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My challenge 2012

  • 03-01-2012 2:24pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭


    I am taking part in a challenge to get to single digits by the end of next summer, practice as much as possible and start singles comps in March.

    A little about me: Im 28, currently back at college now for a 3 yr degree. Im 6ft 2 and athletic build, have played a lot of sports over the years, I seem to have a nack at adapting quickly to sports so I said I would put my mind to this challenge and just go fot it.

    A little about my golf: I started last may (besides playing a few par 3s when i was about 12 before someone smart says it ;)) I joined a club and handed in my 3 cards which were iirc 109, 105 and 102. I was allotted a hcap of 16 at the time and after playing some singles I went back up to 17.2, last week at the end of the year adjustment I was bumped to 18.2.

    First few months were on and off, very very VERY inconsistent, losing balls off the Tee, from fairways, thinning sand shots you know the usual hack around. Id be doing well to break 100

    By august I straightened out a few bits with my swing an tempo and course management and basically not trying to murder the ball, after this I was starting to shoot mid-low 90s.

    Im at the stage now where improvement is showing, im shooting pars and bogeys more so than bogeys/doubles and triples, but still a bit away from calling myself "consistent". Having said that its a lot better than that of the summer and am now shooting mid 80's

    Ive not yet had lessons but I will be getting them both physical and mental from next week on. Ive been hitting the range at least twice a week with at least 2 rounds a week also over winter concentrating on short game and accuracy more so than driver and long irons and distance. This will increase once the weather gets a little better.

    My best 18 hole round so far is an 85 and my best 9 holes is 39 with a couple of 40s too

    I know they're are other threads similar to this but said I would post up for those of you who are interested and I will continue to post up of my progress and any questions or comments are welcomed (please try keep the arguments and negativity to a minimum, im aware its a big challenge but im up to it)

    Any questions about my hours put in, techniques, Drills, equipment used, mental focus etc just shout! Heres to 2012! :)


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 240 ✭✭Deco1983


    Nice one Tones - Best of luck with this.

    D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Tones69 wrote: »
    I am taking part in a challenge to get to single digits by the end of next summer, practice as much as possible and start singles comps in March.

    A little about me: Im 28, currently back at college now for a 3 yr degree. Im 6ft 2 and athletic build, have played a lot of sports over the years, I seem to have a nack at adapting quickly to sports so I said I would put my mind to this challenge and just go fot it.

    A little about my golf: I started last may (besides playing a few par 3s when i was about 12 before someone smart says it ;)) I joined a club and handed in my 3 cards which were iirc 109, 105 and 102. I was allotted a hcap of 16 at the time and after playing some singles I went back up to 17.2, last week at the end of the year adjustment I was bumped to 18.2.

    First few months were on and off, very very VERY inconsistent, losing balls off the Tee, from fairways, thinning sand shots you know the usual hack around. Id be doing well to break 100

    By august I straightened out a few bits with my swing an tempo and course management and basically not trying to murder the ball, after this I was starting to shoot mid-low 90s.

    Im at the stage now where improvement is showing, im shooting pars and bogeys more so than bogeys/doubles and triples, but still a bit away from calling myself "consistent". Having said that its a lot better than that of the summer and am now shooting mid 80's

    Ive not yet had lessons but I will be getting them both physical and mental from next week on. Ive been hitting the range at least twice a week with at least 2 rounds a week also over winter concentrating on short game and accuracy more so than driver and long irons and distance. This will increase once the weather gets a little better.

    My best 18 hole round so far is an 85 and my best 9 holes is 39 with a couple of 40s too

    I know they're are other threads similar to this but said I would post up for those of you who are interested and I will continue to post up of my progress and any questions or comments are welcomed (please try keep the arguments and negativity to a minimum, im aware its a big challenge but im up to it)

    Any questions about my hours put in, techniques, Drills, equipment used, mental focus etc just shout! Heres to 2012! :)

    Best of luck, age and time on your side. This will be become harder as age catches up with ya. As I have found.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    Best of luck
    Tough ask but from reading your posts during last year I reckon you have the desire, the ability and the time (very important) to do it
    Looking forward to seeing how it goes :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭Whyner


    Tones69 wrote: »

    My best 18 hole round so far is an 85 and my best 9 holes is 39 with a couple of 40s too

    Good luck. To keep things clearer, detail your strokes using shots over par. 85 could have been on a par 68 or 72 course.

    I would say the odds are strongly against you but that's the challenge. I thought about doing something similar 2 years ago but decided against it. Not really into goals, worked out well for me.

    18.2 to 9.4 = 8.8 shots.....

    I know a guy in my club who came down to 9 from 20 in about a year so it can be done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 Bogieman


    Good luck with your challenge!

    I started this time last year with a similar plan to get to single figures.
    My handicap was 10.5. I got some 2nd hand blades and some lessons and practiced and played a lot. I got lots of .1s and went out to 11.9.
    So i ditched the blades and got a set of cavity irons and finished the season playing consistantly to my handicap.

    So now I need to get cut 2.5 to get to 9.
    I think it will be hard as I'll need to get maybe 5 rounds better than my handicapp to get cut 2.5 without gaining too many .1's.

