Another bloody roundabout...

Al Capwned

OK - was in town for first time in a while today, and there's another bloody roundabout at junction of barrack street and kennedy avenue (thompson's corner??)

Did the town planners get a shiny new compass or what?

foggy_lad

alproctor wrote: »

OK - was in town for first time in a while today, and there's another bloody roundabout at junction of barrack street and kennedy avenue (thompson's corner??)

Did the town planners get a shiny new compass or what?

That's been in the pipeline for months. Did you not see the markings on the ground the last 4-5months. About time they sorted out that nasty junction!

BO-JANGLES

What is it with Carlow roundabouts and drivers not using their indicators?

TheZohanS

BO-JANGLES wrote: »

What is it with Carlow roundabouts and drivers not using their indicators?

It's not a problem that's unique to Carlow to be fair.

racso1975

TheZohan wrote: »

It's not a problem that's unique to Carlow to be fair.

The indicators may not be unique to Carlow but the complete inability to use a roundabout one outside of the town is. That roundabout in Bagenalstown is comical, people stop and it is like a game of chicken to see who goes first, and there is one in Fenagh that is going to end in a serious crash.

People coming through the village just plough through and dont even slow down to see if anything is coming from myshall way and if you are coming from myshall you have a complete blind spot to people coming into the village.

Saw a crash yesterday in Ballon at the roundabout also.

testicle

The mini roundabout in Graigue by The Grid is lethal too if you're coming from the Postal Sorting Office direction. No one going towards Dunnes ever slows down.

jay gatsby

The one at the Barrack st. entrance to fairgreen is a dangerous hoor too. Nearly came a cropper there a few times.

patrickc

foggy_lad wrote: »

That's been in the pipeline for months. Did you not see the markings on the ground the last 4-5months. About time they sorted out that nasty junction!

theres no roundabout markings as such, it's a load of red and white barriers in a circle for the roundabout.

this is not sorting it out, i can see buses going into the coach park finding it tight, and people didnt know whether to come or go at it today, bring back the lights.

Git101

patrickc wrote: »

and people didnt know whether to come or go at it today, bring back the lights.

If fairness if people don't know whether to come or go at a roundabout they shouldn't be allowed to drive.

Schism

Talking about roundabouts, the one they put in on the Kilkenny Rd just past the college is lethal. People don't seem to realise it's a roundabout. I've nearly been ploughed into on three or more occasions by cars steaming through.

Each time I've seen the car coming and let them on whereas normally I'd be halfway around. It's only a matter of time until someones not paying attention and there's a crash.

hadepsx

ye theres a fierce lot of work being done by the council these past few weeks, mostly in hast as they have to use up their 2011 funds,and as such not much thought has gone into the work. its stupid that they cant bring any remaning funds forward into new year.

slimjimmc

Schism wrote: »

Talking about roundabouts, the one they put in on the Kilkenny Rd just past the college is lethal. People don't seem to realise it's a roundabout. I've nearly been ploughed into on three or more occasions by cars steaming through.

Each time I've seen the car coming and let them on whereas normally I'd be halfway around. It's only a matter of time until someones not paying attention and there's a crash.

All approaches to the roundabout have the usual big yellow signs warning them of its existence but of course many people don't tend to heed road signs. Poor driving is the main problem imo, but I agree perhaps some measures could be taken to make it more prominent.

foggy_lad

Schism wrote: »

Talking about roundabouts, the one they put in on the Kilkenny Rd just past the college is lethal. People don't seem to realise it's a roundabout. I've nearly been ploughed into on three or more occasions by cars steaming through.

Each time I've seen the car coming and let them on whereas normally I'd be halfway around. It's only a matter of time until someones not paying attention and there's a crash.

If people were to drive a little slower and be more courteous and pay proper attention to other road users and allow for those who may find roundabouts confusing or who may not know the area they would be a lot less stressed at the end of their journeys:)

foggy_lad

patrickc wrote: »

theres no roundabout markings as such, it's a load of red and white barriers in a circle for the roundabout.

this is not sorting it out, i can see buses going into the coach park finding it tight, and people didnt know whether to come or go at it today, bring back the lights.

The markings I referred to were the spray-can markings showing the layout of the new roundabout, these were clearly visible on the road and footpaths around the junction for a few months, also i wouldn't think the roundabout will be left as it is with the temporary plastic barriers unless the council go broke over the Christmas.

