Lack of Decent Jobs in Australia (on a WHV)

GiftofGab

So I've been in Australia for about 3 months now - 2 months travelling and 1 month in Melbourne searching for a decent job. However I always seem to hit a brick wall - I've applied to tons of temporary banking / finance / administration roles with no luck so far. I've even been applying to loads of data entry jobs with terrible pay ($21-$23 an hour) and still nothing. I usually change my Resume and Cover Letter to suit each job and I've a degree + postgrad + 1.5 years experience.

My money is running out fast so does anybody know of any recruiters that can help? I've talked and met with one or two but can't seem to find a position.

There appears to be jobs for carpenters, plumbers and cafe workers in Melbourne but I would like something to put down on my Resume for my time in Melbourne. This can also be taken a a word of advice for anybody coming over looking for these sort of jobs.

markymark21

My guess is that employers in industry you work in don't see individuals on WHV as viable candidates. They probably want people who can work longer then the 6 months

From reading stories and talking to other people if you are on a WHV you'll struggle to get a job in your chosen career in Australia unless you work in the hospitality or construction industry. Although it seems people who work in Finance (and have good experience and qualifications) have a good chance of getting sponsored.

I was luckily enough to get a job as a supervisor but I think I was pretty fortunate to get this position while on a WHV

Pisco Sour

As I said to a previous post of yours on a different thread, literally everybody I know from back home who is a qualified accountant got sponsorship in no time out here. One guy got sponsored by the company before he even started the job, and this was within 3 weeks of landing in Australia.

A lot of employers aren't interested in hiring people on WHV's because of the 6 month restriction but if you make it completely clear from the outset to the recruitment agencies that you are seeking sponsorship then that changes things. If you dont do that then they just assume you will piss off to another part of Australia after a few months like most people on WHVs.

dave3004

OP - try ambition.com.au

They got me and my friends jobs in finance industry.

We're all sponsored now.

GL

karl bracken

I work in IT which everyone from home says you will get a job no problem.

I applied for at least 200 jobs and got 2 interviews and these were all lower end jobs. its all about your visa status i got lucky with the second interview.

If you have a solid background 3years+ i think you should be ok but anything less you are still a junior and are prob better trying smaller companies that are not that up on visa's, thats what happen me anyways.

I done my 6 months and they wanted to keep me and all it cost them to become a sponsor is about 500 dollars and 80 for a position nomination. then about 320 for you to apply for your 457

greenprincess

Nice tip Dave

But gift, I was almost in the same boat, I dont have a post grad tho. I applied for a 2month contract doing the exact same thing I was doing for a bank in Ireland and I got refused due to my visa. In the end I gave up because everyone I went to said that banks will not hire people on WHV's in WA I was even told by one agency it is illegal for them to hire WHV's due to the sensitive information available, although I dont think thats true. And $23 an hour isnt bad in fairness you can live fairly well off that!

Edit:

BTW I did apply for loads of other jobs not just that one before settling for something else!

The Aussie

Can i ask why this thread is called "Lack of decent Jobs in Australia"

zweton

Prob meant to say "Lack of Decent Jobs in Australia on WHV"

hussey

zweton wrote: »

Prob meant to say "Lack of Decent Jobs in Australia on WHV"

edited - lots of decent jobs out there.

jank

GiftofGab wrote: »

So I've been in Australia for about 3 months now - 2 months travelling and 1 month in Melbourne searching for a decent job. However I always seem to hit a brick wall - I've applied to tons of temporary banking / finance / administration roles with no luck so far. I've even been applying to loads of data entry jobs with terrible pay ($21-$23 an hour) and still nothing. I usually change my Resume and Cover Letter to suit each job and I've a degree + postgrad + 1.5 years experience.

My money is running out fast so does anybody know of any recruiters that can help? I've talked and met with one or two but can't seem to find a position.

There appears to be jobs for carpenters, plumbers and cafe workers in Melbourne but I would like something to put down on my Resume for my time in Melbourne. This can also be taken a a word of advice for anybody coming over looking for these sort of jobs.

