball. If you start buying your own kit, it gets more complicated but it's up to you how much you want to spend. You do not need a truck-full of tacti-crap to play, but if you want to, again it comes down to what you want to do personally.

Thirdly, paintball markers can be just as - if not more expensive - than airsoft guns.

Forth, in order to own a paintball marker you will require a firearms license as far as I am aware (unless those requirements have been changed/dropped). Not so with airsoft.

no, I think 250 is a reasonable price for a gun, I'd be looking for one around that price as the very cheap ones are usually spring powered and slow to use, a battery powered one do suit me best - they're not very expensive, and the gas powered guns need to be filled with co2/air canisters quite frequently, which are quite pricey? Regarding licences, don't you need one to import an airsoft gun from a foreign country into Ireland? Also what areas around Dublin can be played in?

Lemming

GaryIrv93 wrote: »

no, I think 250 is a reasonable price for a gun, I'd be looking for one around that price as the very cheap ones are usually spring powered and slow to use, a battery powered one do suit me best - they're not very expensive, and the gas powered guns need to be filled with co2/air canisters quite frequently, which are quite pricey?

Don't get me wrong, €250 will get you a pretty decent gun that sits across the budget/start-of-midrange bracket. But it is the tip of the iceberg in terms of what you can get and for what price.

Electric powered (hence the term AEG- automatic electric gun) are by far and away the most common airsoft guns you'll find. I'd go so far as to say you would need to specifically go looking for a gas-powered gun unless we're talking about pistols.

Gas powered guns obviously have a larger running cost over time vs. electric. At face value it can be pricey, but if you're buying either co2 cannisters in bulk or using propane it works out considerably cheaper albeit still with higher cost vs. electric ultimately. But gas guns have their appeal. I wouldn't recommend a gas-powered rifle for a beginner though; too much overhead.

Regarding licences, don't you need one to import an airsoft gun from a foreign country into Ireland?

Legislation has not yet been enacted regarding personal imports. So no you do not need a license, nor will you once said legislation is enacted; you'll just need to order via a shop instead.

Also what areas around Dublin can be played in?

Check the sites sub-forum.

T4RGET

firstly I would say that this is probably the wrong question to ask in the airsoft section as you're going to get a lot biased answers, although most users will give you pro's and con's for both. and so will I:

I prefer airsoft. I've been paintballing and the consistency of the rifles used is horrible (it was in the place i went to anyways)
to em it sounds like your main problem is money and the price of airsoft Vs paintball. some have already made some good points but what you got to realise is as far as im aware a decent paintball marker will set you back 400-500 euro while a decent entry airsoft AEG maybe 250. also the cost of BB's, for 14 euro you get 4000 BB's while you pay 10 euro for 100 paintballs, and i know you can pay them cheaper yourself but the paintballing place i went to didn't let people use their own paintballs. the one problem airsoft has against paintball is that paintball is way more popular so easier to get out and play if you're new and generally runs into less negative media as airsoft does.

hope there's something in there that helps mate

SNAKEDOC

airsoft pros

don't need a team or own gear.
aeg's cost less than paintball markers
you need no licence to hold an aeg
its cheaper all round eg bb's vs paintballs aeg's vs markers

airsoft con's

its an honorable sport but some don't play by the rules
sites tend to be few in ireland
realistic aegs mean the sport is shrouded in bad press


paintball pros

more power in markers hence greater range on projectile.
more accepted sport


con's

expensive
you need a licence to own your own marker
the damage of a paintball is exceptional compared to a bb hit
not as much realism as airsoft

here's a few point that you can take into account. both sports are good but on this forum airsoft rules supreme.

Random

pellets don't hurt when you're hit etc

they definitely do "hurt" when youre hit, much like paintball.

se conman

This is the first time I have disagreed with a Mod but airsoft is nowhere near as hurtful as paintball. I have been hit with thousands of BB's and no serious marks left but any time I have gone paintballing I am left black and blue for a week regardless of what I wear.

arleitiss

I think that while in paintball you get shot by 1-3 paintballs, and you feel pain, while in airsoft you might get shot with like 10 pellets at same time especially in CQB, but that's just my opinion. I think airsoft is less dirty, as in no color on clothes etc..