One thing I have noticed is the awful new bus shelter which is wide open to the elements and will seat about 3 people and shelter about 5 from light showers if there is no wind. the old shelter is a bit ugly but could have been tarted up a bit as it does provide good shelter even in driving rain for the many people who wait at this stop. regularly there are more than 20 waiting for buses here and leaving them out in the rain is just typical of Carlow town council!

lucylu

Pity they would not resurface the road along where St Leo's and Court Place instead of another new roundabout. That stretch of road is a disgrace for a few years.

Also is Carlow Town now Irelands Roundabout Capital.?

donalg1

lucylu wrote: »

Pity they would not resurface the road along where St Leo's and Court Place instead of another new roundabout. That stretch of road is a disgrace for a few years.

Also is Carlow Town now Irelands Roundabout Capital.?

Think so I have never seen so many roundabouts in one place its just crazy they even have roundabouts onto roundabouts.

Owryan

I think they were just at a loss at what to do with that junction in fairness. The roundabout at the college is an accident waiting to happen, I tend to be overly cautious approching it.

What ya think of the new cycle lanes lol ? Esp the stretch between aldi and the lights at macgahmna road. People litterally driving on the wrong side of the road to stay out of it .

Surely the worst road surface is the stretch to graigue (the old one) bridge ?

lucylu

I get 26 so far anything that has a roundpainted circle on the road is also considered a roundabout

1.dolmen ( Supervalu)
2.Browneshill (The presentation Askea)
3.Lidl
4.Iceland
5.Eire Og
6.Burrin River
7.KFC
8.Roundabout behind Fire Station
9.Roundabout beside Railway Bridge Fairgreen
10.Fairgreen
11Credit Union
12Closh Stores
13 MSD (Is this considered Carlow town?)
14 Castleoaks
15 Lapple
16 Braun
17Athy Road
18 Dooley Motors
19 Talbot Hotel
20 Portlaoise Road
21 Killeshin Road
22 Granby road a
23 Granby road b
24 Quinnagh Road
25 Abrakebabra
26 Carlow IT
Is there another one on the Dublin Road near Sheedy Motors?

Edit ... no 26 added!

nagero

27. Junction of Old Dublin Road and Station/Railway Road.
did you include the one this thread is about?

Owryan

Roundabouts at next/new look and into tesco car park, dont see them on the list

PseudoFamous

We have five roundabouts in a housing estate with 110 houses here in Arklow, we win.

lucylu

Owryan wrote: »

Roundabouts at next/new look and into tesco car park, dont see them on the list

number 10! Oh wait you are right there is another one!

We are on 28!

lucylu

Carlows Roundabouts ....

1 dolmen ( Supervalu)
2.Browneshill (The presentation Askea)
3.Lidl
4.Iceland
5.Eire Og
6.Burrin River
7.KFC
8.Roundabout behind Fire Station
9.Roundabout beside Railway Bridge Fairgreen
10.Fairgreen (Champion Sports)
11Credit Union
12Closh Stores
13 MSD (Is this considered Carlow town?)
14 Castleoaks
15 Lapple
16 Braun
17Athy Road
18 Dooley Motors
19 Talbot Hotel
20 Portlaoise Road
21 Killeshin Road
22 Granby road a
23 Granby road b
24 Quinnagh Road
25 Abrakebabra
26 Carlow IT
27 Old Dublin Road
28 Fairgreen (New Look)

pholland

the one by the presentation on the hacketstown road as well i cant see a roundabout at iceland

Super-Rush

I think its great. Got through the junction in about 10 seconds.

It will be a bit thight for the buses, but other than that i don't see the problem with it.

foggy_lad

El Pistolero wrote: »

I think its great. Got through the junction in about 10 seconds.

It will be a bit thight for the buses, but other than that i don't see the problem with it.

It's a bit tight at the moment but it's not finished yet! when finished it should free up that whole junction especially at rush-hour.

Owryan

Came tru it tonight , people still waiting at the crossing and chancing their arm getting acrosss. Anyone know if they plan to leave the pedestrian crossing s where the are or move them ?

Pers I think the idea of having crossing at roundabouts dangerous

bogof

Its lethal for pedestrians there at the moment ,especially at night. I can tell you all right now before they finalise the thing it will be a disaster . The lights for the three crossing places will cause havoc. I think there's room for another roundabout at the junction of Charlotte street and Tullow street

slimjimmc

bogof wrote: »

Its lethal for pedestrians there at the moment ,especially at night. I can tell you all right now before they finalise the thing it will be a disaster . The lights for the three crossing places will cause havoc. I think there's room for another roundabout at the junction of Charlotte street and Tullow street

I'll assume that's a stab at humour , both streets are 1-way with no entry onto Tullow St from Charlotte St.

