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Cork selfbuild wrote: »
Just annoyed I didn't have my camera to get some shots of the mounties!
would they have been classed as a "vehicle"
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I wonder do the procurement office even test these vehicles for suitability or just look at the bottom line budget?
Remember 'Tyregate' - going off on jollys to secure a contract
Bet they're all locked in a dark room now with spec sheets and prices and not let out until a 'decision' has been made, no such thing as sending a trial car around the districts and getting drivers (prisoners:D ) comments
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Remember 'Tyregate' - going off on jollys to secure a contract
Bet they're all locked in a dark room now with spec sheets and prices and not let out until a 'decision' has been made, no such thing as sending a trial car around the districts and getting drivers (prisoners:D ) comments
In the US there are Manufacturer special spec cars to ensure they are up for the job - I know different scale of purchasing, but at least they test and spec the cars and the manufacturers put their best wares forward...CharlieCroker wrote: »Particular Cars are bought for one reason only:
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The phrase - Pay peanuts and get monkeys come to mind - cars that are simply not up to task, get tired too easily and end up costing more in the long run... Not knocking the i30 mentioned earlier but I would have questions about the performance and handling of this car... maybe because I have not driven one or know alot about the i30...
Why not open a tender for a proper Garda Spec patrol cars to the manufactures / fit out companies to ensure they get the best possible return on investment?0 -
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Cork selfbuild wrote: »Totally agree but based on the way it seems to be going, cheapest supplier = contract... But the problem seems to lie in the assessment process or there lack of! There is a way more to a car than the price, next we'll see Dacia's entering (not knocking them either just in my head as cheap!)
If there was a suitable assessment done and say 2 or so approved vehicles per segment, surely wouldn't this result in a much tighter efficient better run fleet?
X amount of different cars are supplied for assessment. The assessment takes place, then is completely ignored and the lowest cost car is picked by whoever makes the call. Simples
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X amount of different cars are supplied for assessment. The assessment takes place, then is completely ignored and the lowest cost car is picked by whoever makes the call. Simples
That seems to be part of Irish official culture - you do the assessment simply to show that the assessment was actually done - rather then as a genuine aid to making the right decision.
Its a bit like when you have consultation on various things - you give your viewpoint - but the decision maker just ignores it - but hey - you had the "opportunity" to have your say - so the consultation box is ticked 0 -
DesertCreat_15 wrote: »Vauxhall/Opel do police spec cars, PSNI have went for Insignia! Can't imagine Opel would be overly expensive, they are reasonably reliable too !
http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/fleet/special-vehicles/emergency-vehicles.html
Interesting, also Ford have a similar division
http://www.ford.co.uk/FordFleet/SalesSupport/FleetPurchaseSupport/SpecialistFleetOld diesel wrote: »That seems to be part of Irish official culture - you do the assessment simply to show that the assessment was actually done - rather then as a genuine aid to making the right decision.
Its a bit like when you have consultation on various things - you give your viewpoint - but the decision maker just ignores it - but hey - you had the "opportunity" to have your say - so the consultation box is ticked
Seems to almost be a mandate of Government to take this approach... :rolleyes:0 -
SOMEBODY, in SOME DEPARTMENT, hasn't a clue as to what's needed in the field :mad: That's the first reaction
But maybe that 'somebody' is looking at another set of statistics - the amount of vehicles written off by untrained (?) drivers (what is the level of driver training nowadays, have all the 'Chief's permission' drivers been upskilled
) There's a lot of crash pics on this forum, and some are very new vehicles. I'm reminded about a conversation with a m/cycle member when I remarked that MAYBE he should move his unit to a safer place "Not my bike if anyone hits it, I'll just get another one from the Depot " :rolleyes:
A friend of mine was Quartermaster in the Army, told me he was reluctant to give out new equipment as some eejit might be let use it by a Sergeant instead of working it down the experience level until the eejits got the 'crashable' junk.
Most companies do Police spec vehicles http://www.ford.com/fordpoliceinterceptor/interceptorsonduty/ but the Irish civil service bean counter mentality might be -
'A new Police Insignia (fully wired up) costs €15k, but a civilian one costs €13 and sure the lads in the Garage are doing nothing so we'll get them to throw in a few wires (mind the airbag /ABS ...sensors there lads :rolleyes: ), and sure if we don't cost the manhours spent wiring it up (€5k) then it'll look cheaper on paper :P:P !!'0 -
SOMEBODY, in SOME DEPARTMENT, hasn't a clue as to what's needed in the field :mad: That's the first reaction
But maybe that 'somebody' is looking at another set of statistics - the amount of vehicles written off by untrained (?) drivers (what is the level of driver training nowadays, have all the 'Chief's permission' drivers been upskilled ) There's a lot of crash pics on this forum, and some are very new vehicles. I'm reminded about a conversation with a m/cycle member when I remarked that MAYBE he should move his unit to a safer place "Not my bike if anyone hits it, I'll just get another one from the Depot " :rolleyes:
A friend of mine was Quartermaster in the Army, told me he was reluctant to give out new equipment as some eejit might be let use it by a Sergeant instead of working it down the experience level until the eejits got the 'crashable' junk.
Most companies do Police spec vehicles http://www.ford.com/fordpoliceinterceptor/interceptorsonduty/ but the Irish civil service bean counter mentality might be -
'A new Police Insignia (fully wired up) costs €15k, but a civilian one costs €13 and sure the lads in the Garage are doing nothing so we'll get them to throw in a few wires (mind the airbag /ABS ...sensors there lads :rolleyes: ), and sure if we don't cost the manhours spent wiring it up (€5k) then it'll look cheaper on paper :P:P !!'
The driver training one is interesting - one would take the view that if your serious about Traffic corps for the future - all those should be trained up in proper driving - if not done so already.
But regarding driver training in general - do you actually think an untrained driver is safer in an i30 1.7 diesel - when compared to (for example) a 140 ps 2.0 TDI Passat???*.
If TOO many cars are been written off (I stress the word IF) - how much of that is down to the car been too powerful.
And is the answer not to buy Hyundais that aren't up to the job - but to identify what causes accidents - and address any training shortfalls identified
You could even argue that a car with excellent roadholding and brakes etc - is less likely to be written off (generally) then a car with inferior brakes.
Are we saying that a Skoda Superb 4 x 4 140 tdi is a more dangerous car to handle for an untrained driver then a 2wd Hyundai - given that (in theory) the 4 wheel drive on the Skoda should enhance the roadholding.
*The Passat is the sort of car Joe soap may go out and purchase as a normal private car and drive it0 -
But maybe that 'somebody' is looking at another set of statistics - the amount of vehicles written off by untrained (?) drivers (what is the level of driver training nowadays, have all the 'Chief's permission' drivers been upskilled ) There's a lot of crash pics on this forum, and some are very new vehicles. I'm reminded about a conversation with a m/cycle member when I remarked that MAYBE he should move his unit to a safer place "Not my bike if anyone hits it, I'll just get another one from the Depot " :rolleyes:
Well I'm on chief the last few years and haven't had as much as a near miss so I think your comment is a bit unfair.
Sometimes cars will get damaged because of driver error but others are the victims of other drivers and deliberate acts. What happens the car after purchase should not be a deciding factor in purchasing. It should be member safety, appropriateness for the role and performance.
Do we have a place for i30's? Yes. Is it for frontline responders? No.
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