    The plan is to keep working on the short game and get a few more lessons.:)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,677 ✭✭✭staker


    Best of luck with it Tones, it would be some achievement after 18 months of golf tbf.
    Time will be biggest factor I'd imagine,expenses another...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    Whyner wrote: »
    Tones69 wrote: »

    My best 18 hole round so far is an 85 and my best 9 holes is 39 with a couple of 40s too

    Good luck. To keep things clearer, detail your strokes using shots over par. 85 could have been on a par 68 or 72 course.

    I would say the odds are strongly against you but that's the challenge. I thought about doing something similar 2 years ago but decided against it. Not really into goals, worked out well for me.

    18.2 to 9.4 = 8.8 shots.....

    I know a guy in my club who came down to 9 from 20 in about a year so it can be done.


    Sorry yep il keep it to strokes over par, my home club is Carlow Par 70. Il post up other courses which i will play. I know its a task and a half but it can and will be done! Plenty of short game and mental practice, I feel confident, cheers lads!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 supersaintpats


    great challenge; best of luck; I reckon on your handicap figures you will have to beat standard scratch 34 times before you get to your 9.4 target, and that without your handicap increasing by more than 0.1 during the year. The golf year is a long one if you play a lot of opens, so there are plenty of chances. You can do it once you bring a good game to the course. My advice - spend most of your practice time, in this order - on putting, chipping and pitching. Have a warm-up routine every time before you tee off; Read Bob Rotella's book, Golf is not a game of perfect; and if you get a chance, read Bobby Jones on putting if you can pick up any of his books. Go for it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    staker wrote: »
    Best of luck with it Tones, it would be some achievement after 18 months of golf tbf.
    Time will be biggest factor I'd imagine,expenses another...

    15 months actually ha, im not totally woried about time as im looking at it over the long term too, i love the sport and all aspects of it so no matter what the outcome next august il keep it up :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    great challenge; best of luck; I reckon on your handicap figures you will have to beat standard scratch 34 times before you get to your 9.4 target, and that without your handicap increasing by more than 0.1 during the year. The golf year is a long one if you play a lot of opens, so there are plenty of chances. You can do it once you bring a good game to the course. My advice - spend most of your practice time, in this order - on putting, chipping and pitching. Have a warm-up routine every time before you tee off; Read Bob Rotella's book, Golf is not a game of perfect; and if you get a chance, read Bobby Jones on putting if you can pick up any of his books. Go for it!

    Well if i can shoot 4 or 5 over css il be cut 1.2 or 1.5 shots each time as i get cut 0.3 each stroke. A couple of good rounds and i feel i can get to 13/14 no problem. Getting from 13 to 9 is where it will be really tough i think. Funny u mention bobs book, im halfway thru it as we speak ;) a great book, really gets you thinking doesnt it. Ive just recently realised just how important getting up and down and chipping/putting is!!! Im gonna breathe short game practice


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 supersaintpats


    don't forget, 0.3 cut from 12.5 to 20.4, then it is 0.2 from 5.5 to 12.4!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    don't forget, 0.3 cut from 12.5 to 20.4, then it is 0.2 from 5.5 to 12.4!

    I know dude cheers, il worry about that when i get to 12.5 :) boom!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭Borisss


    Because I'm an equipment nerd I'm interested in what you're currently gaming? Have you been fitted etc?

    Or is your bag likely to change once you start your lessons/get some professional advice?

    Its certainly a huge ask, I'd be tempted to extend your deadline to the end of the season rather than the summer.

    Good luck with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 798 ✭✭✭nocal


    Best of luck dude - I am very interested to see how you get on and will read with interest all updates. I would be very interested to hear about anything that you feel makes a significant difference - e.g. practise regime and how you approach your practise, exercises that seem to work for you (and why if you are able to figure that bit out!!!)?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    Borisss wrote: »
    Because I'm an equipment nerd I'm interested in what you're currently gaming? Have you been fitted etc?

    Or is your bag likely to change once you start your lessons/get some professional advice?

    Its certainly a huge ask, I'd be tempted to extend your deadline to the end of the season rather than the summer.

    Good luck with it.

    Well its the end of august but sure we'l see ;)

    Driver: R11 w/ Aldila RIP alpha 60X shaft
    3 Wood: TM Burner Superfast 2.0 w/ Aldila NV 85S
    18* Hybrid: TM Burner Superfast 2.0 w/Aldila NV 85S
    Irons: 4-PW Titleist 712 AP2, +1/4 inch long, standard lie, 1 degree strong loft, S400 shaft
    Wedges: 50*, 54* and 58* Mizuno MP R11 with DG spinners
    Putter: TM Corza Ghost

    Got the irons custom fit yeah, the rest were just trial and error :)

    Oh and by the way im a lefty :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    nocal wrote: »
    Best of luck dude - I am very interested to see how you get on and will read with interest all updates. I would be very interested to hear about anything that you feel makes a significant difference - e.g. practise regime and how you approach your practise, exercises that seem to work for you (and why if you are able to figure that bit out!!!)?