GaryIrv93

T4RGET wrote: »

firstly I would say that this is probably the wrong question to ask in the airsoft section as you're going to get a lot biased answers, although most users will give you pro's and con's for both. and so will I:

I prefer airsoft. I've been paintballing and the consistency of the rifles used is horrible (it was in the place i went to anyways)
to em it sounds like your main problem is money and the price of airsoft Vs paintball. some have already made some good points but what you got to realise is as far as im aware a decent paintball marker will set you back 400-500 euro while a decent entry airsoft AEG maybe 250. also the cost of BB's, for 14 euro you get 4000 BB's while you pay 10 euro for 100 paintballs, and i know you can pay them cheaper yourself but the paintballing place i went to didn't let people use their own paintballs. the one problem airsoft has against paintball is that paintball is way more popular so easier to get out and play if you're new and generally runs into less negative media as airsoft does.

hope there's something in there that helps mate

Thanks my main problem wasn't money issues, really I thought I would have to join a team to be able to play airsoft, which it appears I won't have to, so that's a relief! Cheers,

GaryIrv93

Random wrote: »

they definitely do "hurt" when youre hit, much like paintball.

lol yeah i've been paintballing only once with one of my cousins like three years ago and first match I got hit in the face, which was still a painful bastard despite the fact I was wearing a visor, not to mention all the paint went through the air-holes! the second match was a slaughter... i was hit by well over 20 paintballs at once when I decideed to surrender (i was the last one left on the team), so I ended up hiding in cover for the rest of the other games, was still great craic though. but from what i've seen and heard, when you're hit by a pellet, it simply bounces off and the player just calls out ''hit!'' and your out. One reason why I might prefer airsoft., becuase I wouldn't be afraid to go out there and go for the other team if getting hit doesn't hurt.

GaryIrv93

SNAKEDOC wrote: »

airsoft pros

don't need a team or own gear.
aeg's cost less than paintball markers
you need no licence to hold an aeg
its cheaper all round eg bb's vs paintballs aeg's vs markers

airsoft con's

its an honorable sport but some don't play by the rules
sites tend to be few in ireland
realistic aegs mean the sport is shrouded in bad press


paintball pros

more power in markers hence greater range on projectile.
more accepted sport


con's

expensive
you need a licence to own your own marker
the damage of a paintball is exceptional compared to a bb hit
not as much realism as airsoft

here's a few point that you can take into account. both sports are good but on this forum airsoft rules supreme.

about clothes eg, camo, equipment etc, when I went paintballing, everyone there was dressed in simple camo clothing, my main worry that with paintball is that it would be frowned upon to dress up like a complete juggernaut out of call of duty to avoid feeling any pain, whereas by the looks of airsoft in videos i've seen, the players are all dressed up as proper soldiers, which I'd probably prefer,

Lemming

GaryIrv93 wrote: »

but from what i've seen and heard, when you're hit by a pellet, it simply bounces off and the player just calls out ''hit!'' and your out. One reason why I might prefer airsoft., becuase I wouldn't be afraid to go out there and go for the other team if getting hit doesn't hurt.

Airsoft can hurt alright, but it tends to be either when you're up close - in CQB environments for example - or get hit with an unlucky shot with enough force to a sensitive spot. I would describe the pain as more sharp string and then *gone* vs. a proverbial pasting one might receive at a paintball site. I've seen a few unlucky cuts & bruises, but mostly you'll just get a small welt or blemish on the skin for a couple of days.

Bear in mind that that you're using an airsoft gun that's putting out 1j or under in force vs. the 14-17j expended by a paintball marker. It's not quite as straight forward as that as the difference in diameter, weight, & composition of the ammunition types needs factored in as well, but you get the idea.