Owryan

Auld wan in yaris drove straight into the new roundabout on barrack st today , bout 10.30. Dont think she realised it was one until it was too late .

bogof

I just found three more roundabouts. On the new road up the Barrow Track at junction of Cox's Lane and at the old Laundry . There's another on the Green road at the recycling centre/Bullock Park.

TheZohanS

Small one by Doyles of the Shamrock and has anyone counted the one beside the An Post depot and the one beside the go-carting?

Owryan

TheZohan wrote: »

Small one by Doyles of the Shamrock and has anyone counted the one beside the An Post depot and the one beside the go-carting?

that would depend on whether you would see graigue as laois or carlow lol

foggy_lad

Owryan wrote: »

Auld wan in yaris drove straight into the new roundabout on barrack st today , bout 10.30. Dont think she realised it was one until it was too late .

Pedestrians are always at risk from motorists but when the roundabout is finished it will be impossible to use the defence of "I didn't see it" like people are trying to do with the one out at the IT. The only time you won't see it is when you are not driving in accordance with the rules of the road and road traffic act, driving too fast or not paying attention putting on make up or texting the missus etc etc. Also some people are just too old or infirm to be driving and should be taken off the road by their relatives before they kill someone or maybe take out a whole family.

Owryan

I was right behind her, she was indicating to turn right, ie up towards pennys.

I was waiting for her to manouver to take the 3rd exit, instead she just drove into the traffic cones, panicked and stalled. As I drove past her husband (i assume) looked like he was giving her a right earful.

dublincelt

TheZohan wrote: »

It's not a problem that's unique to Carlow to be fair.

Having lived here for the past 4 years and being lucky enough to have a job (Tech Sales Rep) and clocking at least 4500K a month, trust me, a large number of Carlovians are are either just plain lazy or complete idiots when they navigate a roundabout

royston_vasey

I would echo what has been said by dublincelt and foggy_lad. I drive about 75k/year - at home and abroad - and the standard of driving on Irish roads is atrocious. The really frightening aspect of it though is that a lot of these people are ignorant to their short-comings.

Instead of increasing road tax etc., Phil Hogan should actually employ road traffic gardai to issue on-the-spot fines would be a greater revenue source and would make the roads a much safer place than the lottery they currently are.

Nothingbetter2d

there is 1 roundabout at bullock park

sleaty road

portlaoise road

castlecomer road

slimjimmc

dublincelt wrote: »

Having lived here for the past 4 years and being lucky enough to have a job (Tech Sales Rep) and clocking at least 4500K a month, trust me, a large number of Carlovians are are either just plain lazy or complete idiots when they navigate a roundabout

Like yourself and myself, a large number of Carlovians are not Carlovians which is why I prefer to say that a large number of motorists are either just plain lazy or complete idiots when they navigate a roundabout.

maccored

just what is a carlovian anyway? you could be living here 20 years and still be a blowin. And thats not a bad thing in my book, since im a tyronian.

I am obviously in the minority, but i like that roundabout. it beats the pure crap out of the lights that were there ... i just hope it isnt only a christmas thing.

Bagenal

Owryan wrote: »

Came tru it tonight , people still waiting at the crossing and chancing their arm getting acrosss. Anyone know if they plan to leave the pedestrian crossing s where the are or move them ?

Pers I think the idea of having crossing at roundabouts dangerous

Totally agree with you there.

foggy_lad

Bagenal wrote: »

Totally agree with you there.

Where else are people going to cross the road? if the crossings are put down at Carpenters and outside the Superquinn entrance people are still going to cross even more dangerously at the roundabout!

The problem is not the pedestrians but impatient, ignorant, rude, aggressive motorists who think they have a God given right of way on the roads. Just remember how much jail time you might get and how high your insurance will jump if you hit a child at Thompson's corner just because you had the right of way!

Owryan

Nothing against people crossimg, I just think having a pedestrian crossing at the entrance/exit to a roundabout is just asking for trouble.
If a number of people start crossing at the same time then the whole junction can become blocked v quickly.

As for barrack st there is a crossing at shamrock sq

foggy_lad

Owryan wrote: »

Nothing against people crossimg, I just think having a pedestrian crossing at the entrance/exit to a roundabout is just asking for trouble.
If a number of people start crossing at the same time then the whole junction can become blocked v quickly.

As for barrack st there is a crossing at shamrock sq

What is the only thing drivers are required to do at a roundabout? Yield! They must Yield right of way to those on the roundabout and also to pedestrians.

Owryan

Maybe pedestrians.......dont jay walk , im only driving a year but one thing that scares me is the number of people who just decide "ah sure I ll cross here" and try walk through traffic often with kids in tow. I know all moterists are evil but if someone doesnt want to use a proper crossing maybe they deserve to be run over.