    Yep no prob at all, will post up about practice drills and what works best for me, casual rounds, ways of thinking etc
    cheers :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭Borisss


    Tones69 wrote: »
    Well its the end of august but sure we'l see ;)

    Driver: R11 w/ Aldila RIP alpha 60X shaft
    3 Wood: TM Burner Superfast 2.0 w/ Aldila NV 85S
    18* Hybrid: TM Burner Superfast 2.0 w/Aldila NV 85S
    Irons: 4-PW Titleist 712 AP2, +1/4 inch long, standard lie, 1 degree strong loft, S400 shaft
    Wedges: 50*, 54* and 58* Mizuno MP R11 with DG spinners
    Putter: TM Corza Ghost

    Got the irons custom fit yeah, the rest were just trial and error :)

    Oh and by the way im a lefty :D

    Sweet bag. Not jealous at all...no way. Nope.

    You've made the unfortunate error or eliminating the best excuse of all now though, "Its the clubs fault, it doesn't suit my swing!".

    College living must allow for more luxuries nowadays, I was the proud owner of a bag filled with Dunlops when I was attending!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭golfnut1


    Tones69 wrote: »
    nocal wrote: »
    Best of luck dude - I am very interested to see how you get on and will read with interest all updates. I would be very interested to hear about anything that you feel makes a significant difference - e.g. practise regime and how you approach your practise, exercises that seem to work for you (and why if you are able to figure that bit out!!!)?

    Yep no prob at all, will post up about practice drills and what works best for me, casual rounds, ways of thinking etc
    cheers :)

    If you haven't already I think you should read "the elements of scoring" by Raymond Floyd. Only read it a few weeks ago myself after the worst golfing year ever and its changed my game big time for the better. That's my two cents worth anyway.
    Good luck with the challenge.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    golfnut1 wrote: »
    If you haven't already I think you should read "the elements of scoring" by Raymond Floyd. Only read it a few weeks ago myself after the worst golfing year ever and its changed my game big time for the better. That's my two cents worth anyway.
    Good luck with the challenge.

    Thats ordered tmrw morning dude, have about 3 to go through, loving bob rotellas "golf is not a game of perfect" at the mo


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    Borisss wrote: »
    Sweet bag. Not jealous at all...no way. Nope.

    You've made the unfortunate error or eliminating the best excuse of all now though, "Its the clubs fault, it doesn't suit my swing!".

    College living must allow for more luxuries nowadays, I was the proud owner of a bag filled with Dunlops when I was attending!

    Dont go partying, dont smoke, no car right now, so ive spent the money well ;) hope haha


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Have you had any lessons yet?
    I would highly recommend getting some during the off season, so you can practice on and off the course and not worry about 0.1's


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭golfnut1


    Tones69 wrote: »
    golfnut1 wrote: »
    If you haven't already I think you should read "the elements of scoring" by Raymond Floyd. Only read it a few weeks ago myself after the worst golfing year ever and its changed my game big time for the better. That's my two cents worth anyway.
    Good luck with the challenge.

    Thats ordered tmrw morning dude, have about 3 to go through, loving bob rotellas "golf is not a game of perfect" at the mo

    Yeah I have read all rotellas books and countless others. Its all good stuff but I think the "the elements of scoring" is the best I have ever read.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    golfnut1 wrote: »
    Tones69 wrote: »
    golfnut1 wrote: »
    If you haven't already I think you should read "the elements of scoring" by Raymond Floyd. Only read it a few weeks ago myself after the worst golfing year ever and its changed my game big time for the better. That's my two cents worth anyway.
    Good luck with the challenge.

    Thats ordered tmrw morning dude, have about 3 to go through, loving bob rotellas "golf is not a game of perfect" at the mo

    Yeah I have read all rotellas books and countless others. Its all good stuff but I think the "the elements of scoring" is the best I have ever read.
    Im on it tmrw cheers!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Have you had any lessons yet?
    I would highly recommend getting some during the off season, so you can practice on and off the course and not worry about 0.1's

    Guess you didnt read my 1st post? :) no lessons yet but will be starting next week hopefully


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Mr. Larson


    Good luck - I have to say I think it's über ambitious, which I admire but I don't think it's realistic to get there in one year. Sorry to rain on your parade but in my opinion I don't think it's possible. I'd suggest getting to 12 and then 9 the following year would be more achievable. You'll be putting too much pressure on.

    I went from 18 (out to 19 briefly) to 15 in one summer, 15 to 12 in another but holding 12 proved too difficult for me, I bounced between 12 & 14 for a year or so and then got to 9 from 12 following some lessons, a huge amount of practice and time investment in the mental and analytical side of the game. I always felt like I was a woeful bandit off 18 - I never pulled, was embarassed about being 18 and obsessed with getting down lower so I was starting from a really good spot.

    I'd love for you to prove me wrong but sorry, I just don't think it's possible given what I have read.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    Good luck - I have to say I think it's über ambitious, which I admire but I don't think it's realistic to get there in one year. Sorry to rain on your parade but in my opinion I don't think it's possible. I'd suggest getting to 12 and then 9 the following year would be more achievable. You'll be putting too much pressure on.