Father Damo

GiftofGab wrote: »

I've even been applying to loads of data entry jobs with terrible pay ($21-$23 an hour) and still nothing.

From memory the going rate for these jobs back home was around 10- 12 euro per hour.

Thats about 14- 16 dollars! How much are you expecting for an entry level job?

GiftofGab

Father Damo wrote: »

From memory the going rate for these jobs back home was around 10- 12 euro per hour.

Thats about 14- 16 dollars! How much are you expecting for an entry level job?

The minimum wage is about $18-$19 here so a few dollars over minimum wage and I'd be satisfied. I've completed 5 years of college and have experience so I would generally expect a bit more than minimum wage. I would happily take a data entry job. Most of these are advertised for about $22-$23 an hour

karl bracken

God id never work for 21 - 23 an hour sure thats terrible altogether i was on 0 an hour at home lol

Take any job you can get, go work in a bar, restaurant, warehouse, retail or do your farm work.
Your going to get to a stage were its do anything or go home, search for that right job while your working somewhere else

Xavi6

GiftofGab wrote: »

The minimum wage is about $18-$19 here so a few dollars over minimum wage and I'd be satisfied. I've completed 5 years of college and have experience so I would generally expect a bit more than minimum wage. I would happily take a data entry job. Most of these are advertised for about $22-$23 an hour

Tbh there's your problem. Your education and experience count for little when you're on a visa.

Your expectations are too high and you should take what you can get, minimum wage included.

jank

We are now seeing the emergence of a new animal species emigrating from Ireland. We call it the "Tiger Cub".

Zoologists fear that the natural habitat called "The real world" will be too harsh for them leading to a quick and rapid extinction.

Its OK though. This extinction will save precious bandwidth to be used for other worth while ventures such as looking up naked pictures of Lara Bingle and Miranda Kerr.

markymark21

GiftofGab wrote: »

Father Damo wrote: »

From memory the going rate for these jobs back home was around 10- 12 euro per hour.

Thats about 14- 16 dollars! How much are you expecting for an entry level job?

The minimum wage is about $18-$19 here so a few dollars over minimum wage and I'd be satisfied. I've completed 5 years of college and have experience so I would generally expect a bit more than minimum wage. I would happily take a data entry job. Most of these are advertised for about $22-$23 an hour

Minimum wage is $15.70 I think. $23 an hour will give you $920 a week before tax.. Which is €720.. Not too shabby!

karl bracken

jank wrote: »

We are now seeing the emergence of a new animal species emigrating from Ireland. We call it the "Tiger Cub".

Zoologists fear that the natural habitat called "The real world" will be too harsh for them leading to a quick and rapid extinction.

Its OK though. This extinction will save precious bandwidth to be used for other worth while ventures such as looking up naked pictures of Lara Bingle and Miranda Kerr.

Hold on Jank whats that glimmer behind you??!!

Ah my mistake i thought those streets were lined with gold, you mean im the immigrant now and have to take what i can get lol

Xavi6 is right your visa is as important if not more important when you only have 1.5 years experience and a degree, most of the Asians here have a masters because it allows them to go straight for perminent residency if they study here.
The Indians have loads of qualifications as well, having native English will stand to you over some other races depending on the job.

mandrake04

jank wrote: »

We are now seeing the emergence of a new animal species emigrating holidaying from Ireland. We call it the "Tiger Cub".
Zoologists fear that the natural habitat called "The real world" will be too harsh for them leading to a quick and rapid extinction.

Its OK though. This extinction will save precious bandwidth to be used for other worth while ventures such as looking up naked pictures of Lara Bingle and Miranda Kerr.

FYP

Father Damo

GiftofGab wrote: »

The minimum wage is about $18-$19 here so a few dollars over minimum wage and I'd be satisfied. I've completed 5 years of college and have experience so I would generally expect a bit more than minimum wage. I would happily take a data entry job. Most of these are advertised for about $22-$23 an hour

My mates Aussie missus, who while an intelligent girl never did any type of 3rd level, got a starting wage of 25 per hour. Aussie employers arent particularly interested in qualifications alot of the time.

