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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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    #4562
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    Your still bringing up irrelevant income tax?

    In order to argue reasonably about the unfairness of one particular tax you need to convincingly distinguish it from other types of taxation.


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    #4563
    barrackali
    Registered Users Posts: 425 ✭✭barrackali


    This tax is coming in one way or another, the gov need the money and are obliged to bring it in. Property taxes will make people think twice about speculating on property. I don't just blame the bankers for this mess, I also blame the idiots who thought they could borrow small fortunes to become landlords. I would bet my house on this coming in.


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    #4564
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    dvpower wrote: »
    Not sure that they're using the boards.ie poll as their key metric.;)

    No but I would trust the poll above more so than any other poll.


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    #4565
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,497 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    alastair wrote: »
    It's unjust because you don't like it or what?

    I'm pretty sure my home is not a castle. The lack of a drawbridge for starters.

    I consider this Law to be unjust. Here's a quote from a man who gave his life to oppose unjust laws.

    One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.
    Martin Luther King, Jr.
    The other part of your post deserves to be ignored.


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    #4566
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Similar usernames with similar views..........

    Do you believe in non-violent resistance?


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    #4567
    grindle
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    drkpower wrote: »
    In order to argue reasonably about the unfairness of one particular tax you need to convincingly distinguish it from other types of taxation.
    We were already paying taxes. VAT, PAYE...?
    These managed up until now. Or are we expecting incredible upgrade of public services for this tax, because they haven't announced much?
    The idea is, a service is announced, you pay for it.
    This is just "We're bankrupt, owe money, gimme money."

    The money the idiots in this country owe has nothing to do with me, I'm debt-free, apart from this governmental albatross looming over me. Therefore, unfair.

    Or do you think any tax brought to fruition is a just tax?


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    #4568
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    drkpower wrote: »
    In order to argue reasonably about the unfairness of one particular tax you need to convincingly distinguish it from other types of taxation.

    and now your repeating your rubbish?? Are you truly that desperate?? Stop digging


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    #4569
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    drkpower wrote: »
    Do you believe in non-violent resistance?

    My signature should answer your question.;)


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    #4570
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    and now your repeating your rubbish?? Are you truly that desperate?? Stop digging

    Can you convincingly distinguish it from other types of taxation?


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    #4571
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    grindle wrote: »
    We were already paying taxes. VAT, PAYE...?
    These managed up until now.

    Hmmm; I wonder whether the situation that presents itself now might be relevant.....
    grindle wrote: »
    The money the idiots in this country owe has nothing to do with me, I'm debt-free, apart from this governmental albatross looming over me. Therefore, unfair.

    If you are debt free, it would be the height of fairness that you pay a little bit more. Go fairness.


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    #4572
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,497 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    drkpower wrote: »
    I wont pay income tax because my job/income does not cause damage. Sorted.

    But the shower of cnuts you pay it to have done untold damage. Boom boom.


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    #4573
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    No but I would trust the poll above more so than any other poll.

    Why do you trust the boards.ie poll above the recent Red C poll?


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    #4574
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    drkpower wrote: »
    Can you convincingly distinguish it from other types of taxation?

    I dont even know why im wasting my time replying to you. Do you actually realise what your asking here???

    Its different in so many ways someone else can reply with more cause im not arsed, here is one anyway its a blanket charge you have to pay no matter what, if your getting no income you still have to pay name another tax like this????


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    #4575
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    tayto lover wrote: »
    But the shower of cnuts you pay it to have done untold damage. Boom boom.

    So we should boycott all taxation? Is that the logical extension of your position?


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    #4576
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,497 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    drkpower wrote: »
    Taxation is unfair. There's a new concept.

    Can i get a rebate for all of the taxes that I have paid that I reasonably consider unfair?

    If you consider it fair then you pay.
    I don't so i will not pay. Simple.
    I pay all the other taxes as I think they are fair - won't pay this one.


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    #4577
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Funny how the naysayers never give out about their elected representatives passing this law in the Dail. What I see is disrespect for our elected parliament by refusing to obey the law of the land.
    We'll be the laughing stock of Europe and be known as a nation of lawbreaking bandits if that many refuse to pay their fair share.


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    #4578
    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Do the government paint your property once a year ?

    Do the government call in and cut your lawn every now and again ?

    Do the government collect your rubbish for you ?

    Do the government provide your internet, electricity and heating for you ?