    I went from 18 (out to 19 briefly) to 15 in one summer, 15 to 12 in another but holding 12 proved too difficult for me, I bounced between 12 & 14 for a year or so and then got to 9 from 12 following some lessons, a huge amount of practice and time investment in the mental and analytical side of the game. I always felt like I was a woeful bandit off 18 - I never pulled, was embarassed about being 18 and obsessed with getting down lower so I was starting from a really good spot.

    I'd love for you to prove me wrong but sorry, I just don't think it's possible given what I have read.

    Given what uve read? I suppose thats fair enough, BUT If you played golf with me back in june when i was shooting a constant 102-108 (shot 115 in baltinglass too haha) and i said to you "within 6 months il be constantly shooting mid 80s" without any lessons you probably would have laughed in my face on the course and probably said "its not possible in that timeframe". Not possible you say? I say its 110% possible, very tough yes but very possible! You think its impossible for me to shoot a constant 10 over par within 8 months from now showing the progress ive made already and ive shot

    Was playing a few holes yesterday when an old teacher of mine said "ive seen your challenge you're doing T,best of luck but let me tell ya ive been playing 30 years working on it and i still cant get lower than 10", I laughed and said "ha yeah thats fair enough, but im going to do that, and within 8 months ;)". We both laughed but I was very serious at the back of it.

    I know most people would probably have your opinion so im not too bothered at all by it, its an honest one at least :)

    At the end of the day,with all due respect, I am not you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Mr. Larson


    Hey Tones, some questions/comments:
    Tones69 wrote: »
    Given what uve read? I suppose thats fair enough, BUT If you played golf with me back in june when i was shooting a constant 102-108 (shot 115 in baltinglass too haha) and i said to you "within 6 months il be constantly shooting mid 80s" without any lessons you probably would have laughed in my face on the course and probably said "its not possible in that timeframe".
    What's your current handicap? How many competitive mid-80's rounds have you scored off the back tees? I have shot many +3 rounds 'casual golf' but currently I'm man enough to admit that a +3 off the Blues of a Sunday is a little beyond me.
    Tones69 wrote: »
    Not possible you say? I say its 110% possible, very tough yes but very possible!

    Ok it's not impossible, I'll rephrase, it'in my opinion it's improbable.
    Tones69 wrote: »
    At the end of the day,with all due respect, I am not you

    Yes fair point, however, the purpose of my outlining what I have done wasn't to support any argument that "you can't do it just because I wasn't able to", it was just to illustrate that I have some idea of what's involved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Kace


    Look forward to seeing how you progress Tones. From your story so far this seems like a pretty tall order. Happy to be proven wrong but I reckon you are likely to be about 3-4 shots away from your target in this timeframe.

    Let the games begin !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭Whyner


    I'm deffo in the no camp. What makes you different from any other person trying their best to get to single figures?

    When did you start constantly shooting mid 80's?

    You've got to expect some negative comments cause you're sharing the dream of thousands of golfers in Ireland, a lot of whom have already admitted defeat.

    Full steam ahead anyway. I'm chasing the same dream but wouldn't be on for the boards route.

    It's a great experiment for all to see and it will be a massive shock if you succeed, then again there's not many 18 handicappers carrying AP2s


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,939 ✭✭✭Russman


    Best of luck with this Tones, from a fellow lefty !

    You've certainly picked a difficult target, doable, but difficult.
    Essentially with the season starting at the end of March, you have 5/6 months to lose 9 shots, while (I assume) making swing changes. So you probably have to break CSS by a minimum total of around 35 shots (say 20 shots @ 0.3 per shot to get to 12 and then 15 more at 0.2 to get to 9), before taking any 0.1s into it. You're going to have to turn some of your 39 shot "nines" into fairly regular rounds of 78-80 ish. If you're shooting in the 90s its fairly easy to trim 6-8 shots off a round by simply using your head and taking your medicine when required, remember, you've loads of shots and don't have to par everything. As someone mentioned its a whole different ball game doing it with a card in the pocket as opposed to a casual game so don't get frustrated if your competition rounds are intitially not as good as your practice rounds - this hardly ever changes no matter how long you play this game.

    Few points:
    1) Golf is not a Game of Perfect is a fantastic read and probably all you'd need from a "book" point of view, any of Rotella's books are great IMO.
    2) Don't put pressure on yourself with the challenge and make it a chore, do your best to forget about it. As soon as it stops being fun you won't make any progress.
    3) Don't worry about the inevitable 0.1s, as long as you're losing 0.3 for each shot you break CSS by you should be ok.
    4) Junior golfers make this kind of handicap jump regularly when they're coming down, just because you're 28 doesn't mean you can't do it too. The ball doesn't know how old you are.
    5) Short game, short game, short game, and then some more short game.

    Having said all that, if you're down to 12 by August I'd regard that as a massive achievement ;)
    The last few shots are the hard ones, there's less low hanging fruit to pick off.

