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Run Fat Boy Run - The lazy mans guide to Ironman and Marathon training.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Tuesday
    Run 6 miles easy, 8.12 min/mile pace.

    Wednesday
    Swim I've been keen to get a 3,000m swim session in for a couple of weeks now but it hasn't happened. I figured today was my last chance, after that we're too close to the big day. Rather than try and do 3,000m straight I decided to do 1,000m repeats off my IM time for last year which was 1.25hrs, so I was aiming for 3 x 1,000m repeats off 22.30mins.
    200wu / 1,000m @ 21.07 / 1,000m @ 21.20 / 1,000m @ 22.00 - Total 3,200m.

    I was happy with the first two repeats but I slowed a lot on the third 1,000m. I think my stroke is better this year but my overall swim fitness is questionable. It would suggest perhaps that I can match last years race time which is more than I deserve considering the lack of swimming this year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    Pay attention to your stroke as you tire on these long swims - make sure you do not shorten it....that's always the first thing to happen when fatigue sets in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    Dory Dory wrote: »
    Pay attention to your stroke as you tire on these long swims - make sure you do not shorten it....that's always the first thing to happen when fatigue sets in.

    And pay attention to Dory- these snippets of swim info she gives are worth their weight in gold! I found this to be great advice.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Dory Dory wrote: »
    Pay attention to your stroke as you tire on these long swims - make sure you do not shorten it....that's always the first thing to happen when fatigue sets in.

    Yes Mam :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    Keep it long and strong! ;)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Dory Dory wrote: »
    Keep it long and strong! ;)

    Can I think of you when I'm flagging?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    griffin100 wrote: »
    Can I think of you when I'm flagging?

    I thought heftier water polo gals were more your type. ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Dory Dory wrote: »
    I thought heftier water polo gals were more your type. ;)

    I prefer the term 'amazonian' myself, but at my age I don't have a type, it's a bonus if they still have all their own teeth and a pulse :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Thursday
    Swim: The first of my sets as prescribed by Mr Tango :)

    200 warm up / 400 drills / 800 main set / 100 cd: Total 1,500

    The drills were balance and kick drills. The main set was 50 x 4 hard off 2 minutes (x 4). The 50's were brought in on:
    Set 1: 51 / 47 / 49 / 47 secc
    Set 2: 51 / 48 / 49 / 49
    Set 3: 51 / 49 / 47 / 49
    Set 4: 53 / 50 / 50 / 51

    Getting tired on set 4 but felt good. Arms are sore now though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭Izoard


    griffin100 wrote: »
    Thursday
    Swim: The first of my sets as prescribed by Mr Tango :)

    200 warm up / 400 drills / 800 main set / 100 cd: Total 1,500

    The drills were balance and kick drills. The main set was 50 x 4 hard off 2 minutes (x 4). The 50's were brought in on:
    Set 1: 51 / 47 / 49 / 47 secc
    Set 2: 51 / 48 / 49 / 49
    Set 3: 51 / 49 / 47 / 49
    Set 4: 53 / 50 / 50 / 51

    Getting tired on set 4 but felt good. Arms are sore now though.


    You doing these in the 50m pool? Finding any difference in it?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    griffin100 wrote: »
    Thursday
    Swim: The first of my sets as prescribed by Mr Tango :)

    200 warm up / 400 drills / 800 main set / 100 cd: Total 1,500

    The drills were balance and kick drills. The main set was 50 x 4 hard off 2 minutes (x 4). The 50's were brought in on:
    Set 1: 51 / 47 / 49 / 47 secc
    Set 2: 51 / 48 / 49 / 49
    Set 3: 51 / 49 / 47 / 49
    Set 4: 53 / 50 / 50 / 51

    Getting tired on set 4 but felt good. Arms are sore now though.

    How did you find the drills on your own in the pool? I am always conscious of the others in the lane with me as the drills are slow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    mloc123 wrote: »
    How did you find the drills on your own in the pool? I am always conscious of the others in the lane with me as the drills are slow.

    Jump in with the breast strokers/aul wans in the slow lane. You probably still end up over taking them doing the drills.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Jump in with the breast strokers/aul wans in the slow lane. You probably still end up over taking them doing the drills.

    Not sure about that, you have seen me 'swim' ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭griffin100


    @Izoard - yep all swimming is now done in a 50m pool. Takes some getting used to. You only realise when swimming in a 50m how much of a rest you get every time you turn in a shorter pool. It really helps with building up the stamina. Interested posted a link which would suggest that 100m in a 50m pool is 4 secs or so slower than in a 20m pool. Doing drills in a 50m is also 'fun' and involves swallowing large amounts of water. Give me a shout if you are likely to be nearby any day and I'll sort you with a guest pass.