Anyway the problem with barrack st now is the only safe place to cross is shamrock sq but most people still want to cross at the bus park or carpenters. The road layout with a set of lights and 2 roundabouts in such a short stretch of road doesnt leave much room for a second crossing .

I prefer the roundabout to the lights that were there before . Hopefully once the road works are completed then things will settle down .

foggy_lad

Owryan wrote: »

Maybe pedestrians.......dont jay walk , im only driving a year but one thing that scares me is the number of people who just decide "ah sure I ll cross here" and try walk through traffic often with kids in tow. I know all moterists are evil but if someone doesnt want to use a proper crossing maybe they deserve to be run over.

Anyway the problem with barrack st now is the only safe place to cross is shamrock sq but most people still want to cross at the bus park or carpenters. The road layout with a set of lights and 2 roundabouts in such a short stretch of road doesnt leave much room for a second crossing .

I prefer the roundabout to the lights that were there before . Hopefully once the road works are completed then things will settle down .

The crossings at the roundabout are proper pedestrian crossings with flashing amber lights to warn motorists, Maybe you should not be driving without supervision from a qualified driver? or maybe you should be banned from driving if you believe people deserve to be run over?

Owryan

foggy_lad wrote: »

Owryan wrote: »

Maybe pedestrians.......dont jay walk , im only driving a year but one thing that scares me is the number of people who just decide "ah sure I ll cross here" and try walk through traffic often with kids in tow. I know all moterists are evil but if someone doesnt want to use a proper crossing maybe they deserve to be run over.

Anyway the problem with barrack st now is the only safe place to cross is shamrock sq but most people still want to cross at the bus park or carpenters. The road layout with a set of lights and 2 roundabouts in such a short stretch of road doesnt leave much room for a second crossing .

I prefer the roundabout to the lights that were there before . Hopefully once the road works are completed then things will settle down .

The crossings at the roundabout are proper pedestrian crossings with flashing amber lights to warn motorists, Maybe you should not be driving without supervision from a qualified driver? or maybe you should be banned from driving if you believe people deserve to be run over?

Think you took me wrong there. I was refering to people just walking out into the road not the crossing at the bus park .

foggy_lad

Owryan wrote: »

Think you took me wrong there. I was refering to people just walking out into the road not the crossing at the bus park .

I have been discussing the roundabout at the bus park and the new crossings associated with it, to say they are dangerous or a nuisance is only because they might slightly inconvenience drivers who do not have right of way at the roundabout anyway!

If a driver is any good at all he/she will be able to adjust their speed and position approaching roundabouts like this one so they negotiate them safely and without any need to swerve wildly or brake severely because if either action is required it is surely a sign the driver has serious vehicle control issues and needs retraining.

Owryan

Without a doubt there are plenty of bad drivers out there. Go for a spin anywhwere and you ll see them . Only yesterday a kavanaghs bus overtook me on the 60kph stretch at the dolmen hotel, easily doing 80+ on the wrong side of the road. There are also plenty of safe drivers out there too.

Regarding the roundabout in question, hopefully once people get used to it things will settle down.

Its just my opinion that having pedestrian crossings at the entrance/exit of roundabouts in general is a bad idea. I ve seen people just start to walk straight across with even bothering to see if the road is safe to do so.

Both drivers and pedestrians need to be aware of each other and be careful.

Speaking of pedestrians being mowed down, a cyclist ploughed an old man out of it near the credit union last night by cycling on the footpath. Even they aren't safe it seems.

foggy_lad

Owryan wrote: »

Without a doubt there are plenty of bad drivers out there. Go for a spin anywhwere and you ll see them . Only yesterday a kavanaghs bus overtook me on the 60kph stretch at the dolmen hotel, easily doing 80+ on the wrong side of the road. There are also plenty of safe drivers out there too.

Regarding the roundabout in question, hopefully once people get used to it things will settle down.

Its just my opinion that having pedestrian crossings at the entrance/exit of roundabouts in general is a bad idea. I ve seen people just start to walk straight across with even bothering to see if the road is safe to do so.

Both drivers and pedestrians need to be aware of each other and be careful.

Speaking of pedestrians being mowed down, a cyclist ploughed an old man out of it near the credit union last night by cycling on the footpath. Even they aren't safe it seems.

I would rather be overtaken by the kavanagh's driver at any speed than some young know-it-all who failed the theory test but still driving the car daddy bought them showing off to their friends.

Owryan

Dont get you there at all . A bus driver, speeding on the wrong side of the road , on a stretch of road thats claimed several lives doesnt bother you ? Ffs