Unstable surface training

Banks

Im looking for articles/blog post etc from reputable sources on unstable surface training in general but if it relates to golf that would be even better.

Hanley

Eric Cressey is probably the obvious starting point. I believe his position is that outside of a rehab setting, UST is useless for lower body training, but is useful for all purposes for upper body.

Makes quite a bit of sense too when you think about it.

I'm curious as to how you think it would be good for golf tho...?

Banks

Yeah I seen Cresseys article, its 30$ and I'm not paying that!!

No I think its one of the worst ways to train golfers, thats why I want some hard evidence on it. I work with a couple of golfers, on thursday one of my clients golf coach was doing some coaching with other golfers. He had the golfer on 2 wobble cushions performing med ball throws, then full swings. After that he got the athlete to take off their shoes and balance on a foam roller while attempting to take swings!!

I was that baffled I asked my clients does he use those exercises with them, and he does!! Meeting with him during the week and want to explain to him what he's doing while showing him evidence for relevant experts!!

Hanley

Banks wrote: »

Yeah I seen Cresseys article, its 30$ and I'm not paying that!!

No I think its one of the worst ways to train golfers, thats why I want some hard evidence on it. I work with a couple of golfers, on thursday one of my clients golf coach was doing some coaching with other golfers. He had the golfer on 2 wobble cushions performing med ball throws, then full swings. After that he got the athlete to take off their shoes and balance on a foam roller while attempting to take swings!!

I was that baffled I asked my clients does he use those exercises with them, and he does!! Meeting with him during the week and want to explain to him what he's doing while showing him evidence for relevant experts!!

Theres some free articles from him
You should be able to get hold of. Also, try searching benbruno.com
For it - he does a weekly round up of 50-100 good fitness articles from various experts and it's mentioned.

Alternatively try explaining it in the context of how we spend all our lives on our feet, and the potential for any enhanced proprioceptive awareness is limited as a result, but because of the floating nature of the scapula and how we've never really had any demands in our life outside of "training" to stabilize it, UST is suitable in that regard.

Or call a spade a spade and just tell him the other trainer's an idiot.

Banks

Hanley wrote: »

Theres some free articles from him
You should be able to get hold of. Also, try searching benbruno.com
For it - he does a weekly round up of 50-100 good fitness articles from various experts and it's mentioned.

Alternatively try explaining it in the context of how we spend all our lives on our feet, and the potential for any enhanced proprioceptive awareness is limited as a result, but because of the floating nature of the scapula and how we've never really had any demands in our life outside of "training" to stabilize it, UST is suitable in that regard.

Or call a spade a spade and just tell him the other trainer's an idiot.

Yeah I also had seen that from Bruno, gona get my membership back to strengthcoach.com, there is bound to be something on that from boyle!!

Its the golf coach thats the problem not another strength coach and I have to work with him for the foreseeable future. I dont want to come across as being smart or demeaning to him either!! I know UST can be helpful for corrective exercises and in other cases but when u pair it with swing mechanics you defeat the purpose of the exercise as it becomes upper body dominant.

Barry.Oglesby

Banks wrote: »

Hanley wrote: »

Theres some free articles from him
You should be able to get hold of. Also, try searching benbruno.com
For it - he does a weekly round up of 50-100 good fitness articles from various experts and it's mentioned.

Alternatively try explaining it in the context of how we spend all our lives on our feet, and the potential for any enhanced proprioceptive awareness is limited as a result, but because of the floating nature of the scapula and how we've never really had any demands in our life outside of "training" to stabilize it, UST is suitable in that regard.

Or call a spade a spade and just tell him the other trainer's an idiot.

Yeah I also had seen that from Bruno, gona get my membership back to strengthcoach.com, there is bound to be something on that from boyle!!

Its the golf coach thats the problem not another strength coach and I have to work with him for the foreseeable future. I dont want to come across as being smart or demeaning to him either!! I know UST can be helpful for corrective exercises and in other cases but when u pair it with swing mechanics you defeat the purpose of the exercise as it becomes upper body dominant.

Probably also **** up the guy's golf swing generally too.

If you can't dig out anything on ust Eoin just get some stuff on skills and weights in general. There's more than enough papers out there on how additional resistance interferes with motor patterns.

Actually just read back there... He has him practising his golf swing on the roller am I reading that right?

Banks

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Probably also **** up the guy's golf swing generally too.

If you can't dig out anything on ust Eoin just get some stuff on skills and weights in general. There's more than enough papers out there on how additional resistance interferes with motor patterns.

Actually just read back there... He has him practising his golf swing on the roller am I reading that right?

Thanks Barry, will search for the skills and weights influence, probably more stuff on that. If anyone out there has something on this topic let me know.

And yes the foam roller incident baffled me!!

sportinglegend

Not sure if you have seen this but a decent PDF which outline in brief some studies carried out and results.

http://media.cybexintl.com/cybexinstitute/research/Truth_on_Fit_March09.pdf

Banks

sportinglegend wrote: »

Not sure if you have seen this but a decent PDF which outline in brief some studies carried out and results.

http://media.cybexintl.com/cybexinstitute/research/Truth_on_Fit_March09.pdf

Thanks, good article.