We call it the "Tiger Cub".

Zoologists fear that the natural habitat called "The real world" will be too harsh for them leading to a quick and rapid extinction

Hardly. The person here is bemoaning "only" getting 18 euro per hour for a job that back home you would take home about 400- 450 per week for. If you have residency the money available for what in Ireland would be low paid menial work is staggering. Being a forklift driver or a binman doesnt sound too glamourous yet they can be making more than a graduate. Even some branches of McDonalds pay around the 19 p/h mark.

mandrake04

Shock 2nd time this week I have had to agree with Damo

$20-$25 ph is not bad for a w. holiday visa

I posted this in September based on Aug figures

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74464519&postcount=8

National average is $33/$34 ph and I reckon more for Sydney ($40+)

GiftofGab

Well bar work and retail gets about $22-$23 an hour - would it be too much to ask to get the same as that?

jank

GiftofGab wrote: »

Well bar work and retail gets about $22-$23 an hour - would it be too much to ask to get the same as that?

Sure, if you have one of these?

saywhatyousee

The AUS $ is massively overvalued at the minute not too long ago 1 euro would of got $2.20 whats it now $1.26.Australia is heading for a crash of epic proportions buy other currency's with your OZ dollars now while its strong.

Zambia

What would you recommend buying ?

Xavi6

Zambia wrote: »

What would you recommend buying ?

The Aussie

saywhatyousee wrote: »

The AUS $ is massively overvalued at the minute not too long ago 1 euro would of got $2.20 whats it now $1.26.Australia is heading for a crash of epic proportions buy other currency's with your OZ dollars now while its strong.

Maybe the Euro was massively overvalued for a decade and what's happening now is a permanent adjustment that's here because of the dishonesty of tin pot little nations.

But yes the AUS Dollar probably is overvalued at the moment.

I hope for everyone on a Visa that Australia is not heading for a epic crash, if that does happen they are first boat out of Oz and Ireland will have a unemployment rate nearing 20%...

lou044

OP why don't you hop on a flight to Perth? Unemployment here is lower and tons of office jobs here paying 20-25 an hour. I got a job in my first week here selling solar- saved tons of money and now taking a few weeks out to chill. 4 new Irish people came to my hostel last week and 3 of them are already working- 2 of the girls working in offices.

JimmyCrackCorn

mandrake04 wrote: »

Shock 2nd time this week I have had to agree with Damo

$20-$25 ph is not bad for a w. holiday visa

I posted this in September based on Aug figures

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74464519&postcount=8

National average is $33/$34 ph and I reckon more for Sydney ($40+)

Ouch. I'm heading to Sydney in early march on a work sponsored visa.
$77k figure i assume is average including super. (making the average hourly rate less than above)

rightyabe

About average wages, my mates in Perth are earning $28ph as a driller on the roads and another a chippie with a major company is on $35 (half of Donegal is working there and the start pay for TA's is $30) another on traffic control is on $23 a hour but gets about $35 for overtime and nights.

So there is jobs and money out there if your willing to try something, only saying like...:D

O and that "Tiger Cub" that somebody mentioned, I see were your coming from as I met plenty of Irish people in Perth who were to "posh" to do certain jobs.

But hey it takes all sorts:)

markymark21

rightyabe wrote: »

About average wages, my mates in Perth are earning $28ph as a driller on the roads and another a chippie with a major company is on $35 (half of Donegal is working there and the start pay for TA's is $30) another on traffic control is on $23 a hour but gets about $35 for overtime and nights.

So there is jobs and money out there if your willing to try something, only saying like...:D

O and that "Tiger Cub" that somebody mentioned, I see were your coming from as I met plenty of Irish people in Perth who were to "posh" to do certain jobs.

But hey it takes all sorts:)

One of our regulars in the hotel says generally wages are far better in Perth then in the other states. Any idea if this is true?

rightyabe

markymark21 wrote: »

One of our regulars in the hotel says generally wages are far better in Perth then in the other states. Any idea if this is true?

