A4 loses control on highway video.

kupus

Great bit of video here of a guy in an Audi A4 correcting his swerving on the highway, just as he corrects his swerve the radio says out loud QUATRO lol,
and at the end he blames his tyres.

Question:
Is this the ESP kicking in when he swerves or is it his good driving that brings it under control, or a mixture of both?

bcmf

ooooppssss.......
Did he get out to check his jocks or barf all over the road :eek:
Bloody lucky he had cleared all the cars around him.
Looks like he was speeding considering he was overtaking everything and there was a big warning sign on the gantry just before he went sideways.

kerten

I would say he didn't factor in that descending road will reduce grip at the back due to change of center of gravity plus bad tyres at back.

I think it wouldn't happen on a flat road with same speed unless he has 5 years old concrete chinese tyres at back axle.

A good video for recent "having good tyres at the back axle important or not" discussion.

Nissan doctor

That was posted in another thread recently.

The old model a4 in the video wouldn't have had ESP, traction control maybe but that wouldn't have had any input into a slide like that.

Excellent car control 100% imo.

Bigcheeze

kupus wrote: »

Question:
Is this the ESP kicking in when he swerves or is it his good driving that brings it under control, or a mixture of both?

He passes under an electronic warning sign at 38 seconds. Maybe it says "Slippery Surface ahead" :pac:

We don't know the circumstances but I don't understand why people describe a recovery like this as good driving. People were doing the same on a recent M7 near miss video thread. He's passing other vehicles at a fast rate so I guess he's doing >100mph. He ended up going sideways on a motorway with no other vehicle involved on a dry day. He's not a good driver.

mickdw

ESP on that age Audi wasn't up to much. He did well to get it all gathered up although it does look like it had well broken away before he reacted to it.

Briskit

I'd say he took the latter half of the journey a fair bit handier

mickdw

Bigcheeze wrote: »

He ended up going sideways on a motorway with no other vehicle involved on a dry day. He's not a good driver.

Fair point but he is a better driver than someone who drives in same manner but fails to catch it

Mr_Roger_Bongos

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Thats just good driving ESP might have been in there somewhere but thats mostly driver. Kudos to him

Kudos?! This bol##x could have taken 2/3 cars with him in the wrong place, people could have died with the car swerving at that speed.

Very surprising comment from a forum mod. Surely we should be trying to promote safe motoring?!

kerten

Bigcheeze wrote: »

He passes under an electronic warning sign at 38 seconds. Maybe it says "Slippery Surface ahead" :pac:

We don't know the circumstances but I don't understand why people describe a recovery like this as good driving. People were doing the same on a recent M7 near miss video thread. He's passing other vehicles at a fast rate so I guess he's doing >100mph. He ended up going sideways on a motorway with no other vehicle involved on a dry day. He's not a good driver.

Agreed, he was just lucky to be in a wide road with no car around. I don't say anyone can control a sliding car like that. But going into this situation without any external effect(assuming there is no unexpected oil or water on the road) shows driving skill and his understanding of car's limit.

Briskit

Mr_Roger_Bongos wrote: »

Kudos?! This bol##x could have taken 2/3 cars with him in the wrong place, people could have died with the car swerving at that speed.

Very surprising comment from a forum mod. Surely we should be trying to promote safe motoring?!

Could have, smoooould have...

... I'd tip my hat at the driving regarding his recovery of the vehicle... the fella's behind "could have" ploughed into him had he botched the recovery of the vehicle

BuzzFish

Mr_Roger_Bongos wrote: »

Surely we should be trying to promote safe motoring?!

Although we do like to see safe driving and good driver behaviour, this is a Motors forum... not a safety forum. there is a place on here somewhere if you want to request a "Safe Motoring" forum.

Bruthal

Bigcheeze wrote: »

He passes under an electronic warning sign at 38 seconds. Maybe it says "Slippery Surface ahead" :pac:

We don't know the circumstances but I don't understand why people describe a recovery like this as good driving. People were doing the same on a recent M7 near miss video thread. He's passing other vehicles at a fast rate so I guess he's doing >100mph. He ended up going sideways on a motorway with no other vehicle involved on a dry day. He's not a good driver.

