Overrated rappers

pragmatic1

Anyone else think Rakim is ridiculously overrated. Kool g rap could rap circles around him.

Nolanger

Eric B is overrated too. Always preferred Polo.

Bobby Baccala

No I disagree with you completely, Rakim was one of the first rappers to have complex, intellectual lyrics and one of the best.

seanybiker

Mc dubh :pac:

Bobby Baccala

This is all opinion so don't go jumping down my throat but I think tupac is completely over rated.

conor.hogan.2

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

This is all opinion so don't go jumping down my throat but I think tupac is completely over rated.

Seriously? Really?

Also I was expecting this thread to be about Odd Future, Kendrick Lamar, J Cole or Drake.

seanybiker wrote: »

Mc dubh :pac:

No way I think he is the best, second would be The Assassin.

Osmosis Jones

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Seriously? Really?

Also I was expecting this thread to be about Odd Future, Kendrick Lamar, J Cole or Drake.

Drake isnt overrated...he was never even rated to begin with.

conor.hogan.2

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Drake isnt overrated...he was never even rated to begin with.

He is very rated, and imo over-rated.

Bobby Baccala

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Seriously? Really?

Also I was expecting this thread to be about Odd Future, Kendrick Lamar, J Cole or Drake.




No way I think he is the best, second would be The Assassin.

Yeah man, i seriously don't understand all the hype about tupac when there is rappers out there who are lyrically better than him and have better flows.

Hugh Cream

oh loads, some people are fooled by content, they think the content determines the quality of the song.
so for that reason theres tons of wack rappers given way too much credit.
immortal technique instantly springs to mind.

mufcboy1999

lil wayne all the way, how this man was actually considered the best rapper alive at one stage was beyond me.

Jay Z right now, ye some of his old stuff is unreal but the last 5 years he's been shocking, was so hard to listen to on WTT.

the rest of the top of my head

Birdman
young jeezy
gucci
wacka
wale

Bobby Baccala

+1 on lil wayne, he's fúckin brutal and Dr dre as a rapper as well, he's a brilliant producer and possibly one of the best but he doesn't even write his own lyrics.

Hugh Cream

wayne gets a raw deal, tha carter 2 and 3 are top albums, two in particular is a gem.

Hugh Cream

Ricky Rozay
Not the worst ever but hes part of a new trend in hip hop, certain acts being way over hyped when theyve achieved nothing.

mufcboy1999

Hugh Cream wrote: »

wayne gets a raw deal, tha carter 2 and 3 are top albums, two in particular is a gem.

wouldnt agree with that hugh, I jumped on the bandwagon a few years ago and bought the carter 3 to see what the hype was and its by far the worst album iv ever bought.

never listened to the carter 2 so i cant say much but i have witnessed the horrible music on his last album possibly one of the worst albums in the history of hip hop to them kind of numbers.

the 2 albums he released in between the carter 3 and 4 were also shocking from a hip hop perspective even though i think one was an attempt at rock n roll.. thank f*ck he hung up the guitar hopefully the mic will follow.

hateful comment yes but there's rappers who get slated even here for a lot less, i think wayne gets away with murder the likes of drake and nicki will keep him relevant for a few more years the joys of having most of your fan base under the age 18.

conor.hogan.2

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Yeah man, i seriously don't understand all the hype about tupac when there is rappers out there who are lyrically better than him and have better flows.

Even rappers who have been around longer than him do not have the sheer quality and quantity of songs along with his other work.

I seriously recommend giving him a second chance.

Lil Wayne is certainly overhyped but overall he is not that bad (granted I have never listened to any of his albums in full and only recently gave him a proper chance) especially when compared to Wale, Big Sean and others mentioned.

jvrk

50cent started great with get rich or die tryin than went down hill with every album after that. Seems only interested in beef and nothing else.

Bobby Baccala

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Even rappers who have been around longer than him do not have the sheer quality and quantity of songs along with his other work.

I seriously recommend giving him a second chance.

Lil Wayne is certainly overhyped but overall he is not that bad (granted I have never listened to any of his albums in full and only recently gave him a proper chance) especially when compared to Wale, Big Sean and others mentioned.

I listened to pac for years and eventually realised what i was missing in not listening to as many other artists and after listening to some of my present favourites like tribe, wu tang, mos def there is no sense in giving him a 2nd chance if I'm happy with the people I listen to today

Mikeyt086

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Birdman

Not going to argue with your opinions where we differ, but I spat Fanta out laughing when I read the word 'Birdman'. In order to be over-rated, you have to be rated in the first place, and all opinions aside Birdman is the worst 'rapper' that I have ever heard. As you might be aware I'm a Weezy fan, therefore I am shuddering every time I see the words 'ft.Birdman...' on a track, which is annoyingly often.