I would say it could be true but maybe things are more expensive in Perth i'm not sure to be honest but I have mates in Brissy and they are earning good money too for chippy work. So its hard to say it might be a case of "the grass is greener" who knows...:rolleyes:

markymark21

rightyabe wrote: »

markymark21 wrote: »

One of our regulars in the hotel says generally wages are far better in Perth then in the other states. Any idea if this is true?

I would say it could be true but maybe things are more expensive in Perth i'm not sure to be honest but I have mates in Brissy and they are earning good money too for chippy work. So its hard to say it might be a case of "the grass is greener" who knows...:rolleyes:

Perth more expensive then Melbourne or brissy?

Just back From dinner with the missus, $185 including tip.. Melbourne can do some damage to the wallet if ya let it!

jank

saywhatyousee wrote: »

The AUS $ is massively overvalued at the minute not too long ago 1 euro would of got $2.20 whats it now $1.26.Australia is heading for a crash of epic proportions buy other currency's with your OZ dollars now while its strong.

There is a reason why its strong. Record commodity prices but I agree it will weaken over the next year or two but dont think it will go to the rates of what we saw pre-gfc. Now is the new normal in some ways.

The euro may not exist in a years time and the US dollar is facing massive QE in the next few years as its the only way out of its debt. There are only so many Swiss Francs and Norwegian Kroner's out there to buy. Options are not great and ffs do not say buy gold or silver.

Esse85

lou044 wrote: »

OP why don't you hop on a flight to Perth? Unemployment here is lower and tons of office jobs here paying 20-25 an hour. I got a job in my first week here selling solar- saved tons of money and now taking a few weeks out to chill. 4 new Irish people came to my hostel last week and 3 of them are already working- 2 of the girls working in offices.

Im heading to Perth for a WHV with a masters degree but no real working experience only a year in telesales and then various part time jobs.

What's the best way of getting an office job?

mandrake04

JimmyCrackCorn wrote: »

Ouch. I'm heading to Sydney in early march on a work sponsored visa.
$77k figure i assume is average including super. (making the average hourly rate less than above)

As far as I can remember it didn't include super or overtime, that was just Pre- tax average.

mandrake04

markymark21 wrote: »

One of our regulars in the hotel says generally wages are far better in Perth then in the other states. Any idea if this is true?

The high wages paid in the mines would push up the state average and also to a certain extent drain the work force from non-mining occupations. So I would assume that would be true, but that in return puts up living costs.

DirkVoodoo

jank wrote: »

There is a reason why its strong. Record commodity prices but I agree it will weaken over the next year or two but dont think it will go to the rates of what we saw pre-gfc. Now is the new normal in some ways.

The euro may not exist in a years time and the US dollar is facing massive QE in the next few years as its the only way out of its debt. There are only so many Swiss Francs and Norwegian Kroner's out there to buy. Options are not great and ffs do not say buy gold or silver.

The IMF have said that the AUS dollar is somewhere in the region of 30% overvalued. Sure, they have more natural resources than Ireland and a neighbour with an insatiable appetite, but no one is untouchable. Sky rocketing commodity and property prices, an overvalued currency reducing tourism, etc.

All eyes on China, because they are the ones who control Australia's economic future.

jank

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

The IMF have said that the AUS dollar is somewhere in the region of 30% overvalued. Sure, they have more natural resources than Ireland and a neighbour with an insatiable appetite, but no one is untouchable. Sky rocketing commodity and property prices, an overvalued currency reducing tourism, etc.

All eyes on China, because they are the ones who control Australia's the worlds economic future.

:cool:

Pisco Sour

markymark21 wrote: »

Just back From dinner with the missus, $185 including tip.. Melbourne can do some damage to the wallet if ya let it!

Don't blame Melbourne for that. Nobody to blame but yourself there. What the hell were you eating? Lobster??? :eek:

Zambia

Yeah cost me 82 bucks today??