    Maybe try and win a few team events and hope for a General Play revision as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    Hey Tones, some questions/comments:
    Tones69 wrote: »
    Given what uve read? I suppose thats fair enough, BUT If you played golf with me back in june when i was shooting a constant 102-108 (shot 115 in baltinglass too haha) and i said to you "within 6 months il be constantly shooting mid 80s" without any lessons you probably would have laughed in my face on the course and probably said "its not possible in that timeframe".
    What's your current handicap? How many competitive mid-80's rounds have you scored off the back tees? I have shot many +3 rounds 'casual golf' but currently I'm man enough to admit that a +3 off the Blues of a Sunday is a little beyond me.

    Im not really sure wat ur getting at? Most comps arent from the back tees for a start? And to be honest its not something i really think about as my length off the tee is my best part of the game, i know that from any tee i can get close to the green withing regulation, the rest is all short game. But as u asked, my last few comps ive shot 35 and 36 points with 2 scratches. Theres no difference in a casual round and a singles comp (only whats in your head) and il be working on this dont you worry
    Tones69 wrote: »
    Not possible you say? I say its 110% possible, very tough yes but very possible!

    Ok it's not impossible, I'll rephrase, it'in my opinion it's improbable. Why improbable though?
    Tones69 wrote: »
    At the end of the day,with all due respect, I am not you

    Yes fair point, however, the purpose of my outlining what I have done wasn't to support any argument that "you can't do it just because I wasn't able to", it was just to illustrate that I have some idea of what's involved.

    I know that and thanks but i know exactly whats involved, hours and hours of chipping, putting, sand shots, swinging, etc etc.course managment, knowing ur linits, and the mental side too


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Mr. Larson


    Tones69 wrote: »
    Im not really sure wat ur getting at? Most comps arent from the back tees for a start? And to be honest its not something i really think about as my length off the tee is my best part of the game, i know that from any tee i can get close to the green withing regulation, the rest is all short game. But as u asked, my last few comps ive shot 35 and 36 points with 2 scratches. Theres no difference in a casual round and a singles comp (only whats in your head) and il be working on this dont you worry

    What I'm getting at is that if you were shooting consistent mid-80's you'd be off 14 or so by now. If you're shooting them during the winter with placing or non-competitive, casual rounds then that adds some context to your scoring. That's all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    Russman wrote: »
    Best of luck with this Tones, from a fellow lefty !

    You've certainly picked a difficult target, doable, but difficult.
    Essentially with the season starting at the end of March, you have 5/6 months to lose 9 shots, while (I assume) making swing changes. So you probably have to break CSS by a minimum total of around 35 shots (say 20 shots @ 0.3 per shot to get to 12 and then 15 more at 0.2 to get to 9), before taking any 0.1s into it. You're going to have to turn some of your 39 shot "nines" into fairly regular rounds of 78-80 ish. If you're shooting in the 90s its fairly easy to trim 6-8 shots off a round by simply using your head and taking your medicine when required, remember, you've loads of shots and don't have to par everything. As someone mentioned its a whole different ball game doing it with a card in the pocket as opposed to a casual game so don't get frustrated if your competition rounds are intitially not as good as your practice rounds - this hardly ever changes no matter how long you play this game.

    Few points:
    1) Golf is not a Game of Perfect is a fantastic read and probably all you'd need from a "book" point of view, any of Rotella's books are great IMO.
    2) Don't put pressure on yourself with the challenge and make it a chore, do your best to forget about it. As soon as it stops being fun you won't make any progress.
    3) Don't worry about the inevitable 0.1s, as long as you're losing 0.3 for each shot you break CSS by you should be ok.
    4) Junior golfers make this kind of handicap jump regularly when they're coming down, just because you're 28 doesn't mean you can't do it too. The ball doesn't know how old you are.
    5) Short game, short game, short game, and then some more short game.

    Having said all that, if you're down to 12 by August I'd regard that as a massive achievement ;)
    The last few shots are the hard ones, there's less low hanging fruit to pick off.

    Maybe try and win a few team events and hope for a General Play revision as well.

    Cheers for the positivity russman. Im halfway thru that bob rotella book and ive a few more to start once im done with that, i love it. Regarding the other part, ur thinking exactly the same way i am, im going to enjoy this as much as possible, i know im going to have bad shots, its wat u make of the bad shots is what counts.

    il keep the head in a round no matter what. Im going out there playing hole by hole and think my way around the course, trying to make pars, and bogeys are important too. I believe that once you are confident in your consistent swing then rest is totally mental


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Mr. Larson


    Also you have learn how to hold together a winning score. It takes time to learn how not to blow a back 9 etc. and you have to throw more away that you win etc.

    But look, don't let all this come across as negativity. As I said I would love to see you do it as would everyone on here - just not sure it's doable and outlining why..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    Tones69 wrote: »
    Im not really sure wat ur getting at? Most comps arent from the back tees for a start? And to be honest its not something i really think about as my length off the tee is my best part of the game, i know that from any tee i can get close to the green withing regulation, the rest is all short game. But as u asked, my last few comps ive shot 35 and 36 points with 2 scratches. Theres no difference in a casual round and a singles comp (only whats in your head) and il be working on this dont you worry

    What I'm getting at is that if you were shooting consistent mid-80's you'd be off 14 or so by now. If you're shooting them during the winter with placing or non-competitive, casual rounds then that adds some context to your scoring. That's all.