    @ Mloc - I'm concious of how slow my drills are and also how I must look like a drowning man when doing them. Like JB suggests I got into the lane today that had the slowest swimmer and made sure I stayed out of his way, not too difficult in a 50m pool. There is a dedicated slow lane in the pool but I find that slow swimmers always think they're faster than they are and end up in the wrong lane so that meant the both of us were in the wrong lane.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Friday
    Swim: 100 wu - 200 drills - 1200 main set - 100 cd. Total 1600m

    Main set was 400 / 200 x 2 / 100 x 4 all with 30 secs rest between each interval. Pace was hard but not flat out. 400 @ 7.47 / 200 @ 3.52 / 4.03 / 100 @ 1.52 / 1.53 / 1.56 / 1.54

    Happy with those times. Nice to have some structure to a session. Pity I haven't done more of this in the last few weeks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Friday
    Run: 6 miles @ 8 min / mile pace. Pushed the pace up a wee bit. Feeling good.

    Saturday
    Bike: 45 kms @ avg. 31kph. Handy enough spin with a few bits of hard pace. Windy enough, hit 50kph on the flat with a tail wind.

    Taper Week 1 Totals
    Swim: 7,300m / 3.5hrs
    Bike: 45 kms / 90 mins
    Run: 12 miles / 2hrs
    Total circa. 7 hrs

    That's the end of taper week 1. Would have liked another run but the body felt tired yesterday so I didn't bother. The plan for this week is loose enough - swim session tonight with Mr Tango and hopefully another 2 easy swims this week / 2 x 5-6 mile runs and maybe a short bike. Not much I can do to improve my fitness now :D

    Starting to look forward to this now. Accommodation is finally booked and I'm only 5 mins from start so no need for the 3.30am start I had last year. Weather forecast at this stage is for showers and little wind - I'll take that. I'd rather lashing rain and no wind than dry and windy. Only pain is the need to carry / wear a rain jacket when the forecast is like that. For shorter races I wouldn't bother, but for an IM I think I need a jacket with me - or am I being too wussy??? I'm heading down on Friday and travelling solo for this one, no support crew this year. Will be strange to cross the finish line in an IM (touch wood) with nobody waiting for me, might be a few snots and tears depending on how drained I am :D (IM can do that to you).

    Predictions???? My aim is to match last years time (13.00.12hrs) or better still go 13 secs quicker :D I have some targets in my head for each stage and an overall time I'd like to hit. As usual I'm being wildly over optimistic given how little training I've done but we'll see how it goes. I actually think I'm aerobically fitter than for either of my previous IM's due to my (for me) high running volume and I'm certainly lighter - last year at the Hardman registration I weighted in at 87kgs, I weighted myself the weekend and I was 83kgs - a weight I haven't seen since I was in my twenties :eek:

    To summarise:
    Swim - have done half the training I did last year, but I think I'm swimming better than I ever have so hopefully the lack of swim fitness won't be a big issue. My long session last week would suggest I can match last years time of 1.25hrs but I'd like to go a bit faster.
    Bike - the big limiter. I've done very little proper bike training. I haven't gone over 5hrs this year and I haven't done any long climbs. Last year I took 6.48hrs and tbh if I match that this year I won't be too disappointed but again closer to 6.35 would be nicer.......I have been feeling stronger on the bike this year for some reason........
    Run I've run more this year than ever before, more than I've cycled :rolleyes: I'd hope to take a decent few minutes of last years 4.29hrs and get it as close to 4hrs as possible but I suspect sub 4hrs might be too far as ask. I plan to start at as close to 8.30 min / mile pace and hold that for as long as possible.

    'Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis'


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    Is the race this this weekend? Which day?? Oh, and as a little surprise, I've arranged for the local woman's water polo team to be waiting for you at the finish line in their bathing suits and bonnets. Consider it a slice of Amazonian heaven for the hell you just went through. ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Dory Dory wrote: »
    Is the race this this weekend? Which day?? Oh, and as a little surprise, I've arranged for the local woman's water polo team to be waiting for you at the finish line in their bathing suits and bonnets. Consider it a slice of Amazonian heaven for the hell you just went through. ;)

    Yes please :D Whilst I do like the sight of someone who looks like an extra from a Russ Meyers film in lycra I'm not too enamored by the head gear, although I can think of some uses for the hand holds over the ears ;)

    Yes the race is this Saturday, no online tracking for this, it's a small event.