Luckycharm

I remember paying $75 for lunch in Manly on Anzac day- it was supposedly Sydneys best pizza place - what got me was how expensive Wine was cheapest bottle was $42 - thought that was not normal but was in another OK place in Newcastle (not byo) and wine prices were similar. Did have a good meal in an RSL later for next to nothing which balanced it up.

saywhatyousee

Zambia wrote: »

What would you recommend buying ?

Food stocks share's in wheat,corn,ect silver(my top tip)small amounts of gold.Norwegian krone is you want to hold some currency.Shares in company's like tesco.

saywhatyousee

The Aussie wrote: »

Maybe the Euro was massively overvalued for a decade and what's happening now is a permanent adjustment that's here because of the dishonesty of tin pot little nations.

But yes the AUS Dollar probably is overvalued at the moment.

I hope for everyone on a Visa that Australia is not heading for a epic crash, if that does happen they are first boat out of Oz and Ireland will have a unemployment rate nearing 20%...

The reason the Euro is still staying stable against most of the worlds currency is the eurozone cumulative gold reserve is the biggest in the world.Australia is ranked 34 bit strange for a country that gold is mined in.

saywhatyousee

Xavi6 wrote: »

I have been trading commodity's and FOREX for years sure what would i know?What is your occupation?

saywhatyousee

jank wrote: »

There is a reason why its strong. Record commodity prices but I agree it will weaken over the next year or two but dont think it will go to the rates of what we saw pre-gfc. Now is the new normal in some ways.

The euro may not exist in a years time and the US dollar is facing massive QE in the next few years as its the only way out of its debt. There are only so many Swiss Francs and Norwegian Kroner's out there to buy. Options are not great and ffs do not say buy gold or silver.

There have been unofficial rumors spreading in the financial circles that China has been manipulating it growth statistics for the past 2 years.I would drop swiss franc's aswell because it has been sneakily pegged to the euro.

The Aussie

saywhatyousee wrote: »

The reason the Euro is still staying stable against most of the worlds currency is the eurozone cumulative gold reserve is the biggest in the world.

Why cant the Euro translate to $$$, Sort of goes against your first post saying.

saywhatyousee wrote: »

not too long ago 1 euro would of got $2.20 whats it now $1.26.

Does not read stable to me, if anything it goes down that much i want to ask her out for a few drinks.

jank

saywhatyousee wrote: »

There have been unofficial rumors spreading in the financial circles that China has been manipulating it growth statistics for the past 2 years.I would drop swiss franc's aswell because it has been sneakily pegged to the euro.

In fairness those rumors have been around for donkeys years. The Chinese government were notorious for cooking the books. but I would say there is some truth to it. People will turn a blind eye to it as there is too much money being made until of course the whole thing comes crashing down.

Xavi6

saywhatyousee wrote: »

I have been trading commodity's and FOREX for years sure what would i know?What is your occupation?

Online cynic

markymark21

04072511 wrote: »

Don't blame Melbourne for that. Nobody to blame but yourself there. What the hell were you eating? Lobster??? :eek:

We were in MoVida. Seriously good tapas. Its not actually too expensive (The single tapas are around $4-$5 bucks and the sharing tapas are around $15-$25). It was just so good we ordered so many! And all the wine, deserts and coffee ran the bill up as well

hussey

markymark21 wrote: »

We were in MoVida. Seriously good tapas. Its not actually too expensive (The single tapas are around $4-$5 bucks and the sharing tapas are around $15-$25). It was just so good we ordered so many! And all the wine, deserts and coffee ran the bill up as well

fantastic place! Love it! But seriously you can't complain about food prices when you dine at a 2 hatted restaurant !

markymark21

hussey wrote: »

fantastic place! Love it! But seriously you can't complain about food prices when you dine at a 2 hatted restaurant !

I ain't complaining about the prices - it was well worth every penny. They're attention to detail and innovation when it came to some of their dishes was great. One dish I had - smoked mackerel with a pine nut and gazpacho sorbet was fantastic.

Any restaurants in the CBD you'd recommend?