    I havent played a comp in months yeah but yeah i know what you are saying, i dont bother using "placing" unless im actually plugged into a fairway anyway ha, so that doesnt even come into it, Im playing now in my mind as if i am a 12 hcap golfer which i feel will help too as i play with all sub 10 hcappers so its giving me that bit extra pushing i need (all mental i know but it does help) You could also look at it this way, ive been shooting those scores in poxy wind and cold rain so once spring/summer comes the scores should be even better? We all know we play better in nice calm warm conditions,


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Mr. Larson


    Tones69 wrote: »
    i play with all sub 10 hcappers so its giving me that bit extra pushing i need (all mental i know but it does help)

    Playing with sub 10's will definitely help as long as you don't get too hung up on playing up to them or watching what they do. It will definitely help you improve tho and you will definitely pick up some good habits/tips from observing them over time - so great that you get to play with low fellas. Sometimes playing with some people off 14/15 will inspire you a bit too. You will watch them hitting the golf ball and assure yourself with, "if that chap can play off 14/15 with ball striking like that, what am I doing off <current_handicap>?" :)
    Tones69 wrote: »
    You could also look at it this way, ive been shooting those scores in poxy wind and cold rain so once spring/summer comes the scores should be even better? We all know we play better in nice calm warm conditions,
    I hope it doesn't look like I'm trying to disagree with everything you are saying, it's certainly not my intention but re: easier in summer, not so in my experience. This could be specific to my course which is narrow but you can get away with murder in winter due to the softer ground and greens - it's more forgiving and can stop really bad wayward shots destined for trouble.

    That said, plenty of people out there shooting crap scores in Winter so your current form is definitely massively encouraging and no real reason why you can't tear it up in March. Just be patient, forget your scoring as you play, enjoy it, only check in on how you are doing periodically and don't have any expectations about when you should get your 1st cut, when you should be at 15, etc. etc.

    Really interested to see how you get on with it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    Tones69 wrote: »
    i play with all sub 10 hcappers so its giving me that bit extra pushing i need (all mental i know but it does help)

    Playing with sub 10's will definitely help as long as you don't get too hung up on playing up to them or watching what they do. It will definitely help you improve tho and you will definitely pick up some good habits/tips from observing them over time - so great that you get to play with low fellas. Sometimes playing with some people off 14/15 will inspire you a bit too. You will watch them hitting the golf ball and assure yourself with, "if that chap can play off 14/15 with ball striking like that, what am I doing off <current_handicap>?" :)
    Tones69 wrote: »
    You could also look at it this way, ive been shooting those scores in poxy wind and cold rain so once spring/summer comes the scores should be even better? We all know we play better in nice calm warm conditions,
    I hope it doesn't look like I'm trying to disagree with everything you are saying, it's certainly not my intention but re: easier in summer, not so in my experience. This could be specific to my course which is narrow but you can get away with murder in winter due to the softer ground and greens - it's more forgiving and can stop really bad wayward shots destined for trouble.

    That said, plenty of people out there shooting crap scores in Winter so your current form is definitely massively encouraging and no real reason why you can't tear it up in March. Just be patient, forget your scoring as you play, enjoy it, only check in on how you are doing periodically and don't have any expectations about when you should get your 1st cut, when you should be at 15, etc. etc.

    Really interested to see how you get on with it.

    Have you noticed how much of wat ur saying relates to the mental side? :) quite interesting. Thanks for the input, il try my best to enjoy it and just take it stroke by stroke, not an easy task but i wouldnt do it if it was :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,512 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    what im going to post next is a post from PGA professional instructor, Rob Stocke. He posts on another message board that I frequent. This is the link to the original post he made on that forum :: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/93/golf/ultimate-practice-routine-992787/

    Basically it explains a routine designed to have you scoring low and ultimately drop your handicap from high - single figures. Something that has been tried and worked by someone with as much time to dedicate as you appear you might have :) Some of the routines I have applied to my own game to great effect so it's something everyone can give a go, but its definitely designed for people with a LOT of time to drop their handicap in a significant way.

    The pressure you can feel doing some of the routines is pretty special, even the 25 putts in a row from 3 feet when you get up to around 20-24 putts ;)
    dagolfdoc wrote: »
    I've had a lot of people ask me about this & I've seen quite a few threads regarding practice & lowering their handicap, so I thought I'd post this in hopes that it will help someone.