"Blah blah blah, mo money, blah blah blah garbage can, blah blah we on shine, blah blah blah junior is the best."

Up there with the worst to ever spit imo. And this is from a guy who owns a YMCMB t-shirt.

Others in the thread I agree with:

Waka Flocka
Gucci
Rick Ross

Always thought P Diddy had a woeful flow aswell.

Chuck Stone

I don't have a huge amount of knowledge about rip-hap but may I suggest Kanye 'Gayfish' West?

conor.hogan.2

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I don't have a huge amount of knowledge about rip-hap but may I suggest Kanye 'Gayfish' West?

You can suggest it, but not many would agree.

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

I listened to pac for years and eventually realised what i was missing in not listening to as many other artists and after listening to some of my present favourites like tribe, wu tang, mos def there is no sense in giving him a 2nd chance if I'm happy with the people I listen to today

Ok, but wow I think this may be the first time I heard of someone listening to but not like 2pac. He has so many good songs (so many in general) and such a range of topics.

Chuck Stone

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

You can suggest it, but not many would agree.

Okay.

/runs

conor.hogan.2

I was not a fan of him for ages, but after seeing all the production he did and after I heard Stronger I went back and listened to most of his stuff around the time 808 was out and he is a good rapper/writer and a great producer.

mufcboy1999

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I don't have a huge amount of knowledge about rip-hap but may I suggest Kanye 'Gayfish' West?

Gay fish what an episode lol, but I like kanye but I'd have to agree I think he is just a small bit overrated.

I mean fair enough he is a great producer but that doesn't really come in to it if we are talking about over rated rappers IMO.

As a rapper is kanye over rated I'd say yes he doesn't exactly blow you away listing to him, it's more his actions and out spoken personality/ego that gives you the awe factor with kanye rather than his skills on the mic IMO his music is very commercial/pop orientated these days.

As a whole though yes he is very talented. Perfect example of a rapper who has progressed his sound and career you can never accuse kanye of being repetive that's one thing I always admired.

conor.hogan.2

Good points but I like Kanye because of his outspoken nature, but within his music, as in not his rants and all that crap.

"and throw a tantrum like he is three years old, but you gotta love it that someone still speaks from his soul" and just the fact he had a commercial success with a song about Jesus like who does that?

Anyway - possibly the most overrated currently has to be odd future. They are garbage.

Bobby Baccala

I used to really like kanye, i used to have the college dropout when it first came out and i loved it and i still think it's a fairly decent album, at the moment him and jay z are very over rated but if anything when kanye first hit the spotlight he was under rated.

Hugh Cream

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Not going to argue with your opinions where we differ, but I spat Fanta out laughing when I read the word 'Birdman'. In order to be over-rated, you have to be rated in the first place, and all opinions aside Birdman is the worst 'rapper' that I have ever heard. As you might be aware I'm a Weezy fan, therefore I am shuddering every time I see the words 'ft.Birdman...' on a track, which is annoyingly often.

this actually didnt occur to me, birdman is in no way shape or form given any credit for his rapping, he is not hyped up or made out to be a master of the art.
so ye, there fore he is not over rated, because as you said, no one really rates him to begin with.

Hugh Cream

i think watch the throne is over rated.
i do not think jay and kanye are though, i know they are as great as people say they are.

Da Shins Kelly

Kanye is a good rapper, but I don't think he's as good now as he was a few years ago. Also, he's not as good as he thinks he is.

I will never understand why 50 Cent is so popular. Also J. Cole and Drake, I don't think I'm ever going to get them. Current Eminem is bollocks too, in my opinion, although I don't know if his newer stuff is even 'rated' to begin with.

Bobby Baccala

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Kanye is a good rapper, but I don't think he's as good now as he was a few years ago. Also, he's not as good as he thinks he is.

I will never understand why 50 Cent is so popular. Also J. Cole and Drake, I don't think I'm ever going to get them. Current Eminem is bollocks too, in my opinion, although I don't know if his newer stuff is even 'rated' to begin with.

No, people definitely rate eminems new stuff and quite highly aswell, It's just the people who are new to hip hop and are unaware of anything not played on mtv or the radio that think so highly of it but i have to agree with you, his new stuff hasn't got a patch on the likes of the slim shady LP or the eminem show.

Osmosis Jones

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Kanye is a good rapper, but I don't think he's as good now as he was a few years ago. Also, he's not as good as he thinks he is.