    Monday
    Swim: session with Mr Tango. Approx. 1,000m of drills and sprints. Did a set that included a couple of 100's which came in on 1.40 and 1.41 (big improvements for me over the last few weeks). It helps when you have someones feet to chase and the pressure of JB coming up your rear :pac: Really enjoyed this session.

    Even though it's only been 2 coached sessions and 2 coach set swim sets I reckon I'm seeing some improvement from them. I was breathing bilaterally at times last night which is a first for me, due to the balance drills helping me find a good position in the water I think; and my kick is getting better (but is still poor). I still cross over my right hand in front when I'm tired and I need to make sure I reach out fully when entering the water keeping the stroke long (as suggested by Dory also) but it's all good.

    Weather forecast for weekend is getting steadily worse. One thing for sure, it ain't gonna be dry. Coming off Molls Gap in the rain on a TT bike is going to be interesting :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    Obviously, mind whatever your coach says and ignore my chattering if it is in opposition to what he says, but....

    In your race, stay relaxed and keep your stroke long. Also, it is perfectly okay (and these days encouraged) to breathe every stroke to one side for max oxygen intake (you may want to peek every now and then to the other side if needed, but I did not in my race this weekend - but I was able to sight dead on and had good peripheral vision). No need for oxygen deprivation for the distance you are going. Bilateral breathing is fairly important while training, but in a race it is acceptable for that to go out the window. Another thing I like about breathing to one side in a long distance race is it puts me in a rhythm of 1,2 and then a slight (very, very slight) pause on 2 with my breath. What that does for me is give me an ever-so-small pause to rest...if you can even call it a rest, but it sort of is. So my beat is 1,2...1,2...1,2... Hope this makes sense.


    I will wish you luck later in the week....after I sort the girls for you. ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Tuesday
    Run: Nice gentle 5 miles @ 8.30 pace. If things are going ok on Saturday and I haven't drowned during the bike I will try and hit this pace for the run. It's a pace that I feel like I can run at comfortably for a long time but we'll see how it feels after 6hrs plus in the saddle.

    Wednesday
    Swim: 1,200m. Not doing anything too hectic this week in the pool, just trying to keep some sort of feel for the water and the stuff that Tango has been saying. Did 100m wu / 400m drills / 100 x 3 / 200 drills / 100 x 2. The drills were mostly balance with some kick. The 100's were coming in on 1.45-50. I really slowed down the stroke rate on the last two 100m repeats and these were 1.55-2.00 - 38 of those on Saturday and I'd be very happy.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭Izoard


    All the best with it griffin...

    I know there are a number around these parts that disagree on the concept of "hard" vs "easy" IMs - but IMHO this is in the "hard" category for a number of reasons.

    Enjoy it and looking forward to the report from the "Twice as Hardman"...


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Izoard wrote: »
    I know there are a number around these parts that disagree on the concept of "hard" vs "easy" IMs - but IMHO this is in the "hard" category for a number of reasons.

    The fact that according to the briefing document the run is 27.5 miles certainly puts this into the 'hard' category :eek:. I am hoping this is an misprint though.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Good luck with this, I'm digging out my water polo hat for you as we speak, though goodness knows what youre talking about with the hand holds.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭Dory Dory


    Okay....GOOD LUCK on Saturday!!!!! Woo hoo!!! Think girls, girls, girls....and water....and polo.....and balls....and nets.....and sexy bonnets. Here's a link just for you to spur you on, not that you need any spurring on.....and I'll even pick you up an issue here in the States and send it to you if you can't get one over there. ;)

    Kick some serious booty this weekend!!!!

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2010/10/usa-water-polo-womens-national-team-team-appear-in-espn-body-issue/1


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭RedB


    best of luck on Sat Mr Griffin - show them how its done!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭catweazle


    griffin100 wrote: »
    The fact that according to the briefing document the run is 27.5 miles certainly puts this into the 'hard' category :eek:. I am hoping this is an misprint though.

    Another mile after running 26 will be no problem you wont even notice it :D

    Enjoy the day!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭Bambaata


    Best of luck, looking forward to the report


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    Best of luck Peter have a great race, looking forward to the report.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Good luck tomorrow, at least sun burn should not be an issue.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Thank to all for the well wishes and to Dory for the soft porn :)

    Sitting in a nice Italian in Killarney studiously avoiding the wine list (and the prawns on the menu :))

    I think i can say with some certainty sunburn and dehydration ain't going to be an issue tomorrow if it's a repeat of today's weather.


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