    Here's the story behind it, and the disclaimer. About 8 years ago, I had a student come to me who was a 36 hdcp - best round 110, ave round 120. His goal was to shoot par that year. I've seen the threads on here about doing this, and it is possible but it is not probable. I explained to him that it would take time, money, instruction, and a lot of work with no guarantee that it could/would be done. He was 28, not athletic at all, but had time, money, & desire. We spent 3 months working on his swing (very over-the-top, lot's of moving parts) just to develop a consistent, somewhat solid fade. Since his goal was to score, I developed a program that is scoring based - I have tweaked it some over the years, but basically it's about the same. After I created this, I gave it to 4 tour caliber players (1 PGA Tour, 2 Nationwide, 1 NCAA All-American) and asked them to run through the program and tell me how long it took them to complete & if they would change anything. It took them between 1 1/2-2 hours to complete and they felt it was great for someone looking to lower their handicap. I gave it to my student and he came back a few days later saying he'd spent over 6 hours on the program - and hadn't completed the 2nd stage (lag putting)! I knew then, it would work. We continued to work on his game, and he practiced the routine constantly. Over the next few months he became one of the best putters & wedge players at our club, and he shot 72 in October of that year. When he shot par, he didn't carry a driver or 3 wood and played a low, fade (almost a slice). He was recognized as the most improved player in the country that year - ending the year as a 6.2 handicap. Let me tell you, for a couple months, no one could touch him in a net game - it was fun to watch, and he credits this routine for allowing him to reach his goal. He worked his a** off, and he needed more than just this routine (technique, mental game, strategy, etc), but this is easily a guideline for players instead of just beating balls. This program is currently used by at least 8 NCAA golf teams as well.

    The disclaimer: 1) I don't promise you'll shoot par doing this. 2) This is a good starting point. It's designed for mid-high hdcp players. I don't have tour players do this, and if you're already a low single digit hdcp, it's probably not much use to you, but you may find it helpful to identify a weakness 3) If it seems too easy, make the reps or targets match your level of play. This is designed to help you improve the scoring areas of the game.4) Go through your pre-shot routine before shots - I want this to simulate playing golf. 5) Once you've done the program a few times, add uneven lies, different shaped shots, etc to challenge yourself. The program can be done in one session or broken up into several - you must start at the beginning & can only move to the next section when you have completed a section. You cannot move to chipping until you complete putting, etc. So a player who can't lag putt will not hit full shots for a while. If you are "stuck" on putting, take a break every 20 minutes and stretch your back, get something to drink, just do something else, you can certainly hit balls, but don't skip part of the program.

    It is based on a 2 week format - do program A for 2 weeks then program B for 2 weeks, then back to A, etc.

    Sorry for the long intro- I just didn't want to drop the routine down without sharing the background & what it is designed to achieve. If you have questions or anything you believe I should add, please don't hesitate to let me know!

    Here is the Ultimate Practice Routine, enjoy!

    Program A, First 2 weeks, in this order:

    Putting:
    25 in a row from 3 feet
    Lag Putting
    20 in a row from 20 feet stopping in a 3 foot circle
    20 in a row from 30 feet stopping in a 3 foot circle
    20 in a row from 45 feet stopping in a 3 foot circle

    Chipping:
    8 out of 10 in a 3 foot circle from 20-30 feet

    Pitching:
    25 in a row landing & stopping on the green from 30 yards
    25 in a row landing & stopping on the green from 50 yards
    25 in a row landing & stopping on the green from 70 yards

    Bunkers:
    10 out of 10 out of bunker
    6 out of 10 stop inside the length of a flagstick

    Long Bunker shot:
    5 out of 10 on the green from 30-50 yards

    Irons:
    9-iron 6 out of 10 land & stop on green
    7-iron 6 out of 10 land & stop on green
    5-iron 4 out of 10 land & stop on green

    Driver:
    6 out of 10 land & stop in fairway (if you're on a range set 2 targets the width of a common fairway).

    Program B, Second 2 Weeks:

    Putting:
    25 in a row from 5 feet
    Lag Putting
    30 in a row from 20 feet stopping in a 3 foot circle
    30 in a row from 30 feet stopping in a 3 foot circle
    30 in a row from 45 feet stopping in a 3 foot circle

    Chipping:
    7 out of 10 in a 3 foot circle from 40 feet

    Pitching:
    25 in a row landing & stopping on the green from 40 yards
    25 in a row landing & stopping on the green from 60 yards
    25 in a row landing & stopping on the green from 80 yards

    Bunkers:
    10 out of 10 out of bunker
    7 out of 10 stop inside the length of a flagstick
    7 out of 10 out of bunker from uneven/buried lies

    Long Bunker shot:
    6 out of 10 on the green from 30-50 yards

    Irons:
    pw 7 out of 10 land & stop on green
    8-iron 6 out of 10 land & stop on green
    6-iron 5 out of 10 land & stop on green

    Driver:
    7 out of 10 land & stop in fairway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 468 ✭✭dines08


    Tones69 wrote: »
    Well its the end of august but sure we'l see ;)

    Driver: R11 w/ Aldila RIP alpha 60X shaft
    3 Wood: TM Burner Superfast 2.0 w/ Aldila NV 85S
    18* Hybrid: TM Burner Superfast 2.0 w/Aldila NV 85S
    Irons: 4-PW Titleist 712 AP2, +1/4 inch long, standard lie, 1 degree strong loft, S400 shaft
    Wedges: 50*, 54* and 58* Mizuno MP R11 with DG spinners
    Putter: TM Corza Ghost

    Got the irons custom fit yeah, the rest were just trial and error :)

    Oh and by the way im a lefty :D

    It's definitely possible and best of luck in the efforts. My question is regarding the DG Spinners, just got me some Taylormade XFT's and got DG Spinners fitted. Haven't gotten out with them yet but have read great things. How do you find them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Redzah


    Best of Luck Tones. Personally I think that this significant drop in handicap might be more difficult than you expect as from what i have read your best round is an 85 (+15) on a par 70 course. 12/13 might be a more realistic target and then aim for single figures in 2013. I hope you prove me wrong as you seem to have been bitten by the golf bug and its great to see such enthusiam for the game.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭Myksyk


    Yeah, Best of luck Tones. I reckon you're fairly clear on the level of the challenge. Hope it goes well for you. It'll be fun either way. Simple rule of thumb for the mental side ... Commit before each round not to talk to yourself any differently than you would to a playing partner you were trying to encourage and support.