GaryIrv93 wrote: »

about clothes eg, camo, equipment etc, when I went paintballing, everyone there was dressed in simple camo clothing, my main worry that with paintball is that it would be frowned upon to dress up like a complete juggernaut out of call of duty to avoid feeling any pain, whereas by the looks of airsoft in videos i've seen, the players are all dressed up as proper soldiers, which I'd probably prefer,

This is where airsoft & paintball differ - for me anyway. Most people think of 'woods ball' when they think paintball, whereas most paintball enthusasists would think competition speedball, which is a whole other deal. Airsoft tends to be oriented more towards milsim (or more tactically oriented at any rate) to varying degrees, with different types of play as a result. That said, you'll find plenty of airsoft games organised that are literally just speedball with airsoft rather than paintball and that's fair enough.

Like I said before, it's like trying to compare soccer & rugby and asking which is better, never mind 5-aside indoor footie or tag-rugby variants, etc. etc.

GaryIrv93

This is where airsoft & paintball differ - for me anyway. Most people think of 'woods ball' when they think paintball, whereas most paintball enthusasists would think competition speedball, which is a whole other deal. Airsoft tends to be oriented more towards milsim (or more tactically oriented at any rate) to varying degrees, with different types of play as a result. That said, you'll find plenty of airsoft games organised that are literally just speedball with airsoft rather than paintball and that's fair enough.

Like I said before, it's like trying to compare soccer & rugby and asking which is better, never mind 5-aside indoor footie or tag-rugby variants, etc. etc.[/QUOTE]
Really I wanted to know what other people thought which one's better (from their experiences) I probably should've said so lol. that's what I really meant though.
Are foreign airsoft trips to to the UK/US, wherever else organised for normal players like yourself, or are they only organised for team members? I read somewhere about that type of thing,

Inari

As has been said previously, Airsoft is NOT a team only thing. You can travel abroad, play in events, play at sites etc all by your lonesome. Teams exist, but so do solo players.

Airsoft is a strange little hobby. It is rather multifaceted, and many people take many different things out of it. Some collect, some play, some plink (target shoot), and some replicate.

For many Airsoft is a Sunday Skirmish - you show up to your chosen site, basic load out (built for practicality and no other real reason), and play. Games are generic, there is no command structure, and rules are rather simple (once hit, respawn etc). There is not usually a storyline.

For others Airsoft is once in a blue moon; event play. People will eagerly await an event, build their loadout for it accordingly (i.e. authenticity in mind) and play. The vast majority of events will be MilSim orientated - there is a command structure in place, there are usually more complex rules in place (e.g. medic rules), and there will normally be story driven gameplay.

You really can take whatever you want out of Airsoft; it's entirely up to you.

CaptainCook

SNAKEDOC wrote: »

airsoft pros

don't need a team or own gear.
aeg's cost less than paintball markers
you need no licence to hold an aeg
its cheaper all round eg bb's vs paintballs aeg's vs markers

airsoft con's

its an honorable sport but some don't play by the rules
sites tend to be few in ireland
realistic aegs mean the sport is shrouded in bad press


paintball pros

more power in markers hence greater range on projectile.
more accepted sport


con's

expensive
you need a licence to own your own marker
the damage of a paintball is exceptional compared to a bb hit
not as much realism as airsoft

here's a few point that you can take into account. both sports are good but on this forum airsoft rules supreme.

This pretty much sums it up. ive played both and looked into getting marker before buying too many aeg's, on price a good marker from RAP4 will cost the same as a high end AEG. Id say airsoft is easier to get into but all the camo and even the RIF's scared the be jes*s out of me first time i saw them. Then once you own them you realize they are just big boys toys with very little danger (still though treat them with respect never take them out in public). I would agree with the above poster its most definitely cheaper to get into, a JG g36c, a battery, charger some gear (BDU's, Cheap vest or rig, MOST IMPORTANTLY FACE AND EYE PROTECTION, A trip to the dentist or god forbid an opthalmic surgeon is no laughing matter for the latter to occur you would have to of been doing something very stupid, unlucky and probably illegal for this situation to occur) can all be assembled for approx 300 - 400 yoyo's and your good to go.