I would have to agree. Very lucky to get away without causing a major accident. A danger to other road users if he was going as fast as it looked like he was.

BoardsRanger

Its quite simple - He is a bad driver but has exceptional car control.

Mr_Roger_Bongos

LIGHTNING wrote: »

So what is he supposed to do let the car go out of control and let it hit the central barrier and potentially cause a massive crash?

Eh, not drive at what is clearly excess speed?! The main cause of him losing control.

I may be mistaken but on some of those bends it looks as if he's taking the racing line and touching/crossing the hard shoulder on the right hand turns.

EDIT - It's not the hard shoulder but a 3rd lane, driving on the line.

Mr_Roger_Bongos

OSI wrote: »

Why is he a bollox? If I took a similar video driving down the M3 at the speed limit, I'd be passing even more cars than he was. Just because he was overtaking people dosn't mean he was driving dangerously.

He is doing well above the speed limit and you know it, it's clearly the cause of the spin and i'm surprised it didn't happen sooner the speed he was doing into some of the corners in the middle of the video.

And a bollox because he's endangering people's lives.

Mr_Roger_Bongos

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Cool so you know all the circumstances in the video! Can you pass on all the infomation there mister CSI to the rest of us.

Who knows if there was ice/diesel or magic forces going on at the time he lost control. You dont know but what you can tell is that he held it and the car wasnt damaged.

Ai safe as houses, what a ledge.

dr.fuzzenstein

Mr_Roger_Bongos wrote: »

Kudos?! This bol##x could have taken 2/3 cars with him in the wrong place, people could have died with the car swerving at that speed.

Very surprising comment from a forum mod. Surely we should be trying to promote safe motoring?!

He was going fast, but coulda, woulda, shoulda...
Yep, better to throw your hands up in the air, scream like a girl, sh*t your pants and crash.
That's what a lot of "safe" drivers would have done, since they've never been in a skid and would do the above as soon as their car starts to lose traction.
Much safer!:rolleyes:

opinion guy

Briskit wrote: »

I'd say he took the latter half of the journey a fair bit handier

Don't think so he appeared to floor it when he got started again.

LIGHTNING wrote: »

So what is he supposed to do let the car go out of control and let it hit the central barrier and potentially cause a massive crash?

Potentially, he could have caused a massive crash anyhow. Yes, he controlled the skid very well - especially at that speed, but fact is - he was just lucky that he had cleared all the other cars at the time.

Whilst he recovered the skid well - I can't see how anyone can call him a good driver. Its a motorway, not a racetrack.

Bruthal

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

He was going fast, but coulda, woulda, shoulda...
Yep, better to throw your hands up in the air, scream like a girl, sh*t your pants and crash.
That's what a lot of "safe" drivers would have done, since they've never been in a skid and would do the above as soon as their car starts to lose traction.
Much safer!:rolleyes:

Well if the safer drivers were never in a skid, and this fella was in plenty, maybe that tells us something.

Nforce

He hit a patch of oil on the corner...see it at 53 seconds into the video.

dr.fuzzenstein

robbie7730 wrote: »

Well if the safer drivers were never in a skid, and this fella was in plenty, maybe that tells us something.

We don't know how many skids (if any) this individual has been in.

Bruthal

Nforce wrote: »

He hit a patch of oil on the corner...see it at 53 seconds into the video.

It does look like thats a possibility alright. These unforeseen things are made worse by speeding though.

dr.fuzzenstein

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I dont understand some of the replies in this thread.From what I can see if you get into a bad situation that you have a skill set to help you out you are better off just crashing??

In the video the driver isnt acting the clown and he doesnt seem to be going that fast. In car video`s always look quicker that real life.

100% with you there.
There's people who say "No one should ever be in a crash ever under any circumstances at any time".
Yeah and in cloud cuckoo land rocking horses sh*t candyfloss mate.

Bruthal

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

100% with you there.
There's people who say "No one should ever be in a crash ever under any circumstances at any time".
Yeah and in cloud cuckoo land rocking horses sh*t candyfloss mate.

So you dont see even a hint that he is driving like its a racing track?

Caliden

This thread in unreal.

Can the 'saints' please keep the comments coming because some of them are classic.

Bruthal

Caliden wrote: »

This thread in unreal.