I will never understand why 50 Cent is so popular. Also J. Cole and Drake, I don't think I'm ever going to get them. Current Eminem is bollocks too, in my opinion, although I don't know if his newer stuff is even 'rated' to begin with.

Yeah Eminems new stuff isnt the best, to me its getting too mainstream, although some of the songs on Hell: The Sequel like Welcome to Hell and Echo are quite good, it seems to be since he has gotten off drugs he's went a little downhill, still one of the best lyricists around IMO.

Hugh Cream

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

No, people definitely rate eminems new stuff and quite highly aswell, It's just the people who are new to hip hop and are unaware of anything not played on mtv or the radio that think so highly of it but i have to agree with you, his new stuff hasn't got a patch on the likes of the slim shady LP or the eminem show.

that's a crazy opinion, not really sure wat your basing it on.

Bobby Baccala

what are you basing your opinion of my opinion on?

Hugh Cream

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

what are you basing your opinion of my opinion on?

You deliberitily trying to confuse me?

In any case, im still not sure how you can claim something you have absolutely no idea to be true, and state it as a fact.

Bobby Baccala

Hugh Cream wrote: »

You deliberitily trying to confuse me?

In any case, im still not sure how you can claim something you have absolutely no idea to be true, and state it as a fact.

when you can find where i said thats fact I'll agree with you until then stop trying to provoke arguments with me as usual.

Hugh Cream

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

when you can find where i said thats fact I'll agree with you until then stop trying to provoke arguments with me as usual.

stop wingeing, im not trying to provoke an argument, i just stated aloud that you made a crazy statement, which was.

"people definitely rate eminems new stuff and quite highly aswell, It's just the people who are new to hip hop"

to me thats you stating something as if its a fact, unless its an opinion?
but you did word it as if its a fact, which i find crazy.

Bobby Baccala

I'm going to be honest with you, since i joined the hip hop forum you haven't had anything good to say to anything i have written and you literally aren't worth discussing anything with and I don't want to derail this thread as it's actually quite interesting so don't bother replying to this, from now on instead of starting arguments I'm just going to ignore anything you say to me.

Hugh Cream

your lying, ive had one discussion with you where we both had a disagreement.
you made a crazy statement today, and i said so, it wasnt a personal attack so stop treating it as such.

mufcboy1999

Kanye is a good rapper, but I don't think he's as good now as he was a few years ago. Also, he's not as good as he thinks he is.

agreed, like it was said a few posts back its his ego/personality and his actions outside music that have really propelled into mega superstardom for me, as an mc he's very average but that doesnt mean the man doesnt make good music because we all know he does.:)

I will never understand why 50 Cent is so popular.

if you listen to his older stuff from power of the dollar album,mixtapes right up to say 04/05 with the beg for mercy album your opinion might change, ever since then its just been flashes of excellence here and there i.e co producing the documentary, small bit of the massacare, i get money etc but he's struggling these days big time.

Also J. Cole and Drake

on cole, im a big fan but i think the man set the bar so high from his mixtapes the only way was down... cole world is my biggest letdown of 2011 but i reckon he will bounce back with the collab with lamar coming in 2012.

on drake agree 100 per cent, i like a few of his songs but as a rapper he's terrible.. i think he would fall into r'n'b and pop before he would hip hop.

Current Eminem is bollocks too, in my opinion, although I don't know if his newer stuff is even 'rated' to begin with.

disagree here mate, i think em has succesfully progressed in his music through the recovery album his sound totally changed for me which i have to say i enjoyed... we arnt going to get the old em,jay,nas,50 etc etc back so we have to just move on times and circumstances change in their lives and it reflects in there music.

but the marshall mathers lp is still one of my all time fav albums, love it start to finish but em is not capable (mind frame, maturity etc) to make an album like that again nor would he get away with it as much without any gear in him lol (joke).:D

Hugh Cream

anyone said mac miller?
i know nobody has hyped as anything huge but i dont get his appeal, he did top the u.s. charts so he has a big fan base, just not seeing it myself.

craggles

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Anyway - possibly the most overrated currently has to be odd future. They are garbage.

Serious populist bandwagon opinion right there. Some of their stuff is groundbreaking. Well, Tyler anyway.

Seillejet

Professor Green for me. I really hate this Jafaka accent. Your not from the Carribean and your a poor man's Eminem.

I'd like a thread on underrated tbh. Think we could get some real gems there.

Bobby Baccala

Seillejet wrote: »

Professor Green for me. I really hate this Jafaka accent. Your not from the Carribean and your a poor man's Eminem.