Both are great craic deciding between both its just personal preference.
Ive met some great people playing airsoft, very friendly talked about their aeg's but also met alot of d**ks, lets call them the AIRSOFTERATTI, who think its their jobs to act as unofficial police around airsoft and who seem to spend most of their time knocking people or condoning anybody who does not sing from their particular hymn book. Any who just ignore them and enjoy it, it is really good craic, i don't get out playing as much as i'd like but when i do you want to go straight back out.

GaryIrv93

Cheers, i've been wanting to join airsoft for at least a few years now but never really found the time to with school in the way of everything lol. yeah i've heard about the airsoft ar**h***s who take the game too seriously.

Leftyflip

GaryIrv93 wrote: »

Cheers, i've been wanting to join airsoft for at least a few years now but never really found the time to with school in the way of everything lol. yeah i've heard about the airsoft ar**h***s who take the game too seriously.

Don't worry though - those types are few and far between!

GaryIrv93

Leftyflip wrote: »

Don't worry though - those types are few and far between!

lol, hopefully! where are good places in or around Dublin for airsofting?

GaryIrv93

Random wrote: »

they definitely do "hurt" when youre hit, much like paintball.

yeah i'm sure they do if you're in very close quarters and are wearing thin material, at long range though you might just feel a slight flick on clothes and harder one on exposed skin, but nothing too painful. i never want to feel the pain of a paintball again

T4RGET

GaryIrv93 wrote: »

yeah i'm sure they do if you're in very close quarters and are wearing thin material, at long range though you might just feel a slight flick on clothes and harder one on exposed skin, but nothing too painful. i never want to feel the pain of a paintball again

even at range they can give a good whack. not too put you off but i lost a bit of my tooth on sunday playing, still played on as i love airsoft so much, just to prove it can hurt (and injure) but play safe and you're good

GaryIrv93

T4RGET wrote: »

even at range they can give a good whack. not too put you off but i lost a bit of my tooth on sunday playing, still played on as i love airsoft so much, just to prove it can hurt (and injure) but play safe and you're good

ouch, then i'll probably just buy a full face covering visor to prevent the same happening to me lol! i suppose as well that if they do hurt then it adds some excitement into the game?

T4RGET

GaryIrv93 wrote: »

ouch, then i'll probably just buy a full face covering visor to prevent the same happening to me lol! i suppose as well that if they do hurt then it adds some excitement into the game?

another point yeah, well sometimes people are a bit too afraid to push forward but adrenaline usually helps there, especially at new sites when you don't know the place.. i use a Bolle goggles and then a half face mask but im going to get a mesh one like this
http://www.hobbyairsofter.com/Airsoft-Accessories/Goggles-and-Masks/%20V1-Strike-Steel-Half-Face-Mask-TMC

and i use these as eye protection
http://www.hobbyairsofter.com/Airsoft-Accessories/Goggles-and-Masks/Bolle-Viper-Clear-Lens-Shooting-Glasses

GaryIrv93

nice, mesh would probably also allow you to see a bit better as well as allow a lot more air to your face. these look good for a good price
http://www.mainirishairsoft.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=915i've also been looking at those mesh masks as well as this particular gun:
http://www.airsplat.com/Items/ERM-DE-M89-UMP.htm
doesn't look too bad, comes with everything you need

Zomg Okay

GaryIrv93 wrote: »

i've also been looking at those mesh masks as well as this particular gun:
http://www.airsplat.com/Items/ERM-DE-M89-UMP.htm
doesn't look too bad, comes with everything you need

At 370 feet per second though, you'll need to ask them to downgrade it before shipping it.