Can the 'saints' please keep the comments coming because some of them are classic.

You have come to the right forum if its saints your looking for.

Bruthal

LIGHTNING wrote: »

You must be watching Nascar if you think thats race car driving :pac:

You could be right, but the impression i got was he is one of these drivers that wants to pass everyone else on the road. Keeping the car under control in the skid would seem fantastic, when you consider most drivers here cant drive around a roundabout at 20kph.

There is a fair chance he hit a patch on the road alright though.

Nforce

This video's been doing the rounds for years. Apparently the driver was travelling at 150kph when he clipped the oil patch. From memory, I believe he had some race car driving experience...hence the lack of panic after the incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiVIDjGQQYM

Edit...ignore the MPH tag on the video

tossy

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I dont understand some of the replies in this thread.From what I can see if you get into a bad situation that you have a skill set to help you out you are better off just crashing??

In the video the driver isnt acting the clown and he doesnt seem to be going that fast. In car video`s always look quicker that real life.

Is it possible to agree 200% ? I think in the event of losing control we are meant to panic and ask ourselves "what would uncle Gaybo do" this thread kind of highlights the lack of driver ed in this country with no emphasis based on regaining control of a car that has entered a skid etc. If you should dare display "fhency boy racer skillz" to regain control of a car that has gone out of control then you are clearly a hooligan!!

During the recent bad winters i convinced a few friends to try find a large empy frozen car park and lose control of their car to see how both it and they behaved,all of them thanked me and said they felt more confident driving in snow/ice for the experience.Skid pan driving should be part of the test over here without a doubt,but then again we don't even allow our learners get experience on the motorways - what a joke.

Kudos to the driver in that vid he prevented a pile up,the closure of a motorway and possible fatal injuries to himself and those travelling behind him.

Jimdagym

He wouldnt have gotten away with that without power steering!

Gophur

Mr_Roger_Bongos wrote: »

Kudos?! This bol##x could have taken 2/3 cars with him in the wrong place, people could have died with the car swerving at that speed.

Very surprising comment from a forum mod. Surely we should be trying to promote safe motoring?!

Why are you getting excited about something that did not happen, and berating someone for commenting on something that did happen?

Wetbench4

If you listen to the music he has on, just before he loses it you hear "Your time has come... Set your soul free". Very suitable (almost).

mickdw

HAving another look at that video, he does seem to be driving like a bit of a dick. At 34 seconds, he overtakes barely giving time for the car in front to clear his lane.
Doesnt look like anywhere near 150 mph either though.

Nforce

mickdw wrote: »

HAving another look at that video, he does seem to be driving like a bit of a dick. At 34 seconds, he overtakes barely giving time for the car in front to clear his lane.
Doesnt look like anywhere near 150 Kph either though.

Allegedly

mickdw

Nforce wrote: »

Allegedly

150 km does seem about right. Didnt read that post correctly.

cdublin

In fairness, that is some recovery for 150mph on a pretty tight stretch.

dgt

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I dont understand some of the replies in this thread.From what I can see if you get into a bad situation that you have a skill set to help you out you are better off just crashing??

In the video the driver isnt acting the clown and he doesnt seem to be going that fast. In car video`s always look quicker that real life.

No matter what the outcome, everyone won't agree. Ever :pac:

Brilliant reactions but generally a cavalier attitude to driving

*awaits pictures of cavaliers :rolleyes:

Saab Ed

Typical audi. All the handling attributes of a pregnant whale but the grip of child to its mother being chased by a dog. Holds on for ever then fcuks you in to a ditch backwards.

kupus

Imo the guy showed great driving skills with or without the esp in getting the car under control,
When I was in my younger days we used to drive Sh1iteheaps costing 5-10 pounds around the forestry roads, and while I wouldnt claim to be colin mccrae I feel this experience has helped me countless times while driving on the road.
And to echo Lighting and Tossy belief that driving skills really need to be enhanced in IReland, cos its not all theory and rules of the road, they only exist on paper I'm afraid to say.

dr.fuzzenstein

Saab Ed wrote: »

Typical audi. All the handling attributes of a pregnant whale but the grip of child to its mother being chased by a dog. Holds on for ever then fcuks you in to a ditch backwards.