    NO


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    #4579
    grindle
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    drkpower wrote: »
    If you are debt free, it would be the height of fairness that you pay a little bit more. Go fairness.
    Ah, do you... understand... fairness? I didn't gorge myself on credit until my world collapsed into a pit of shít, therefore I should have to pay for other people's stupidity?

    I suppose you serve prison sentences on behalf of others while you're at it, do you?


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    #4580
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    drkpower wrote: »
    So we should boycott all taxation? Is that the logical extension of your position?

    tayto is this guy for real????? were is the ignore button ha


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    #4581
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    Its different in so many ways someone else can reply with more cause im not arsed, here is one anyway its a blanket charge you have to pay no matter what, if your getting no income you still have to pay name another tax like this????

    There are exemptions for those on low/no incomes.
    Just like water charges, waste charges.
    Car tax is payable if you have no income.
    A dog licence is payable if you have no income.

    You still havent distinguished it. Keep trying though (if your arsed).


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    #4582
    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    gurramok wrote: »
    Funny how the naysayers never give out about their elected representatives passing this law in the Dail. What I see is disrespect for our elected parliament by refusing to obey the law of the land.
    We'll be the laughing stock of Europe and be known as a nation of lawbreaking bandits if that many refuse to pay their fair share.

    We already are the laughing stock of Europe..



    I'm surprised Vaseline haven't opened a plant here, What with all those willing to bend over...


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    #4583
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    grindle wrote: »
    Ah, do you... understand... fairness? I didn't gorge myself on credit until my world collapsed into a pit of shít, therefore I should have to pay for other people's stupidity?

    I worked hard while many couldnt be arsed. Why should I pay more income tax then them?

    You are debt free. Those who can be, should pay, right?. That sounds fair.


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    #4584
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    dvpower wrote: »
    Why do you trust the boards.ie poll above the recent Red C poll?

    Because they dont tally up with many other polls I have come across and I dont think they are as independant as you might think


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    #4585
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    tayto lover wrote: »
    If you consider it fair then you pay.
    I don't so i will not pay. Simple.
    I pay all the other taxes as I think they are fair - won't pay this one.
    I dont consider the amount of income tax I pay to be fair. Should I be entitled not to pay it? Simple?


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    #4586
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    drkpower wrote: »
    There are exemptions for those on low/no incomes.
    Just like water charges, waste charges.
    Car tax is payable if you have no income.
    A dog licence is payable if you have no income.

    You still havent distinguished it. Keep trying though (if your arsed).

    Use less water, reduce your waste.
    Sell your car/take it off the road.
    Get rid of dog.

    Can do all above if find myself out of work.


    What am I supposed to do with my household charge though?
    Live in the house less to reduce the charge?


    Wakey wakey Drkpower......


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    #4587
    drkpower
    Registered Users Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Use less water, reduce your waste.
    Sell your car/take it off the road.
    Get rid of dog.

    Can do all above if find myself out of work.


    What am I supposed to do with my household charge though?
    Live in the house less to reduce the charge?
    Sell your house.


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    #4588
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Ghandee wrote: »
    BishopDonal/Donalg
    Dvpower/Drkpower

    Similar usernames with similar views.........


    All very coincidental of course.

    Sill, what are the chances.........

    You would want to be seriously f**ked in the head to want to have 2 usernames on boards.ie to argue the same point, especially on this subject.
    That would be bordering on insanity.


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    #4589
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,497 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    tayto is this guy for real????? were is the ignore button ha

    That lad has a career in the entertainment industry ahead of him
    I am enjoying this thread though. Good craic. I really believe some of these lads are getting paid for trying to convince people to pay this unjust tax. They should give the money back as the gap is widening everyday..


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    #4590
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Mr CJ wrote: »
    Because they dont tally up with many other polls I have come across and I dont think they are as independant as you might think
    You think the Red C poll is fixed or biased in some way?


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    #4591
    Mr CJ
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭Mr CJ


    gurramok wrote: »
    Funny how the naysayers never give out about their elected representatives passing this law in the Dail. What I see is disrespect for our elected parliament by refusing to obey the law of the land.
    We'll be the laughing stock of Europe and be known as a nation of lawbreaking bandits if that many refuse to pay their fair share.

    No your wrong there more like well fairplay to them their standing up for whats right at least there not mindless twits obeying there masters every order


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