Rooky1

GaryIrv93 wrote: »

nice, mesh would probably also allow you to see a bit better as well as allow a lot more air to your face. these look good for a good price
http://www.mainirishairsoft.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=915i've also been looking at those mesh masks as well as this particular gun:
http://www.airsplat.com/Items/ERM-DE-M89-UMP.htm
doesn't look too bad, comes with everything you need

They are a great AEG. I bought one about 4 years ago and used it as my main CQB AEG.
I gave it to my mate in the UK who has been using it for the past 2 years without problems.

As has been mentioned in the previous post it will need to be downgraded.
Mine came in at 380, changed the spring down to 320fps.

T4RGET

one of the luck of the draw things i think, my mate had one, he couldn't geet any mags for it, no battery would last long enough and then one day the whole gun just decided stop working altogether :P

GaryIrv93

Zomg Okay wrote: »

At 370 feet per second though, you'll need to ask them to downgrade it before shipping it.[/QUOTE

is it required to be downgraded by law?

GaryIrv93

T4RGET wrote: »

one of the luck of the draw things i think, my mate had one, he couldn't geet any mags for it, no battery would last long enough and then one day the whole gun just decided stop working altogether :P

on that site Airsplat there are mags for that particular UMP for around $10, they carry 300 pellets each, which is pretty decent.http://www.airsplat.com/Items/ER-UMP-DE-MAG.htm I was looking for one of those Israeli Tavor Tar-21 bullpup guns in airsoft on some other site but it was around $500 and comes without a battery and charger, which is a bit of a rip-off imo. the really expensive guns tend not to come without batteries or chargers for some odd reason.

GaryIrv93

I was also gonna ask about airsoft silencers, do they really ''silence'' the gun or are they worth getting?
these two for example: http://www.mainirishairsoft.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=828

and this auto-tracer?? how does it work? http://www.mainirishairsoft.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=625

GaryIrv93

a good place in Dublin i've been in is Army Bargains. It's a good little shop on Little Mary St. that sells the bits and pieces you could use for airsoft eg. uniforms, jackets, bags, vests, camo, balaclavas, bags, helmets, and stuff for outdoors the stuffs a bit pricey but still pretty good. only thing is though is that the staff like to follow customers around the shop, i was in there once about two years ago and again recently to have a look around and i could see that an asian fella who worked there was over my shoulder for pretty much the entire time, and at the very most stayed about a few feet behind me. i left a few moments later as I was feeling just very uncomfortable in there with him behind me the entire time and it just pissed me off greatly, i couldn't relax and enjoy looking around and i was also afraid to pick up anything and look at it - afraid that your man would accuse me of trying to rob, i don't know. sorry for going a little bit off-topic there!

ironclaw

GaryIrv93 wrote: »

a good place in Dublin i've been in is Army Bargains. It's a good little shop on Little Mary St. that sells the bits and pieces you could use for airsoft eg. uniforms, jackets, bags, vests, camo, balaclavas, bags, helmets, and stuff for outdoors the stuffs a bit pricey but still pretty good. only thing is though is that the staff like to follow customers around the shop, i was in there once about two years ago and again recently to have a look around and i could see that an asian fella who worked there was over my shoulder for pretty much the entire time, and at the very most stayed about a few feet behind me. i left a few moments later as I was feeling just very uncomfortable in there with him behind me the entire time and it just pissed me off greatly, i couldn't relax and enjoy looking around and i was also afraid to pick up anything and look at it - afraid that your man would accuse me of trying to rob, i don't know. sorry for going a little bit off-topic there!

Great shop but with due respect to them, its WAY over priced. Last time I checked there DPM combats were €30+. And the shirts well over €20. I appreciate they must pay a high rent though.

Without name dropping the best place I've found for army surplus is in Bray, they have a thread on here. And I hear they are expanding too.

bullets

GaryIrv93 wrote: »

a good place in Dublin i've been in is Army Bargains. It's a good little shop on Little Mary St. that sells the bits and pieces you could use

I remember that shop. In the Mid 90's I was an extra in the film Braveheart
where the FCA(reserves) were used as extras in the movie and based in Kildare.
There was loads of us at the time that went in our off time off visit that shop!