    You have absolutely nothing to lose in this process and can only become a better golfer. I came from a provisional 18 handicap to 6 from 2008 to 2011 and had great fun doing it. The time and effort is well worth it (my wife wouldn't agree but it is!!!).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    dines08 wrote: »
    Tones69 wrote: »
    Well its the end of august but sure we'l see ;)

    Driver: R11 w/ Aldila RIP alpha 60X shaft
    3 Wood: TM Burner Superfast 2.0 w/ Aldila NV 85S
    18* Hybrid: TM Burner Superfast 2.0 w/Aldila NV 85S
    Irons: 4-PW Titleist 712 AP2, +1/4 inch long, standard lie, 1 degree strong loft, S400 shaft
    Wedges: 50*, 54* and 58* Mizuno MP R11 with DG spinners
    Putter: TM Corza Ghost

    Got the irons custom fit yeah, the rest were just trial and error :)

    Oh and by the way im a lefty :D

    It's definitely possible and best of luck in the efforts. My question is regarding the DG Spinners, just got me some Taylormade XFT's and got DG Spinners fitted. Haven't gotten out with them yet but have read great things. How do you find them?

    I like them basically because of their weight, they feel good and not too light, also notice a slightly lower flight ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Tones69 wrote: »
    Guess you didnt read my 1st post? :) no lessons yet but will be starting next week hopefully

    Errr the sun was in my eyes? :o
    Tones69 wrote:
    BUT If you played golf with me back in june when i was shooting a constant 102-108 (shot 115 in baltinglass too haha) and i said to you "within 6 months il be constantly shooting mid 80s" without any lessons you probably would have laughed in my face on the course and probably said "its not possible in that timeframe".
    Remember that going from 20+ to 15 is amazingly easier than going from 15-9...
    likewise 9 - 5 is way easier then 5-4...and dont even talk about going from 1-0.

    Best of luck though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Benny Cake


    Best of luck Tones, look forward to reading about your progress...

    At least your ambition is more realistic than a previous poster who wants to go from a having a 20hcp to turning pro!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    Myksyk wrote: »
    Yeah, Best of luck Tones. I reckon you're fairly clear on the level of the challenge. Hope it goes well for you. It'll be fun either way. Simple rule of thumb for the mental side ... Commit before each round not to talk to yourself any differently than you would to a playing partner you were trying to encourage and support.

    You have absolutely nothing to lose in this process and can only become a better golfer. I came from a provisional 18 handicap to 6 from 2008 to 2011 and had great fun doing it. The time and effort is well worth it (my wife wouldn't agree but it is!!!).

    Thanks myksyk, thats exactly, worst thing that can happen is i get better at a sprt i love. Wont easy but we will give it a good shot!! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    Played 16 holes today (2 and 3 out of play). 4 pars 10 bogeys 2 doubles. Was good again off the tee, getting my second shots in and around the green but failing to get up and down on toooo many occasions, having said that my 10-15 yard chips are getting better, i was giving myself chances today but was putting bad as i lipped out at least 4 times, missing a lot of 5ft and 6ft putts that id normally make, gonna practice some more at the range later and tmrw again and take it from there :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭royalcarlowgc


    Best of luck 'Tones'. I reckon you will get down to single figures because if you are who I think you are .. your living out there! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    Best of luck 'Tones'. I reckon you will get down to single figures because if you are who I think you are .. your living out there! :D

    ha thanks, stone wall mad sure out there in this weather! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭k.p.h


    Best of luck Tones, I think you can do it. But I defiantly have issues with the time frame. It's good few shots for one year but you never know. With the right focused practice and a bit of coaching it's defiantly possible.

    In regard to them short putts, I often get queer looks before a round when I spend 10 min banging in 3 footers, but I'm thinking "feck it, I'm definitely going to have a lot of these today". Don't be afraid to make them your number one priority.

    Also some balls to out in that weather, fair play :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    k.p.h wrote: »
    Best of luck Tones, I think you can do it. But I defiantly have issues with the time frame. It's good few shots for one year but you never know. With the right focused practice and a bit of coaching it's defiantly possible.

    In regard to them short putts, I often get queer looks before a round when I spend 10 min banging in 3 footers, but I'm thinking "feck it, I'm definitely going to have a lot of these today". Don't be afraid to make them your number one priority.

    Also some balls to out in that weather, fair play :p

    Oh i practice them alright and have no problems who says what :) Just wasnt working out today ha, gonna jump on it though and deffo start dedicating a lot of time to putting!

    Ah stop, bloody brutal out there, tmrw doesnt look too bad so lookin forward to that


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