I'd like a thread on underrated tbh. Think we could get some real gems there.

start one up there man that'd be interesting:)

conor.hogan.2

craggles wrote: »

Serious populist bandwagon opinion right there. Some of their stuff is groundbreaking. Well, Tyler anyway.

Ye the bandwagon of liking lyrics and/or beats and not being cocky with nothing to back it up.

That bandwagon sadly does not have many people on it.

pragmatic1

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Even rappers who have been around longer than him do not have the sheer quality and quantity of songs along with his other work.

I seriously recommend giving him a second chance.

Lil Wayne is certainly overhyped but overall he is not that bad (granted I have never listened to any of his albums in full and only recently gave him a proper chance) especially when compared to Wale, Big Sean and others mentioned.

2pac has some classic songs but it was quantity over quality with him. His choice of beats was generally horrible, he wasnt the best lyricist and his thug persona gets boring after a while.

conor.hogan.2

pragmatic1 wrote: »

2pac has some classic songs but it was quantity over quality with him. His choice of beats was generally horrible, he wasnt the best lyricist and his thug persona gets boring after a while.

I think 10 platinum albums would beg to differ on that and he was not even that highly recognized when compared to other rappers.

His choice of beats was ok, but once Dre left who could he really get for beats? A good rapper should stand up without good beats imo.

He was not always "thug" (and if you knew about thug life - you would know it was a persona and it had a real message).

He is hardly rick ross or 50 cent who mostly talk about drugs, women, money etc with the odd serious or emotional or inspirational song whereas tupac had lots of songs that covered many angles.

Dopefiends diner is not "thug" and that is a great beat. Which AFAIK is not on any of his 10 platinum albums which were all recorded within 6 years.

Bobby Baccala

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

I think 10 platinum albums would beg to differ on that and he was not even that highly recognized when compared to other rappers.

His choice of beats was ok, but once Dre left who could he really get for beats? A good rapper should stand up without good beats imo.

He was not always "thug" (and if you knew about thug life - you would know it was a persona and it had a real message).

He is hardly rick ross or 50 cent who mostly talk about drugs, women, money etc with the odd serious or emotional or inspirational song whereas tupac had lots of songs that covered many angles.

Dopefiends diner is not "thug" and that is a great beat. Which AFAIK is not on any of his 10 platinum albums which were all recorded within 6 years.

I always loved the instrumental to bury me a G but i later found out it was just a song he had rapped over, still a good tune though

DarkJager

pragmatic1 wrote: »

2pac has some classic songs but it was quantity over quality with him. His choice of beats was generally horrible, he wasnt the best lyricist and his thug persona gets boring after a while.

He had some of the best beats of his time. I ain't mad atcha, to live and die in la, California love, keep ya head up, temptations, I get around...the list goes on and on. His lyricism was perfect for what he wanted to say and his delivery was always perfect in weight and flow.

The thug image is only one small part of 2Pac. His other tracks like brendas got a baby, dear mama, part time mother are completely distanced from the thug persona. To be honest he's one of the few rappers that kept things interesting and always took a different stance in his tracks. And finally, if you've never experienced a smoked out Sunday morning listening to 2pac then you really haven't experienced him at all

conor.hogan.2

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

I always loved the instrumental to bury me a G but i later found out it was just a song he had rapped over, still a good tune though

Well do you expect him to be a producer on top of 10 platinum albums and a few successful films?

Also several of his album are like double albums and some could even be nearly 3 times as long as some today.

pragmatic1

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

I think 10 platinum albums would beg to differ on that and he was not even that highly recognized when compared to other rappers.

His choice of beats was ok, but once Dre left who could he really get for beats? A good rapper should stand up without good beats imo.

He was not always "thug" (and if you knew about thug life - you would know it was a persona and it had a real message).

He is hardly rick ross or 50 cent who mostly talk about drugs, women, money etc with the odd serious or emotional or inspirational song whereas tupac had lots of songs that covered many angles.

Dopefiends diner is not "thug" and that is a great beat. Which AFAIK is not on any of his 10 platinum albums which were all recorded within 6 years.

Album sales doesnt mean that someones music is good e.g. Westlife.

Personally I'd rather listen to an average MC on a beat I like rather than an skilled MC on a horrible beat. One of the reasons why I think the takeover is superior to ether.

I've been listening to 2pac since I was 17. I know the range of subject matter he has. He was a good rapper but most of his fame is because he was killed. Hes easily the most overrated rapper of all time.

Bobby Baccala

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Well do you expect him to be a producer on top of 10 platinum albums and a few successful films?

No man, he was one of the hardest working rappers to live I'll give him that.