At the time they sold actual flack jackets for 70 Irish Punts, combat knives,
and had a whole host of inert ammo such as .50cal and inert grenades, combat
knives with survival kits that only an immature teenager would want (cough me)

~B

Lemming

bullets wrote: »

I remember that shop. In the Mid 90's I was an extra in the film Braveheart
where the FCA(reserves) were used as extras in the movie and based in Kildare.
There was loads of us at the time that went in our off time off visit that shop!

At the time they sold actual flack jackets for 70 Irish Punts, combat knives,
and had a whole host of inert ammo such as .50cal and inert grenades, combat
knives with survival kits that only an immature teenager would want (cough me)

~B

Mary St. used to have a wedge of army surplus shops all right beside each other; Army Bargains, Scotsmans Hut, Millets (before it went mainstream; *cough*spit*), and a couple of others I now forget the names of. Alas all gone now save Army Bargains & Millets (which has moved but is now an 'outdoor' shop).

Not that anyone here would remember I'm sure, but there used to be a fantastic surplus shop on TronGate in Glasgow; I remember at the time them having a flak jacket with a rather dubious small OD patch sewn onto the back to cover a hole .... and was about the only place I could find Vietnam pattern tiger stripe trousers anywhere at the time. There was another shop up past Queen Street station but I only have vague recollections of the place smelling particularly musty; the sign of a great surplus shop :pac:

Alas all gone now or a shadow of their former selves (or else I've just grown older and realised the amount of sh*te stocked).

GaryIrv93

ironclaw wrote: »

Great shop but with due respect to them, its WAY over priced. Last time I checked there DPM combats were €30+. And the shirts well over €20. I appreciate they must pay a high rent though.

Without name dropping the best place I've found for army surplus is in Bray, they have a thread on here. And I hear they are expanding too.

combats for 30 euro is reasonable enough i think, except they seem like a rip off if you have less than 30 with you lol. putting them over 40 would be pushing it i think. apparently they get a lot of shoplifters in there which is why they follow you.

GaryIrv93

bullets wrote: »

I remember that shop. In the Mid 90's I was an extra in the film Braveheart
where the FCA(reserves) were used as extras in the movie and based in Kildare.
There was loads of us at the time that went in our off time off visit that shop!

At the time they sold actual flack jackets for 70 Irish Punts, combat knives,
and had a whole host of inert ammo such as .50cal and inert grenades, combat
knives with survival kits that only an immature teenager would want (cough me)

~B

yeah army surplus can really come in handy for almost anything!

GaryIrv93

Lemming wrote: »

Mary St. used to have a wedge of army surplus shops all right beside each other; Army Bargains, Scotsmans Hut, Millets (before it went mainstream; *cough*spit*), and a couple of others I now forget the names of. Alas all gone now save Army Bargains & Millets (which has moved but is now an 'outdoor' shop).

Not that anyone here would remember I'm sure, but there used to be a fantastic surplus shop on TronGate in Glasgow; I remember at the time them having a flak jacket with a rather dubious small OD patch sewn onto the back to cover a hole .... and was about the only place I could find Vietnam pattern tiger stripe trousers anywhere at the time. There was another shop up past Queen Street station but I only have vague recollections of the place smelling particularly musty; the sign of a great surplus shop :pac:

Alas all gone now or a shadow of their former selves (or else I've just grown older and realised the amount of sh*te stocked).

i know it's just depressing when a good shop closes, hopefully Army Bargains will stay open - planning to get a good bit of stuff in there for airsoft. ArmyShop online is pretty good also,
http://armyshop.ie/

Gatling

Shop on line for bargins wouldn't touch army no bargins at all tried to off load a set of cheap China made marpat for.200e yet my genuine issue set cost less than 70e shipped from the us.
Try flecktarn.co.uk for great prices on kit and camo or asmc.de German site with English its the argos of outdoor gear ,

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