That's why I drive Focus.
Grip is progressive, it warns you with understeer if you're pushing it, which can be turned into oversteer if lifting off the throttle.
All this without ever just snapping away without warning, always predictable, always manageable.
When I started to drive I had an Escort van, it was merciless. Crappy roadholding at the best of times (chassis was so soft, the door jammed when only one front wheel was on the sidewalk) and would break away completely without warning as I've found out on one occasion, but at 20 one tends to push his luck (and his car) further than it should go.
A lot of people here assume a lot about what exactly happened in this video, but iff you assume, you're making an ass-out of-u-and-me.
I know the RSA driver's manual is a DVD of "Driving Miss Daisy", but sometimes things go pearshaped.

Mycroft H

He is an irresponsible **** for driving at that speed and that style and almost paid the price.

However, I don't think there would be very many drivers who could pull a recovery like that.

Nissan doctor

Jimdagym wrote: »

He wouldnt have gotten away with that without power steering!

Rubbish, At speed there is almost no difference between having power steering and not.

Many drifters run without power steering and they control a car like that while doing laps of tracks!

You'll never steer fast enough to control massive slides like that if your gripping the wheels too hard anyway, you let the natural self centering do the work.(admittedly this is easier when your expecting the slide)

Note the steering control in this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIq96XHXwek

Regards the opening video, I don;t think there can be any question that his reactions and car control skill are top shelf, its how smart it was to be driving like that on a public road with other(unpredictable) drivers that should be in question.

Jimdagym

Fair enough ND. I never would have thought he could pull opposite locks twice so quickly in this situation with an old rack and pionion jobbie on it but I'll take your word for it.

Nice video too btw

Nissan doctor

Jimdagym wrote: »

Fair enough ND. I never would have thought he could pull opposite locks twice so quickly in this situation with an old rack and pionion jobbie on it but I'll take your word for it.

Nice video too btw

Most steering systems are rack and pinion, with or without power steering. No power steering can sometimes even be better for car control then some modern power steering systems which can lack feel and be overly light.

Bruthal

Jimdagym wrote: »

Fair enough ND. I never would have thought he could pull opposite locks twice so quickly in this situation with an old rack and pionion jobbie on it but I'll take your word for it.

Nice video too btw

Better feel without it at speed.

tossy

That is another belief i have about Driver ed in this country,i think everyone should learn to drive in a car with no power steering,ABS etc,but i am a realist and know this is totally impractical.

Nissan doctor

tossy wrote: »

That is another belief i have about Driver ed in this country,i think everyone should learn to drive in a car with no power steering,ABS etc,but i am a realist and know this is totally impractical.

People would have to switch their brain on while driving then.....your right, it'd never work:rolleyes:

dr.fuzzenstein

tossy wrote: »

That is another belief i have about Driver ed in this country,i think everyone should learn to drive in a car with no power steering,ABS etc,but i am a realist and know this is totally impractical.

+1000 on that and throw in some track training too!
My first 5 cars had no power steering, ABS or anything along those lines.
They didn't even have power windows!
It's actually not a problem whatsoever, once on the move it's nice, find it mostly useful for parking.
Once, approaching Nenagh sometime round '98 or so in my VW van, just round the corner the traffic had come to a standstill, massive jam going into town.
Had to step on the brakes but knew I wasn't going to make it. Just before the last car let go of the brakes, threw the wheel round and swerved onto the hard shoulder and stepped on the brakes again. Came to a halt beside the third car I think it was.
Anyone used to ABS only would have crashed.
Traction control on FWD will do nothing but keep power on the ground when you floor it on take-off.
It actually is useful on RWD cars to keep the rear stepping out, wish I had that on a BMW I drove on an icy road in Germany, major scary.

There are so many driver aids that a lot of people don't know how ham fisted they are, get cocooned in a false sense of security and that can only end bad.

davidoco

This is how it's done at 150mph - stock car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jSYiU-JdRw

Chris_Heilong

Nice steering in the spin. The road didnt look too dangerous and he could see what was up ahead, problem was what he drove over, you can see a dark patch just before the loss of control. He seems very relaxed changing the gears and does not look like he was speeding for the trill.